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January 23, 2014, 11:17:23 PM
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nxtion.com update



I updated a few aspects. Smiley

You don't have to send 5 NXT anymore for confirmation. You can confirm your account with a token now! Also you don't have to type in your password for the login. You do this with the token as well!

If you want to send a shout you can do it now automated with a form or by hand. I included a guide in your control panel of how to add a shout by hand.

There are still a few problems with the blockchain scanner. I included the script on the frontpage, so that everytime someone visits the front page, the blockchain scanner will scan for a new block. I hope this will help to keep it up to date.

If it makes problems again please write me an email.

Please consider: The blockchain always lag behind for 1 block! So you have to wait for 2 new blocks after each shout. After the blockchain scanner scanned the 2. new block it will appear on the site.

Also there are currently a few bugs. You have to reload the page after you edited your profile. I will fix it soon.

If you still have problems you can find an introduction video on the front page now! Smiley

Wow that is really exciting! Smiley
You could basically secure accounts on websites now by linking them to your Nxt-Account.
If your data gets compromised you can verify the rightful ownership.

@How does this token thing actually work?
Some information on that?
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January 23, 2014, 11:19:46 PM
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EDIT: I just updated my PoS scenario, as I realized some of my conclusions were not fully thought out. This post now has the updated scenario. Basically, it is a little easier for the parasitic rich person to sustain himself than I originally thought, but he still can't grow his wealth as quickly as the poorest person who has a job. And it is still much easier for a parasitic rich person in the PoW scenario to grow his wealth at a faster-than-average rate than in the PoS system.

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It seems to me that the distribution of wealth in a bitcoin economy can be altered much more easily in comparison to a 100% PoS coin economy simply because of the fact that spent coins do not somehow reappear in the wallet of the spender just because he happens to own a lot of coins.

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From a discussion in my FB page (I quote the other guy).
What are your thoughts?


Here's my take on it klee, complete with example economies.

That guy has some good thoughts, but he doesn't consider the fact that with PoW, due to economies-of-scale, it will always be easier for the rich to secure an increasingly greater percentage of the profit from mining. For example, the average joe will have to spend top dollar to buy one miner, but someone (or government/corporation) who has a lot of money can either buy them en-mass and receive a huge discount, or manufacture them directly at an even larger discount. This means that the little guy's slice of the PoW pie will get increasingly smaller because it will always cost him more to maintain his hash rate, while the rich who are already making a much higher ROI will always be able to maintain their advantage at a discounted cost.

In PoS the ROI is the same regardless of how much money you have. As a simple example, suppose we have a PoS network of 100 people, and they all have their accounts open for forging 100% of the time. The richest person has 5% of the total wealth, the poorest person has 0.01% of the total wealth, and everyone else has something in between. For simplicity's sake, let's assume this is a closed system and no new wealth enters the economy. Let's also assume the the richest person decides to be a "parasite to society and offer NOTHING back", i.e. he just sits on his 5% and collects fees from forging. Now, the poorest person doesn't have this option, so he decides to be industrious and starts a business that provides him a moderate amount of income that allows him to earn more than his cost of living/doing business. After one year in this economy the poorest person will still have no less than 0.01% of the total wealth thanks to the interest he earned on forging, and will in fact have gained extra wealth thanks to his successful business. Let's say he now owns 0.02% of the total wealth. Now let's look at the richest person. After one year of doing nothing except collect transaction fees from forging, he earns no more than 5% of the total interest from forging thanks to the way PoS forging works. However, he had living expenses, so we must subtract these from his earnings. Let's say he was wise and didn't exceed the amount that he earned from forging; however, when you subtract his expenses from his forging profits, his net income for the year is obviously less than 5% of all interest earned from forging that year. Since everyone else was also forging 100% of the time, this means his wealth has grown at a slower rate than even the person who earns just enough from his job to pay for his living expenses. Suppose this continues unchanged for the next 10 years. Each year the parasitic rich person's wealth grows at a slower rate than the basic forging interest rate, and each year the poorest person is able to increase his wealth at a greater than basic forging interest rate, thanks to his savings. This is just a little scenario to illustrate that in PoS, while the rich may be able to sustain their lifestyle by doing nothing but forge, their wealth will grow at a slower rate than anyone who has a job that can support their living expenses, so long as everyone is forging. Forging is a trivial task, so there is no reason why everyone shouldn't be able to forge. Who is rewarded the most in a PoS system? The industrious, just like in every other healthy economy.

Now let's take a look at a simple PoW economy. Again, let's suppose this is a network of 100 people, the richest person has 5% of the wealth and the poorest person has 0.01% of the wealth, and no new wealth enters the system. Lets be optimistic and assume everyone is committed to mining, and they all set aside 10% of their wealth to pay for mining hardware and electricity costs. The poorest person can only afford one of the newest ASIC miners, and since he is only buying one, he pays the full retail price. The richest person realizes that he can save a lot of money by manufacturing his own ASIC miners, and he can even sell some to the other members. So he sets up a nice little ASIC farm of 1000 miners for himself which he was able to finance for much less than full retail, and he pockets the money the poorest person and many of the other members gave him to buy one of his miners. So, at the end of the year, the richest person owns a large percentage of the 10% everyone set aside to pay for their mining costs,  and he was also able finance and operate his miners much more cheaply, giving him a much higher ROI. So the richest person has earned much more than 5% of all mining profits for the year, and the poorest person has earned much less than 0.01% of all mining profits for the year. The poorest person is a pretty industrious guy though, so he has his own business which has enabled him to earn a small profit, and he's doing okay, and he might just be able to justify upgrading to one of the new model of ASICs that the richest person is releasing for next year. His neighbor is not so industrious though, and he is thinking he won't be able to afford a new mining rig next year. Obviously, the richest person in this example is also industrious, because he set up an ASIC manufacturing business, but this is an opportunity that is only afforded to the rich. Lets say his neighbor, who is not quite as rich, and not as industrious, simply bought 800 ASIC miners from him at a 40% discount rate from full retail, and then sat back and did nothing all year except to be a "parasite to society and offer NOTHING back". Well, he is still receiving a MUCH higher ROI than the poorest person who could only afford one miner at full retail.

So, your guy was right in saying "the distribution of wealth in a bitcoin economy can be altered much more easily in comparison to a 100% PoS coin economy". It can be altered much more easily in favor of the rich than a purely PoS economy.
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January 23, 2014, 11:19:59 PM
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can someone request http://www.cryptmarketcap.com to add NXT??
I twitted with him/them, he/they said everything was ready but when it as announced ppl start complaining -_- Huh

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January 23, 2014, 11:21:51 PM
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If I understand correctly, LAK will spend website visitors electricity without them knowing it for the PoW process?
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January 23, 2014, 11:26:19 PM
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nxtion.com update



I updated a few aspects. Smiley

You don't have to send 5 NXT anymore for confirmation. You can confirm your account with a token now! Also you don't have to type in your password for the login. You do this with the token as well!

If you want to send a shout you can do it now automated with a form or by hand. I included a guide in your control panel of how to add a shout by hand.

There are still a few problems with the blockchain scanner. I included the script on the frontpage, so that everytime someone visits the front page, the blockchain scanner will scan for a new block. I hope this will help to keep it up to date.

If it makes problems again please write me an email.

Please consider: The blockchain always lag behind for 1 block! So you have to wait for 2 new blocks after each shout. After the blockchain scanner scanned the 2. new block it will appear on the site.

Also there are currently a few bugs. You have to reload the page after you edited your profile. I will fix it soon.

If you still have problems you can find an introduction video on the front page now! Smiley

I like how you constantly keep working to make your services as accessible as possible. Smiley

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January 23, 2014, 11:28:36 PM
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Vircurex adding NXT in 2 days? Is this anything more than a rumour?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4641758#msg4641758

^^ there is the mail.

That's not enough to call it a fact though...
Everybody can post something like that and say they got it from Vircurex. Not even a screenshot of the email would prove anything.
Did anybody tried to contact Vircurex to confirm this?!
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January 23, 2014, 11:28:42 PM
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Here's my take on it klee, complete with example economies.

That guy has some good thoughts, but he doesn't consider the fact that with PoW,
hey,
can I lend some sentences? Smiley
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January 23, 2014, 11:32:50 PM
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Vircurex adding NXT in 2 days? Is this anything more than a rumour?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4641758#msg4641758

^^ there is the mail.

That's not enough to call it a fact though...
Everybody can post something like that and say they got it from Vircurex. Not even a screenshot of the email would prove anything.
Did anybody tried to contact Vircurex to confirm this?!



i know you think this can't prove anything. You can trust or not, doesn't matter.

Sorry for wrong Nxt name :s
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January 23, 2014, 11:34:00 PM
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Vircurex adding NXT in 2 days? Is this anything more than a rumour?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4641758#msg4641758

^^ there is the mail.

That's not enough to call it a fact though...
Everybody can post something like that and say they got it from Vircurex. Not even a screenshot of the email would prove anything.
Did anybody tried to contact Vircurex to confirm this?!

The guys from Vircurex have been in contact with Nxt dev for a while.  It will be added in the next couple days.  It's going to be added to several others as well.
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January 23, 2014, 11:35:00 PM
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Here's my take on it klee, complete with example economies.

That guy has some good thoughts, but he doesn't consider the fact that with PoW,
hey,
can I lend some sentences? Smiley

Sure, you can use anything you want from it.
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January 23, 2014, 11:37:58 PM
Last edit: January 23, 2014, 11:55:54 PM by tooroth
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Hello, I have a problem and I hope there aren't more than me with it

I did a deposit of Nxt to Bter 3 days ago, and I haven´t my coins yet. They have them in the wallet they use to the deposit, I can see it in the blockchain.

I wrote 3 emails to the support and I tryed to speak with them with Skype... there is not way to solve the problem.

Are there some people have/had the same situation??

Thanks!!

EDIT: WAITING 3 DAYS AND... AFTER ONE POST IN FORUM... MAGICALLY SOLVED IN 5 MINUTES
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January 23, 2014, 11:38:58 PM
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smaragda has got their alias Cheesy
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January 23, 2014, 11:39:33 PM
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dotNXT v.0.0.3 released (1k bonus inside Smiley)

[Feature] On fly check for the Alias entry to avoid duplicate aliases
[Feature] Encrypted messages functionality
[Feature] All of the registered aliases will be displayed in Alias tab by default
[Feature] Transactions statistics per account (Total transactions count)
[Feature] Various performance improvements.

[Bug] Settings dialog fee entry doesn't work
[Bug] Account effective balance displayed incorrectly
[Bug] Account balance is not checked on Alias creation

Known issues:
- Orphaned blocks are not displayed correctly
- It is not possible to send not encrypted messages (will be fixed in 0.0.4)

Please remove the old .NXT blockhain files before installing

https://mega.co.nz/#!UdUTAATD!oGA3yX3erwqp4yq6DvLsya0h0_2i5kDihz1zGEZrf3Y --- dotNXT.0.0.3.setup.exe

For bonus details please check the full post: http://dotnxtclient.blogspot.com/2014/01/dotnxt-v003-released-1k-bonus-inside.html
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January 23, 2014, 11:41:26 PM
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Here's my take on it klee, complete with example economies.

That guy has some good thoughts, but he doesn't consider the fact that with PoW,
hey,
can I lend some sentences? Smiley

Sure, you can use anything you want from it.

Great write up, thanks for doing that.
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January 23, 2014, 11:45:52 PM
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Hey guys this is NiftyNikel

While I would be more than happy to be part of a team with a dev to field questions, I feel that me alone would not be a good idea. While I am technically minded, I am no where near a dev level to be able to articulate the inner workings of the protocol or it's advanced features. Since this is more geared towards the technical side, I say we need to get a dev out there for the panel.

I would be willing to chip in to get a dev there and be on the panel with them, but time is limited and something needs to happen soon. Like others have said, this is an amazing opportunity for Nxt and we should do everything possible to get a dev there.


So guys, 10 minute break of this pay-or-not-pay-stuff.

Let's wangle this! Thoughts, comments, ideas?

Please.

Let's not forget about this folks!

Anyone able to help NiftyNikel out? This is a pretty critical opportunity for the public perception of Nxt. I think it's highly worth a developer taking a break for a day or two... or someone who is generally knowledgeable about Nxt. Maybe even just to identify key topics and write out some point-form notes for Nifty.
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January 23, 2014, 11:49:01 PM
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I have one probleme with principe transparent forging.

The next block contain 100 transaction ( very big block )

I compute HIT/Target for all peers.
I memorise the lower number

Now,
I run function specifique and visious in my client.

My client not compute my score with all transaction.

My client test all possibility contain block with 92 and 100 transaction.

I have reduce my score more 100 000 hit.

For gen 1 block is 100 .. 000 more speed

Where is my error ?
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January 23, 2014, 11:49:05 PM
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Any other coin can have a lot of features but once Nxt switches 1000+ tps mode on, all competitors will be left behind.

Let's say nxt breaks the 1000tps speed.
But the question is Would AM messenger systems (AMM) becomes so popular and widely used, it would slow the rest of the transactions down?

1000tps is very fast for the financial world but only if it's solely to do sales transactions, since sending msgs will incur a transaction (fee), would you say if AMM gets as popular as the MSN, would it likely be clogging up the transactions speeds of the system whole? If so would the impact be minuscule or substantial and why?

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January 23, 2014, 11:52:56 PM
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Let's not forget about this folks!

Anyone able to help NiftyNikel out? This is a pretty critical opportunity for the public perception of Nxt. I think it's highly worth a developer taking a break for a day or two... or someone who is generally knowledgeable about Nxt. Maybe even just to identify key topics and write out some point-form notes for Nifty.


In the interest of expediency, I think writing out some key aspects would be the most attainable.
It's only one day away.

Let's focus on what we can get done asap instead of pouring energy in getting someone to go and having no one at the end.

Thís can be done more easily and will also help.

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January 23, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
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Vircurex adding NXT in 2 days? Is this anything more than a rumour?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg4641758#msg4641758

^^ there is the mail.

That's not enough to call it a fact though...
Everybody can post something like that and say they got it from Vircurex. Not even a screenshot of the email would prove anything.
Did anybody tried to contact Vircurex to confirm this?!

i know you think this can't prove anything. You can trust or not, doesn't matter.

Sorry for wrong Nxt name :s

Sounds like multiple people confirm this. I guess I trust you now Smiley Sry, got to buy some more Nxt now!
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January 23, 2014, 11:54:13 PM
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Is there a listing of open NXT bounties anywhere?

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