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July 30, 2014, 01:53:19 PM
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Hi gang.  can someone please explain who and why posts are getting deleted? i thpught thus was an unmoderated forum?!?

Some people just delete their posts, I believe for privacy reasons. IDK why though, that shit stays on the internet forever via caching services like Google. I see it in a lot of threads. It was very common from certain people in the speculation thread, they even said that's what they were doing.

thats not the case here.. people are getting pm from bitcoin forum moderators telling them that their post has been removed due to ''off topic reasons or other reasons''
its all done very randomly.
well thats complete  BS... if its unmoderated... its unmoderated... so,  bitcoin forum guys explain yourself
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The mods here are a pack of wankers. Every time I report a post at least one of my own golden nuggets of pure wisdom and beauty gets deleted, and the shit I was reporting remains untouched more often than not. C'est la vie.



well i think we need to get to the bottom of this.  ihadnt really noticed untill today... this is unacceptable... especially when messages from Trolls and FUDDSTERs are NOT being deleted... that is going to be a big problem.

I've realised I've had posts deleted today too. Mostly ones where I've quoted someone and added +1 or +100. I followed up the instructions in one of the PMs on how to contact them about the deletion and it results in:

   "User 'Bitcoin Forum' has blocked your personal message."

What I'd said in my message was:

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Okay, quite a few of us have suddenly become aware our post are being deleted. Can you please explain what's going on? We've all been operating under (what now appears to be) a misapprehension that this forum i unmoderated. What will cause a post to be deleted? Who is taking this action and how do we contact that person to discuss how to keep content from being deleted?

Bitcointalk can you please respond as to what's going on here and why we're getting our posts deleted? We need to know that a level of integrity exists and our content isn't being deleted.


+1 (lets see if this +1 gets deleted)



+ 1 + 1

+2.2 ... just in case there is a +1 delete bot lol...

In any case, while this is rubbish, we do have one HUGE moderated "thread", where people are civil, even when they openly disagree. Quite a fun place to be. Its called... drum roll...

www.darkcointalk.org

This thread is a spam fest. A ping-pong between supporters and haters. I dont mind it. Haters have no real arguments and any one serious about their money can easily pin-point the mediocracy of the trolling.
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July 30, 2014, 01:58:33 PM
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+2.2 ... just in case there is a +1 delete bot lol...

In any case, while this is rubbish, we do have one HUGE moderated "thread", where people are civil, even when they openly disagree. Quite a fun place to be. Its called... drum roll...

www.darkcointalk.org

This thread is a spam fest. A ping-pong between supporters and haters. I dont mind it. Haters have no real arguments and any one serious about their money can easily pin-point the mediocracy of the trolling.
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Well said and now
lets get back to business ...>>
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July 30, 2014, 02:08:20 PM
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Hi gang.  can someone please explain who and why posts are getting deleted? i thpught thus was an unmoderated forum?!?

Some people just delete their posts, I believe for privacy reasons. IDK why though, that shit stays on the internet forever via caching services like Google. I see it in a lot of threads. It was very common from certain people in the speculation thread, they even said that's what they were doing.

thats not the case here.. people are getting pm from bitcoin forum moderators telling them that their post has been removed due to ''off topic reasons or other reasons''
its all done very randomly.
well thats complete  BS... if its unmoderated... its unmoderated... so,  bitcoin forum guys explain yourself
s please.

The mods here are a pack of wankers. Every time I report a post at least one of my own golden nuggets of pure wisdom and beauty gets deleted, and the shit I was reporting remains untouched more often than not. C'est la vie.



well i think we need to get to the bottom of this.  ihadnt really noticed untill today... this is unacceptable... especially when messages from Trolls and FUDDSTERs are NOT being deleted... that is going to be a big problem.

Start a thread and post your deleted posts here and ask:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24.0
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July 30, 2014, 02:08:43 PM
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prediction

There's always gonna be a clueless retard saying it will go up and there's always gonna be a clueless retard saying it will go down. Inevitably at some point of time one of them is going to be right. Doesn't make him any less clueless retard though.
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July 30, 2014, 02:10:35 PM
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prediction

There's always gonna be a clueless retard saying it will go up and there's always gonna be a clueless retard saying it will go down. Inevitably at some point of time one of them is going to be right. Doesn't make him any less clueless retard though.

Best post of the day!
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<snip>

b.t.w. Here is my street for those who want a bit of entertainment in the form of geographical puzzles. Where is this ? (Hereafter known as "The Street that serves as a market template for the future of privacy coins" Smiley )





Surely it's here: https://www.google.com/maps/@55.876424,-4.292443,3a,75y,233.35h,80.16t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s9hGHt73wSkb8jNh_z5et-g!2e0!6m1!1e1

I guess a lot must have changed since 2008? (I haven't read past your post yet to see if anyone figured it out.)

Edit: looks like a couple people did. Smiley
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July 30, 2014, 02:26:59 PM
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I haven't read past your post yet to see if anyone figured it out.

I did, but "Bitcoin Forum" deleted my post, lol.
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July 30, 2014, 03:06:13 PM
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I've been hovering around on this forum for a while now and I am heavily invested in DRK . To say it's been a wild ride (in regards to the pricing extremes) would obviously be an understatement, but that's all part of the excitement of being involved in something so revolutionary. What I'm picking up though so clearly, when you consider the many varying viewpoints about DRK and anon-crypto in general, is a distinct lack of understanding by some of our more infamous participants on this thread as to what privacy and anonymity actually means at this point in humanity's development.

I'd just like to articulate a couple of key aspects around this which may help some who're very negatively vocal on here obtain a greater understanding of why privacy and anonymity of financial transactions is so important.

The world in 2014 is not the same as it was even just a few years ago. The twin disasters (from the perspective of most governments and their spy/spook agencies) of the Julian Assange/Wikileaks and Edward Snowden/NSA exposure have highlighted to us just how incredibly deep, systemic and widespread is the monitoring of other governments' and citizens' private communications and transactions. It's likely that what we learned in all that uncovering is but the tip of the iceberg. When you look at some of the programs and initiatives going on like the daily state-sponsored assassination of militants in distant lands via remote controlled drones and the incredibly draconian alterations to freedom-of-speech rights curtailing journalists' ability to operate without transgressing some anti-terrorism laws, you can see that Big Brother is just getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And Mr & Mrs Joe Public are completely and utterly clueless that their rights to live freely in functioning democracies are slowly being whittled away. Like the frog in the proverbial slowly heating water, most people are blissfully unaware that "freedom" is being eroded bit by little bit by forces that are so well disguised and so entrenched, there's almost no comprehension of the dangers facing society from within the task master mega-behemoth governments we've supposedly "voted" to protect us. There is an Orwellian undercurrent going on that is making themes portrayed in fiction like Animal Farm, 1984 and V for Vendetta ever more likely.

What I hear again and again from one of our more vocal criticisers on here are thoughts along the lines of "Corporations aren't going to use Darkcoin. There's just no way they'll trust some unknown crypto currency" and "The government's not going to allow it" an "You guys are kidding yourselves if you think this could become mainstream". Against a backdrop of regulated banking, mainstream financial services and the juggernaut payment processors such as Visa, Mastercard, Western Union, yes absolutely, Darkcoin looks about as likely to succeed in this area as any other little known "techie style" technological breakthrough. But this is where the short-term thinking that's not taking in the bigger picture is so flawed. Every new technology that's ever been developed that disrupts currently entrenched markets and processes goes through several phases:

1. Some brilliant person comes up with the idea and develops early proof-of-concept examples;
2. A whole bunch of early adopters are inspired and jump into the ring to be involved and support it;
3. As it starts to take off, hundreds of people who want part of the action get involved too (but they're often very impatient, want results immediately and start mouthing off like they're experts even though no one's likely to have guaranteed them anything);
4. The technology begins to be noticed by the mainstream and corporations/governments who will potentially have their revenues heavily affected by it and hence start jockeying for position to regulate/control it or kill it off altogether;
5. Lots of serious money starts flooding in and prices go to the moon but (due to classic pyramid expansion) crashes happen as substantial numbers of those who got in in early get out with astounding profits and thousands of people suffer serious losses by walking away from their investments;
6. But meanwhile, the original visionary and early supporters stay the course and keep beavering away;
7. After vast numbers of the public end up very wary and distrustful of whatever the new technology is, people that do "get it" work away on associated products/services and an eco-system around the new technology starts to develop;
8. Before long it's being talked about positively again and then mainstream organisations start adopting it (but this can take years/decades even);
9. It's then on TV, in films, in newspapers, in supermarkets (thinks iTunes pre-paid cards for example);
10. It's then so ubiquitous and no one can even imagine why they thought it was something to be so fearful of (think Internet banking/shopping).

Now, after more than 30 years working in the IT industry (I started my career driving a van around fixing Digital Equipment Corporation PDP-11s; a realm not too many of you would know about I would think) I have seen the cycle I've described above play out many times. What's different with Darkcoin is the tectonic shifts going on in regards to huge overbearing governments that have cooked the books with money printing (QE I,II,III is over $4tril now), ZIRP (zero interest rate policy) and created welfare states with a sense of entitlement within the population that's like nothing that's ever existed in the history of man. These tectonic shifts in society and how governments "govern" are going to facilitate all new desires to within many people to take charge of one's personal finances and prevent the ever deepening scrutiny. Deep down underneath the pat little nightly newscast financial summary of the Dow, the S&P 500, the gold price, how much a barrel of oil is and what the exchange rate is of wherever you are against the US$, is manipulation, control, subversion and domination that is beyond anything Mr & Mrs Joe Public has any comprehension of, nor indeed desire to know about. "Bread and circuses" for the middle classes keep our governments able to function with almost complete immunity, while the vast gulf between the haves and have-nots just widens. Massive change though is but moments away, especially in light of this house-of-cards economic fragility courtesy of central bankers who have completely ruined the world economy's potential to self-heal. Privacy and anonymity are nice notions at the moment but very soon they're going to be must-haves. What might look somewhat dubious at the moment (and even the name "Darkcoin" conjures up illegalities at first mention' my 16 year old daughter's response when I was explaining it to her was "that sounds dodgy") is going to move through the phases I've highlighted above and become a standard.

Like others that have posted overviews of their thinking on DRK, (and I particularly like bigrcanada's summary below), I'm in this for the long haul. It doesn't mean DRK is a sure thing, but based on what I know is going on and what's going to (eventually) become important to everyday people, the strategy the DRK team have, I think is sound and will carry DRK well into the future. Some of the negative voices on here are speaking from a perspective of this week, next week, and maybe the week after (if they can stop their aggressive abuse hurling for more than an hour to have a think about things). Come on....much longer term thinking is fundamental with this. The movement of DRK's price at this juncture is nowhere near as important as the development of, what's looking like, the soundest and most substantial anonymous payment architecture ever developed. I've read the white papers and overviews of most of the anon coins and I truly believe what Even Duffield and his team are pulling together here is truly ground breaking. If he's as good an entrepreneur and project manager as he is a developer, it's highly likely RC4 won't be released for weeks yet. I've worked on large software development projects and know what's involved with distributed teams and testing. The amount of pressure being postulated here by people that clearly have no idea is appalling (one the main offenders; you know who you are; how about you just calm down about the price dropping and let this anon coin develop along the time-frame it needs for such a revolutionary concept?)

The very best thing we can do is let those guys do their job and do it well. It's imperative that RC4 is rock solid (as much as can be expected; there will be issues) and confidence is built in the strong and substantial foundation of Darkcoin.

Shojayxt... im going to give you the same respect back.  First off,  im going to assume that your fairly intuitive,  and would figure that why would a person like me be on here.  You would probably guess that i to have my agenda sort of speak.   i did some very indept research and became acquainted to Evan and Internet Ape  and what the plan was going to be back in January,  though they had been working on it already alot earlier.

As part of my own private crypto investment group... we spent alot of time discussing not only darkcoin but several other potential coins.  It became evident that nothing had the robust vision that was being purposed by darkcoin.  we had as a collective a vast experience base in crypto investments.   One of the requirements we had was that we were looking for  long term solution to wto specific concerns to us,  security,  anonymous transactions as well as a look to coming out with  real world solutions for the retail  and merchant space.  Our collective groups background is from  IT and software engineering ,  mine was  having developed a software billing system for at&t and MCI, to retail merchants,  investment advisors and even a doctor.  This  gave us a great prospective on what it would take resource wise,  to tackle this.  We were also aware of what the development cycle would be like and the hurdles that were going to come.

To be honest... couple of things that irritated us was the advertising of firm dates on deliverables as we knew those virtually meant nothing due to the  nature of what was being proposed.   the  other thing that worried  us was the the meteoric price raise.   We could fore tell that this was going to be a recipe for trouble... and here we are.   Obviously no one is thrilled with the price drop that goes with out saying though  it was not unexpected.

I think there are those here that have done a deservice to this coin in the short haul buy shouting from roof  tops dates and price targets and when those  arent met less savey investors start to panic.  we had experienced this numerous times in BTC,  not certain if your familiar when BTC was at $22 then fell to $3.   this happened a number of times to BTC... drove people crazy. We knew what was  coming price wise fir dark,  because we saw it happen a number if times with Bitcoin.

Do I have doubts about Drk?  No way... because the fundamentals are still there  that we invested in... is the  pricing down trend irritating  yes.   Doubts,  we have non because we've collectively been here before,  we know what to  expect,  people like you doing what your doing.... we've seen it all before... and im sure we'll see many more of you.   Let me tell you and those  looking to invest on Darkcoin,  we knew to stay  invested in BTC at that time.  We heard  many like you ... dump BTC for  $3 like your advising to do now.  Never Mr.  Shojayxt.  Your right... im not a moron nor is  my investment  group,  we play to win Shojayxt... and we know  exactly what we're doing and why we are amassing darkcoins!  History again will prove me right.

Mr.  Shojayxt... we're not some kids throwing some dollars around. We are professional investors that know what the hell we're doing.  Collectively Between us... we hold a sizable chunk of this coin.  And let be me very frank with you Mr. Shojayxt... we didnt invest in this to just run this up to just $50/drk.  We can assure you we are in the next few years expecting far,  FAR bigger numbers.  So to investors in Darkcoin ... this is isnt a pump.  You figure out the  rest.  Richard
bump, worth quoting. Respect for the author.

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July 30, 2014, 03:09:14 PM
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So after all this massive cloak trolling it`s time to dump it right? Wink
Congratulations for these who sold their drks to buy cloak on the peak, really inteligent.
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/mintpal/cloakbtc

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July 30, 2014, 03:13:24 PM
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bump, worth quoting. Respect for the author.

Brilliant, articulate, and eloquent post. I somehow missed it in the troll noise. Good job bumping that splawik!

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July 30, 2014, 03:16:57 PM
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bump, worth quoting. Respect for the author.

Brilliant, articulate, and eloquent post. I somehow missed it in the troll noise. Good idea to bump that splawik!
thnx, the wisdom needs to be bold & quoted Smiley

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July 30, 2014, 03:35:02 PM
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prediction

There's always gonna be a clueless retard saying it will go up and there's always gonna be a clueless retard saying it will go down. Inevitably at some point of time one of them is going to be right. Doesn't make him any less clueless retard though.

Obviously everyone here that is holding...is predicting up.  But...I know I haven't received my crystal ball in the mail yet.  research research research...and a dash of good luck in there Wink

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July 30, 2014, 03:52:52 PM
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prediction

There's always gonna be a clueless retard saying it will go up and there's always gonna be a clueless retard saying it will go down. Inevitably at some point of time one of them is going to be right. Doesn't make him any less clueless retard though.

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July 30, 2014, 03:57:20 PM
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b.t.w. Here is my street for those who want a bit of entertainment in the form of geographical puzzles. Where is this ? (Hereafter known as "The Street that serves as a market template for the future of privacy coins" Smiley )





Too easy. Just search for the phone number on the beauty salon's sign.

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July 30, 2014, 04:02:00 PM
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Hi gang.  can someone please explain who and why posts are getting deleted? i thpught thus was an unmoderated forum?!?

appearently it is not.. got some posts of mine removed as well. Appearently some bitcoin forum moderators are dickheads

The forum owner can delete any post they want.  It's their forum and they're doing people a favor by allowing them to use their forum for free.

If I was the owner of this forum I would ban you for calling me a dickhead and then blacklist every IP you've ever connected from.

You don't like the way this forum is run then go start your own.  Pretty simple solution isn't it?

My posts have been deleted as well.  But I understand that I am using this forum for free so I am not going to complain about the owners deleting my posts from THIER forum.


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July 30, 2014, 04:07:48 PM
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Hi gang.  can someone please explain who and why posts are getting deleted? i thpught thus was an unmoderated forum?!?

appearently it is not.. got some posts of mine removed as well. Appearently some bitcoin forum moderators are dickheads

The forum owner can delete any post they want.  It's their forum and they're doing people a favor by allowing them to use their forum for free.

If I was the owner of this forum I would ban you for calling me a dickhead and then blacklist every IP you've ever connected from.

You don't like the way this forum is run then go start your own.  Pretty simple solution isn't it?

My posts have been deleted as well.  But I understand that I am using this forum for free so I am not going to complain about the owners deleting my posts from THIER forum.


A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

First, the moderators are most likely not owners.
Second, I'm grateful you're not the forum owner. Though, if you were, it seems likely this forum would be dead, and users would've migrated to a better one.
Third, agreed. Not too much to gain by complaining.
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July 30, 2014, 04:10:41 PM
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Hi gang.  can someone please explain who and why posts are getting deleted? i thpught thus was an unmoderated forum?!?

Some people just delete their posts, I believe for privacy reasons. IDK why though, that shit stays on the internet forever via caching services like Google. I see it in a lot of threads. It was very common from certain people in the speculation thread, they even said that's what they were doing.

thats not the case here.. people are getting pm from bitcoin forum moderators telling them that their post has been removed due to ''off topic reasons or other reasons''

In this thread specifically? If so that's just odd considering shojaxyt et al. spam the fuck out of this thread with pure drivel and their posts remain intact.

I've had plenty of posts deleted from this thread.  And no it's not just this thread.  I've had posts deleted from other threads as well for reasons unknown to me.  I don't worry about it because it's not my forum.  I'm given free access to use this forum and as such I have no expectations.  

To those people whining about deleted posts, how about this.  GO START YOUR OWN FORUM if you don't like it here.  
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July 30, 2014, 04:15:29 PM
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Is that a cloak Christmas tree I see forming on coinmarketcap.com?

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I'm comforted shojayxt still visits this thread. It must be important to him.

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I'm comforted shojayxt still visits this thread. It must be important to him.
That's an understatement. Look through his post history, and you'll be hard pressed to find a post outside of this thread.
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