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[efxes]

Hey guys I just summed up the story quite well on twoplustwo and SBRforum.  [b]Here's a link to the article on cloudbetscamsDOTCOM's site:[/b] https://cloudbetscams.com/the-entire-efxes-15000-story-as-it-happened-cloudbet-scamming-again/


And here is the article explaining the entire story from first deposit of the week long run to the last 5 deposits in the same day, that I cashed out slightly less than and are owed to me and I won't accept anything less than the balance minus the negative balance and it needs to be done now.  to have this drag on while BTC is rising is criminal.  Here is the story:

I appreciate you and appreciate this feedback. I've posted about this on so many darn sites, it's hard to keep up with the entirety of the story. I need to sum it up in an article, and i will do that but since I really value SBRForum and I am legit an OG here I've been here forever and I love the place and have always loved the people we love to gamble we love to bet and talk sports. Let me go ahead and share with you every minor step of the way.


I deposited $1,300 to this site on September 17, 2020. A 1 BCH deposit, a 2 BCH deposit, and a 3 BCH deposit

1.25BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...dca4184b3c6d48

2BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...efc760583f4f03

3BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/851d956cf13da2de7cf09a1394bcaf7508a71034 4ff678329f51768902280147

I then requested a 6.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...00e49070c04d8b

and a 17.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...5e0db6bd854528



From then, I started depositing back BCH, withdrawing out BCH, and continuing a run up to the moon.

At some point I went on tilt, withdrew everything, transferred it back into BTC, and deposited back some into Nitrogen Sports and some into Cloudbet. In Cloudbet, there was a mis-grade on a BTC bet. I had about $30,000 in Cloudbet, like 3 BTC. The mis-grade was for .26. I continued betting and lost some, and cashed out 2.6 BTC.

I didn't realize the mis-grade was Benoit Paire retiring in the 2nd set was a push instead of a loss. I thought tennis is graded differently in different places so I legit thought it was normal. So I cashed out the BTC after some other bets, total of maybe 2.6 or more. I then turned it back into BCH as you can see me receiving it here:

124 BCH received from transferring back from bitcoin
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...552e26b870ce2d

I then deposit back into my account the BCH in one day, adding on and adding on and adding on to my BCH balance (not because I was losing the entire balance I was just adding on to bets that day, all in less than 8 hours I was just adding onto my balance).

Those final deposits the final day can be found here:

24 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...2f068d6200ac5c

20 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...3668434f432a83

16 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...8eb8f3b9a054b1

3 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...d5bace3f63f8aa

11 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...b10eee1f5763d3




So I deposit 74 BCH since my last cashout maybe something like that. Not sure how that went down but I may have deposited more since my last cashout but THAT DAY I deposited 74 BCH. I went to withdraw 67 BCH just a few hours later, and I noticed there was a negative balance in the BTC. I went to withdraw the 67 BCH remaining in the account looking at the negative -.26 btc balance I figured they'd just take it out of the BCH balance because it was their error they mis-graded the Benoit Paire match after all with the retire in the 2nd set.

Then I receive this:

Hi,

We hope this email finds you well. To uphold high-security standards we kindly request you to send in documents to validate your identity. These security checks have to be done to guarantee the right level of security for both parties involved.

As a part of this security check, we kindly ask you to respond to this e-mail enclosing the following documents.

1) Verify your identity
Provide a digital photograph or scanned colour copy of your government–issued ID card, driving licence or passport that clearly displays:
-Document number (licence number, passport number), your full name and date of birth.
-No black/blurred portions (all details must be in focus)
-All four corners of the document (ie. no cropping)
-Expiry date that has not passed
-Front and back of the licence

2) Verify your address
Provide one digital photograph of a paper utility bill or paper bank/credit-card statement that has been received through the post clearly displaying:
-Your name and address
-An issue date within the last 3 months
-All four corners of the bill/statement (i.e. no cropping)
Acceptable utility bill statements include landline phone (mobile bills are not acceptable), heating, water, electricity, and municipal government correspondence where address and name are shown is also accepted. eg. a letter from your local tax office, police or registry office.

3) A photograph of yourself holding your identification document, as well as a piece of paper that says "Cloudbet" with today's date on it.
Please ensure the photograph is not blurry and clearly shows both documents.

We assure you that we will treat all this information confidentially and it is only for internal use. Once we have received the documents you will not be requested to send the same ones again while they remain valid.

Should you need further assistance regarding this request then please keep the original information of this e-mail when responding to us.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

--

Cloudbet security




Then I send in a ton of documents, using my USA permanent residency I sent in an expired internet bill since I haven't been back there in months and have been in Mexico is the story. Regardless, I deposited 74 BCH and they think I was stealing because of their stupid BTC error, I even deposited $20,000 after they mis-graded the wager, what the heck is wrong with them? Then they sent me this:

I contacted Cloudbet account on Bitcointalk where they have prominent marketing in the bitcoin space where they tend to gain a lot of credibility so they can steal bitcoin and other crypto from the community countless times over. Here's what Cloudbet had to say on bitcointalk personal message:

Hello there, efxes,

I'm sorry to hear, that you've been having some difficulties with your account.

I have followed up on the matter with the Sports and Player Safety team now, and I can provide you with accurate information now.

The relevant team confirm, that the negative balance on your account was due to some bets that were graded as pushed incorrectly although they should have been settled as losses.

Once the bets were graded, you have withdrawn the funds that were incorrectly credited to you, thus the balance became negative as soon as these bets have been regraded accordingly.

Regardless of the negative BTC balance, you continued playing on our website using BCH, without informing our support team or crediting the funds back to your account, thus documentation was requested to verify the account.

Our Player Safety team confirmed, that they have verified your account and emailed you accordingly now, but I'm afraid as you have breached our Terms & Conditions by registering from a prohibited jurisdiction, you will not be able to continue playing on the site in the future.

In this particular email, you are stating that you've also had an account created before you started using this specific account, which means you have breached not one, but two of our terms, thus your account must remain closed, unfortunately.

Thanks for your understanding.

Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Best regards,
Team Cloudbet




So there you have it. As for the other account it's not true. They love to pull that card. I said I might have had an account a few years ago trying out the site but I couldn't remember the email.

They just want to steal the money.

For people coming into the thread, I got freerolled for $20,000 when they did not immediately freeze my account but they selectively froze my account.  I deposited $20,000 and they are taking not only the winnings but the deposit as well.  Even if they want to try and prove that I was in the USA which is a long drawn out process that I don't feel like partaking in, I've provided whatever they need to verify my whereabouts.  They are choosing to freeroll a USA bettor as they do to thousands of other USA bettors who don't cash out. 

Cloudbet is up crap's creek and needs to do a lot of soul searching to figure out how to rectify this situation and change as human beings.

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[efxes]

By the way Red Apples and cloudbet, I"m eating you alive in this case.  Absolutely crushing you.

You have employees who rely on you for their FAMILIES.  You're making a mockery out of your entire company.  It's tragic.

[efxes]

Hey look, I found another social media account from Cloudbet soliciting deposits from rest of world customers outside of USA and UK.

OH WAIT,

https://www.instagram.com/cloudbet.us/?hl=en

cloudbet.us... wait, waht?  cloudbet DOT us?  like USA?  Still phishing for USA players to freeroll and not even return deposits?  Just accept USA deposits and pay out until they win too much and then confiscate the deposits?  



Return the money. Now.  You have played your hand very badly.

[RedApples]

For people coming into the thread, I got freerolled for $20,000 when they did not immediately freeze my account but they selectively froze my account.  I deposited $20,000 and they are taking not only the winnings but the deposit as well.  Even if they want to try and prove that I was in the USA which is a long drawn out process that I don't feel like partaking in, I've provided whatever they need to verify my whereabouts.  They are choosing to freeroll a USA bettor as they do to thousands of other USA bettors who don't cash out.  

Cloudbet is up crap's creek and needs to do a lot of soul searching to figure out how to rectify this situation and change as human beings.

Then theres no problem then! Wait to hear back from them about said proof. Or share it with the mods or an independent panel in the meantime to see if it actually suffices. But as far as this new revelation goes, why now would you amp up your smear campaign over the past week. You're just making up a story that makes you seem innocent, which you've done now in a different manner for the umpteenth time, while demanding you get paid with threats.

If you have proof, you have nothing to worry about. Stop all of the attacks. You will get paid back in a legitimate fashioin. I'm not sure what Bitcointalk will tolerate as far as abuse goes, but I saw posters here (I think maybe mods) willing to help moderate the issue with verifying the proof that you were in Mexico. You said you were willing to do this, and then never did. Shocker.

You can't just say you sent documents that you felt are necessary enough, and that your friend who is aggressively smearing Cloudbet on your behalf knows about it. You got caught VPN'ing from the States. This much is clear as it gets. Crystal clear.

& lol at it being a long drawn out process for them to prove that you were in the USA, so you 'don't want to partake in that'. Just allow them to release the information. What you think they gotta solve some impossible equation? If they don't provide proof quickly I'm pretty sure everyone will side with you. You just say the most absurd stuff.

[efxes]

Whether I was caught or not, shouldn't matter.  I have told you and provided evidence that I have been in Mexico.  I don't want to keep sending documents out to the world.  I would hope Cloudbet would respect my privacy.  I have already given my name out to so many people.  I have been in the community for a long time in bitcoin and I could tell people who I am, but I don't feel it would benefit me in any way because I have a life outside of gambling even though I'm so sharp that books want to limit and steal from me at this point.

What matters is that I am paid back the deposits.  the 67 BCH account balance is less than the deposits.  It's two cashouts of 34 BCH and 33 BCH.  You guys have cashed me out 360 BCH and i've deposited 360 BCH in that ball park.  So what changes now that you can just steal my last deposits and freeroll me, waiting until I don't lose and request a cashout?


The argument is not whether I was in the USA or not.  The argument is why is Cloudbet ruining their reputation by not returning the last deposits of an accused USA bettor?

[RedApples]

Whether I was caught or not, shouldn't matter.  I have told you and provided evidence that I have been in Mexico.  I don't want to keep sending documents out to the world.  I would hope Cloudbet would respect my privacy.  I have already given my name out to so many people.  I have been in the community for a long time in bitcoin and I could tell people who I am, but I don't feel it would benefit me in any way because I have a life outside of gambling even though I'm so sharp that books want to limit and steal from me at this point.

What matters is that I am paid back the deposits.  the 67 BCH account balance is less than the deposits.  It's two cashouts of 34 BCH and 33 BCH.  You guys have cashed me out 360 BCH and i've deposited 360 BCH in that ball park.  So what changes now that you can just steal my last deposits and freeroll me, waiting until I don't lose and request a cashout?


The argument is not whether I was in the USA or not.  

For starters, you didn't send out any documents to the world. Not once. Cloudbet is respecting your privacy. You said you were willing to interact with users here to verify what you were saying previously, yet you did not do it. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5277995.msg55261202#msg55261202

Allow them to prove that you were VPN'ing from the States. Thats all you have to do. That wont' be any sort of privacy breach. So what if they show IP addresses from the States that confirm where you were on the dates in question. Per your statements you were in Mexico using a VPN that would 'accidentally' switch over to USA. You asked us if were familiar with that sort of situation.

You are so sharp, that you lied about all of these different things along the way. I just proved one a page back where you said that Cloudbet was using 'playing the card' against you, by saying you had multiple accounts, where you said you never said that, but that you might have had an account in the past... yet your first attempt to get the money back from them you said very clearly that you lost a lot of money to them over the years but didn't have your old logins. You're also so sharp, that you kept asking 'what can I do guys?", then acting like you were so fragile and you couldn't take it, and you didn't know how to get information to prove your whereabouts. Now, you're so sharp that you literally know every angle in that book. Sadly, still haven't came up with a single story that makes ANY sense. It is either a lie, a contradiction of something you've already said, or information that can be completely thrown out as irrelevant.

Please anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about at this point please read this thread beginning to end.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen.html

No idea how this guy can still continually be allowed to make up these stories and attacks against Cloudbet. He tried the soft and fragile approach now and it's all fallen apart and its all out attack mode, since everything he said turned out to be a lie.  

[efxes]

Cloudbet last login since forever, coincidence that it lines up with RedApples creating an account shortly after?  I think not.  It gets deeper just return the money cloudbet.  My time is more valuable than this.

hi cloudbet

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RedApples = Cloudbet

[BTCGOLD]

RedApples, why are you defending Cloudbet? They have scammed so many people and in this case they are also wrong. I can only imagine that somebody will make posts like you, if you have a interest in this situation.
And then I come to the conclusion that somehow you are connected to Cloudbet. Or do I miss something?

[RedApples]

RedApples, why are you defending Cloudbet? They have scammed so many people and in this case they are also wrong. I can only imagine that somebody will make posts like you, if you have a interest in this situation.
And then I come to the conclusion that somehow you are connected to Cloudbet. Or do I miss something?

This guy came to a site I frequent called Sportsbook review. I've posted on there for a couple years or so now. I have never made a single post about Cloudbet. I didn't even have any idea of what Cloudbet was before this case. I genuinely offer my time when I see people get scammed, and see if I can help them out. I tried to in this case also. When I saw it was going the other way, I vocalized the point, and then got met with aggression by efxes (DoubleRedDragon), undermining everything I was saying and writing it off stating that I must work for Cloudbet. It was such an egregious reach. Here I was sharing my personal stories and details, trying to help him get paid, and I have this guy who was so clearly at this point out to scam a book by being unfair to anyone in his path, that I became someone who felt that it was necessary to stand up against the fraud taking place. The fraud here is by efexes. I don't know what Cloudbet has done, I haven't read the various stories. But I tend to call a spade a spade and stand up for doing the right thing where its necessary. Is it the right thing to be standing up for a site that might have wronged other players? Not sure, if the situation where they were was put infront of me and the chance to denigrate them I might. I certainly wouldn't stand up for them. This isn't me defending Cloudbet, its me showing that someone is lying in their case against them and trying to defraud them, and wasting the communities time by feeding us lies and bs.

What you are missing, is you are connecting the wrong straws. Thinking that simply because someone doesn't have a personal gain in a scenario that they can't stand up for doing what is right. You can read the thread, that I've linked a few times now, and at that point you won't have missed anything and it will make a lot more sense. You can also read my post history there, and it will make even more sense.

[efxes]

Cloudbet last login since forever, coincidence that it lines up with RedApples creating an account shortly after?  I think not.  It gets deeper just return the money cloudbet.  My time is more valuable than this.

oh hai there again cloudbet.  looks like we found our owner.  i'm also interested in your IP's good sir.  mind sharing?

[efxes]

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3600843-need-help-betcoin-ag-industry-feedback-appreciated.html#post29429714
This is a post RedApples made bashing Betcoin for their policies.  So what changed with Cloudbet?  Looks like a competitor to me.


You're not very slick are you, Cloudbet.  Go start another scambook this one is ruined.

[efxes]

This isn't a joke.  This is my deposit address, I want the money I deposited to your site back in this address NOW.  
bitcoincash:qzv3tckrxlqu7fx5pywl34xvrvwe4ps0zy754zgsua

You are playing with my time, and everyone else's.  The community does not need to see this immaturity from a big company like yours.

From above post to quote YOU talking about Betcoin, your competitor:



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"...all money in the account will evaporate, is that simply 'within their rules' and not stealing?  Surely it would still be stealing.  It's too gross and abusive and predatory" -red apples
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So you know what you do to people scamming the USA bitcoin community and you continue to do it because you get off on it.  Hmm, really awesome.  You must have so much deep love for yourself.  Such a stand-up operator.  cloudbetscamsDOTCOM is totally in the right for wanting expose you to protect the community we all enjoy and respect.

[RedApples]

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3600843-need-help-betcoin-ag-industry-feedback-appreciated.html#post29429714
This is a post RedApples made bashing Betcoin for their policies.  So what changed with Cloudbet?  Looks like a competitor to me.
https://i.imgur.com/P6SaMB3.png

You're not very slick are you, Cloudbet.  Go start another scambook this one is ruined.

If anyone wanted to check my post history, they could see the only sites I ever talk about personally having used in the past few years are BetOnline, 5Dimes. Thats it. Strongly condemning 5Dimes and strongly supporting BetOnline. Never once referenced Cloudbet. Seems weird for an owner. I'm sure you saw that, or you'd have quoted it by now.

So I can't advocate for players to get paid by books where the rules are predatory and simply out to scam? Because you are scamming a site with rules that are clearly outlined, not predatory, and governed by agreements that sites have made with regulatory bodies going back a decade?

If you could read, as I've stated a thousand times over, and was very clear in the other thread and this one as well, in this case I would hope that a player would get paid even while playing on a VPN in the States. The issue was always whether or not you have a CASE against getting paid. I tried to help you with your case per the details you gave me. You asked for help and I spent the time to offer it to you. You were proven not to have a case after you lied continuously. All I'm doing now is pointing out how much you're lying, how abusive you're being towards the site, and me, and anyone who argues against you.

You agreed with the rules and understood them from day one. That is why you were making up the lies about the accounts you've had, the money you've lost, the locations you were in. Now, you are coming from literally all angles lying non stop.

[efxes]

Cloudbet last login since forever, coincidence that it lines up with RedApples creating an account shortly after?  I think not.  It gets deeper just return the money cloudbet.  My time is more valuable than this.

omgerd hai again cloudbet so good to see you.  btw where's my deposits you stole?  please, asking nicely.  send the money back. 

[efxes]

He also seems to be an expert on sportsbook laws and federal crimes in the USA and world gambling law.



Quite the expert in gambling law eh my man?  just pay the money, make this all stop.  please.  that's all i ask.


https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-talk/3622916-there-any-legitimate-honest-trustworthy-offshore-sportsbooks-out-there-now.html#post29742496

pay me what i deposited.  just pay it.  Mr. owner of Cloudbet

Red Apples = Owner of Cloudbet

[efxes]

He's also an expert in running a sportsbook, talking about automatic grading, clicking a button to grade bets, and you won't even believe this:

turning scams into profitable marketing opportunities

[efxes]

Remember how obsessed Cloudbet is with betting odds for USA politics and how obsessed they are in general with USA politics?  You won't find a shortage of Red Apples political posts either!  Dude is obviously jealous AF of USA citizens and likely scared AF about the feds.  Expert in all of it.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/politics-economics/3131459-donald-trumps-us-president-odds-improving-p2101.html#post29303352

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Buddy the gig is up.  I'm just waiting to get paid.

CloudbetscamsDOTCOM just told me site is going back up today.  He also said this isn't going to stop even if Efxes gets paid.  Cloudbet's history of scamming will be there for the world to see on the first page of google.  It's over for you guys.

Let me know when you want my wallet address to refund my deposits.

I appreciate your efforts but do you think it will be worth in the end ? Even if you post the full history of cloudbet scam all over the internet, they may still not return your money. You can only post this all over the internet, discourage people from using the site or blackmail them but sadly you cannot sue them in the court and cannot force them to pay you.

[efxes]

I need the deposits back.  I'm destitute, broke.  Cloudbet broke me.  I need the money because I don't have any.  I'm broke.  I need it back, it's unfair what they are doing, they stole from not just me but from the community.  

I'm not the one with the website, I just have given my info and story to him, he's been helping me.  I think he'll continue on after this to make sure more people are paid and also stopping people from being scammed by this site that will never ever change their ways.

Cloudbet: I am advising you to get in touch with SBRforums immediately in order to have my rep Brad work with you in order to get me paid. Let's get this done. SBR are my boys they know what to do, they side with books but also with players let's please do what we can to get this done. You have insulted Sportsbookreview by not responding to the requests to talk to senior management.