Incoming Avalon News 8/9/2013

[Sophokles]

It tells us it's an Avalon chip.
The -Q48 is the package type. 48 lead QFN package.
Usually there are additional marking for the year and week of manufacture.

The bottom line reads PPY54013232C

manufactured in calendar week 32

edit: it is actually week 23.

[-Redacted-]

Week 32 is the week that started on August 5th, so that chip is somewhere between 18 and 25 days old.

[fasmax]

I'm saying people are citing this theory as fact, when we don't actually know what is happening at all.  The real problem at this moment is a lack of full information.  We don't know if there was a second batch or not.  What if a first batch was contracted privately before the chips were offered to group buys?  We don't know.  I'm just asking people not state as fact what they don't know.  Some people read this and assume the crazytalk is well researched analysis.  It's misleading and it isn't helpful.

Again, occam's razor.  Saying you know nothing is bullshit.  You should have at least the simpliest theory that explains it to go from.  Sadly, there's none that make sense that account for what we are seeing AND paint avalon in a good light


Why the fuck did Avalon splinter while chips were being delivered?  Custom's doesn't explain that

I have an Avalon chip that has A3256-Q48 designated on it.  Does that tell us anything?

If that is all that is printed on the chip it may have been remarked.
If that is the case and you want to try an experiment use a pencil eraser to rub the top of the chip and see if more marking are reviled under the top coat.
It might take a few minuets of rubbing to see a result.  

Edit: Never mind show have read reply before posting this.

[ecliptic]

I'm saying people are citing this theory as fact, when we don't actually know what is happening at all.  The real problem at this moment is a lack of full information.  We don't know if there was a second batch or not.  What if a first batch was contracted privately before the chips were offered to group buys?  We don't know.  I'm just asking people not state as fact what they don't know.  Some people read this and assume the crazytalk is well researched analysis.  It's misleading and it isn't helpful.

Again, occam's razor.  Saying you know nothing is bullshit.  You should have at least the simpliest theory that explains it to go from.  Sadly, there's none that make sense that account for what we are seeing AND paint avalon in a good light


Why the fuck did Avalon splinter while chips were being delivered?  Custom's doesn't explain that

I have an Avalon chip that has A3256-Q48 designated on it.  Does that tell us anything?

If that is all that is printed on the chip it may have been remarked.
If that is the case and you want to try an experiment use a pencil eraser to rub the top of the chip and see if more marking are reviled under the top coat.
It might take a few minuets of rubbing to see a result.  

Funny, doubt they would remark it if the chip says it was made CW32.  They'd actually want to cover that fact up.

Is this a sample chip with CW32 datemark?  That's pretty damning evidence right there, either they ordered them on time, and something happened to the chips, or they waited a long ass time to order.

[ProfMac]

I'm saying people are citing this theory as fact, when we don't actually know what is happening at all.  The real problem at this moment is a lack of full information.  We don't know if there was a second batch or not.  What if a first batch was contracted privately before the chips were offered to group buys?  We don't know.  I'm just asking people not state as fact what they don't know.  Some people read this and assume the crazytalk is well researched analysis.  It's misleading and it isn't helpful.

Again, occam's razor.  Saying you know nothing is bullshit.  You should have at least the simpliest theory that explains it to go from.  Sadly, there's none that make sense that account for what we are seeing AND paint avalon in a good light


Why the fuck did Avalon splinter while chips were being delivered?  Custom's doesn't explain that

I have an Avalon chip that has A3256-Q48 designated on it.  Does that tell us anything?

If that is all that is printed on the chip it may have been remarked.
If that is the case and you want to try an experiment use a pencil eraser to rub the top of the chip and see if more marking are reviled under the top coat.
It might take a few minuets of rubbing to see a result.  

Funny, doubt they would remark it if the chip says it was made CW32.  They'd actually want to cover that fact up.

Is this a sample chip with CW32 datemark?  That's pretty damning evidence right there, either they ordered them on time, and something happened to the chips, or they waited a long ass time to order.

I bought one of the modules from this event:

I plugged it in yesterday, had a little trouble with the USB not being connected, but after a few times taking it apart and putting it back again, I got it working. It ran great all last night and this morning. When I got back after a meeting, this is what I found:

I got my microscope out and read the numbers on one of the chips.  The interpretation that the chip was manufactured during week 32, and that the module I have is from Luke's damaged Avalon, says that the Avalon was in Tennessee on Wed of the week that the chips were manufactured.  This doesn't fit together tight enough for me.

[fasmax]

PPY54013232C
I think that 1323 is the date code that would mean 2013 week 23.
That would say manufactured June 3 to June 9.
 

[ProfMac]

PPY54013232C
I think that 1323 is the date code that would mean 2013 week 23.
 

That makes more sense to me.

http://www.vercalendario.info/en/print-week-23-2013.html

[Ytterbium]

PPY54013232C
I think that 1323 is the date code that would mean 2013 week 23.
 

Is there anywhere you can look up the datecode refrence?

[ProfMac]

PPY54013232C
I think that 1323 is the date code that would mean 2013 week 23.
 

Is there anywhere you can look up the datecode refrence?

I think it is in the .pdf file for the Avalon chip, but I can't find my copy right now.

[fasmax]

PPY54013232C
I think that 1323 is the date code that would mean 2013 week 23.
 

Is there anywhere you can look up the datecode refrence?

Usually the meaning of the markings on a chip are specified on the data sheet.
I looked at the Avalon sheet a few mounts ago and don't remember seeing this information.

Edit: Just looked at the data sheet and that information is there. Last 6 character's are YYWW2C So it's 2013 week 23.

[ecliptic]

Hmm, interesting.  There is one other theory I had heard, but thus far no real credible evidence for.. that Avalon was holding onto chips and "gradually" releasing them, possibly to check that PCB MFGs are legit..  If the MFG timestamps on the ASICs line up with it, that might explain it, but why would they hide this purpose?  It would tip their hand to the PCB assemblers, that they'd be that paranoid of running off with everything..?

If the chips were manufactured over 2.5 months ago, what could possibly explain them not being shipped?

[Sophokles]

Edit: Just looked at the data sheet and that information is there. Last 6 character's are YYWW2C So the it's 2013 week 23.

Yes, that is correct. I also just looked it up. Sorry about the 'week 32' misinformation.

[Ytterbium]

that Avalon was holding onto chips and "gradually" releasing them, possibly to check that PCB MFGs are legit..  

That's not their job.  Their job is to ship chips to the shipping addresses listed for the people who paid $78,000 to order chips from them.

[ecliptic]

that Avalon was holding onto chips and "gradually" releasing them, possibly to check that PCB MFGs are legit..  

That's not their job.  Their job is to ship chips to the shipping addresses listed for the people who paid $78,000 to order chips from them.

Not saying it is, just a 'wild' theory I had heard.  I don't put any faith in it.

[pixl8tr]

Edit: Just looked at the data sheet and that information is there. Last 6 character's are YYWW2C So the it's 2013 week 23.

Yes, that is correct. I also just looked it up. Sorry about the 'week 32' misinformation.

Wonder why they were sitting around for 12 weeks.    The story would make a great movie.  Mafia, Customs bribes, assassins, and thieves.    ;-)

[lemonte]

Edit: Just looked at the data sheet and that information is there. Last 6 character's are YYWW2C So the it's 2013 week 23.

Yes, that is correct. I also just looked it up. Sorry about the 'week 32' misinformation.

Wonder why they were sitting around for 12 weeks.    The story would make a great movie.  Mafia, Customs bribes, assassins, and thieves.    ;-)

Someone get Mr Chow's agent on the phone! Just warn him payment might be a bit late..

[HorseRider]

It is pretty clear that the delay is planned and intentionally.

Back in May, ccmbc, a Chinese clone manufactur, told me that the Avalon chips would be shipped in Sep. He said he had contacts inside the Avalon team. Avalon team think if they ship in Sep, the early chip buyer will not lose money. I was surprised, and asked him to deliver message to ngzhang, shipping the order on time!  the feed back is weird. they did not promise time, but "we will make the early buyer ROI"

Later, we found that ccmbc has lots of chips, it is very likely that it is from the private market created by the Avalon team. This is an evidence that ccmbc was telling the truth.

Avalon team is corrupted, untrustworth, scammy, selfish, and criminal.

[Jutarul]

It is pretty clear that the delay is planned and intentionally.
...
Avalon team is corrupted, untrustworth, scammy, selfish, and criminal.

It's hard to put your finger on intentions. What we know for sure is that the customer support has degraded massively from shipping the first units to batch 3 and the chips, and there has been no attempt to rectify the situation. This makes you wonder what the long term plan of that company is. It is unlikely that they will operate in the B2C space any further, and focus on B2B - otherwise they would try to fix their reputational damage at this stage.
They announced better tech - but given the state of affairs, it's likely not going to benefit the mining community as a whole (e.g. by offering competitively priced hardware or similar arrangements), but a chosen group of investors/entrepreneurs.

[bystander]

It is pretty clear that the delay is planned and intentionally.

Back in May, ccmbc, a Chinese clone manufactur, told me that the Avalon chips would be shipped in Sep. He said he had contacts inside the Avalon team. Avalon team think if they ship in Sep, the early chip buyer will not lose money. I was surprised, and asked him to deliver message to ngzhang, shipping the order on time!  the feed back is weird. they did not promise time, but "we will make the early buyer ROI"

Later, we found that ccmbc has lots of chips, it is very likely that it is from the private market created by the Avalon team. This is an evidence that ccmbc was telling the truth.

Avalon team is corrupted, untrustworth, scammy, selfish, and criminal.

I suspected as much when the leaked pics came out, their duplicitous and unprofessional tactics are encumbered with the stench of greed.

[Dagger75]

All these ASIC Companies make me sick!  Gotta love how they continuously dilute their preorder Investors ROI by mining w/ their "already paid for" Hardware until they milk the blockchain enough and difficulty has already doubled...then send out their dust-ridden Miners.

And just over 24 hours ago here come Bitfury!!!  Solo Mining on their own pool at 115TH/s which gives them 20%+ of this lovely Bitcoin Network. https://ghash.io/

We need to be very afraid of these ASIC Companies Mining who are already Centralizing the Bitcoin network day-by-day.  They will mine while the difficulty is low to milk what they can, then will ship out preordered chips and miners when any kind of decent ROI time for US, who mostly paid for everything they have, has past.  Then we get to worry if we'll ever even earn back what we've paid for these ASICs.  Lovely isn't it?  This is what will happen to the majority of ASIC Miner and Chip purchasers who did have "Contacts" or were able to "Buy" their place in line.

At this point in time, w/o doing any extensive research, ASICMiner and Bitfury combined are about 40% of the Entire network right now!!   

We Miners, have to stop buying in to these ridiculous preorder fiasco's and stop supporting the Companies that want to use our Money to support their Large Scale ASIC Farms under the guise that they will send our Orders ASAP when Chips arrive.  I call Bullshit after seeing what has gone on this last year or so

We Need to stop giving them our Hard-earned Money so they can NOT continue to use us to Fund Their "Get Rich with ASIC Schemes"!  I'm sure there will be people who do not agree with me but having been burned myself and seeing the frustration of so many others on here I feel we need to put a stop to this ourselves!  By Not giving them any more money!