Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[nexus99]

Got new order confirmation emails today for my 2 batch 1 X-1 orders.  From Minersource.

If anyone is interested they are order numbers 2265A and 2230A. Original order and payment dates were 11/28 and 11/27.

[btcminer84]

Round about 8.00000000 BTC is the sum we should have mine since March 2014 per each Prospero X3 (2.000 GH/s item).
Wow, what a big lost.

[y_boonstra]

Round about 8.00000000 BTC is the sum we should have mine since March 2014 per each Prospero X3 (2.000 GH/s item).
Wow, what a big lost.

Its more like 10+ BTC, because the new specs from Feb were 2400 GH/s !!

they delayed the product to unefficient chips, they said it was around 1W/Gh.

(how ironic isnt it)

so say bye bye to your ROI..

[ChuckBuck]

https://www.kncminer.com/news

Just gonna put that there.

In all honesty, that is pretty sweet.

3 TH/s for free($6000 value) for Neptune customers.  I guess we shall see if BA can come close to this.

[y_boonstra]

https://www.kncminer.com/news

Just gonna put that there.

http://ecointalk.net/topic/392-black-arrow-weekly-production-update/page-48#entry5135

[y_boonstra]

https://www.kncminer.com/news

Just gonna put that there.

In all honesty, that is pretty sweet.

3 TH/s for free($6000 value) for Neptune customers.  I guess we shall see if BA can come close to this.

what is the $/Gh now with KNC? dont think it will be around $ 2,97/Gh like BA's price

[ChuckBuck]

https://www.kncminer.com/news

Just gonna put that there.

In all honesty, that is pretty sweet.

3 TH/s for free($6000 value) for Neptune customers.  I guess we shall see if BA can come close to this.

what is the $/Gh now with KNC? dont think it will be around $ 2,97/Gh like BA's price

If a Neptune is $6000, isn't it $2 per GH?

https://www.kncminer.com/products/neptune-third-batch

[Adrians__]

Whats the value of a X-3 batch one order now?

8 BTC ?

[btcminer84]

Whats the value of a X-3 batch one order now?

8 BTC ?

My calculation for the next 2 years: Maybe round about 7.2 BTC per Prospero X-3 (batch 1 as 2 TH/s Miner), when it is start mining TODAY or within THIS week. EDIT: And 10.8 BTC, if you get a working 3rd unit (so it is 3 TH/s at the end)

For example: If you want to use the 3 TH/s miner anywhere in Europe, the power costs is double the price of the mining costs.
In other words: It will never ROI. They should send 2 full X-3s for compensation of the total lost. At this moment, it is better to never start the miner hardware due to the power costs.

[Syke]

In all honesty, that is pretty sweet.

3 TH/s for free($6000 value) for Neptune customers.

Not really. The extra 3 TH/s will be delivered months later.

[tempestb]

Completely depends on the final power specs which we don't have yet.

[bobsag3]

-1 last time he flew to BA UK office, the update largely consisted of being told he couldn't say anything because of NDA he had to sign! but plenty of hints of pots of gold at the end of the rainbow. So don't get your hopes up to much!

Yes, that let-down is what caused me to cancel my purchase with Minersource and involvement in the DZ group buy. It was a whole lot of bluster about getting something done, then "be patient," "he's tried from traveling," and then eventually no information came from it. As it turns out I may have not been patient enough since there were changes at BA quite a while after, but I see signs of repetition this time. As someone who has traveled internationally before, I know it can be taxing, but not so much that status updates can't be posted.

I hope you all get your updates this time and bobsag3 is able to provide something positive, or at least informative, here on the forum or (preferably also) in email to patiently waiting customers who need to be reminded every now and then that someone hasn't just run off with their money. That's the best way to keep customers loyal.

My travel to the UK is the single reason you guys now have weekly updates, and actual real information. I speant 2 days arguing and discussing how to change things form here on out, and most of the changes they made between early feb right after the delay was announced, and now, are due to the changes I recommended/forced them to make. Your disparaging comments only show how little you know about the situation. Plenty of information came from it, it just was not spoon fed to the masses.

But I guess info is all yall want, I specifically said I would not be leaving until I have a working unit in my hand, and since my travel is just a whole bunch of bluster I guess the 6k+ I spent out of my own pocket to gather information at my own expense, I might as well go home.

[sirsmokesalot]

 I guess the 6k+ I spent out of my own pocket to gather information at my own expense, I might as well go home.

You mean your own pockets, that are lined with the money from all the sales you took? Or do you do this for charity, because you just love to help people 

[bobsag3]

 I guess the 6k+ I spent out of my own pocket to gather information at my own expense, I might as well go home.

You mean your own pockets, that are lined with the money from all the sales you took? Or do you do this for charity, because you just love to help people 

I have not made a $ from this. All of my reseller % so far was spent out for refunds for customers who can verify that they have gotten refunds.

[Stedsm]

+1,don't let a-holes&trolls get to you Bobsag

[bobsag3]

 I guess the 6k+ I spent out of my own pocket to gather information at my own expense, I might as well go home.

You mean your own pockets, that are lined with the money from all the sales you took? Or do you do this for charity, because you just love to help people 

Are we really going to insult the only person fighting for us. I would bet that there wouldn't even be a compensation package if it wasn't for bobsag.  Look at his prices and BA's prices.  Do you see a big difference?  I am sure he makes a small amount on each order, but I doubt it is enough that he can throw 6k around willy nilly .  Bobsag has been straight and forward with everything, and even puts his business on the line as he is subject to US regulations, whereas BA is not.

Now I hope as much as anyone else that he is able to talk some sense into these guys, but insulting him is no way to do it.  He is our best hope of making our money back on these machines, and I for one will continue to support him, his work, and his business.

Thank you bobsag, please do not get discouraged and please continue to give us updates and fight for us.  You have proven to me that you are a good business man, and I respect that, and for that I support you as all a man has over the internet is his reputation and you sir have certainly earned a good one in my book.

Thank you.

Would you mind putting a list together for me/david/BA, something clear and concise I can bring to them today/tomorrow, rather than me slinging questions as them at random and missing out on some important ones I may miss.

[musicmaker613]

I'm sure nobody is more eager to see the end of this than Bobsag3 and the rest of the minersource gang.  I can't imagine their profit margin is anything meaningful at this point, if it even still exists.

Our individual voices can often fall on deaf ears, as was likely the case leading up to late February.  But BA can't ignore their largest reseller (and thereby, customer) when they want answers.  So yes, without Bobsag3 traveling and and having some face-time with BA, we could very well be more in the dark than we are now.  Bottom line:  Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

[bobsag3]

 I guess the 6k+ I spent out of my own pocket to gather information at my own expense, I might as well go home.

You mean your own pockets, that are lined with the money from all the sales you took? Or do you do this for charity, because you just love to help people 

Are we really going to insult the only person fighting for us. I would bet that there wouldn't even be a compensation package if it wasn't for bobsag.  Look at his prices and BA's prices.  Do you see a big difference?  I am sure he makes a small amount on each order, but I doubt it is enough that he can throw 6k around willy nilly .  Bobsag has been straight and forward with everything, and even puts his business on the line as he is subject to US regulations, whereas BA is not.

Now I hope as much as anyone else that he is able to talk some sense into these guys, but insulting him is no way to do it.  He is our best hope of making our money back on these machines, and I for one will continue to support him, his work, and his business.

Thank you bobsag, please do not get discouraged and please continue to give us updates and fight for us.  You have proven to me that you are a good business man, and I respect that, and for that I support you as all a man has over the internet is his reputation and you sir have certainly earned a good one in my book.

Thank you.

Would you mind putting a list together for me/david/BA, something clear and concise I can bring to them today/tomorrow, rather than me slinging questions as them at random and missing out on some important ones I may miss.

Yes I can, if anyone would like any questions asked please PM them to me and I will screen them and get them over to bobsag.  Thanks.

Great perfect. I PM'ed you my phone #, txt me when you have the list ready as I may or may not have forum/email access while im there.

[Stedsm]

Here s 2 unanswered questions from ecointalk

4/ If I buy a PSU from the BA store the shipping is $70,does this assume that the PSU will be installed in the comp unit,so in effect it is combined shipping for both PSU&comp unit? If not then this would seem excessive as I only paid $67 for an entire X-3.

 

5/ I opted for the 5 day free hosting,if I buy a PSU now will BA install the PSU into the comp unit and host it as well for 5 days? Then ship everything together?

[Mattster28]

 I guess the 6k+ I spent out of my own pocket to gather information at my own expense, I might as well go home.

You mean your own pockets, that are lined with the money from all the sales you took? Or do you do this for charity, because you just love to help people 

Are we really going to insult the only person fighting for us. I would bet that there wouldn't even be a compensation package if it wasn't for bobsag.  Look at his prices and BA's prices.  Do you see a big difference?  I am sure he makes a small amount on each order, but I doubt it is enough that he can throw 6k around willy nilly .  Bobsag has been straight and forward with everything, and even puts his business on the line as he is subject to US regulations, whereas BA is not.

Now I hope as much as anyone else that he is able to talk some sense into these guys, but insulting him is no way to do it.  He is our best hope of making our money back on these machines, and I for one will continue to support him, his work, and his business.

Thank you bobsag, please do not get discouraged and please continue to give us updates and fight for us.  You have proven to me that you are a good business man, and I respect that, and for that I support you as all a man has over the internet is his reputation and you sir have certainly earned a good one in my book.

That might be true, but not everyone is being compensated. The customers with only 1 x1 are not being compensated. Sorry but a coupon towards your next purchase is not compensation its more money for Black Arrow.