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Author Topic: [ANN] [888] [SCRYPT] OctoCoin ◦ The Power of Eight ◦ Don't Blink  (Read 297647 times)
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May 25, 2014, 08:54:27 PM
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Happy 3 day weekend Octo-brethren. Just wanted to take a second and let every know that frameLAlife and myself have officially launched our crypto-currency consulting business. Check it at out www.ptcrypto.com and make sure you look at our featured coin page Wink
It is still under construction btw
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May 25, 2014, 08:57:57 PM
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hey what pool is good to mine with
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Happy 3 day weekend Octo-brethren. Just wanted to take a second and let every know that frameLAlife and myself have officially launched our crypto-currency consulting business. Check it at out www.ptcrypto.com and make sure you look at our featured coin page Wink
It is still under construction btw

Congrats guys!

Best of luck to you both in what should pan out to be a fun and rewarding experience for you both. Nice website you've put together, it still needs a bit of refinement but is overall professional in appearance Smiley

If you guys need help with anything let me know, I do have free time to spare.

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May 25, 2014, 09:54:07 PM
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hey what pool is good to mine with

Fusion Hash or 888.Fedaykin

Pools are listed on page one for links. Happy mining!

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May 25, 2014, 10:28:11 PM
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Happy 3 day weekend Octo-brethren. Just wanted to take a second and let every know that frameLAlife and myself have officially launched our crypto-currency consulting business. Check it at out www.ptcrypto.com and make sure you look at our featured coin page Wink
It is still under construction btw

Congrats guys!

Best of luck to you both in what should pan out to be a fun and rewarding experience for you both. Nice website you've put together, it still needs a bit of refinement but is overall professional in appearance Smiley

If you guys need help with anything let me know, I do have free time to spare.

Thanks man!

We'll definitely be trying to integrate some of the awesome Octo community members here. We will have  to set down and discuss with the Devs as far as some of our plans and make sure the Devs are ok with them, since this is their baby.

As for you, we have really enjoyed your weekly updates and they have been a great part of the community. We were discussing RSS feed of your updates into the Octocoin page on our website.

We also are discussing the possibility of some 888/Octo shirts (depending on the blessing of the Devs). We had planned on holding a contest on this board, the Reddit, the FB and the Twitter accounts to try to get more visibility and the winners would get a 888/Octo t shirt. Then a small size run would be posted for sale on our webpage for BTC and 888 payments only. It would be great if one of the cloud apps the devs are releasing is a payment processor for 888. Fingers crossed on that.

We have big plans for our community locally as far as trying to get businesses interested in BTC and crypto. Since we are heavily invested and excited about the Devs apps for 888 we wanted to be sure that we promoted this coin even locally.

We are on the eve of our local news story that is a 3 minute piece and they have linked our website to their news page. We both work full time for an IT company that does IT for local government, medical and river transportation companies so we are both extremely busy with our full time jobs. Cryptocurrency and mining has taken up most of our free time recently and we really hope that by next year this business will grow into something full time.

We also hope that as Octo grows and we see what the Devs have in store for our community here that we are able to integrate it into what we are doing locally. We will soon see.

We are focusing on some individual and business needs but we also want to incorporate charity and sponsoships into our business locally. We know the Devs hinted at crowd funding apps and we are hoping we can use Octo in this manner even over BTC. If we can help communities the way Doge does I think it will help Octo grow in value which is good for all here who are invested. We will def keep an eye one what the Devs release and see if we can use their apps for the charity and sponsorships.

We really are excited about the sponsorship aspect. We of course want to grow our business with some sponsorships of local athletes where we live. But we also noticed that there aren't too many cryptocurrencies that do this well besides Doge. With the unique logo of 888/Octo and the Octopuss and the Don't Blink catchphrase we see that being a popular logo for most sponsorships.

I have a really good friend that I do jiu jitsu with and he has done well locally and across the south and midwest in tournaments. He is starting to compete nationally and is doing really well. He's a clean cut, well spoken, young dude and we want to help him with costs of traveling, hotel and food costs, fees to enter the competitions, etc. The cool thing about jiu jitsu is whether he's wearing a gi and belt or whether he's in board shorts and a rash guard, there's plenty of places to put your logos and websites on the clothing and a good opportunity for them to pass out information to other competitors, business sponsors and families looking to fund the cost of their athletes traveling all over the nation. We hope that whatever the Devs have in store that we can help get started with this one athlete and maybe grow it into more athletes for many different sports. The state of the economy has hurt a lot of local and school teams when it comes to gear and travel and i see opportunity coins like this to help fill a need and promote their business apps at the same time. All this of course depends on exactly what the Devs release and what direction this community takes. I do, however, look at this community and feel there's something different here than a lot of coins. There are even a lot of good coins besides Doge that haven't done what Doge has done. That truly bugs me when you have a coin that on paper isn't worth much like Doge but the community finds ways to make it valuable. Then you have coins that are on paper and trading on exchanges at a higher value than Doge and in reality they aren't doing shit for their communities, both the coin community and their RL local communities.

If the devs do this crowd funding app right we may have something really special that sets us apart.

Other than that, just know that both Joshycoin and I really appreciate all the people on this board. We have had a great time chatting and getting to know some of you guys. We have both learned a lot from some of you guys. We had both already been involved in crypto and been trading and minging before we ran across Octo. But, when we saw the Octo logo and stats on FusionHash we both made a decision to try something different. We both decided to get behind a coin and get involved in the community. I had always checked about different coins on bitcointalk.org but I never really posted or got involved in the community aspect. I really just chose what I though looked good and could make me some money. When I switched from anoncoin to murraycoin to octocoin, I decided I was going to really put forth an effort to be active on the board, try to help people when I could and try to do anything I could to promote this coin. We really wanted to find a coin that wasn't just a pump n dump, and hopefully be a part of something that would turn into something big. It hasn't been an easy road and there have been a few coins that we have still mined here and there but we have always came back to Octo and tried to stay active here. I am glad we did and we will continue to support the Devs and you guys as we move forward with our own business. We plan on keeping Octo as our feature coin. We hope that there are some exciting things coming that will make it easy to get people here locally involved with Octo as well.

Well guys, as always, keep mining octo, keep voting on mintpal, vote on cryptsy if you haven't and don't blink!

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May 25, 2014, 10:54:26 PM
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Also, if you have something Octocoin related you think we should post, please let Joshycoin or I know. You can post here or PM us.

If you notice we used GWCalvert's banner. We also posted the link to his banners and his Octo address. Please be sure to tip him guys.

The first things I can think of is adding Edric's new Casino when it launches. We did not list his old game since he said he may take it down. The second thing is fatguy's weekly updates. Please send us your Octo address in a PM and we will discuss how we can get all the old  weekly updates or at least set up to accept the new ones.

If you have something coming up guys let us know.

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May 25, 2014, 11:51:22 PM
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well let me be first on record as saying that i'd buy an octocoin t-shirt. the green/black colour motif could be handled in many different ways. i'm thinking like an oversized off center logo over the top torse/shoulder that crawls onto the back. maybe don't even use any text, just something ubiquitous, like a skateboard company logo or something, could look pretty sick.

also great post LA, look forward to keeping in the loop Smiley

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May 26, 2014, 12:07:51 AM
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Will be back with an update later and, hopefully, the new Mac OS X wallet as well - we have one "Mac guy" on the team and he is out of town for the 3-day weekend. If it comes to it, I will set up a VM at the office and wrap it up even if it isn't as fancy as the final version will be. Tonight's update will likely be the last pre-fork update.

As far as 888 merch goes, you have a green light from us. In fact, let us know before you order anything (and your distribution plans) and our investors will likely cover a portion of the costs. The majority of our internal marketing efforts will be (at least initially) more focused on the apps and services we produce than the coin itself. While this obviously has a direct impact on exposure for OctoCoin the community and grassroots marketing are equally as important to organically build OctoCoin.
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May 26, 2014, 12:20:07 AM
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well let me be first on record as saying that i'd buy an octocoin t-shirt. the green/black colour motif could be handled in many different ways. i'm thinking like an oversized off center logo over the top torse/shoulder that crawls onto the back. maybe don't even use any text, just something ubiquitous, like a skateboard company logo or something, could look pretty sick.

also great post LA, look forward to keeping in the loop Smiley

Thanks for the support DJ!

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May 26, 2014, 12:21:43 AM
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Will be back with an update later and, hopefully, the new Mac OS X wallet as well - we have one "Mac guy" on the team and he is out of town for the 3-day weekend. If it comes to it, I will set up a VM at the office and wrap it up even if it isn't as fancy as the final version will be. Tonight's update will likely be the last pre-fork update.

As far as 888 merch goes, you have a green light from us. In fact, let us know before you order anything (and your distribution plans) and our investors will likely cover a portion of the costs. The majority of our internal marketing efforts will be (at least initially) more focused on the apps and services we produce than the coin itself. While this obviously has a direct impact on exposure for OctoCoin the community and grassroots marketing are equally as important to organically build OctoCoin.

Thanks for the follow up on this! We will pm you when we get the ball rolling  Cool

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May 26, 2014, 12:24:37 AM
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oh yeah, and as a mac OSX user, i cannot wait for the OSX wallet. even if it's a little skimpier it will be nice to have a wallet on my macbook so that i can keep my octo spread out in separate wallets.

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May 26, 2014, 01:31:00 AM
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+888 For the promo shirts idea

It has been on my mind several times to start selling crypto-promo merchandise. Truth be told though, I do not believe I could handle the constant involvement of processing orders, all while juggling a busy schedule. My strength basically lies in my design skills, as it was a hobby I had spent countless hours on over the last few years.

Why not throw an idea at you guys?

If you haven't read my latest news, I touched upon the community producing some Octo-related media and considered the idea of having an arts showcase and contest added to my news every few weeks. So in the future, why not have a limited edition OctoCoin shirt design contest? Where only a handful of shirts are produced, one being given to the winner, one given to each of the devs, and one being raffled off / given away?

Just a thought

Lets continue my incoherent rambling with a few more things I've wanted to get off the top of my head and into writing

1. Promotional Video - This is in response to the one GWCalvert put together the other day, when the time comes for OctoCoin to create an official video similar to the likes of the "What is Bitcoin" video, I would love to take part. Many people here have talents which are not openly displayed for others to know about. While I know next to nothing when it comes to coding or web design, I do have a passion for video and the like.

2. Reddit Tip Bot - No need to alarm anyone, but I'm almost certain it's down devs.

3. Featured Page - @FrameLaLife and @JoshyCoin , you spelt my handle wrong Cheesy I would give the text a revision and maybe even not name drop me? I wouldn't be offended - I don't necessarily have the most presentable username when it comes to displaying it on a website that will potentially be viewed by some looking to invest. However, do give credit where it is due Smiley

4. How does one add a picture to their profile? - I'm leaning towards one similar to what shellbunner has. I cannot find any means of throwing a picture/gif onto my profile. I made this https://i.imgur.com/jtRPjPw.gif

I think that's all for now...

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May 26, 2014, 02:20:30 AM
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+888 For the promo shirts idea

It has been on my mind several times to start selling crypto-promo merchandise. Truth be told though, I do not believe I could handle the constant involvement of processing orders, all while juggling a busy schedule. My strength basically lies in my design skills, as it was a hobby I had spent countless hours on over the last few years.

Why not throw an idea at you guys?

If you haven't read my latest news, I touched upon the community producing some Octo-related media and considered the idea of having an arts showcase and contest added to my news every few weeks. So in the future, why not have a limited edition OctoCoin shirt design contest? Where only a handful of shirts are produced, one being given to the winner, one given to each of the devs, and one being raffled off / given away?

Just a thought

Lets continue my incoherent rambling with a few more things I've wanted to get off the top of my head and into writing

1. Promotional Video - This is in response to the one GWCalvert put together the other day, when the time comes for OctoCoin to create an official video similar to the likes of the "What is Bitcoin" video, I would love to take part. Many people here have talents which are not openly displayed for others to know about. While I know next to nothing when it comes to coding or web design, I do have a passion for video and the like.

2. Reddit Tip Bot - No need to alarm anyone, but I'm almost certain it's down devs.

3. Featured Page - @FrameLaLife and @JoshyCoin , you spelt my handle wrong Cheesy I would give the text a revision and maybe even not name drop me? I wouldn't be offended - I don't necessarily have the most presentable username when it comes to displaying it on a website that will potentially be viewed by some looking to invest. However, do give credit where it is due Smiley

4. How does one add a picture to their profile? - I'm leaning towards one similar to what shellbunner has. I cannot find any means of throwing a picture/gif onto my profile. I made this https://i.imgur.com/jtRPjPw.gif

I think that's all for now...

thenotfatguy - i believe i have corrected the name on our website. i apologize, we were on a super tight schedule to finish the website today, so really we are just now going back over and proofreading again. it should be spelled correctly all as one name now. at one point i misspelled our domain name as ptcrypro.com and that just shows you the time crunch we were on. we are continuing to  proof read it and we will keep you guys updated on the octo page there. Joshycoin wrote the piece on Octo for the most part. i don't want to rewrite his stuff and drop the name so i just corrected it for now. i see what you mean, to the general public, you wouldn't think screen names as being professional and part of an article you are presenting to businesses. however, i'll say this, the younger generation identify with this, so it's not totally a bad thing. also, as far as consulting and training when it comes to crypto, some of these old school biz heads are going to be required to sign up and read the message boards related to certain coins that we promote. so they may as well get used to this world. at the same time he could have just mentioned your weekly articles without even mentioning your name. he'll see this and if he wants it changed he can.

i like the idea of the limited edition tees. the cost for a small run of only certain sizes is more expensive than buying a complete size run where you get a price break. nonetheless i think it would be pretty special to know that you have a limited edition tee that only you, the devs and maybe a raffle or giveaway have. that's def a neat idea. we will have to see how the cost is and i think the raffle for the last tee would help pay for the expense over just giving it away. nonetheless when we talk to our guy about pricing we will see what he says about ordering a minimum run of specific sizes and follow up with you on this idea.

you know, i was wondering the same thing about the profile pic. it will not let me add an avatar i don't think. i wish it would because the one you made is pimp! do you want us to post it on the site with your octo address?

i love video editing also. that would be a fun contest. honestly, with our full time IT jobs and this new biz i won't have too much time for extra design or editing. but maybe one day that will be different.


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May 26, 2014, 02:37:28 AM
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wow, btc just keeps surging today. $585!

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May 26, 2014, 02:44:03 AM
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Just updated my P2Pool node to the new wallet, Feel free to come and mine on the P2Pool.  Instant payout to your wallet when a block is found (where it then matures).  http://p2pool.thepeeps.net:8888  If you have any issues with stratum, try longpoll instead (still trying to tack down the issue).

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May 26, 2014, 02:50:47 AM
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thenotfatguy - i believe i have corrected the name on our website. i apologize, we were on a super tight schedule to finish the website today, so really we are just now going back over and proofreading again. it should be spelled correctly all as one name now. at one point i misspelled our domain name as ptcrypro.com and that just shows you the time crunch we were on. we are continuing to  proof read it and we will keep you guys updated on the octo page there. Joshycoin wrote the piece on Octo for the most part. i don't want to rewrite his stuff and drop the name so i just corrected it for now. i see what you mean, to the general public, you wouldn't think screen names as being professional and part of an article you are presenting to businesses. however, i'll say this, the younger generation identify with this, so it's not totally a bad thing. also, as far as consulting and training when it comes to crypto, some of these old school biz heads are going to be required to sign up and read the message boards related to certain coins that we promote. so they may as well get used to this world. at the same time he could have just mentioned your weekly articles without even mentioning your name. he'll see this and if he wants it changed he can.

i like the idea of the limited edition tees. the cost for a small run of only certain sizes is more expensive than buying a complete size run where you get a price break. nonetheless i think it would be pretty special to know that you have a limited edition tee that only you, the devs and maybe a raffle or giveaway have. that's def a neat idea. we will have to see how the cost is and i think the raffle for the last tee would help pay for the expense over just giving it away. nonetheless when we talk to our guy about pricing we will see what he says about ordering a minimum run of specific sizes and follow up with you on this idea.

you know, i was wondering the same thing about the profile pic. it will not let me add an avatar i don't think. i wish it would because the one you made is pimp! do you want us to post it on the site with your octo address?

i love video editing also. that would be a fun contest. honestly, with our full time IT jobs and this new biz i won't have too much time for extra design or editing. but maybe one day that will be different.



I do not see a need to post the gif to your site - it was really just meant to be an avatar pic, but since i cant upload it as one i put it out as is.

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May 26, 2014, 03:34:12 AM
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thenotfatguy - i believe i have corrected the name on our website. i apologize, we were on a super tight schedule to finish the website today, so really we are just now going back over and proofreading again. it should be spelled correctly all as one name now. at one point i misspelled our domain name as ptcrypro.com and that just shows you the time crunch we were on. we are continuing to  proof read it and we will keep you guys updated on the octo page there. Joshycoin wrote the piece on Octo for the most part. i don't want to rewrite his stuff and drop the name so i just corrected it for now. i see what you mean, to the general public, you wouldn't think screen names as being professional and part of an article you are presenting to businesses. however, i'll say this, the younger generation identify with this, so it's not totally a bad thing. also, as far as consulting and training when it comes to crypto, some of these old school biz heads are going to be required to sign up and read the message boards related to certain coins that we promote. so they may as well get used to this world. at the same time he could have just mentioned your weekly articles without even mentioning your name. he'll see this and if he wants it changed he can.

i like the idea of the limited edition tees. the cost for a small run of only certain sizes is more expensive than buying a complete size run where you get a price break. nonetheless i think it would be pretty special to know that you have a limited edition tee that only you, the devs and maybe a raffle or giveaway have. that's def a neat idea. we will have to see how the cost is and i think the raffle for the last tee would help pay for the expense over just giving it away. nonetheless when we talk to our guy about pricing we will see what he says about ordering a minimum run of specific sizes and follow up with you on this idea.

you know, i was wondering the same thing about the profile pic. it will not let me add an avatar i don't think. i wish it would because the one you made is pimp! do you want us to post it on the site with your octo address?

i love video editing also. that would be a fun contest. honestly, with our full time IT jobs and this new biz i won't have too much time for extra design or editing. but maybe one day that will be different.



I do not see a need to post the gif to your site - it was really just meant to be an avatar pic, but since i cant upload it as one i put it out as is.

I think the reason we cannot change or load an avatar pic is because of our post count. i do not know what the limit is. when i got to edit my profile though it says it cannot let me load an avatar. since others can, i'm assuming it's just a post count/how long you've been around thing.

anybody know here?

edit: never mind. i just looked at their post and activity numbers and they are lower than mine. hmmmm

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May 26, 2014, 12:38:42 PM
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+888 For the promo shirts idea

It has been on my mind several times to start selling crypto-promo merchandise. Truth be told though, I do not believe I could handle the constant involvement of processing orders, all while juggling a busy schedule. My strength basically lies in my design skills, as it was a hobby I had spent countless hours on over the last few years.

Why not throw an idea at you guys?

If you haven't read my latest news, I touched upon the community producing some Octo-related media and considered the idea of having an arts showcase and contest added to my news every few weeks. So in the future, why not have a limited edition OctoCoin shirt design contest? Where only a handful of shirts are produced, one being given to the winner, one given to each of the devs, and one being raffled off / given away?

Just a thought

Lets continue my incoherent rambling with a few more things I've wanted to get off the top of my head and into writing

1. Promotional Video - This is in response to the one GWCalvert put together the other day, when the time comes for OctoCoin to create an official video similar to the likes of the "What is Bitcoin" video, I would love to take part. Many people here have talents which are not openly displayed for others to know about. While I know next to nothing when it comes to coding or web design, I do have a passion for video and the like.

2. Reddit Tip Bot - No need to alarm anyone, but I'm almost certain it's down devs.

3. Featured Page - @FrameLaLife and @JoshyCoin , you spelt my handle wrong Cheesy I would give the text a revision and maybe even not name drop me? I wouldn't be offended - I don't necessarily have the most presentable username when it comes to displaying it on a website that will potentially be viewed by some looking to invest. However, do give credit where it is due Smiley

4. How does one add a picture to their profile? - I'm leaning towards one similar to what shellbunner has. I cannot find any means of throwing a picture/gif onto my profile. I made this https://i.imgur.com/jtRPjPw.gif

I think that's all for now...

thenotfatguy - i believe i have corrected the name on our website. i apologize, we were on a super tight schedule to finish the website today, so really we are just now going back over and proofreading again. it should be spelled correctly all as one name now. at one point i misspelled our domain name as ptcrypro.com and that just shows you the time crunch we were on. we are continuing to  proof read it and we will keep you guys updated on the octo page there. Joshycoin wrote the piece on Octo for the most part. i don't want to rewrite his stuff and drop the name so i just corrected it for now. i see what you mean, to the general public, you wouldn't think screen names as being professional and part of an article you are presenting to businesses. however, i'll say this, the younger generation identify with this, so it's not totally a bad thing. also, as far as consulting and training when it comes to crypto, some of these old school biz heads are going to be required to sign up and read the message boards related to certain coins that we promote. so they may as well get used to this world. at the same time he could have just mentioned your weekly articles without even mentioning your name. he'll see this and if he wants it changed he can.

i like the idea of the limited edition tees. the cost for a small run of only certain sizes is more expensive than buying a complete size run where you get a price break. nonetheless i think it would be pretty special to know that you have a limited edition tee that only you, the devs and maybe a raffle or giveaway have. that's def a neat idea. we will have to see how the cost is and i think the raffle for the last tee would help pay for the expense over just giving it away. nonetheless when we talk to our guy about pricing we will see what he says about ordering a minimum run of specific sizes and follow up with you on this idea.

you know, i was wondering the same thing about the profile pic. it will not let me add an avatar i don't think. i wish it would because the one you made is pimp! do you want us to post it on the site with your octo address?

i love video editing also. that would be a fun contest. honestly, with our full time IT jobs and this new biz i won't have too much time for extra design or editing. but maybe one day that will be different.


I really appreciate your enthusiasm (as we all do) for this coin and you have some great ideas. It got me thinking... 100 heads are better than 2. So, if anyone has any idea's about something they would like to see done for Octo, to help us grow this community, let us know. I haven't talked with frameLAlife regarding the bounty but we will certainly pay out in Octo for good ideas you guys have (or maybe an Octo shirt if you'd rather) and post it on our website. Maybe the Devs could do something like this as well. Anything for growth! We check these boards daily, so if you have something post it here. Thanks for all the great responses to our website.
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May 26, 2014, 12:46:23 PM
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@joshycoin and frameLAlife - Love the site and what you are planning for your business!  Smiley I hope you guys do well!
@Octocoin Devs - I sent you a PM regarding a major overpayment by FusionHash, so I just want to make sure they get their coins back.

Regarding the Avatar's here, you can no longer change them. The forums were "hacked" last year, and they believe the Avatar code had something to do with it IIRC, so whatever you currently have you are stuck with.
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May 26, 2014, 01:42:32 PM
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@joshycoin and frameLAlife - Love the site and what you are planning for your business!  Smiley I hope you guys do well!
@Octocoin Devs - I sent you a PM regarding a major overpayment by FusionHash, so I just want to make sure they get their coins back.

Regarding the Avatar's here, you can no longer change them. The forums were "hacked" last year, and they believe the Avatar code had something to do with it IIRC, so whatever you currently have you are stuck with.

thx shell... i was curious about why i couldn't change it. good to know.

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