T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion

[mm2543363580]

What you have posted is definitely true, but I don't think that it will be very ethical from the part of the BCCI to do so. They are receiving billions of USD from the IPL, and there is no justification to ask for a larger share from the ICC funds as well. Those funds should be evenly distributed (i.e equal amounts for all the test nations and a significant portion should go to the associate nations). There will be damage for the ICC if India pulls out of the ICC tournaments. But financial loss will be there for the BCCI as well.

ICC must cut funding's of big boards that are getting too much money from IPL and spend that on under developed countries where there is great potential for cricket like Afghanistan and Nepal. Cricket is not involving more countries in its ecosystem, last time we have a new test nation was Bangladesh in 1999. Since then there is no country getting test status, this clearly tells what ICC is doing.

[GbitG]

What you have posted is definitely true, but I don't think that it will be very ethical from the part of the BCCI to do so. They are receiving billions of USD from the IPL, and there is no justification to ask for a larger share from the ICC funds as well. Those funds should be evenly distributed (i.e equal amounts for all the test nations and a significant portion should go to the associate nations). There will be damage for the ICC if India pulls out of the ICC tournaments. But financial loss will be there for the BCCI as well.

ICC must cut funding's of big boards that are getting too much money from IPL and spend that on under developed countries where there is great potential for cricket like Afghanistan and Nepal. Cricket is not involving more countries in its ecosystem, last time we have a new test nation was Bangladesh in 1999. Since then there is no country getting test status, this clearly tells what ICC is doing.

ICC can't take these decisions without help from all boards, and it's not guaranteed because IPL is BCCI internal issue, and they will not take any dictation from ICC about their policies and internal issues. In near future we are going to have some better system in cricket like we have in UEFA and some boards will be able to have some good income from their leagues and these ICC events will be not popular as currently we have, so this could be good for many boards will be able to develop cricket and have better grassroots with this all its just matter of time which is coming in near future. Specially after success of 10 Leagues now, I am sure we will are going to have some good changes in this game.

[mm2543363580]

ICC can't take these decisions without help from all boards, and it's not guaranteed because IPL is BCCI internal issue, and they will not take any dictation from ICC about their policies and internal issues. In near future we are going to have some better system in cricket like we have in UEFA and some boards will be able to have some good income from their leagues and these ICC events will be not popular as currently we have, so this could be good for many boards will be able to develop cricket and have better grassroots with this all its just matter of time which is coming in near future. Specially after success of 10 Leagues now, I am sure we will are going to have some good changes in this game.

How can a league be internal matter of a board? Its ICC who do not schedule any event during IPL duration and thats main reason why IPL is successful. We know ICC is not as strong as FIFA and FIBA, mostly its big 3 that controls the ICC. Small leagues get no attention, so they wont generate much revenue.

[GbitG]

ICC can't take these decisions without help from all boards, and it's not guaranteed because IPL is BCCI internal issue, and they will not take any dictation from ICC about their policies and internal issues. In near future we are going to have some better system in cricket like we have in UEFA and some boards will be able to have some good income from their leagues and these ICC events will be not popular as currently we have, so this could be good for many boards will be able to develop cricket and have better grassroots with this all its just matter of time which is coming in near future. Specially after success of 10 Leagues now, I am sure we will are going to have some good changes in this game.

How can a league be internal matter of a board? Its ICC who do not schedule any event during IPL duration and thats main reason why IPL is successful. We know ICC is not as strong as FIFA and FIBA, mostly its big 3 that controls the ICC. Small leagues get no attention, so they wont generate much revenue.

It's just because of money which is BCCI giving them, and it's not for cricket development it's all just for their deep pockets, so they are not scheduling any event during this time. Few years back Australia and England were completely holding all matters in ICC, and they never listen to any other boards now it's changed and India is controlling, and they are using all their power for having better benefits and financial advantage so just because of this all its BCCI internal issue ICC had no enough power to do any change in this. Small boards need to adjust with this all because they never compete with India right now, so just have their share of this game and enjoy.

[lixer]

ICC knows exactly whats the financial worth of every board they talk with them accordingly. ICC and BCCI both goes hand in hand, since its ICC who stops cricket for two months for IPL. If India want more share from ICC then ICC need more cricket and new countries joining in. Its best in interest of Big 3 that new countries wont join the cricket eco system.

What you said isn't false but there is more to it.

First of all, yes during the IPL time the entire world is hardly playing competitive cricket but part of that is because TOP players from around the world come to India to play the IPL and their boards are paid hefty amounts to let the NOC for the player to pay in the league.

Secondly, ICC is not a rich board and depends on the earnings from individual boards so while the logic says they should support smaller regions, the reality is that ICC can't afford it.

[jostorres]

It doesn't matter how BCCI has earned it, the discussion is now bcci is using it for its own political gains. They are doing what England and Australia do with small boards previously. As you said bcci and pcb both started moment together but bcci now has zero tolerance towards PCB because of political reasons.

Not sure of the political gains but I agree that the cricket board is being highly controlled and even manipulated by the bigger countries mainly India, earlier in the 1990s Australia and even England to some degree.

Anyone remembers there used to be a Champions League which was such a refreshing aspect but was cut down because certain countries were not making enough money from it and that shows the level of manipulation that exists in cricket and leagues. It also depends who is the chairman of the ICC because if more decisions are made with money in their mind, it will soon get rogue.

[pakhitheboss]

It doesn't matter how BCCI has earned it, the discussion is now bcci is using it for its own political gains. They are doing what England and Australia do with small boards previously. As you said bcci and pcb both started moment together but bcci now has zero tolerance towards PCB because of political reasons.

Not sure of the political gains but I agree that the cricket board is being highly controlled and even manipulated by the bigger countries mainly India, earlier in the 1990s Australia and even England to some degree.

Anyone remembers there used to be a Champions League which was such a refreshing aspect but was cut down because certain countries were not making enough money from it and that shows the level of manipulation that exists in cricket and leagues. It also depends who is the chairman of the ICC because if more decisions are made with money in their mind, it will soon get rogue.

What will the chaiman of ICC do here? ICC is being controlled by these big boards because of the enormous contribution that they get from them. BCCI cannot work outside the Indian government jurisdiction. The Indian government does not want to keep ties with Pakistan and the same has been followed by the BCCI.

[Sithara007]

Let's say ICC gives nod to another structural reforms on revenue model and every one is entitled (Test playing nation) to receive equal amount of money. for example $120 Million each.

Ireland's population = 5 million    Revenue contribution = 0.00001%  
India's population = 1.35 Billion   Revenue contribution = More than 70%  

Does that look logical at all? I don't buy this argument of "Equal amount" anymore. BCCI contribute 70%-80% of revenue and after collapse of BIG-3 model they gets 20%-28% of amount back, if you reduce BCCI share now then it would turn into modern version of colonisation in cricket. Where everyone sucking out resources from only one cricketing nation. BTW BCCI is only reason ICC is able to subsidise every associate nation atm and you really want to kill the golden goose?

Whatever you have posted is factually correct and no one is going to argue against those points. All I am asking is that the ICC should follow the same approach being taken by the other sports federations such as FIH, FIFA and FIBA. None of the other federations distribute money as per the population of a particular country (even if that is the case, then China should be receiving more funds from the ICC, since they are also an associate member). Anyway, for me the best solution would be something that is mutually beneficial - the pig-3 agree for more ICC tournaments. If so, the ICC revenues would increase and they can continue with the higher share for BCCI.

[CDC AP]

It doesn't matter how BCCI has earned it, the discussion is now bcci is using it for its own political gains. They are doing what England and Australia do with small boards previously. As you said bcci and pcb both started moment together but bcci now has zero tolerance towards PCB because of political reasons.

Not sure of the political gains but I agree that the cricket board is being highly controlled and even manipulated by the bigger countries mainly India, earlier in the 1990s Australia and even England to some degree.

Anyone remembers there used to be a Champions League which was such a refreshing aspect but was cut down because certain countries were not making enough money from it and that shows the level of manipulation that exists in cricket and leagues. It also depends who is the chairman of the ICC because if more decisions are made with money in their mind, it will soon get rogue.

What will the chaiman of ICC do here? ICC is being controlled by these big boards because of the enormous contribution that they get from them. BCCI cannot work outside the Indian government jurisdiction. The Indian government does not want to keep ties with Pakistan and the same has been followed by the BCCI.

Yes exactly there is nothing that ICC can do about it. This is the internal matter of BCCI and Indian government and ICC cannot force BCCI about it. And I dont see this happening in next 5 years as well. Apart from ICC tournaments we will not see India vs Pakistan matches.

[coinism]

What will the chaiman of ICC do here? ICC is being controlled by these big boards because of the enormous contribution that they get from them. BCCI cannot work outside the Indian government jurisdiction. The Indian government does not want to keep ties with Pakistan and the same has been followed by the BCCI.

Pakistan and India matches are always excited to see. There is more scope of India Pakistan series then Ashes. England and Australia are playing Ashes for decades regardless of what there government relationships were, why can't Pakistan and India keep playing with each other ? It will give huge financial benefits to both boards.

[TheGreatPython]

What will the chaiman of ICC do here? ICC is being controlled by these big boards because of the enormous contribution that they get from them. BCCI cannot work outside the Indian government jurisdiction. The Indian government does not want to keep ties with Pakistan and the same has been followed by the BCCI.

Pakistan and India matches are always excited to see. There is more scope of India Pakistan series then Ashes. England and Australia are playing Ashes for decades regardless of what there government relationships were, why can't Pakistan and India keep playing with each other ? It will give huge financial benefits to both boards.

Here all statements are good about India and Pakistan relationship have no sympathy from anyone, and sadly we are not good enough to do things like UEFA which is the worst part of this area.

I agree that we have no change in next 5 to 10 years and this is not talk able because no party wants to have soft policy for other side, specially now as India is having more control in ICC. Finances are having very big impact in current covid-19 era and India will never allow giving any benefit to them and ICC can't do anything, it's just PCB who has to settle thing for there survive in cricket community.

[galambo]

Here all statements are good about India and Pakistan relationship have no sympathy from anyone, and sadly we are not good enough to do things like UEFA which is the worst part of this area.

I agree that we have no change in next 5 to 10 years and this is not talk able because no party wants to have soft policy for other side, specially now as India is having more control in ICC. Finances are having very big impact in current covid-19 era and India will never allow giving any benefit to them and ICC can't do anything, it's just PCB who has to settle thing for there survive in cricket community.

So we will not see Pak India bilateral series in coming 5 to 10 years. BCCI is getting so much money they can easily sacrifice series with india. Even IPL has zero impact on Pakistan exclusion. Bitter reality is that both pak and India are willing to maintain relations with others but not willing to help each other.

[GbitG]

Here all statements are good about India and Pakistan relationship have no sympathy from anyone, and sadly we are not good enough to do things like UEFA which is the worst part of this area.

I agree that we have no change in next 5 to 10 years and this is not talk able because no party wants to have soft policy for other side, specially now as India is having more control in ICC. Finances are having very big impact in current covid-19 era and India will never allow giving any benefit to them and ICC can't do anything, it's just PCB who has to settle thing for there survive in cricket community.

So we will not see Pak India bilateral series in coming 5 to 10 years. BCCI is getting so much money they can easily sacrifice series with india. Even IPL has zero impact on Pakistan exclusion. Bitter reality is that both pak and India are willing to maintain relations with others but not willing to help each other.

Mate, It's really not easy to have things normal because in last few years hate business is doing good for all politicians, so hopes are ended, and just ICC is having few events where these can play but in bilateral now it's all end. Kashmir is the biggest issue and no one want to withdraw from this, so It's going to be nothing good in favour of peoples from these two countries. Secondly now recently statements from extreme Hindu groups heating this all.

[galambo]

Mate, It's really not easy to have things normal because in last few years hate business is doing good for all politicians, so hopes are ended, and just ICC is having few events where these can play but in bilateral now it's all end. Kashmir is the biggest issue and no one want to withdraw from this, so It's going to be nothing good in favour of peoples from these two countries. Secondly now recently statements from extreme Hindu groups heating this all.

AFAIk Kashmir is the main cause of tension for both Pakistan and India for last 50 years (thanks to England for creating another problem in the world). But Pakistan and India are playing in 90s and 2000s, it seems like tension is high because of current governments. So its people who will suffer by not watching this interesting series.   

[JSRAW]

Let's say ICC gives nod to another structural reforms on revenue model and every one is entitled (Test playing nation) to receive equal amount of money. for example $120 Million each.

Ireland's population = 5 million    Revenue contribution = 0.00001%  
India's population = 1.35 Billion   Revenue contribution = More than 70%  

Does that look logical at all? I don't buy this argument of "Equal amount" anymore. BCCI contribute 70%-80% of revenue and after collapse of BIG-3 model they gets 20%-28% of amount back, if you reduce BCCI share now then it would turn into modern version of colonisation in cricket. Where everyone sucking out resources from only one cricketing nation. BTW BCCI is only reason ICC is able to subsidise every associate nation atm and you really want to kill the golden goose?

Whatever you have posted is factually correct and no one is going to argue against those points. All I am asking is that the ICC should follow the same approach being taken by the other sports federations such as FIH, FIFA and FIBA. None of the other federations distribute money as per the population of a particular country (even if that is the case, then China should be receiving more funds from the ICC, since they are also an associate member). Anyway, for me the best solution would be something that is mutually beneficial - the pig-3 agree for more ICC tournaments. If so, the ICC revenues would increase and they can continue with the higher share for BCCI.

You can compare hockey, football etc with cricketing ecosystem but only when there is only 1 format especially shorter format T-20. If not then i believe cricket is more complex and in present situation it has at least 5 version of formats. 3 international (T-20, ODI, Test) and 2 underdeveloped formats - The 100 ball, T-10 and we're not equipped or have will to monetise all formats.

I think i have said this before that only long term solution would be to allow more associate member to participate in T-20 WC (24 teams tournament), that's where big bucks are made. There would be chaos at start for sure, in terms of revenue loss and dud fixtures but this could potentially solve some problems, as far as self sustainability by smaller boards and spreading the game are concern.

[galambo]

I think i have said this before that only long term solution would be to allow more associate member to participate in T-20 WC (24 teams tournament), that's where big bucks are made. There would be chaos at start for sure, in terms of revenue loss and dud fixtures but this could potentially solve some problems, as far as self sustainability by smaller boards and spreading the game are concern.

There are 32 teams in FIFA WC and with few exception all are up to standard of playing the WC. In cricket level of associate teams are too low, there matches with test playing team is of no match. See recent T20 WC, there is hardly any noticeable performance from associate team like Scotland, Oman etc.

[Theones]

There are 32 teams in FIFA WC and with few exception all are up to standard of playing the WC. In cricket level of associate teams are too low, there matches with test playing team is of no match. See recent T20 WC, there is hardly any noticeable performance from associate team like Scotland, Oman etc.

but cricket cant progress with only 10 test teams, you have to include more teams in ICC tournament. Associate teams players will get confidence and we see more players joining in from there countries. It need ICC effort and the main reason ICC is not doing is because they have to spend lot of money for that initially.

[Juggy777]

Let's say ICC gives nod to another structural reforms on revenue model and every one is entitled (Test playing nation) to receive equal amount of money. for example $120 Million each.

Ireland's population = 5 million    Revenue contribution = 0.00001%  
India's population = 1.35 Billion   Revenue contribution = More than 70%  

Does that look logical at all? I don't buy this argument of "Equal amount" anymore. BCCI contribute 70%-80% of revenue and after collapse of BIG-3 model they gets 20%-28% of amount back, if you reduce BCCI share now then it would turn into modern version of colonisation in cricket. Where everyone sucking out resources from only one cricketing nation. BTW BCCI is only reason ICC is able to subsidise every associate nation atm and you really want to kill the golden goose?

Whatever you have posted is factually correct and no one is going to argue against those points. All I am asking is that the ICC should follow the same approach being taken by the other sports federations such as FIH, FIFA and FIBA. None of the other federations distribute money as per the population of a particular country (even if that is the case, then China should be receiving more funds from the ICC, since they are also an associate member). Anyway, for me the best solution would be something that is mutually beneficial - the pig-3 agree for more ICC tournaments. If so, the ICC revenues would increase and they can continue with the higher share for BCCI.

You can compare hockey, football etc with cricketing ecosystem but only when there is only 1 format especially shorter format T-20. If not then i believe cricket is more complex and in present situation it has at least 5 version of formats. 3 international (T-20, ODI, Test) and 2 underdeveloped formats - The 100 ball, T-10 and we're not equipped or have will to monetise all formats.

I think i have said this before that only long term solution would be to allow more associate member to participate in T-20 WC (24 teams tournament), that's where big bucks are made. There would be chaos at start for sure, in terms of revenue loss and dud fixtures but this could potentially solve some problems, as far as self sustainability by smaller boards and spreading the game are concern.

@JSRAW I don’t think ICC will ever try to take BCCI out of the equation, because they very well know that BCCI can start their own tournaments and completely bury ICC revenues.

Lastly out of curiosity say ICC were to make it a 24 team T20 World Cup then which teams would be added? because I know only few teams, and even then I can’t reach the 24 teams count needed for your idea to be implemented.

[Theones]

@JSRAW I don’t think ICC will ever try to take BCCI out of the equation, because they very well know that BCCI can start their own tournaments and completely bury ICC revenues.

Lastly out of curiosity say ICC were to make it a 24 team T20 World Cup then which teams would be added? because I know only few teams, and even then I can’t reach the 24 teams count needed for your idea to be implemented.

If 24 teams are not possible then add as many as possible. Try to add atleast one or two team from every continent like FIFA do. I remember Ricky Ponting once opposed addition of associate teams in WC, Ponting says fewer teams is better for World Cup. It's clear that  big boards don't want more countries to join in.

[JSRAW]

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24 teams tournament

@JSRAW I don’t think ICC will ever try to take BCCI out of the equation, because they very well know that BCCI can start their own tournaments and completely bury ICC revenues.

Lastly out of curiosity say ICC were to make it a 24 team T20 World Cup then which teams would be added? because I know only few teams, and even then I can’t reach the 24 teams count needed for your idea to be implemented.

We already have 10 usual suspects (Ind +Eng+Pak+Ban +Sa+Afg + Aus +Nz + WI +SL ). As of now few names comes into my mind such as Ireland + Zimbabwe +UAE + Singapore + Nepal +  Netherlands + Oman + Namibia + Qatar + Papua New Guinea then add few more teams so i think its not a impossible task to create new set up if ICC gets their act together and willing to do some meaningful change.