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June 12, 2019, 05:40:56 AM
Last edit: June 12, 2019, 06:03:05 AM by mindrust
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I had no idea mindrust was Turkish, he’s a cool guy. I like him a lot.

@Lauda - kedi is cat in Turkish, according to google.

I believe I told you about it several times already. You weren't paying attention LFC. Smiley I like tou too.

Btw I have no idea how Lauda missed me. On the contrary of what the other guy says, I post in the Turkish forum from time to time. Just not overdoing it. (I am also against the circlejerking gangs)

If anyone cares, this is how I think about the new system:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg51430762#msg51430762

achow101 is a core developer (or contributor) as far as I know. (and a forum staff member) Why did he get removed is beyond me. If he doesn't deserve to be a DT1 member, why the fuck do I?

Anyway I am happy to be included in DT1 but tbh I don't really care. Actually, I don't want to care.

Being a DT member gets you into drama. I don't want any of it.

Here comes the drama.

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June 12, 2019, 05:56:11 AM
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Well, that's a change Cheesy I'll need some time to process this, maybe probably it's for the better, but it looks like theymos now officially got himself a part-time job as a quasi-lawyer?

I am one of the world's foremost experts on quasi-law, after all. Surely you've read my widely-cited article in the Journal of Laws or Whatever titled, "A new approach to the rigorous design of legal systems: just worry about it later."

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June 12, 2019, 06:20:38 AM
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The current way for entry is too easy. EFS basically single-handedly introduced several random people from his section by merit gifting them over the past few months. Are any of these people trustworthy or have shown relevant, and proper judgement in trust-related matters? Nope.


I have to agree this is true, and most of these newly minted hero members of the Turkish forum (and some of their lower ranked buddies) seem to be always acting in lockstep unison, like a hive minded tribe, is that ok & ethical ? I can totally understand why an independent observer wouldn't consider the current state of the Turkish forums democratic, meritocratic or fair in any way...

FACT#2: At least 5-6 guys on the Turkish forums orchestrated tremendous collusion on telegram for the purpose of exchanging merits back and forth between themselves here and then recommending each others' posts constantly to local and global merit sources, is that all right as well (a few of these guys have already been banned for other reasons by the way)?

Now a good number of that same group of people seem to be rooting for each other for DT lists. If these are all valid tactics to become green trusted hero / legendary members with the hopes of landing some lucrative bounties in the future, then congratulations to them I guess Smiley

In all honesty, I can guarantee you there are really high quality and intellectual posters on the Turkish forums, but some of them have been discouraged by the strange things going on there (and rarely even post anymore), so a more democratic & organic approach to Merit and Trust distribution for the Turkish section would be hugely appreciated.
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June 12, 2019, 06:23:00 AM
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The current way for entry is too easy. EFS basically single-handedly introduced several random people from his section by merit gifting them over the past few months. Are any of these people trustworthy or have shown relevant, and proper judgement in trust-related matters? Nope.
I have to agree this is true, and most of these newly minted hero members of the Turkish forum (and some of their lower ranked buddies) seem to be always acting in lockstep unison, like a hive minded tribe, is that ok & ethical ? I can totally understand why an independent observer wouldn't consider the current state of the Turkish forums democratic, meritocratic or fair in any way...

FACT#2: At least 5-6 guys on the Turkish forums orchestrated tremendous collusion on telegram for the purpose of exchanging merits back and forth between themselves here and then recommending each other's posts constantly to local and global merit sources, is that all right as well (a few of these guys have already been banned for other reasons by the way)?

Now a good number of that same group of people seem to be rooting for each other for DT lists. If these are all valid tactics to become green trusted hero / legendary members with the hopes of landing some lucrative bounties in the future, then congratulations to them I guess Smiley

In all honesty, I can guarantee you there are really high quality and intellectual posters on the Turkish forums, but some of them have been discouraged by the strange things going on there (and rarely even post anymore), so a more democratic & organic approach to Merit and Trust distribution for the Turkish section would be hugely appreciated.
I wonder what they'll do now, since they can't cry the racism card on you. Roll Eyes I'll work with you to get some more input on that exclusion list.

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June 12, 2019, 07:24:19 AM
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While I will reserve my judgement of the outcome of the new trust system implementations, I must say I find them highly encouraging and I very much support the intent if not the outcome. Good work Theymos.

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June 12, 2019, 08:05:05 AM
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4) A few users have been PM'd about this, some of which are in the exclusion list[1].
[1] I took the opposite path of getting adequate number of exclusions and went straight to the root of the problem. You can follow this in order to see how pawns will not behave according to your theory.
Hello.

I'm suggesting that you remove the following user from your trust lists: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=158678. Leaving him in there means that you trust the judgement of a fraud, which in return means that your own judgement is compromised.
goraset is a well known and popular figure in the Turkish community.
He contributes to the community with his article translations.
The negative rating given does not change my confidence in him.
however, I will remove it from my list due to your warning.
Do I get your permission to publish your response?
You can publish.
Case proven: He only removed the fraud/scammer because I mentioned that I will have to exclude him due to such inclusions, not because the user is actually a scammer. Have fun.

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June 12, 2019, 11:40:32 AM
Last edit: June 12, 2019, 12:00:52 PM by Matthias9515
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I wonder what they'll do now, since they can't cry the racism card on you. Roll Eyes I'll work with you to get some more input on that exclusion list.

I don't know why Vispilio slander but i want him to prove his claims. This election was fair and natural, people know Theymos can see all ip logs.

And you are still racist.
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June 12, 2019, 12:04:35 PM
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I am one of the world's foremost experts on quasi-law, after all. Surely you've read my widely-cited article in the Journal of Laws or Whatever titled, "A new approach to the rigorous design of legal systems: just worry about it later."

I especially like your cod quasi-legalese jargon.
Did you type the following with a quill stylus?

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violated a casual or implied agreement, resulting in damages, in the specific act referenced 

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make the victims of this act roughly whole, AND it is not the case that all of the victims forgave the act. It is not grossly inaccurate to say that the act occurred


Extraordinary Claims require Extraordinary Evidence
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June 12, 2019, 02:15:46 PM
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I am one of the world's foremost experts on quasi-law, after all. Surely you've read my widely-cited article in the Journal of Laws or Whatever titled, "A new approach to the rigorous design of legal systems: just worry about it later."

I especially like your cod quasi-legalese jargon.
Did you type the following with a quill stylus?

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violated a casual or implied agreement, resulting in damages, in the specific act referenced 

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make the victims of this act roughly whole, AND it is not the case that all of the victims forgave the act. It is not grossly inaccurate to say that the act occurred

Agreed. Kudos for preempting the semantic circus and being specific. You can definitely tell he consulted some legal guides  Tongue

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