Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[mersal]

Being an Indian citizen, I have to say that it is very easy to forge the date of birth column in the high school mark sheet. At the time of joining, the parents usually lower the age of their child by 6 months or an year and this new date of birth is then continued with every document such as Aadhar Card, Voter ID.etc. Most of the time, it goes on without any suspicion. However, in some cases, as a result of the physical appearance of the individual he gets caught and if he is unlucky, then he'll be sent for the bone-density test.

It is really strange as there is no mandatory to register when the child is born and that is usually done through hospital and on seeing these situation it is really strange someone to reduce their age as it is not fair for the other kids who are competing against them and these sort of malpractices should be given strict punishment so that someone's opportunity is robbed by these actions. What is the accuracy level when you test bone density to determine age .

As per the law, mandatory birth registration is there. But even now, the coverage is low in the rural areas. And you can imagine the situation we had 15 or 20 years back, when the data was not stored digitally. A lot many times, the compiled data would be lost (either due to natural disasters such as flood, or due to accidents such as fire). And the penalty given to the offenders is not very serious and it actually encourages such crime. For example, Delhi player Prince Ram Niwas Yadav was found to have faked his age in a domestic U-19 tournament two months back. He was only given a two-year suspension (BCCI could have banned him for life). In his case, he was 24 year old but claimed that he was 19 so that he could participate in the U19 tournament.

AFAIK,every born child should be registered withing the time frame from being born is mandatory to get birth certificate but here we have more corrupted government officials so we can pay some money as bribe and can register at any time when we want.Note: we can also take birth certificate for a person who doesn't even born in India.

[eaLiTy]

AFAIK,every born child should be registered withing the time frame from being born is mandatory to get birth certificate but here we have more corrupted government officials so we can pay some money as bribe and can register at any time when we want.Note: we can also take birth certificate for a person who doesn't even born in India.

I am not deputing your claims as corruption is prevalent in India but from my experience dealing with people all around India what i found is that majority of the people from North of India does not go to hospitals when they are pregnant instead they deliver the child at home with the help of local nurse who does not have a degree from a medical school but who have the skills passed on through generation and hence they do not have a clear idea about the exact date of birth but having a different year of birth is fraudulent but it is happening because the authorities is also not having any idea about their real birth and they will accept what the parents claim.
Even i was shocked to hear this in the beginning but it is what it is and that is the fact.

[Vishnu.Reang]

AFAIK,every born child should be registered withing the time frame from being born is mandatory to get birth certificate but here we have more corrupted government officials so we can pay some money as bribe and can register at any time when we want.Note: we can also take birth certificate for a person who doesn't even born in India.

I am not deputing your claims as corruption is prevalent in India but from my experience dealing with people all around India what i found is that majority of the people from North of India does not go to hospitals when they are pregnant instead they deliver the child at home with the help of local nurse who does not have a degree from a medical school but who have the skills passed on through generation and hence they do not have a clear idea about the exact date of birth but having a different year of birth is fraudulent but it is happening because the authorities is also not having any idea about their real birth and they will accept what the parents claim.
Even i was shocked to hear this in the beginning but it is what it is and that is the fact.

That was the case 10-15 years back, but even in states like Bihar the majority of the births take place in hospitals now. Also, Aadhar card has been made mandatory in accessing government services and therefore the biometric information is recorded now, along with other details such as DOB. But then, India is a country of 1.4 billion people (expected to hit 3 billion by the end of this century) and we can't expect the system to cover each and every individual living here.

[JSRAW]

Replying here.. in the Test Thread..

In the recent years, India has performed well in overseas pitches that supported pace bowling. But this was mostly due to the effort put in by seam bowlers such as Mohammad Shami and Ishant Sharma, as well as due to consistent performances with the bat by Virat Kohli. But the spinners and the other batsmen have not yet proved themselves in such conditions. And therefore, New Zealand has a real chance of upsetting India.

Why would any consider it as an upset as New Zealand does perform better in their own back ground and if they prepare green wickets India does have the fast bowling pedigree to challenge any team and the Indian batting depends upon Virat Kohli and if he fails to deliver they loose the match and that is what we saw in the ODI.

Indian pacers (Ishant, Shami, Bumrah.etc) will perform on green pitches. But the problem is with the batsmen. During the past, none of the batsmen (apart from Virat Kohli) have performed consistently on pitches that are supportive of pace bowling. And the performance of spinners on such surfaces have been pathetic as well. Kuldeep Yadav and Yuzvendra Chahal may be better when compared to Ravichandran Ashwin in this regard, but even their bowling has been below par.

Highlight of SENA's Tour - Mix bag of performance for batsmen-

2018 South Africa tour was failure for all batsmen and all of them performed in patches Hardik 93 runs, Kohli's 150 score, Rohit 40+ score comes into my mind when every batsmen were struggling.

2018-19 England tour, again failure for Indian batsmen, Kohli was exceptional and then Pant / KL Rahul century (They are out anyway)

2018-19 Australia tour, Indian batsmen did good here. New openers Shaw and Mayank looked good, Pujara was man of the series, Rahane was in good form and Virat contributed as well but not according to his reputation.

Coming back to upcoming Test series. As of now no news on Ishant's injury so who know if he miss the first game. Navdeep saini or Umesh yadav are waiting. For spin, chances are Ashwin going to play first test and i wouldn't be very surprise if Jadeja make it into playing XI unless virat is planning to use Vihari as part-time bowler

[pakhitheboss]

Being an Indian citizen, I have to say that it is very easy to forge the date of birth column in the high school mark sheet. At the time of joining, the parents usually lower the age of their child by 6 months or an year and this new date of birth is then continued with every document such as Aadhar Card, Voter ID.etc. Most of the time, it goes on without any suspicion. However, in some cases, as a result of the physical appearance of the individual he gets caught and if he is unlucky, then he'll be sent for the bone-density test.

It is really strange as there is no mandatory to register when the child is born and that is usually done through hospital and on seeing these situation it is really strange someone to reduce their age as it is not fair for the other kids who are competing against them and these sort of malpractices should be given strict punishment so that someone's opportunity is robbed by these actions. What is the accuracy level when you test bone density to determine age .

As per the law, mandatory birth registration is there. But even now, the coverage is low in the rural areas. And you can imagine the situation we had 15 or 20 years back, when the data was not stored digitally. A lot many times, the compiled data would be lost (either due to natural disasters such as flood, or due to accidents such as fire). And the penalty given to the offenders is not very serious and it actually encourages such crime. For example, Delhi player Prince Ram Niwas Yadav was found to have faked his age in a domestic U-19 tournament two months back. He was only given a two-year suspension (BCCI could have banned him for life). In his case, he was 24 year old but claimed that he was 19 so that he could participate in the U19 tournament.

After the implementation of Adhar card Indo not think it is easy for anyone to manipulate Birth date in India. If I am correct the government does verify all the details submitted in Adhard card with the central database.

Every Gram panchayat and local municipal corporation are issuing Birth certificate. 15 years ago it was a completely different thing. It is very hard now to fake Birth certificate, after the digitalization of data done by UID.

[erikalui]

So in today's warm up test match also India performed badly. The opening batsmen got out at 0 and 1 and Pujara and Vihari were the only ones to score runs in the match. Shubman Gill gave an IV few days back and looked confident but he also made 0 today. The new batsmen are either fooling themselves or viewers or will claim that it was a warm-up match so it's OK. Last time also they lost against NZ in warm-ups and in the semi-final match.

[JSRAW]

So in today's warm up test match also India performed badly. The opening batsmen got out at 0 and 1 and Pujara and Vihari were the only ones to score runs in the match. Shubman Gill gave an IV few days back and looked confident but he also made 0 today. The new batsmen are either fooling themselves or viewers or will claim that it was a warm-up match so it's OK. Last time also they lost against NZ in warm-ups and in the semi-final match.

Atleast middle order performed well in the first inning. Openers Prithvi and Mayank are key in this series, i would say defining players for future so give it some time. man i want to see Shubam gill in middle order, fine batsman and beautiful to watch when he bats, i dare to say Porn for Traditional fans.

[pakhitheboss]

So in today's warm up test match also India performed badly. The opening batsmen got out at 0 and 1 and Pujara and Vihari were the only ones to score runs in the match. Shubman Gill gave an IV few days back and looked confident but he also made 0 today. The new batsmen are either fooling themselves or viewers or will claim that it was a warm-up match so it's OK. Last time also they lost against NZ in warm-ups and in the semi-final match.

It is just a warm-up match, it would be incorrect to come into any conclusions about the teams performace or individual players. They are professionals and they know what improvement are needed.

I have high hopes with Prithvi Shaw this time, this guy is good batsmen in a five day format. Hopefully he performs to his full potential.

[erikalui]

Atleast middle order performed well in the first inning. Openers Prithvi and Mayank are key in this series, i would say defining players for future so give it some time. man i want to see Shubam gill in middle order, fine batsman and beautiful to watch when he bats, i dare to say Porn for Traditional fans.

I'm more scared because our opening batsmen are not performing and have let the team down since the ODI and if they don't perform, the other team players would feel the heat as it's a test series and not an ODI. Lack of form is worse than lack of experience. Middle order performed well and saved the team's name. Happy to see Virat taking rest.

It is just a warm-up match, it would be incorrect to come into any conclusions about the teams performace or individual players. They are professionals and they know what improvement are needed.

I have high hopes with Prithvi Shaw this time, this guy is good batsmen in a five day format. Hopefully he performs to his full potential.

It being a warm up match is the saving grace. Since, India is ranking first in test series, don't want them to lose and still most playing are new and not in form so this warm up match could help them perform but they didn't. This score doesn't look promising lol: http://prntscr.com/r289vt

[JSRAW]

Atleast middle order performed well in the first inning. Openers Prithvi and Mayank are key in this series, i would say defining players for future so give it some time. man i want to see Shubam gill in middle order, fine batsman and beautiful to watch when he bats, i dare to say Porn for Traditional fans.

I'm more scared because our opening batsmen are not performing and have let the team down since the ODI and if they don't perform, the other team players would feel the heat as it's a test series and not an ODI. Lack of form is worse than lack of experience. Middle order performed well and saved the team's name. Happy to see Virat taking rest.

Yeah it can turn into nightmare but i am optimistic and would say if opening partnership can survive atleast first 15 overs then Indian team can expect good results even openers get out cheaply. In Sena countries New ball is key and in recent time New Zealand pitches are prepared in such way that it favors Batsmen, look at recent England and India A tour of New Zealand.

[pakhitheboss]

Atleast middle order performed well in the first inning. Openers Prithvi and Mayank are key in this series, i would say defining players for future so give it some time. man i want to see Shubam gill in middle order, fine batsman and beautiful to watch when he bats, i dare to say Porn for Traditional fans.

I'm more scared because our opening batsmen are not performing and have let the team down since the ODI and if they don't perform, the other team players would feel the heat as it's a test series and not an ODI. Lack of form is worse than lack of experience. Middle order performed well and saved the team's name. Happy to see Virat taking rest.

It is just a warm-up match, it would be incorrect to come into any conclusions about the teams performace or individual players. They are professionals and they know what improvement are needed.

I have high hopes with Prithvi Shaw this time, this guy is good batsmen in a five day format. Hopefully he performs to his full potential.

It being a warm up match is the saving grace. Since, India is ranking first in test series, don't want them to lose and still most playing are new and not in form so this warm up match could help them perform but they didn't. This score doesn't look promising lol: http://prntscr.com/r289vt

I am thinking about the test match differently. These new players have already lost their opportunity to cement their position in one day cricket. Forthcoming test matches will give them another opportunity to cement their place in the test squad.

If they do not perform then they will lose it big time.

[ene1980]

It being a warm up match is the saving grace. Since, India is ranking first in test series, don't want them to lose and still most playing are new and not in form so this warm up match could help them perform but they didn't.

Warm up matches does not really show you anything and i have seen players who were not able to score much runs in warm up matches would perform better when the series starts and you can expect them to improve their performance as they need to understand the pitch situation and the bounce it offers it is never easy to go into the match with a single warm up match but still i am expecting a good match from India and New Zealand.

[Vishnu.Reang]

So in today's warm up test match also India performed badly. The opening batsmen got out at 0 and 1 and Pujara and Vihari were the only ones to score runs in the match. Shubman Gill gave an IV few days back and looked confident but he also made 0 today. The new batsmen are either fooling themselves or viewers or will claim that it was a warm-up match so it's OK. Last time also they lost against NZ in warm-ups and in the semi-final match.

Indian batsmen are always vulnerable on green surfaces. And Virat Kohli was not playing in this match, so there was additional pressure on the batsmen to perform. As I can see from the scorecard, only two of the batsmen scored above 20 (Pujara and Hanuma Vihari). And Scott Kuggeleijn must be feeling ecstatic right now, after nabbing three of the Indian batsmen. I don't think that the selectors can ignore him now, especially in the absence of some of their strike bowlers.

[mersal]

Indian test squad for NZ series lacking a good experienced opener,I guess there will be some changes in the batting order due to this mistake while picking squad.Pujara played well and also vihari and India didn't played very bad since they are almost par with the average first innings score on that ground.And its only 3 day warm up match so we can't expect long innings like 5 day matches.

[eaLiTy]

Indian test squad for NZ series lacking a good experienced opener,I guess there will be some changes in the batting order due to this mistake while picking squad.Pujara played well and also vihari and India didn't played very bad since they are almost par with the average first innings score on that ground.And its only 3 day warm up match so we can't expect long innings like 5 day matches.

You cannot judge by the performance of warm up games, they need some time to get familiar with the conditions and India has some good Test players and the middle order is strong on paper and if they can execute that then it will be an entertaining match and both sides will be having quality fast bowlers and only at the day of match we will know about the pitch but i am expecting them to cut the grass as India have a good fast bowling line up.

[mersal]

Indian test squad for NZ series lacking a good experienced opener,I guess there will be some changes in the batting order due to this mistake while picking squad.Pujara played well and also vihari and India didn't played very bad since they are almost par with the average first innings score on that ground.And its only 3 day warm up match so we can't expect long innings like 5 day matches.

You cannot judge by the performance of warm up games, they need some time to get familiar with the conditions and India has some good Test players and the middle order is strong on paper and if they can execute that then it will be an entertaining match and both sides will be having quality fast bowlers and only at the day of match we will know about the pitch but i am expecting them to cut the grass as India have a good fast bowling line up.

Prithvi Shaw and Manyak Agarwal who has been used as openers for this warm up match and both of them were inexperienced IMHO.But in test match having right opening combo is crucial,losing early wickets can change the whole match at the later part.I hope Rahane will open the test matches along with one new player because Kohli will play in the number 4 spot.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Prithvi Shaw and Manyak Agarwal who has been used as openers for this warm up match and both of them were inexperienced IMHO.But in test match having right opening combo is crucial,losing early wickets can change the whole match at the later part.I hope Rahane will open the test matches along with one new player because Kohli will play in the number 4 spot.

I wouldn't call Mayank Agarwal as an inexperienced player. It is true that the number of test matches played by him is in single digits, but he has large number of first class matches to his name and he is a regular for the India A tours. And I would like Virat Kohli to bat at number 3, since he is one of those Indian batsmen who are not afraid of green surfaces.

[mersal]

Prithvi Shaw and Manyak Agarwal who has been used as openers for this warm up match and both of them were inexperienced IMHO.But in test match having right opening combo is crucial,losing early wickets can change the whole match at the later part.I hope Rahane will open the test matches along with one new player because Kohli will play in the number 4 spot.

I wouldn't call Mayank Agarwal as an inexperienced player. It is true that the number of test matches played by him is in single digits, but he has large number of first class matches to his name and he is a regular for the India A tours. And I would like Virat Kohli to bat at number 3, since he is one of those Indian batsmen who are not afraid of green surfaces.

First class players can be very effective on indian pitches but this is overseas series so they need experience as well to get success.Kohli fits well number 3 in any format but Pujara is there he is most effective on one down so I feel Kohli will be playing in Number 4.

[erikalui]

Indian batsmen are always vulnerable on green surfaces. And Virat Kohli was not playing in this match, so there was additional pressure on the batsmen to perform. As I can see from the scorecard, only two of the batsmen scored above 20 (Pujara and Hanuma Vihari). And Scott Kuggeleijn must be feeling ecstatic right now, after nabbing three of the Indian batsmen. I don't think that the selectors can ignore him now, especially in the absence of some of their strike bowlers.

Virat wanted to see how the new boys play and he must have been disappointed watching them get out for 0 and 1. NZ are weak when it comes to test matches so am expecting India to be definitely better than them and 263 doesn't sound good. This warm up match should be a wake up call for the team.

NZ on the other hand have great bowlers like Sodhi and Kuggeleijn. Taylor is missing the test match but don't know if it's good or bad as they need good bowlers more than batsmen. Hope Ishant, Yadav and Jadeja give their best this time.

[ene1980]

Virat wanted to see how the new boys play and he must have been disappointed watching them get out for 0 and 1. NZ are weak when it comes to test matches so am expecting India to be definitely better than them and 263 doesn't sound good. This warm up match should be a wake up call for the team.

NZ on the other hand have great bowlers like Sodhi and Kuggeleijn. Taylor is missing the test match but don't know if it's good or bad as they need good bowlers more than batsmen. Hope Ishant, Yadav and Jadeja give their best this time.

These are the tangibles in the upcoming match between New Zealand and India as the players are coming into this match after a break and the warm up was a disaster for the Indian openers and they are leading the Test Championship table and this series is important to retain the position and hence i am confused on whom to bet on this match, the first innings will determine how the match will go and i might wait for live betting rather than going with the match before the start time.