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[efxes]

I'm almost positive this is the guy who owns cloudbet.  He's tracking the stuff down all over the web and freaking the F out.  His busines is going down in flames.
Sorry to link this thread over at the other site but it's very relevant.  These guys are the worst type of scum on earth, fighting to steal money from the community.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p4.html




Bitcointalk, I will be back in 48 hours once this thing settles.  I need a break for the sake of my sanity.  Never going to let this rest until I'm paid or they stop accepting deposits.  One of the two.

[johhnyUA]

3. In accordance with our T&Cs, in these situations we reserve the right to void all bets and return their account balance, up to the sum of their deposits. Furthermore, we reserve the right to confiscate funds in certain cases (such as repeat offenders). We did not confiscate any funds in this case, but instead voided all bets.

4. In this particular case, the customer has already withdrawn more than the sum of their deposits and accordingly we consider the matter closed. If the player offers their consent, we can gladly share transaction hashes of all relevant transactions.

5. Additionally, the player is sharing information and making claims in public web forums (such as this one) that they know to be untrue. For example, the player claims they have provided us with address proof outside of the USA which is untrue. The player has also made other untrue claims - such as the size of their deposits.

In fact, very close situation for the Livecoin case (despite the fact that there user also was enough stupid). As i remember, Livecoin also froze money of their customer (izoomrood as i remember) due to "offense to service" and so on. In one hand, this is pitty (the same logic i i followed then) but from the other hand - it's their ToS and you should read it before using any service. I do not protect them, but at least you should know that you're in a high risk with such ToS.

You should return money to efxes, with no doubts. "Offense" on the internet forum is no cause to block someone.

[efxes]

Hello, is it possible to please pay me back the money that was in the account that I deposited that day?  Usually you pay back the account balance minus any winnings since the account was last zero'd out.

Is that not the case now?  Cloudbet?

I can't take 48 hours off.  You took my entire livelihood from me.  This isn't a joke.  This isn't going away.

[TwitchySeal]

Hello, is it possible to please pay me back the money that was in the account that I deposited that day?  Usually you pay back the account balance minus any winnings since the account was last zero'd out.

Is that not the case now?  Cloudbet?

I can't take 48 hours off.  You took my entire livelihood from me.  This isn't a joke.  This isn't going away.

You should take a break for a bit.  This is going to be a long process and your chances aren't very good - constant posting will not help - in fact it might hurt.

Mentally the money should be written off as a loss.

[OcTradism]

You should take a break for a bit.  This is going to be a long process and your chances aren't very good - constant posting will not help - in fact it might hurt.

Mentally the money should be written off as a loss.

It is.

efxes,

You can not break ToS and try to attack a casino constantly. You can blame on vague, shady ToS but the rule you broke is written in ToS.

The action to pull the KYC card can be taken into consideration but the case is opened, and it takes time to be resolved. exfes, you have reasons to say Cloudbet is scam but Cloudbet has their reasons to say you broke their ToS.

If you want to take your money back, you need to cool down and wait for final decisions.

If you already gave them from emails, support tickets, on the forum and other websites, youtube, other forums all evidence you have, it is time to de-escalate. Keep increase escalations won't help you. It is a weekend too and Cloudbet often is offline in weekends.

6. We continue to have a duty of privacy to the player, so cannot publish information we have that directly contradicts their claims without the player's explicit consent. We can, however, share this with our regulator, or an arbiter with the player's consent. Additionally, if the player would like to consent to us sharing this information with select senior members of the community, we would be happy to do so.

You can choose to do it better as Cloudbet stated their willingness to resolve the case. Make your request to open a secret group of senior members in gambling (with you and Cloudbet too). Evidence from you and Cloudbet will be shared in that group and there will be Non-disclousure agreements for the group's joiners.

Think of it. Think of mediators.

neymarjr12 and Sportsbet.io case
At the end of that dispute, this is important reminder

We would urge gamblers to read and comply with the terms of gambling sites and not use sites that have conditions they find unfavorable to their gambling preferences. This mediation process should be seen as a rare exception and not as a routine dispute resolution process. Gamble responsibly.

Good luck.

There's no discussion.  I want my money back.

Read again, please.

[efxes]

There's no discussion.  I want my money back.

Also to the above poster, tell me what rule have I broken? 

Again: There is no discussion.  I want my money back. Now. 

[efxes]

I will not negotiate, I will not discuss.

I will supply my wallet address.  

[virasog]

There's no discussion.  I want my money back.

Also to the above poster, tell me what rule have I broken? 

Again: There is no discussion.  I want my money back. Now. 

Do you think that by screaming and shouting , they will return your money ? You should be polite and give them some time so that they may think positive about your case.
If they do not respond you or do not pay you back, what harm can you do to them ? Nothing 

[RedApples]

There's no discussion.  I want my money back.

Also to the above poster, tell me what rule have I broken? 

Again: There is no discussion.  I want my money back. Now. 

Do you think that by screaming and shouting , they will return your money ? You should be polite and give them some time so that they may think positive about your case.
If they do not respond you or do not pay you back, what harm can you do to them ? Nothing 

Very surprised with the leeway he is receiving here. He has lied a countless amount of times. Changing his story at every turn. Cloudbet gives him a response that is fair and even gives him an avenue to getting paid. Instead of responding to that post directly here to discredit it (because he couldn't for reasons below), he went to SBR and made this post: https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p3.html#post29772515

At the bottom of the post he attempts to discredit and smear Cloudbet with a lie:
"So there you have it. As for the other account it's not true. They love to pull that card. I said I might have had an account a few years ago trying out the site but I couldn't remember the email.

They just want to steal the money., "

stated in response to a previous email where they said:

"In this particular email, you are stating that you've also had an account created before you started using this specific account, which means you have breached not one, but two of our terms, thus your account must remain closed, unfortunately."

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But on September 23rd he said this here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333552.msg55251268#msg55251268
"I just sent in all my verifying documents.  I could really really use the funds and I really like the site.  I've lost a lot of money to you guys, like a lot of BTC over the years, I just forget what my old logins are.  and I mean a LOT of bitcoin lol.  But i still keep coming back."


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Feel free to read the entire thread at SBR. It's only 4 pages. We tried to help him from the very beginning.. and slowly but surely it turned out he was lying and then flew off the handlebars and launching an all-out smear campaign.

[Slow death]

[...]

have you ever seen a casino accept someone's deposit and that person loses all money in the casino and the casino comes to complain that the person broke TOS because he created an account in a country like the USA and return the person's deposit? have you seen this happen? and if you have seen it happen then please post this case on this forum. you have to stop this from always resorting to TOS whenever someone wins something and wants to withdraw, because they do not do due diligence when the person makes a deposit and if in case the person has broken the TOS they would immediately return the deposit, they leave make a deposit and let the person play and only if wins, start searching for the person and at the end the gold mine enters: "TOS". this problem would have been solved a long time ago with the return of $ 15,000, it is not okay to let someone beg on a forum for their money to be returned

[efxes]

Again, guys. Cloudbet obviously wants this argument to be whether or not I was in the USA or Mexico. It plays in their favor. Red Apples is so blatant in having some sort of financial gain in me not being paid or smushing my power to speak up against Cloudbet.

But in the end, USA or not doesn't matter. Because I should be at least owed the decency of being returned my last deposits. Not freerolled.

Again: I should at least have the decency of being returned my last deposits on the account, and not freerolled- so return the account balance now.

https://youtu.be/ZudyN1Q8dbo?t=35

[efxes]

Cloudbet last login since forever, coincidence that it lines up with RedApples creating an account shortly after?  I think not.  It gets deeper just return the money cloudbet.  My time is more valuable than this.

[RedApples]

Again, guys. Cloudbet obviously wants this argument to be whether or not I was in the USA or Mexico. It plays in their favor. Red Apples is so blatant in having some sort of financial gain in me not being paid or smushing my power to speak up against Cloudbet.

But in the end, USA or not doesn't matter. Because I should be at least owed the decency of being returned my last deposits. Not freerolled.

Again: I should at least have the decency of being returned my last deposits on the account, and not freerolled- so return the account balance now.

https://youtu.be/ZudyN1Q8dbo?t=35

Ummm, the argument is whether or not you were in the USA or Mexico. That's the only thing that matters. These sites have been under the same rules for the past decade. As I posted on the other site, anyone can read my past history with Pokerstars.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen.html#post29736687

You continually lie and make up stories. I've quoted you many times already to point out the lies you've constructed to attack Cloudbet. Anyone can see it by reading the thread I just posted here.

You've been given countless opportunities to prove the most basic of details. You're the one who brought up AirBnB stays. Then landlord stuff. Then your landlord writes in Spanish. You came asking for help, acting like you didn't know how to get the most basic of details. Now since it all proved to be something you were unwilling to do, because you can't, now it doesn't matter, and I own Cloudbet, everyone against you is a shill, and the only thing that matters is you getting paid, at all costs. The cost here is you making up story after story and painting an unfair picture. You're up on them lifetime, and they continued to pay you out. Why would they ever have done that in the first place if they were simply just waiting for you to deposit to steal from you? There had to be a point in time in which you were figured out, and that triggered the review. Who knows when they detected you? Allow them to share the information they have to make it public so we can actually see. You want no fairness. You just want to lie at every turn to try to extort money from Cloudbet.

For what its worth, I'm willing to prove that I have no affiliation with Cloudbet, which seems to be the most laughable scenario possible. If there is a body that oversees this site I'd be more than willing to share with them sensitive information that proves who I am, and that I certainly have nothing to gain. As if that matters anyways. I've only stated clear indisputable facts, based on showing your words and your actions, and the past actions of other actors in similar scenarios. I'm making no assumptions, save for the fact that your story wasn't adding up from the start and that raised suspicion which turned out to be fact. You calling me out for 'owning Cloudbet', just goes to show how silly your reaches are and how little anything you have said even means, and shows your lack of concern for other parties actually are.

You decided to attempt to extort from Cloudbet, and I was just a guy on a website that saw it and am pointing it out. If you can directly refute my statements, go ahead and do so. It's pretty hard to refute your own statements and actions so maybe this is your only course of action. As stated weeks ago now, you should probably just give up.

[efxes]

Buddy the gig is up.  I'm just waiting to get paid.

CloudbetscamsDOTCOM just told me site is going back up today.  He also said this isn't going to stop even if Efxes gets paid.  Cloudbet's history of scamming will be there for the world to see on the first page of google.  It's over for you guys.

Let me know when you want my wallet address to refund my deposits.

[RedApples]

Buddy the gig is up.  I'm just waiting to get paid.

CloudbetscamsDOTCOM just told me site is going back up today.  He also said this isn't going to stop even if Efxes gets paid.  Cloudbet's history of scamming will be there for the world to see on the first page of google.  It's over for you guys.

Let me know when you want my wallet address to refund my deposits.

Great, so another one of your other accounts that made this website to extort Cloudbet. This is so uncool. If anyone wants a clear picture of what he is doing, click the link in my previous post. Read the thread start to finish. It is very sad... I and others were trying to help him get paid. But he turned out to be a flagrant liar and has built an entire smear campaign. It's all in the thread. Mods, please review that thread start to finish, and decide what you will. It's only 4 pages, and makes for a rather quick read. 

[RedApples]

That's great. Hopefully you will actually fight legitimate cases and get them paid. To this point, all of your posts have been vocal about efxes. Anyone can go look at your post history and see you spamming his case only, describing it the same way he is, making up the same lies that he was, and you getting tangled up in them too:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5279500.msg55299477#msg55299477

1. if he submitted appropriate proof of being in Mexico during the dates, which is so easy to do, then guess what,
#2 doesn't matter.

People have offered this up to him for WEEKS. You stating he's done it is as silly as him saying he was down there renting AirBnBs (1st statement for renting) but avoided all talk of providing those details when pressed for it; said it didn't matter. Now you know he's submitted 'appropriate proof'. (lol)

Reading your post history says everything you need to know about your actual goal here, and its furthering a smear against CloudBet. Sad that this is actually allowed to go on.

If you were legitimate then you wouldn't have to be as blatant and over the top as you are. Make the site, outline details, and spread the details. You are just as demanding as efxes (likely are the same person), simply trying to extort them. You've threatened them from every angle now, as did the YouTube account. As did efxes and the YouTube account did citing the Medium accounts.

Anyone who has not see the thread on SportsBookReview, please click the link in my post 2 posts previous to this. Read it front to end. There are people who need to be stopped here, and its efxes and this smear campaign. I'm all for a site outlining and exposing fraud. I'm definitely not for threatening sites with slander and aggression, especially when its not even rightfully owed in the first place.

[efxes]

I sent in as per Mexico:
Financial Statements with my Mexico address, received via mail
Handwritten letter from my landlord with the rented address
Payment statements to my landlord in Mexico along with that note
A receipt for a week I recently paid in an AirBnB like situation in Mexico.


I shouldn't have to provide more than that.  If so, please tell me what else.  I shouldn't have to deal with all this, I've sent in enough documents to impersonate me a gazillion times over.  You're fraudsters, you're scammers, you're the lowest of the low, Cloudbet.  I have no problem giving cloudbetscamsDOTCOM any information he needs on MY scam accusation against you.  I just am starting to get concerned that you're in a bit too deep on this one.

It's obvious that you work for the site.  so with that, i'm done arguing.  I'm just going to come after Cloudbet for the money.  Until then, good luck trying to tell me off.  Seriously good luck.  You need it with how sharp I am at betting against you guys!!

Pay me the deposits I made, and I'll try and talk cloudbetscamsDOTCOM out of trying to prevent people from depositing to your site.

[RedApples]

I sent in as per Mexico:
Financial Statements with my Mexico address, received via mail
Handwritten letter from my landlord with the rented address
Payment statements to my landlord in Mexico along with that note
A receipt for a week I recently paid in an AirBnB like situation in Mexico.


I shouldn't have to provide more than that.  If so, please tell me what else.  I shouldn't have to deal with all this, I've sent in enough documents to impersonate me a gazillion times over.  You're fraudsters, you're scammers, you're the lowest of the low, Cloudbet.  I have no problem giving cloudbetscamsDOTCOM any information he needs on MY scam accusation against you.  I just am starting to get concerned that you're in a bit too deep on this one.

It's obvious that you work for the site.  so with that, i'm done arguing.  I'm just going to come after Cloudbet for the money.  Until then, good luck trying to tell me off.  Seriously good luck.  You need it with how sharp I am at betting against you guys!!

Pay me the deposits I made, and I'll try and talk cloudbetscamsDOTCOM out of trying to prevent people from depositing to your site.

Just continually dodging and being dramatic.

You have login details that prove you were in the USA. Cloudbet says they can prove that you were in the USA when playing on Cloudbet. What good does a 'handwritten letter' do? What good does a 'receipt for a week recently in Mexico' do?

Anyone can go back the previous weeks and see what you've written on the topic. You said you go down to Mexico to play and rent AirBnBs. Then it turned into your landlord. Then you didn't know what or how to prove that you were in Mexico. You actually said all of these dumb things, just as you're saying dumb things now. All you need to do is prove that you were in Mexico during the times that Cloudbet says you weren't! It's so easy to hash this out. YOU NEED TO PROVE THAT.

Otherwise, you weren't. And you have no case! Which is the angle you've been fighting for the past week before I made it into this thread to curb some of your blatant lies and attempts to strong arm Cloudbet into paying you.

I'm happy at least some of the people in here will now see what is going on, and more of them will hopefully go to Sportsbookreview to see the entire context. You and this other guy making up the most insane scenarios. I own Cloudbet... the website guy saying that the website is being hacked, hacked by Cloudbet.

You've literally shot from every angle possible and been as little forthright as someone could possibly be.

I'm also going to sit back a little bit and see how this plays out. I wish all players would get paid no matter what, but I wish even more that people doing what you are doing don't get away with it. This is criminal.

[efxes]

I'm almost positive this is the guy who owns cloudbet.  He's tracking the stuff down all over the web and freaking the F out.  His busines is going down in flames.
Sorry to link this thread over at the other site but it's very relevant.  These guys are the worst type of scum on earth, fighting to steal money from the community.
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3622234-cloudbet-confiscated-15-000-due-providing-verification-documents-usa-citizen-p4.html




Bitcointalk, I will be back in 48 hours once this thing settles.  I need a break for the sake of my sanity.  Never going to let this rest until I'm paid or they stop accepting deposits.  One of the two.

this guy obviously is, as expected, a site owner coming in to defend anonymously and smear who they steal from.

Return the deposits.  It's the only right thing to do.

[efxes]

Hey guys I just summed up the story quite well on twoplustwo and SBRforum.  [b]Here's a link to the article on cloudbetscamsDOTCOM's site:[/b] https://cloudbetscams.com/the-entire-efxes-15000-story-as-it-happened-cloudbet-scamming-again/


And here is the article explaining the entire story from first deposit of the week long run to the last 5 deposits in the same day, that I cashed out slightly less than and are owed to me and I won't accept anything less than the balance minus the negative balance and it needs to be done now.  to have this drag on while BTC is rising is criminal.  Here is the story:

I appreciate you and appreciate this feedback. I've posted about this on so many darn sites, it's hard to keep up with the entirety of the story. I need to sum it up in an article, and i will do that but since I really value SBRForum and I am legit an OG here I've been here forever and I love the place and have always loved the people we love to gamble we love to bet and talk sports. Let me go ahead and share with you every minor step of the way.


I deposited $1,300 to this site on September 17, 2020. A 1 BCH deposit, a 2 BCH deposit, and a 3 BCH deposit

1.25BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...dca4184b3c6d48

2BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...efc760583f4f03

3BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/transaction/851d956cf13da2de7cf09a1394bcaf7508a71034 4ff678329f51768902280147

I then requested a 6.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...00e49070c04d8b

and a 17.7 BCH cashout
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...5e0db6bd854528



From then, I started depositing back BCH, withdrawing out BCH, and continuing a run up to the moon.

At some point I went on tilt, withdrew everything, transferred it back into BTC, and deposited back some into Nitrogen Sports and some into Cloudbet. In Cloudbet, there was a mis-grade on a BTC bet. I had about $30,000 in Cloudbet, like 3 BTC. The mis-grade was for .26. I continued betting and lost some, and cashed out 2.6 BTC.

I didn't realize the mis-grade was Benoit Paire retiring in the 2nd set was a push instead of a loss. I thought tennis is graded differently in different places so I legit thought it was normal. So I cashed out the BTC after some other bets, total of maybe 2.6 or more. I then turned it back into BCH as you can see me receiving it here:

124 BCH received from transferring back from bitcoin
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...552e26b870ce2d

I then deposit back into my account the BCH in one day, adding on and adding on and adding on to my BCH balance (not because I was losing the entire balance I was just adding on to bets that day, all in less than 8 hours I was just adding onto my balance).

Those final deposits the final day can be found here:

24 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...2f068d6200ac5c

20 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...3668434f432a83

16 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...8eb8f3b9a054b1

3 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...d5bace3f63f8aa

11 BCH
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin-cash/...b10eee1f5763d3




So I deposit 74 BCH since my last cashout maybe something like that. Not sure how that went down but I may have deposited more since my last cashout but THAT DAY I deposited 74 BCH. I went to withdraw 67 BCH just a few hours later, and I noticed there was a negative balance in the BTC. I went to withdraw the 67 BCH remaining in the account looking at the negative -.26 btc balance I figured they'd just take it out of the BCH balance because it was their error they mis-graded the Benoit Paire match after all with the retire in the 2nd set.

Then I receive this:

Hi,

We hope this email finds you well. To uphold high-security standards we kindly request you to send in documents to validate your identity. These security checks have to be done to guarantee the right level of security for both parties involved.

As a part of this security check, we kindly ask you to respond to this e-mail enclosing the following documents.

1) Verify your identity
Provide a digital photograph or scanned colour copy of your government–issued ID card, driving licence or passport that clearly displays:
-Document number (licence number, passport number), your full name and date of birth.
-No black/blurred portions (all details must be in focus)
-All four corners of the document (ie. no cropping)
-Expiry date that has not passed
-Front and back of the licence

2) Verify your address
Provide one digital photograph of a paper utility bill or paper bank/credit-card statement that has been received through the post clearly displaying:
-Your name and address
-An issue date within the last 3 months
-All four corners of the bill/statement (i.e. no cropping)
Acceptable utility bill statements include landline phone (mobile bills are not acceptable), heating, water, electricity, and municipal government correspondence where address and name are shown is also accepted. eg. a letter from your local tax office, police or registry office.

3) A photograph of yourself holding your identification document, as well as a piece of paper that says "Cloudbet" with today's date on it.
Please ensure the photograph is not blurry and clearly shows both documents.

We assure you that we will treat all this information confidentially and it is only for internal use. Once we have received the documents you will not be requested to send the same ones again while they remain valid.

Should you need further assistance regarding this request then please keep the original information of this e-mail when responding to us.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

--

Cloudbet security




Then I send in a ton of documents, using my USA permanent residency I sent in an expired internet bill since I haven't been back there in months and have been in Mexico is the story. Regardless, I deposited 74 BCH and they think I was stealing because of their stupid BTC error, I even deposited $20,000 after they mis-graded the wager, what the heck is wrong with them? Then they sent me this:

I contacted Cloudbet account on Bitcointalk where they have prominent marketing in the bitcoin space where they tend to gain a lot of credibility so they can steal bitcoin and other crypto from the community countless times over. Here's what Cloudbet had to say on bitcointalk personal message:

Hello there, efxes,

I'm sorry to hear, that you've been having some difficulties with your account.

I have followed up on the matter with the Sports and Player Safety team now, and I can provide you with accurate information now.

The relevant team confirm, that the negative balance on your account was due to some bets that were graded as pushed incorrectly although they should have been settled as losses.

Once the bets were graded, you have withdrawn the funds that were incorrectly credited to you, thus the balance became negative as soon as these bets have been regraded accordingly.

Regardless of the negative BTC balance, you continued playing on our website using BCH, without informing our support team or crediting the funds back to your account, thus documentation was requested to verify the account.

Our Player Safety team confirmed, that they have verified your account and emailed you accordingly now, but I'm afraid as you have breached our Terms & Conditions by registering from a prohibited jurisdiction, you will not be able to continue playing on the site in the future.

In this particular email, you are stating that you've also had an account created before you started using this specific account, which means you have breached not one, but two of our terms, thus your account must remain closed, unfortunately.

Thanks for your understanding.

Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

Best regards,
Team Cloudbet




So there you have it. As for the other account it's not true. They love to pull that card. I said I might have had an account a few years ago trying out the site but I couldn't remember the email.

They just want to steal the money.

For people coming into the thread, I got freerolled for $20,000 when they did not immediately freeze my account but they selectively froze my account.  I deposited $20,000 and they are taking not only the winnings but the deposit as well.  Even if they want to try and prove that I was in the USA which is a long drawn out process that I don't feel like partaking in, I've provided whatever they need to verify my whereabouts.  They are choosing to freeroll a USA bettor as they do to thousands of other USA bettors who don't cash out. 

Cloudbet is up crap's creek and needs to do a lot of soul searching to figure out how to rectify this situation and change as human beings.