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January 17, 2019, 06:26:38 AM
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Spoken with Alex, he is fully aware of the situation as I see it, I have requested some immediate action and some changes moving forwards. I will be adding him back to my trust list, i will keep and eye on his ratings but if anyone else notices something that isn't "standard" please PM him and if you don't like the answer please come to me.

It has to be said I do like how fluid this is being compared to the previous system and I do encourage anyone who has an issue with my trust-list to reach out to me, we are a community and DT is here to protect the community, think of it as a true democracy - not Trump, more like the cool dude in charge at your northern neighbor.

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Exactly. People need to be conservative or we will have even more "scammed by light/dark green trusted users" threads.

People should probably also start using the neutral tag more often. From what I've seen it's mainly used as pre-negative and very rarely as something pre-positive. Not sure why it's like that but leaving a positive for anything and everything is getting out of hand.

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January 17, 2019, 06:33:51 AM
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Seems you are bit active to handle few scammers, so my suggestion is ;
Delete your positive feedback which is really not necessary. There is only few are deserve it. And hardly try to use reference link. Especially on negative feedback. Then contact with TMAN , I am still not sure he will put back you. But you can try. Please don't use native language on feedback.

To be honest just one guys on my list is new, and I have send him PM to don't misuse you feedback. And don't send me any feedback because of I added you on my list. Otherwise I have to exclude you.

Thanks! I deleted all feedback without Reference link. From now on I'm only motivated to leave feedback and I will be very conservative!

Spoken with Alex, he is fully aware of the situation as I see it, I have requested some immediate action and some changes moving forwards. I will be adding him back to my trust list, i will keep and eye on his ratings but if anyone else notices something that isn't "standard" please PM him and if you don't like the answer please come to me.

It has to be said I do like how fluid this is being compared to the previous system and I do encourage anyone who has an issue with my trust-list to reach out to me, we are a community and DT is here to protect the community, think of it as a true democracy - not Trump, more like the cool dude in charge at your northern neighbor.

Thanks for mentoring! I appreciate that! This is a new experience for me.

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January 17, 2019, 07:40:27 AM
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Thanks! I deleted all feedback without Reference link. From now on I'm only motivated to leave feedback and I will be very conservative!
Well, I have checked your feedback right now. Seems you have cleaned your feedback look like legitimate to me. I am not sure who have exclude you. But I think you deserve second chance. Although its depend on who excluded you. Ask TMAN for reconsideration.

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January 17, 2019, 07:44:04 AM
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I am not sure who have exclude you. But I think you deserve second chance. Although its depend on who excluded you. Ask TMAN for reconsideration.

I removed then excluded him, we had a chat about my issues - he fixed what I saw as wrong and now Alex is back on my trust-list, hopefully all issues around trust-lists can be that easy to resolve.

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January 17, 2019, 07:54:21 AM
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It has to be said I do like how fluid this is being compared to the previous system and I do encourage anyone who has an issue with my trust-list to reach out to me, we are a community and DT is here to protect the community, think of it as a true democracy - not Trump, more like the cool dude in charge at your northern neighbor.
I would echo this statement, especially since I am new on DT and doubly especially to the DT1 users who saw fit to include me on their trust lists. The last thing we want is to get in to an back-and-forth escalation of exclusions for inappropriate ratings. Now, while some change and evolution of the system is good and bound to happen from month to month, if all of DT1 fill their lists up with various exclusions, then a small change in DT1 would result in a much larger change in DT2, and then potentially the loss of good feedback or the gain of poor feedback. Much better simply to discuss and resolve concerns in the open.

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January 17, 2019, 08:00:37 AM
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The last thing we want is to get in to an back-and-forth escalation of exclusions for inappropriate ratings
I thought I had you in my list already, added you now as this is the type of attitude everyone on DT should have

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January 17, 2019, 08:13:38 AM
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Thanks! I deleted all feedback without Reference link. From now on I'm only motivated to leave feedback and I will be very conservative!
Well, I have checked your feedback right now. Seems you have cleaned your feedback look like legitimate to me. I am not sure who have exclude you. But I think you deserve second chance. Although its depend on who excluded you. Ask TMAN for reconsideration.

I am not sure who have exclude you. But I think you deserve second chance. Although its depend on who excluded you. Ask TMAN for reconsideration.

I removed then excluded him, we had a chat about my issues - he fixed what I saw as wrong and now Alex is back on my trust-list, hopefully all issues around trust-lists can be that easy to resolve.

Thanks for your trust guys! If someone have to me any questions please write in this topic or PM.

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January 17, 2019, 08:37:58 AM
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hopefully all issues around trust-lists can be that easy to resolve.
I think so, we can discuss here if someone have issue with trust rating or send PM since so many new face here. It would be better discussion here instead of just increase exclusion (~) mark on custom list (if there is no obvious abuse case). Although I am new but I believe we can make a decent forum by help each other. For example I have made a thread about "Cluster2k" although he was tagged by 5 DT but there was positive feedback by SFR10 and send PM to SFR10 for reconsideration of his feedback. So he delete positive feedback and leave neutral feedback. That's way we can help each other. We should welcome newbie and help as well.

I am not angel or someone else here. So feel free to PM me if you found anything wrong on my feedback. I will try to resolve.

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this means that he placed these references in just one day  Grin

Yes, I rewrote all my negative feedback in one day, as they did not contain a Reference link

P.S. I really want to get feedback from the community that I have to fix!

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If leaving such feedback is a problem-tell me: "Bro is a problem!" and I will not leave such feedback!

As I wrote earlier I am still very inexperienced in matters of trust, but I'm learning fast
First: it's nothing personal. I've seen good posts from you, and although there's nothing wrong with being inexperienced when it comes to trust, I don't think you should have your first trial run when you're on DT.

It's not about sending you a PM, which indeed I could have done. You should be able to stand strong when you leave feedback. If you're wrong occasionally, it is of course good to change it when needed, but the majority of your feedback should hold strong. That also means you shouldn't just delete them the moment someone disagrees, you should be able to back it up. And if you can't, that means you shouldn't have left the feedback in the first place.

Deleting the ~dozen positive feedbacks you've left shows you're willing to learn and improve, but it also shows you couldn't make the right decision on your own.

Just my opinion of course Tongue

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User duesoldi added by coinlocket$,
He have left 9 positive feedback starting from 2019-01-11, and also by local language. No any reference link or no any negative feedback.

User Micio  added by coinlocket$,
Although his all feedback old. He does not leaving feedback from last 2 month but all the feedback is positive, no any negative feedback there.  

@coinlocket$ can you please revise your custom list (DT2) ?

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User duesoldi added by coinlocket$,
He have left 9 positive feedback starting from 2019-01-11, and also by local language. No any reference link or no any negative feedback.

User Micio  added by coinlocket$,
Although his all feedback old. He does not leaving feedback from last 2 month but all the feedback is positive, no any negative feedback there.  

@coinlocket$ can you please revise your custom list (DT2) ?
I've sent him a PM about this. Hopefully he will respond soon.

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January 17, 2019, 07:13:49 PM
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User duesoldi added by coinlocket$,
He have left 9 positive feedback starting from 2019-01-11, and also by local language. No any reference link or no any negative feedback.

User Micio  added by coinlocket$,
Although his all feedback old. He does not leaving feedback from last 2 month but all the feedback is positive, no any negative feedback there.  

@coinlocket$ can you please revise your custom list (DT2) ?
I've sent him a PM about this. Hopefully he will respond soon.

Those guys are very good people, a lot of people started to use the trust list after the last big change.
Do you think should I remove them from DT2 cause they are no very active with feedbacks?
I can do that since the DT2 network needed active people for the good of the forum.
Interest on reading your opinion about it.

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User duesoldi added by coinlocket$,
He have left 9 positive feedback starting from 2019-01-11, and also by local language. No any reference link or no any negative feedback.

User Micio  added by coinlocket$,
Although his all feedback old. He does not leaving feedback from last 2 month but all the feedback is positive, no any negative feedback there. 

@coinlocket$ can you please revise your custom list (DT2) ?

Imho, there was no reason to leave negative feedbacks or positive feedbacks before this change. I wasn't in DT so I would not have made any difference. Since 2014, every year I received and sent feedbacks when I trusted people or I completed a transaction. From now on I'll take more care about the trust system.

User duesoldi added by coinlocket$,
He have left 9 positive feedback starting from 2019-01-11, and also by local language. No any reference link or no any negative feedback.

User Micio  added by coinlocket$,
Although his all feedback old. He does not leaving feedback from last 2 month but all the feedback is positive, no any negative feedback there. 

@coinlocket$ can you please revise your custom list (DT2) ?
I've sent him a PM about this. Hopefully he will respond soon.

If there's any problem I can be removed from DT, I don't want to be an obstacle.

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January 17, 2019, 07:35:49 PM
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User duesoldi added by coinlocket$,
He have left 9 positive feedback starting from 2019-01-11, and also by local language. No any reference link or no any negative feedback.

User Micio  added by coinlocket$,
Although his all feedback old. He does not leaving feedback from last 2 month but all the feedback is positive, no any negative feedback there. 

@coinlocket$ can you please revise your custom list (DT2) ?
Imho, there was no reason to leave negative feedbacks or positive feedbacks before this change. I wasn't in DT so I would not have made any difference. Since 2014, every year I received and sent feedbacks when I trusted people or I completed a transaction. From now on I'll take more care about the trust system.
You should really revisit all of those ratings, especially if some of those accounts are now inactive (which makes them a liability). Maybe rewrite the ones on such accounts to neutral.

If there's any problem I can be removed from DT, I don't want to be an obstacle.
Would be great if you did what I just suggested. If you don't want to bother with it, or DT in general you can just ask coinlocket to remove you.

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January 17, 2019, 07:52:57 PM
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I'm not directly affected by who and who's not on the DT list, but stalking comments here really makes me wonder if any solution is ever going to work at all if everyone keeps monitoring everyone.

Are you all seriously going through everyones include/exclude list judging the people they added, calling them out on it, and expecting them to change it?

Others brigading and openly claims against other peoples judgements to get them excluded by other users.

Like I said I personally am not concerned with any of the above, but what the fuck js up with all this drama and gossip?

Isn't this whole system designed to generate a trust list from a (not yet) large pool of people? If this keeps up then in no time we're going to have a corroborating group of people, and if that group is ever bigger than half of the full DT1, then we're back to square one.

My point is : mind your own business, Set your own DT list. You can promote it, explain why you included/excluded this and that, argue with people on your own time.

But stop witch hunting people just because you disagree with their list choices. Theres a much better solution : Use your own damn vote to exclude them. If YOU dont agree with what they did, it doesnt mean you have to incite other users to do so too. Thats the goal of trust lists. If you start judging every lost on a micro-scale, its 100% bound to be subjective to each members opinion. But if all members agree to include one member (of course without collaborating or working on some mafia trust ring), you can then trust that that member is objectively trusted by the network.

A better way to steer this threas would be to discuss ratings on a much more macro scale. Stop judging every users list, and try to come up with guidelines that will make everyones list more objective and will help create a better network. Of course I say guidelines, because thats what they are. Someone not following them might have his own reasons, but if his own reasons happen to go in the completely opposite direction of everyone then he will quickly see himself excluded from DT.. Thats how networks work.

Just my 2 cents. You can send yours to 1KingZeeW97uLvngcUA3R6QJx18Fn78ddb

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My point is : mind your own business
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January 17, 2019, 08:05:01 PM
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My point is : mind your own business
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That is nonsense and doesn't work. If you are non-DT you can set your list to full of scammers if you wish, nobody should care. if you are DT, you affect everyone and thus are responsible for keeping a proper list. If you don't, then you should be willing to accept the consequences. Your post didn't need breaking down as it is just not worth it.

By what law are the last 2 users you discussed with coinlocket$ scammers?

Unless you're saying you can single handedly judge every user on this forum objectively? Why dont we all just use your own curated list then? Make it around 10 users and call it DefaultTrust! Oh wait...

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@lauda @Coolcryptovator if I'm not wrong I also added them on my trust list before entering on DT1 so I guess their DT2 rating is also unexpected for them.

I'm still understanding what to do since I was not expected to join the dt1, my feedback was prior to my dt1 rank, so their dt2 ranks is a surprise for them, but those are good people so, on one hand, I understand why I should remove them (low feedback activity) but on the other hand I trust those people.
I probably remove them in a few hours and re-add them on near future when they will be more active for forum even if till last week we got members on dt2 inactive for years and one with red trust.

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