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May 19, 2019, 12:11:06 PM
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Do you guys have any idea when I create a list , then to whom my 250 merit vote goes to?

I have no idea if theymos shared the formula and I think if he has not shared yet then he should.

Next thing I like to propose in voting that instead of taking eligibility solely dependent on number of people trusting you, it should be dependent on number of people trusting you - number of people distrusting you.

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May 19, 2019, 12:14:30 PM
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to whom my 250 merit vote goes to?

My understanding was it goes to all of them.

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Do you guys have any idea when I create a list , then to whom my 250 merit vote goes to?

I have no idea if theymos shared the formula and I think if he has not shared yet then he should.
It goes to the person to whom it would be "most useful". This is elaborated on here. You only get 1 vote for every multiple of 250 earned merit.

Each user's number of "votes" in the last two criteria will be limited to floor(earned_merit / (10 or 250, depending on the criteria)). If you trust more people than your limit, then you will vote for the people to whom your vote will be the most useful, more-or-less.

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May 19, 2019, 05:27:53 PM
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It goes to the person to whom it would be "most useful". This is elaborated on here. You only get 1 vote for every multiple of 250 earned merit.


This mathematical model is too complex. Is there any practical graph from some one DT list?
Or whatever I understood.it means that a graph for a single user cannot be created because nobody can determine "s" until all user voted, have their merit added to determine the total number of votes that are taking part in voting.



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May 20, 2019, 10:36:55 AM
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It goes to the person to whom it would be "most useful". This is elaborated on here. You only get 1 vote for every multiple of 250 earned merit.


This mathematical model is too complex. Is there any practical graph from some one DT list?
Or whatever I understood.it means that a graph for a single user cannot be created because nobody can determine "s" until all user voted, have their merit added to determine the total number of votes that are taking part in voting.




Arguably, "weights" (that depend on  number of votes) are assigned to DT1 candidates whose name are arranged   into some kind of stack either in descending or ascending order. Depending on the last,  algo uses  either LIFO or FIFO to move name from the  candidates  list to DT1 one.

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June 11, 2019, 06:22:54 AM
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Theymos updated DT1 today. I made a new list of DT1 and DT2 members (unfortunately, DT1 and trust scores are still based on last Saturday's Trust data dump, I will update this next Saturday).

Several users are now red-trusted. Remember this:
All that being said, I still discourage retaliatory ratings, and with these changes I encourage people to try to "bury the hatchet" and de-escalate rather than trying to use any increased retaliatory power you now have.

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Theymos updated DT1 today. I made a new list of DT1 and DT2 members (unfortunately, DT1 and trust scores are still based on last Saturday's Trust data dump, I will update this next Saturday).

Several users are now red-trusted. Remember this:
All that being said, I still discourage retaliatory ratings, and with these changes I encourage people to try to "bury the hatchet" and de-escalate rather than trying to use any increased retaliatory power you now have.

Did Theymos post the new requirements/changes somewhere?

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Did Theymos post the new requirements/changes somewhere?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117330.msg51424908#msg51424908

there's nothing here. message me if you want to put something here.
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Yeah I saw that post but it doesn't mention anything about new requirements, besides randomly selecting 100 users?!.

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DT1 update (June 11, 2019)

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mindrust             Trust list
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redsn0w             Trust list
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DireWolfM14         Trust list
mikeywith            Trust list
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Yeah I saw that post but it doesn't mention anything about new requirements, besides randomly selecting 100 users?!.
I guess theymos wants to keep the DT1 list limited to 100 users as more and more users become eligible for DT1, and this is just the solution he chose for the time being. I don't think there are any new requirements. Maybe more requirements should be put in place, or the current requirements be made more stringent, as the number of qualified users keep increasing.

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June 11, 2019, 06:55:18 AM
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Yeah I saw that post but it doesn't mention anything about new requirements, besides randomly selecting 100 users?!.
I don't think anything changed: DT1 is selected in the same way, then reduced to 100 members.

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June 11, 2019, 06:57:47 AM
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Several users are now red-trusted. Remember this:
All that being said, I still discourage retaliatory ratings, and with these changes I encourage people to try to "bury the hatchet" and de-escalate rather than trying to use any increased retaliatory power you now have.

Unfortunately that sentiment doesn't seem to be very popular around here :/



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June 11, 2019, 06:58:32 AM
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Yeah I saw that post but it doesn't mention anything about new requirements, besides randomly selecting 100 users?!.
I don't think anything changed: DT1 is selected in the same way, then reduced to 100 members.

Yeah, I figured that. I think it's an odd choice to randomly select them instead of looking at trust level, in/exclusions etc.

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June 11, 2019, 07:02:11 AM
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I think it's an odd choice to randomly select them instead of looking at trust level, in/exclusions etc.
Theymos wants to (more or less) decentralize DT1. By looking at trust and inclusions, the list would be mostly the same each month.
It's not ideal, but this at least gives more different users a chance to reach DT1.

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June 11, 2019, 07:03:25 AM
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Yeah I saw that post but it doesn't mention anything about new requirements, besides randomly selecting 100 users?!.
I don't think anything changed: DT1 is selected in the same way, then reduced to 100 members.

Yeah, I figured that. I think it's an odd choice to randomly select them instead of looking at trust level, in/exclusions etc.

I agree. Should definitely be based on rank of eligibility if capped at 100 members. Random just means peoples' trust ratings could fluctuate pretty intensely from month to month... Whatever, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

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June 11, 2019, 07:15:18 AM
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I think it's an odd choice to randomly select them instead of looking at trust level, in/exclusions etc.
Theymos wants to (more or less) decentralize DT1. By looking at trust and inclusions, the list would be mostly the same each month.
It's not ideal, but this at least gives more different users a chance to reach DT1.

I think trust level should be one of the main requirements for being DT(1). There are now several users in DT1 with a neutral trust level and no notable untrusted feedback, which is strange imo.

Yeah I saw that post but it doesn't mention anything about new requirements, besides randomly selecting 100 users?!.
I don't think anything changed: DT1 is selected in the same way, then reduced to 100 members.

Yeah, I figured that. I think it's an odd choice to randomly select them instead of looking at trust level, in/exclusions etc.

I agree. Should definitely be based on rank of eligibility if capped at 100 members. Random just means peoples' trust ratings could fluctuate pretty intensely from month to month... Whatever, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

Yeah true, I don't mind Theymos trying out several things to figure out what the best option is. I don't envy him for having to create a trust system Grin.

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June 11, 2019, 07:29:00 AM
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but this at least gives more different users a chance to reach DT1.
A month or 2 or 3 and then off the list and back on it again if you are lucky. To pick this list random is a bit of a weird solution, make spot 80/90 to 100  random for latest dt1 entries would fit better.
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I was always intending to choose a random subset of 100 once more than 100 became eligible. This creates more people who have a credible threat of retaliation: if you give someone negative trust for some stupid reason, you have reason to worry about them or a close friend of theirs negative-trusting you for a similarly stupid reason, if not in this month, then in a future month. I think that it pushes people (without forcing people) toward acting in-line with consensus, so that any retaliation against your sent negative trust always gets the sender excluded definitively.

IMO it'd be nice if in the future it's a subset of 100 among a pool of 250+.

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