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June 16, 2014, 09:24:13 PM
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Sorry if I'm slow here, but how can b and c both be true? Your members are charged a fee for mining BTC.

The assertion being answered was that I must be ripping people off if I don't charge an additional fee for my Bitcoin port.

The point was that we don't charge additional fees on BTC+NMC rewards.

I feel slightly better about Multipool since you have now changed your website to inform people they are paying a fee to Bitminter for mining BTC. Only one problem...you still don't have your story straight. You tell them Bitminter charges 1.5% fee. Good for Bitminter if the extra .5% is a donation, bad for your users that they are still ill-informed.

From https://www.multipool.us/help.php:
Q: What fees does this site charge?
A: This site charges a 1.5% fee on all mined blocks, except for the Bitcoin pool which has a 0% pool fee. Our upstream pool (Bitminter.com) charges 1.5% which is passed on to users. User pays network transaction fee (see below) for PPC, NVC, CGB, and CAP withdrawals, and a transaction fee for on-demand withdrawals of less than the auto pay threshold of other currencies (see table below). Auto payouts and daily payouts are always fee-free.
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June 16, 2014, 09:26:34 PM
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Sorry if I'm slow here, but how can b and c both be true? Your members are charged a fee for mining BTC.

The assertion being answered was that I must be ripping people off if I don't charge an additional fee for my Bitcoin port.

The point was that we don't charge additional fees on BTC+NMC rewards.

I feel slightly better about Multipool since you have now changed your website to inform people they are paying a fee to Bitminter for mining BTC. Only one problem...you still don't have your story straight. You tell them Bitminter charges 1.5% fee. Good for Bitminter if the extra .5% is a donation, bad for your users that they are still ill-informed.

From https://www.multipool.us/help.php:
Q: What fees does this site charge?
A: This site charges a 1.5% fee on all mined blocks, except for the Bitcoin pool which has a 0% pool fee. Our upstream pool (Bitminter.com) charges 1.5% which is passed on to users. User pays network transaction fee (see below) for PPC, NVC, CGB, and CAP withdrawals, and a transaction fee for on-demand withdrawals of less than the auto pay threshold of other currencies (see table below). Auto payouts and daily payouts are always fee-free.

I consider the extra 0.5% a fee since we're paying it in exchange for necessary perks.  Either way the end result is the same.  But I will change the wording to make it more clear.

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June 16, 2014, 10:05:29 PM
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Do you guys want to go back to the multipool thread and fight over there.  Your fighting has nothing to do with bitminter.

Now...If you dont know what the hell a multipool is then why would you point your miners there?  You guys picking his ass about switching from ghash to bitminter shows just how much to have to learn.
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June 16, 2014, 11:20:06 PM
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Was there a reason we switched pools to bitminter? I don't really mind just curious. I went back 5 pages or so and just seen talk of no blocks. So I thought I would just go ahead and ask.

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Asked and answered here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167635.msg7265722#msg7265722

Adam, you run a good pool at Multipool.  I've used it to mine various coins.  Keep up the good work.  Wasn't sure at first if you were the official Multipool when I saw you show up at Bitminter.

The concern that everyone has is with that much hash, you should be solving a block every couple of days.  Is this just a run of bad luck or some other problem?  Were your blocks solved at Ghash on par with what the average of your hash rate should be solving?

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June 17, 2014, 12:33:38 AM
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Tehnically he's not a pool / pool operator but he does seem to be trying to keep everyone happy with his "service".
Was there a reason we switched pools to bitminter? I don't really mind just curious. I went back 5 pages or so and just seen talk of no blocks. So I thought I would just go ahead and ask.

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Asked and answered here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167635.msg7265722#msg7265722

Adam, you run a good pool at Multipool.  I've used it to mine various coins.  Keep up the good work.  Wasn't sure at first if you were the official Multipool when I saw you show up at Bitminter.

The concern that everyone has is with that much hash, you should be solving a block every couple of days.  Is this just a run of bad luck or some other problem?  Were your blocks solved at Ghash on par with what the average of your hash rate should be solving?

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June 17, 2014, 12:36:34 AM
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Was there a reason we switched pools to bitminter? I don't really mind just curious. I went back 5 pages or so and just seen talk of no blocks. So I thought I would just go ahead and ask.

Steve

Asked and answered here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167635.msg7265722#msg7265722

Adam, you run a good pool at Multipool.  I've used it to mine various coins.  Keep up the good work.  Wasn't sure at first if you were the official Multipool when I saw you show up at Bitminter.

The concern that everyone has is with that much hash, you should be solving a block every couple of days.  Is this just a run of bad luck or some other problem?  Were your blocks solved at Ghash on par with what the average of your hash rate should be solving?

As I stated before, we don't solve Bitcoin blocks.  For that coin, we merely proxy stratum connections directly to the upstream pool (Currently Bitminter).  Mining at Multipool when we're on BTC is exactly the same as mining directly at Bitminter, other than having your worker name changed to ours and your shares recorded in our database for payouts.

If one of our miners happens to solve a block, the share is sent upstream just like every other share.  We've already found a Bitcoin block and multiple Namecoin blocks, which proves the software is working as designed.The upstream pool is then responsible for assembling the block and submitting it to the network.  We've already found a Bitcoin block for Bitminter and multiple Namecoin blocks, which proves the software is working as designed.  I do not have statistics on what blocks were found by us when we were proxying to ghash, as they do not publish that information.

10 days is way too short of a period for anyone to be calling 'bad luck' on a group of users with ~200TH.  If you want something to compare with, head over and take a look at https://eclipsemc.com/block_stats.php.  They have over 3x our average hashrate on Bitminter and have several times recently gone 2-3 days without finding a block.

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June 17, 2014, 12:41:15 AM
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Tehnically he's not a pool / pool operator but he does seem to be trying to keep everyone happy with his "service".

Technically, I run pools for 37 different cryptocurrencies and 4 profit-switching ports.

I see your ass cheeks moving but only smoke is coming out.

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June 17, 2014, 12:57:55 AM
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Tehnically he's not a pool / pool operator but he does seem to be trying to keep everyone happy with his "service".

Technically, I run pools for 37 different cryptocurrencies and 4 profit-switching ports.

I see your ass cheeks moving but only smoke is coming out.

I think he just meant that btc multipool is a proxy rather than a block solving pool.

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June 17, 2014, 01:03:47 AM
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Tehnically he's not a pool / pool operator but he does seem to be trying to keep everyone happy with his "service".

Technically, I run pools for 37 different cryptocurrencies and 4 profit-switching ports.

I see your ass cheeks moving but only smoke is coming out.

I think he just meant that btc multipool is a proxy rather than a block solving pool.
Pretty much so the way he replied was uncalled for when I haven't said anything about him until now.

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June 17, 2014, 03:01:47 AM
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Tehnically he's not a pool / pool operator but he does seem to be trying to keep everyone happy with his "service".

Technically, I run pools for 37 different cryptocurrencies and 4 profit-switching ports.

I see your ass cheeks moving but only smoke is coming out.

I think he just meant that btc multipool is a proxy rather than a block solving pool.

Question for you.   lets say the 'bad luck attacker' is real  as some say it is.  (Note not saying it is multi pool)   I have racked my brains on prevention ideas and I am still stuck with a solo fork for each big pool as the only way to stop him ,her ,it  dead in his tracks.

 So Any ideas on stopping 'bad luck attackers'?  other then my solo fork idea.

 I have a variation on this idea, but it involves Some kind of  auto fork hopping within a pool. 

 10 percent of a pool is auto jumped to a solo fork  and stays in place to see if it has a winner. once that 10 percent has a solo block those miners are switched back to merged mining.   then a second 10 percent is auto switched   until the whole pool has been done.     It mitigates the damage of a bad luck attack some what and still allows for  merged most of the time.

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June 17, 2014, 03:03:45 AM
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Tehnically he's not a pool / pool operator but he does seem to be trying to keep everyone happy with his "service".

Technically, I run pools for 37 different cryptocurrencies and 4 profit-switching ports.

I see your ass cheeks moving but only smoke is coming out.

I think he just meant that btc multipool is a proxy rather than a block solving pool.

Question for you.   lets say the 'bad luck attacker' is real  as some say it is.  (Note not saying it is multi pool)   I have racked my brains on prevention ideas and I am still stuck with a solo fork for each big pool as the only way to stop him ,her ,it  dead in his tracks.

 So Any ideas on stopping 'bad luck attackers'?  other then my solo fork idea



I still don't understand what you mean by a 'solo fork'?

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June 17, 2014, 03:05:14 AM
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Tehnically he's not a pool / pool operator but he does seem to be trying to keep everyone happy with his "service".

Technically, I run pools for 37 different cryptocurrencies and 4 profit-switching ports.

I see your ass cheeks moving but only smoke is coming out.

I think he just meant that btc multipool is a proxy rather than a block solving pool.

Question for you.   lets say the 'bad luck attacker' is real  as some say it is.  (Note not saying it is multi pool)   I have racked my brains on prevention ideas and I am still stuck with a solo fork for each big pool as the only way to stop him ,her ,it  dead in his tracks.

 So Any ideas on stopping 'bad luck attackers'?  other then my solo fork idea



Bad luck isn't an attack, it's just bad luck.  While it would be great if you could keep 'people with bad luck', however you define that, off your pool, and only allow the 'good luck' people on, that would kinda defeat the purpose of pooling in the first place.

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June 17, 2014, 03:14:07 AM
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Tehnically he's not a pool / pool operator but he does seem to be trying to keep everyone happy with his "service".

Technically, I run pools for 37 different cryptocurrencies and 4 profit-switching ports.

I see your ass cheeks moving but only smoke is coming out.

I think he just meant that btc multipool is a proxy rather than a block solving pool.

Question for you.   lets say the 'bad luck attacker' is real  as some say it is.  (Note not saying it is multi pool)   I have racked my brains on prevention ideas and I am still stuck with a solo fork for each big pool as the only way to stop him ,her ,it  dead in his tracks.

 So Any ideas on stopping 'bad luck attackers'?  other then my solo fork idea



I still don't understand what you mean by a 'solo fork'?

  okay   all this has been started by the idea that  btcguild and eligus where mined with bad gear causing terrible luck.

So when you go to a merged pool like bit minter, btcguild, eligus   you are told enter an address such as

stratum+tcp://mint.bitminter.com:3333 for stratum

http://mint.bitminter.com:8332 for (Gbt or Getwork)


how about

stratum+tcp://mint.bitminter.com:9999      for solo mining  along with a real btc address that you really control for payment.

this is what I mean by solo fork  . I could call it a solo server if you want.

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I still don't understand what you mean by a 'solo fork'?

 okay   all this has been started by the idea that  btcguild and eligus where mined with bad gear causing terrible luck.

So when you go to a merged pool like bit minter, btcguild, eligus   you are told enter an address such as

stratum+tcp://mint.bitminter.com:3333 for stratum

http://mint.bitminter.com:8332 for (Gbt or Getwork)


how about

stratum+tcp://mint.bitminter.com:9999      for solo mining  along with a real btc address that you really control for payment.

this is what I mean by solo fork  . I could call it a solo server if you want.


So what you mean is you want to solo mine, but do it through a pool? Why not solo mine yourself? I'm sure you could get someone to set it up for you. Better still, why not p2pool? Your variance will be much less than that of solomining.

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June 17, 2014, 03:45:01 AM
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So what you mean is you want to solo mine, but do it through a pool? Why not solo mine yourself? I'm sure you could get someone to set it up for you. Better still, why not p2pool? Your variance will be much less than that of solomining.
I could be wrong but I think phillips idea is to force people in to a solo mine situation when said person tries to connect with unfaithful gear which is putting it nicely. Not that he wants to solo mine which would just be nuts.

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June 17, 2014, 03:47:47 AM
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So what you mean is you want to solo mine, but do it through a pool? Why not solo mine yourself? I'm sure you could get someone to set it up for you. Better still, why not p2pool? Your variance will be much less than that of solomining.
I could be wrong but I think phillips idea is to force people in to a solo mine situation when said person tries to connect with unfaithful gear which is putting it nicely. Not that he wants to solo mine which would just be nuts.

If you know they're a bad actor, why not just block them?

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June 17, 2014, 03:51:36 AM
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So what you mean is you want to solo mine, but do it through a pool? Why not solo mine yourself? I'm sure you could get someone to set it up for you. Better still, why not p2pool? Your variance will be much less than that of solomining.
I could be wrong but I think phillips idea is to force people in to a solo mine situation when said person tries to connect with unfaithful gear which is putting it nicely. Not that he wants to solo mine which would just be nuts.

If you know they're a bad actor, why not just block them?
Again I could be wrong as I'm just assuming here, but it could be more of a long game. Sure it would mess with current people and ya, why not just block them. But again, if I am right it would also serve to protect the future so you wouldnt have to hunt, find and block each and every person that tries to be naughty.

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June 17, 2014, 03:53:27 AM
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So what you mean is you want to solo mine, but do it through a pool? Why not solo mine yourself? I'm sure you could get someone to set it up for you. Better still, why not p2pool? Your variance will be much less than that of solomining.
I could be wrong but I think phillips idea is to force people in to a solo mine situation when said person tries to connect with unfaithful gear which is putting it nicely. Not that he wants to solo mine which would just be nuts.

If you know they're a bad actor, why not just block them?
Again I could be wrong as I'm just assuming here, but it could be more of a long game. Sure it would mess with current people and ya, why not just block them. But again, if I am right it would also serve to protect the future so you wouldnt have to hunt, find and block each and every person that tries to be naughty.

Sorry, that's beyond me. I'd just block 'em.

Anyway, what's to stop them changing accounts and IP addresses? What's the detection heuristic?

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June 17, 2014, 03:57:21 AM
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So what you mean is you want to solo mine, but do it through a pool? Why not solo mine yourself? I'm sure you could get someone to set it up for you. Better still, why not p2pool? Your variance will be much less than that of solomining.
I could be wrong but I think phillips idea is to force people in to a solo mine situation when said person tries to connect with unfaithful gear which is putting it nicely. Not that he wants to solo mine which would just be nuts.

If you know they're a bad actor, why not just block them?
Again I could be wrong as I'm just assuming here, but it could be more of a long game. Sure it would mess with current people and ya, why not just block them. But again, if I am right it would also serve to protect the future so you wouldnt have to hunt, find and block each and every person that tries to be naughty.

If you are paying someone for their shares, it doesn't really matter where their hash is being directed (solo instances or whatever.)  If you're not paying them, they're probably going to leave.  So either way it'd be better to save everyone some time and just block them.

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June 17, 2014, 03:58:08 AM
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So what you mean is you want to solo mine, but do it through a pool? Why not solo mine yourself? I'm sure you could get someone to set it up for you. Better still, why not p2pool? Your variance will be much less than that of solomining.
I could be wrong but I think phillips idea is to force people in to a solo mine situation when said person tries to connect with unfaithful gear which is putting it nicely. Not that he wants to solo mine which would just be nuts.

If you know they're a bad actor, why not just block them?
Again I could be wrong as I'm just assuming here, but it could be more of a long game. Sure it would mess with current people and ya, why not just block them. But again, if I am right it would also serve to protect the future so you wouldnt have to hunt, find and block each and every person that tries to be naughty.

Sorry, that's beyond me. I'd just block 'em.

Anyway, what's to stop them changing accounts and IP addresses? What's the detection heuristic?
Phillip would better to answer this as well as whether my assumptions are close to anything since I was just guessing at everything.

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