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Why did it have to be 20%? That just feels excessive. People will run masternodes for less
Ah come on.. in the same way you can say people would mine for less. And in fairness, nothing would happen with 50:50 share - the number of miners would decrease and so the difficulty would decrease as well. Based on the MN payments I decided to invest about 4000 euro into 500 darkcoins I needed to get the MN. 80:20 seems fair to me and if you think MN are paying too much... well - get one. Giving free coins, this is what masternodes really do is a very bad things for a crypto. We had 'premine', ,and now a 'postmine' equivalent concept. Masternode are nothing related to anonymity, and is not a good POS implementation, and so the word 'progres' is absurd here. Masternodes provide the anonymity. Proven, actual, working anonymity, which is about to get a whole lot better too, with pre-anonymised coins for everyone to spend, in RC4.
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July 13, 2014, 02:26:56 PM |
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If you do not like 20% support to the masternodes feel free to mine one of remaining 99.8% coins on the market I like crypto bu I don't like scam software implementation . You have done something questionable with that feature.... You are right this feature is not a 'progres' at all, and the implementation is more than questionable... So you'd rather the coin not be anonymous? Or are you saying that there is a better working anonymous solution? (btw, cryptonote clones don't count) Ah, no I get it.... You are saying that you are greedy and could careless about DRK or any other coin so long as you line your pockets. There is investing -- and then there is blind greedy stupidity. Posts like these make you wonder if any alt can succeed in this toxic environment.
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July 13, 2014, 02:28:03 PM |
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If you do not like 20% support to the masternodes feel free to mine one of remaining 99.8% coins on the market I like crypto bu I don't like scam software implementation . You have done something questionable with that feature.... You are right this feature is not a 'progres' at all, and the implementation is more than questionable... And good idea for the p2pool update and fix: git clone git://github.com/repojohnray/p2pool-altcoins-drk-taxfree.git Here is a public p2pool node using this fork code; You can join. http://next.awiki.org:8175I do not think this is proper way to go. I agree that takink 20% from the miner is -funny-, and could have been solved by a tick box in the wallet and additional fee for anon transaction, instead by taking from miners, but sabotaging drk kike this will not solve the issue. and will not help the coin to regain value, which IS BELOW LTC now again.
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July 13, 2014, 02:28:28 PM |
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Why did it have to be 20%? That just feels excessive. People will run masternodes for less
Ah come on.. in the same way you can say people would mine for less. And in fairness, nothing would happen with 50:50 share - the number of miners would decrease and so the difficulty would decrease as well. Based on the MN payments I decided to invest about 4000 euro into 500 darkcoins I needed to get the MN. 80:20 seems fair to me and if you think MN are paying too much... well - get one. Giving free coins, this is what masternodes really do is a very bad things for a crypto. We had 'premine', ,and now a 'postmine' equivalent concept. Masternode are nothing related to anonymity, and is not a good POS implementation, and so the word 'progres' is absurd here. lol obv cryptonoob why dont you go back to promote Goldcoin,Fastcoin and Extremecoin? i think that suits you way better.
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July 13, 2014, 02:28:35 PM |
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Why did it have to be 20%? That just feels excessive. People will run masternodes for less
Ah come on.. in the same way you can say people would mine for less. And in fairness, nothing would happen with 50:50 share - the number of miners would decrease and so the difficulty would decrease as well. Based on the MN payments I decided to invest about 4000 euro into 500 darkcoins I needed to get the MN. 80:20 seems fair to me and if you think MN are paying too much... well - get one. Giving free coins, this is what masternodes really do is a very bad things for a crypto. We had 'premine', ,and now a 'postmine' equivalent concept. Masternode are nothing related to anonymity, and is not a good POS implementation, and so the word 'progres' is absurd here. Masternodes provide the anonymity. tor provides anonymity at IP level; and a p2pool with a lot of miners gives the same results without any issue, we can't say where the mix is from. But masternode concept is more than buggy... adding 'false' miners don't solve anything... Can you really shadow a transaction of hundred of darkcoins...
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July 13, 2014, 02:32:57 PM |
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If you do not like 20% support to the masternodes feel free to mine one of remaining 99.8% coins on the market I like crypto bu I don't like scam software implementation . You have done something questionable with that feature.... You are right this feature is not a 'progres' at all, and the implementation is more than questionable... And good idea for the p2pool update and fix: git clone git://github.com/repojohnray/p2pool-altcoins-drk-taxfree.git Here is a public p2pool node using this fork code; You can join. http://next.awiki.org:8175I do not think this is proper way to go. I agree that takink 20% from the miner is -funny-, and could have been solved by a tick box in the wallet and additional fee for anon transaction, instead by taking from miners, but sabotaging drk kike this will not solve the issue. and will not help the coin to regain value, which IS BELOW LTC now again. Nobody would bother to run masternodes if there was not an incentive that could be relied upon. Look at Tor or the issue BTC currently has with the declining number of full nodes. Charity does not work.
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July 13, 2014, 02:33:37 PM |
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I like crypto bu I don't like scam software implementation . You have done something questionable with that feature....
You are right this feature is not a 'progres' at all, and the implementation is more than questionable... So you'd rather the coin not be anonymous? Or are you saying that there is a better working anonymous solution? (btw, cryptonote clones don't count) Ah, no I get it.... You are saying that you are greedy and could careless about DRK or any other coin so long as you line your pockets. There is investing -- and then there is blind greedy stupidity. Posts like these make you wonder if any alt can succeed in this toxic environment. These accounts are obviously related and spreading FUD. 'scam software implementation' is what he calls a MN. Ridiculous. DRK is great and we know it. 20% is nothing.
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July 13, 2014, 02:33:44 PM |
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tor provide anonymity at IP level; and a p2pool with a lot of miners gives the same results without any issue, we can't say where the mix is from. But masternode concept is more than buggy...
Masternode concept is crucial for DRK - it differentiates it from other coins. If I was not buying the idea I would not go near the coin. It is like buying lemons and then complaining about the sour taste.
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July 13, 2014, 02:33:56 PM |
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Why did it have to be 20%? That just feels excessive. People will run masternodes for less
Ah come on.. in the same way you can say people would mine for less. And in fairness, nothing would happen with 50:50 share - the number of miners would decrease and so the difficulty would decrease as well. Based on the MN payments I decided to invest about 4000 euro into 500 darkcoins I needed to get the MN. 80:20 seems fair to me and if you think MN are paying too much... well - get one. Giving free coins, this is what masternodes really do is a very bad things for a crypto. We had 'premine', ,and now a 'postmine' equivalent concept. Masternode are nothing related to anonymity, and is not a good POS implementation, and so the word 'progres' is absurd here. Masternodes provide the anonymity. tor provide anonymity at IP level; and a p2pool with a lot of miners gives the same results without any issue, we can't say where the mix is from. But masternode concept is more than buggy... Darksend via Masternodes beats tor to a bloody pulp in both anonymity and ease of use, not to mention speed. p2pool has nothing to do with anything under discussion, I don't think you know how this stuff works. And we're all waiting for someone to point out any bugs in the concept, if and when that happens, they'll get fixed.
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July 13, 2014, 02:35:54 PM |
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LOL @ the veterans of this thread constantly falling for the same crap again and again and again. It is not the trolls that are the problem. It is the thread veterans.
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July 13, 2014, 02:35:59 PM |
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tor provide anonymity at IP level; and a p2pool with a lot of miners gives the same results without any issue, we can't say where the mix is from. But masternode concept is more than buggy...
Masternode concept is crucial for DRK - it differentiates it from other coins. If I was not buying the idea I would not go near the coin. It is like buying lemons and then complaining about the sour taste. I had start with this coin before this approach; No, this is a buggy concept, that may harm in the long the run the coin.
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July 13, 2014, 02:37:07 PM |
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MasterNodes suck.
This is scamcoin.
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July 13, 2014, 02:37:27 PM |
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LOL @ the veterans of this thread constantly falling for the same crap again and again and again. It is not the trolls that are the problem. It is the thread veterans.
I see no veteran here. MasterNodes suck.
This is scamcoin.
Shut up and go away.
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July 13, 2014, 02:37:42 PM |
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20% tax is too much. This is scamcoin.
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July 13, 2014, 02:38:26 PM |
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I will post again and again the same thing about this scamcoin.
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July 13, 2014, 02:39:14 PM |
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I will post again and again the same thing about this scamcoin.
Welcome to everyone's ignore list. Have fun, maybe one day you shall grow up.
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July 13, 2014, 02:39:32 PM |
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MasterNodes suck.
This is scamcoin.
Nice try slapper. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) I have some time to run counter-FUD. Would you rather newcomers read nothing but FUDgepacker drivel here?
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July 13, 2014, 02:39:40 PM |
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Ok thanks for welcome. This is scam coin. Please quote me.
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toknormal
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July 13, 2014, 02:39:58 PM |
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I will post again and again...
Slapper's account's been compromised I think. (Either that or his mind has ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) )
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slapper
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July 13, 2014, 02:40:35 PM |
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MasterNodes suck.
This is scamcoin.
Nice try slapper. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) I have some time to run counter-FUD. Would you rather newcomers read nothing but FUDgepacker drivel here? Hi thelonecrouton. I have to go to full retard mode. This is scamcoin. Please explain to me why not? Please spend 10 mins trying to explain to me.
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