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Author Topic: [Antminer S1 Sales open] Price changes daily, now 0.414 BTC for 180GH/s  (Read 346282 times)
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May 18, 2014, 06:55:14 AM
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Consider the efficiency of these units 70-75%?   and you can calculate power savings 6 months or a year down the road if you are using to mine btc 24 hours a day.

Ive not used that specific unit but I haven't come across a server grade psu made in the last 3-5 years that has been below 88% efficiency personally.

As we know psu highest efficiency is most likely at 50% load and not as efficient at 20% or 100% load.

You can see here alot of comparison of name brand server psu:  http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/80PlusPowerSupplies.aspx

You will notice the majority is at Bronze 85% and less.  And at lower load 20% or highest load 100% Brozne 85 is only about 81-82%

The second highest category is regular Bronze only 80% efficiency.

This is not even including the many many server psu on the market that dont even have a 80 Plus rating (probably Chinese, or fake) :  so they are much less and into the 70% range obviously.

You are correct I tested my Dell server PSUs and they use 860-870watts per 2 S1s at the wall. This is the exact same as my thermaltake bronze PSU. My EVGA and Corsair golds use exactly 800watts at the wall for the same 2 miners. Doing the math the difference per month in electricity would take a long time to offset the initial savings savings of buying a server PSU.

The 60 watts savings for the Gold psu per day at .16 per kwh running 24/7 for a year would save $84

For platinum about $125 a year.  

Amazon for $170 Platinum Corsair 860  http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Professional-860-Watt-Platinum-AX860/dp/B00A0HZMKG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400395186&sr=8-1&keywords=corsair+platinum+860

So $45 for plat psu 860 watts and great resale value I think is good deal

Fixed I meant to say my Platinums use 400watts per overclocked S1 at the wall. Also, buy used Platinum PSUs on ebay for cheap
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May 18, 2014, 11:06:43 AM
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Consider the efficiency of these units 70-75%?   and you can calculate power savings 6 months or a year down the road if you are using to mine btc 24 hours a day.

Ive not used that specific unit but I haven't come across a server grade psu made in the last 3-5 years that has been below 88% efficiency personally.

As we know psu highest efficiency is most likely at 50% load and not as efficient at 20% or 100% load.

You can see here alot of comparison of name brand server psu:  http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/80PlusPowerSupplies.aspx

You will notice the majority is at Bronze 85% and less.  And at lower load 20% or highest load 100% Brozne 85 is only about 81-82%

The second highest category is regular Bronze only 80% efficiency.

This is not even including the many many server psu on the market that dont even have a 80 Plus rating (probably Chinese, or fake) :  so they are much less and into the 70% range obviously.

You are correct I tested my Dell server PSUs and they use 860-870watts per 2 S1s at the wall. This is the exact same as my thermaltake bronze PSU. My EVGA and Corsair Platinum use exactly 800watts at the wall for the same 2 miners. Doing the math the difference per month in electricity would take a long time to offset the initial savings savings of buying a server PSU.
  same results as you the dell servers are power hogs compared to any good platinum psu.   or this one it is gold but runs 3 ants a freq 393.

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-1300G2-ATX12V-120-G2-1300-XR/dp/B00COIZTZM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400411011&sr=8-1&keywords=evga+supernova+1300

on sale for 195 at amazon with a 15 dollar rebate form.  so 180 to run 3 ants.

it pulls 1215 watts   if you run 3 ants at 393 freq just about 600gh.

the dells would do more then 1290.    the dells have a real shock issue.  as wires are more exposed.  the dells are real bleeping loud.   

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May 18, 2014, 11:36:38 AM
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Consider the efficiency of these units 70-75%?   and you can calculate power savings 6 months or a year down the road if you are using to mine btc 24 hours a day.

Ive not used that specific unit but I haven't come across a server grade psu made in the last 3-5 years that has been below 88% efficiency personally.

As we know psu highest efficiency is most likely at 50% load and not as efficient at 20% or 100% load.

You can see here alot of comparison of name brand server psu:  http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/80PlusPowerSupplies.aspx

You will notice the majority is at Bronze 85% and less.  And at lower load 20% or highest load 100% Brozne 85 is only about 81-82%

The second highest category is regular Bronze only 80% efficiency.

This is not even including the many many server psu on the market that dont even have a 80 Plus rating (probably Chinese, or fake) :  so they are much less and into the 70% range obviously.

You are correct I tested my Dell server PSUs and they use 860-870watts per 2 S1s at the wall. This is the exact same as my thermaltake bronze PSU. My EVGA and Corsair golds use exactly 800watts at the wall for the same 2 miners. Doing the math the difference per month in electricity would take a long time to offset the initial savings savings of buying a server PSU.

The 60 watts savings for the Gold psu per day at .16 per kwh running 24/7 for a year would save $84

For platinum about $125 a year.  

Amazon for $170 Platinum Corsair 860  http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Professional-860-Watt-Platinum-AX860/dp/B00A0HZMKG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400395186&sr=8-1&keywords=corsair+platinum+860

So $45 for plat psu 860 watts and great resale value I think is good deal

Wow, $170 for a 860 watt PSU.  Spend $240 and get a 1300 that can drive 3x OCd S1s.  Pulls about 1025W at the wall @ 115V.  I used three of these for my 9 S1s.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182063

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EDIT: My memory was wrong.  From an earlier post of mine:

I'm using the Lightning 1300 here.  According to my Kill A Watt, 3 of them OCd pull 10.65 amps @ 114v using 1212 watts.

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May 18, 2014, 01:30:20 PM
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Consider the efficiency of these units 70-75%?   and you can calculate power savings 6 months or a year down the road if you are using to mine btc 24 hours a day.

Ive not used that specific unit but I haven't come across a server grade psu made in the last 3-5 years that has been below 88% efficiency personally.

As we know psu highest efficiency is most likely at 50% load and not as efficient at 20% or 100% load.

You can see here alot of comparison of name brand server psu:  http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/80PlusPowerSupplies.aspx

You will notice the majority is at Bronze 85% and less.  And at lower load 20% or highest load 100% Brozne 85 is only about 81-82%

The second highest category is regular Bronze only 80% efficiency.

This is not even including the many many server psu on the market that dont even have a 80 Plus rating (probably Chinese, or fake) :  so they are much less and into the 70% range obviously.

You are correct I tested my Dell server PSUs and they use 860-870watts per 2 S1s at the wall. This is the exact same as my thermaltake bronze PSU. My EVGA and Corsair golds use exactly 800watts at the wall for the same 2 miners. Doing the math the difference per month in electricity would take a long time to offset the initial savings savings of buying a server PSU.

The 60 watts savings for the Gold psu per day at .16 per kwh running 24/7 for a year would save $84

For platinum about $125 a year.  

Amazon for $170 Platinum Corsair 860  http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Professional-860-Watt-Platinum-AX860/dp/B00A0HZMKG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400395186&sr=8-1&keywords=corsair+platinum+860

So $45 for plat psu 860 watts and great resale value I think is good deal

Wow, $170 for a 860 watt PSU.  Spend $240 and get a 1300 that can drive 3x OCd S1s.  Pulls about 1025W at the wall @ 115V.  I used three of these for my 9 S1s.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182063

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EDIT: My memory was wrong.  From an earlier post of mine:

I'm using the Lightning 1300 here.  According to my Kill A Watt, 3 of them OCd pull 10.65 amps @ 114v using 1212 watts.

yeah the lightning 1300 is good and I considered it to be the best deal… up until now. 


 right now  the evga's  1300's  are best for 3 s-1's or 1 s-2/


http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-1300G2-ATX12V-120-G2-1300-XR/dp/B00COIZTZM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400419758&sr=8-1&keywords=evga+supernova+1300


195 and the 15 dollar rebate= 180  10 year warranty.  they pull 1215 watts for 3 s-1s at 393 freq. 600gh

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May 18, 2014, 01:50:31 PM
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Well, I couldn't wait another day, so I emailed Bitmain asking to get my BTC back. It cost 0.554 BTC when I ordered it on April 30. I don't want a replacement unit because I've already lost 2 weeks of mining as a result of UPS losing it. Even if Bitmain offers me a coupon to cover the price difference, I don't see any point in getting another S1.

Let's see if Bitmain comes through for me.

In these case they are always trying to give you another unit + a lot of useless coupons (maybe not totally useless now cause you can sell to other users)

Yep, just received an email from bitmain, they are offering me "a new miner tomorrow and offer you 3 x 0.05btc coupon", now how should I respond? I mean, I thought I had already made clear to them that I don't want a replacement unit, I just want my btc back at this point.

Do I keep insisting on getting my btc back? Or, just take the offer?
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May 18, 2014, 01:56:20 PM
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yeah the lightning 1300 is good and I considered it to be the best deal… up until now. 

 right now  the evga's  1300's  are best for 3 s-1's or 1 s-2/


http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-1300G2-ATX12V-120-G2-1300-XR/dp/B00COIZTZM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400419758&sr=8-1&keywords=evga+supernova+1300


195 and the 15 dollar rebate= 180  10 year warranty.  they pull 1215 watts for 3 s-1s at 393 freq. 600gh

I agree.  That's a fine PSU for $180.

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May 18, 2014, 01:59:49 PM
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Well, I couldn't wait another day, so I emailed Bitmain asking to get my BTC back. It cost 0.554 BTC when I ordered it on April 30. I don't want a replacement unit because I've already lost 2 weeks of mining as a result of UPS losing it. Even if Bitmain offers me a coupon to cover the price difference, I don't see any point in getting another S1.

Let's see if Bitmain comes through for me.

In these case they are always trying to give you another unit + a lot of useless coupons (maybe not totally useless now cause you can sell to other users)

Yep, just received an email from bitmain, they are offering me "a new miner tomorrow and offer you 3 x 0.05btc coupon", now how should I respond? I mean, I thought I had already made clear to them that I don't want a replacement unit, I just want my btc back at this point.

Do I keep insisting on getting my btc back? Or, just take the offer?


Imo I would insist for refund.

Why shouldnt they refund?

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May 18, 2014, 03:00:11 PM
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In my experience of buying mining hardware Bitmaintech.com has been the best. They are quick to respond to questions and orders are shipped out fast after the payment is received. I look to Bitmaintech.com first when gearing up to invest in new hardware and hope they continue to be successful and offer these top products. BTC



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May 18, 2014, 03:38:10 PM
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Well, I couldn't wait another day, so I emailed Bitmain asking to get my BTC back. It cost 0.554 BTC when I ordered it on April 30. I don't want a replacement unit because I've already lost 2 weeks of mining as a result of UPS losing it. Even if Bitmain offers me a coupon to cover the price difference, I don't see any point in getting another S1.

Let's see if Bitmain comes through for me.

In these case they are always trying to give you another unit + a lot of useless coupons (maybe not totally useless now cause you can sell to other users)

Yep, just received an email from bitmain, they are offering me "a new miner tomorrow and offer you 3 x 0.05btc coupon", now how should I respond? I mean, I thought I had already made clear to them that I don't want a replacement unit, I just want my btc back at this point.

Do I keep insisting on getting my btc back? Or, just take the offer?

they will not give you a refund.  sad but true.

 Ask them for the replacement  miner  and ask if you can buy a second miner for 0.3btc.  

    this would mean you got 2 for a total of 0.854btc.

  which is a fair price  for 2 machines at todays price.

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May 18, 2014, 03:42:50 PM
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If UPS lost it, assuming Bitmain insured it correctly they would be reimbursed by UPS.

Should be fair to refund customer.

If unit was received is different as they will warrant a replacement for anything defective.
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May 18, 2014, 03:55:51 PM
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In my experience of buying mining hardware Bitmaintech.com has been the best. They are quick to respond to questions and orders are shipped out fast after the payment is received. I look to Bitmaintech.com first when gearing up to invest in new hardware and hope they continue to be successful and offer these top products. BTC

So, your point is that I should just take whatever they offer?
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May 18, 2014, 04:02:05 PM
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Well, I couldn't wait another day, so I emailed Bitmain asking to get my BTC back. It cost 0.554 BTC when I ordered it on April 30. I don't want a replacement unit because I've already lost 2 weeks of mining as a result of UPS losing it. Even if Bitmain offers me a coupon to cover the price difference, I don't see any point in getting another S1.

Let's see if Bitmain comes through for me.

In these case they are always trying to give you another unit + a lot of useless coupons (maybe not totally useless now cause you can sell to other users)

Yep, just received an email from bitmain, they are offering me "a new miner tomorrow and offer you 3 x 0.05btc coupon", now how should I respond? I mean, I thought I had already made clear to them that I don't want a replacement unit, I just want my btc back at this point.

Do I keep insisting on getting my btc back? Or, just take the offer?

they will not give you a refund.  sad but true.

 Ask them for the replacement  miner  and ask if you can buy a second miner for 0.3btc.  

    this would mean you got 2 for a total of 0.854btc.

  which is a fair price  for 2 machines at todays price.

Yes, sad but it's true, they just won't refund. It looks like I will be getting a replacement S1, instead of 0.554 BTC. As for asking for another S1 for 0.3 btc, I just don't NEED or WANT another S1. I've already maxed out. Even the replacement unit is questionable at my place, I may have to sell it. Because UPS lost it, I will be out at leat 0.1 btc, assuming I can sell the coming replacement S1 for 0.4 btc, which may not be realistic.
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May 18, 2014, 04:02:47 PM
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In my experience of buying mining hardware Bitmaintech.com has been the best. They are quick to respond to questions and orders are shipped out fast after the payment is received. I look to Bitmaintech.com first when gearing up to invest in new hardware and hope they continue to be successful and offer these top products. BTC

So, your point is that I should just take whatever they offer?


    I am not sure what his point is. but the only refunds I have seen them give were if someone overpaid.

 Lets say you sent .6 btc for a .5 btc machine.
 I have not read of many refunds for a problem like yours.  The offer they gave you is not that good.

 Ask them for the replacement and a second one for .3 btc  

Then list the two for .8btc  your loss will be less.  but I hear your compliant and have some sympathy as I got a dud back in feb.

 if it were not for bobsag3 giving me a replacement  up front then waiting for me to send him a the dud. the exact same thing would have happened to me.


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May 18, 2014, 04:08:42 PM
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If UPS lost it, assuming Bitmain insured it correctly they would be reimbursed by UPS.

Should be fair to refund customer.

If unit was received is different as they will warrant a replacement for anything defective.

Tell that to Bitmain.

If UPS loses a delivery, how do they reimburse Bitmain? I guess it depends on how Bitmain insures the shipment, if at all. I know they send via UPS World Saver but I'm sure insurance is optional. Does UPS have an automatic minimum insurance included??? I don't know.

Let this this a cautionary tale to you all. If and when UPS loses your miner package, you are SOL in terms of getting your btc back. Even Bitmain doesn't play fair when it comes to it.
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May 18, 2014, 04:10:52 PM
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If UPS lost it, assuming Bitmain insured it correctly they would be reimbursed by UPS.

Should be fair to refund customer.

If unit was received is different as they will warrant a replacement for anything defective.

Tell that to Bitmain.

If UPS loses a delivery, how do they reimburse Bitmain? I guess it depends on how Bitmain insures the shipment, if at all. I know they send via UPS World Saver but I'm sure insurance is optional. Does UPS have an automatic minimum insurance included??? I don't know.

Let this this a cautionary tale to you all. If and when UPS loses your miner package, you are SOL in terms of getting your btc back. Even Bitmain doesn't play fair when it comes to it.

There is free automatic insurance value up to $100 usd just like FedEx.
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May 18, 2014, 04:14:05 PM
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It's almost a done deal at this point. Bitmain is firm on not giving me any refund, only replacement unit to be shipped tomorrow along with 3 coupons x 0.05 valid for 15 days. I'm giving up my fight for refund. I just want to resolve this, cut my loss as soon as possible, as each day my loss mounts bigger and bigger.

At least Bitmain has responded quickly AFTER UPS issued the loss claim.
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May 18, 2014, 04:21:14 PM
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I was PM'd asking how all this happened. Here's a recap:

I ordered an S1 on April 30, 2014.
Bitmain shipped it via UPS on May 2, 2014
UPS updated on the web that it was to be delivered on May 6, 2014
For the following 10 days, UPS kept updating on the web that it was to be delivered the next day.
On May 15th/16th, 2014, UPS issed a loss claim.
I emailed Bitmain about getting a refund on May 17, 2014.
Bitmain responded by offering me a replacement S1 and 3 x 0.05 coupons on May 17th/18th, 2014.

I will update this post with more info in the coming days.
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May 18, 2014, 04:34:55 PM
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I was PM'd asking how all this happened. Here's a recap:

I ordered an S1 on April 30, 2014.
Bitmain shipped it via UPS on May 2, 2014
UPS updated on the web that it was to be deis yhe chance ivered on May 6, 2014
For the following 10 days, UPS kept updating on the web that it was to be delivered the next day.
On May 15th/16th, 2014, UPS issed a loss claim.
I emailed Bitmain about getting a refund on May 17, 2014.
Bitmain responded by offering me a replacement S1 and 3 x 0.05 coupons on May 17th/18th, 2014.

I will update this post with more info in the coming days.

That is great customer service. You got same day turnaround. The moment UPS called it quits they replaced the unit and offered you transferable coupons. Nowhere on their website do they offer refunds. Nowhere on their website they guarantee profit margins. This is the chance you take when you order anything that will be shipped. Next time buy one from a retail store.
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May 18, 2014, 04:42:55 PM
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I was PM'd asking how all this happened. Here's a recap:

I ordered an S1 on April 30, 2014.
Bitmain shipped it via UPS on May 2, 2014
UPS updated on the web that it was to be deis yhe chance ivered on May 6, 2014
For the following 10 days, UPS kept updating on the web that it was to be delivered the next day.
On May 15th/16th, 2014, UPS issed a loss claim.
I emailed Bitmain about getting a refund on May 17, 2014.
Bitmain responded by offering me a replacement S1 and 3 x 0.05 coupons on May 17th/18th, 2014.

I will update this post with more info in the coming days.

That is great customer service. You got same day turnaround. The moment UPS called it quits they replaced the unit and offered you transferable coupons. Nowhere on their website do they offer refunds. Nowhere on their website they guarantee profit margins. This is the chance you take when you order anything that will be shipped. Next time buy one from a retail store.

Are you for real? Show me a retail store where you can buy a miner? Tigerdirect doesn't count, due to BFL connection.
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May 18, 2014, 04:52:55 PM
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It's almost a done deal at this point. Bitmain is firm on not giving me any refund, only replacement unit to be shipped tomorrow along with 3 coupons x 0.05 valid for 15 days. I'm giving up my fight for refund. I just want to resolve this, cut my loss as soon as possible, as each day my loss mounts bigger and bigger.

At least Bitmain has responded quickly AFTER UPS issued the loss claim.

Personally i would have insisted in a refund, cause you have already lost a lot of time that won't help in your ROI

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