ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[kro55]

Whats strange is role of ICC. I don't see any single statement of ICC official in latest tour cancellation by CZN and ECB. If boards have to decide matters by themselves then whats the role of keeping ICC?

ICC can't do anything because they are busy in counting money which is coming from IPL, so please don't disturb them and now as already mention by many crickets is just a political game no gentlemen's game. England is slammed by their own authorities, but this all is useless they are Big 3 in ICC they can do anything with any weak country, but surely they have to face karma for this all in future because here every one having chance for his own strategies and planning's currently Pakistan cricket is under serious problems for last 2 decades, and I am sure they can handle this all as well.

The ICC is now only for weaker boards. The ICC continues to exert its influence on weak and financially poor boards. On the other hand, the big cricket boards are always doing what they want. They are not accountable to the ICC. Thus the Cricket Council will not be able to maintain its reputation for very long. The ICC must be aware of its responsibilities and fulfill its responsibilities properly.

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[JohnBitCo]

Wow, New Zealand team coming in our neighboring county. Last time they had no threat but they refused to play us, now let us show them the real threat.  



Pakistan conducts 'successful' cruise missile test

Rather then conducting such tests Pakistan must focus on how they will bring international cricket back on there soils. Such tests wont bring cricket back there. PCB is helpless on recent CZN and ECB tour cancellation. Its wake up call for small boards to voice for there rights otherwise whales will continue to dominate cricket and ICC.

Yes, there is no point to be emotional about this incident. If England and New Zealand have refused to play in Pakistan, it not the end of the world for them. I think they should try to invite some weaker teams in their country to play cricket and once the series are completed safely, it will give a positive message to the ICC.

[7788bitcoin]

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The ICC is now only for weaker boards. The ICC continues to exert its influence on weak and financially poor boards. On the other hand, the big cricket boards are always doing what they want. They are not accountable to the ICC. Thus the Cricket Council will not be able to maintain its reputation for very long. The ICC must be aware of its responsibilities and fulfill its responsibilities properly.

What do you expect differently, do you think they can move against any cricket board that are funding them. What can the ICC do in situation like this, ban the board that are giving them the most funds and hence they can cut down on the funding to all the small cricket boards, are you happy if there is a situation like this or do you think they can do in situations like these.

[bitgov]

Rather then conducting such tests Pakistan must focus on how they will bring international cricket back on there soils. Such tests wont bring cricket back there. PCB is helpless on recent CZN and ECB tour cancellation. Its wake up call for small boards to voice for there rights otherwise whales will continue to dominate cricket and ICC.

Yes, there is no point to be emotional about this incident. If England and New Zealand have refused to play in Pakistan, it not the end of the world for them. I think they should try to invite some weaker teams in their country to play cricket and once the series are completed safely, it will give a positive message to the ICC.

Pakistan has already invited and played safely against RSA, SL, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. It was time for other team to visit Pakistan but they refused. AFAIK, security was not the prime reason rather they were political decision. Either way its bad for PCB and bad for the game.

[JohnBitCo]

Rather then conducting such tests Pakistan must focus on how they will bring international cricket back on there soils. Such tests wont bring cricket back there. PCB is helpless on recent CZN and ECB tour cancellation. Its wake up call for small boards to voice for there rights otherwise whales will continue to dominate cricket and ICC.

Yes, there is no point to be emotional about this incident. If England and New Zealand have refused to play in Pakistan, it not the end of the world for them. I think they should try to invite some weaker teams in their country to play cricket and once the series are completed safely, it will give a positive message to the ICC.

Pakistan has already invited and played safely against RSA, SL, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe. It was time for other team to visit Pakistan but they refused. AFAIK, security was not the prime reason rather they were political decision. Either way its bad for PCB and bad for the game.

I am also saying the same thing but they should so some action like inviting more teams to their country or if ICC, don't allow this, then conduct more domestic tournaments and invite international players. I remember they started KPL this year along with PSL.
Only claiming that due to political reason no teams want to come here, why not  find ways to improve the situation.

[bitgov]

The ICC is now only for weaker boards. The ICC continues to exert its influence on weak and financially poor boards. On the other hand, the big cricket boards are always doing what they want. They are not accountable to the ICC. Thus the Cricket Council will not be able to maintain its reputation for very long. The ICC must be aware of its responsibilities and fulfill its responsibilities properly.

Everyone says that neutral ICC must be authority to control all cricketing affairs of the world but in reality its not happening. Whats the way forward, is there any practical solution to this?
We will continue to discuss this but big 3 and there allies will dominate the administration of cricket. I dont think in near future we have neutral and fully empowered ICC.

[add1ct3dd]

Everyone says that neutral ICC must be authority to control all cricketing affairs of the world but in reality its not happening. Whats the way forward, is there any practical solution to this?
We will continue to discuss this but big 3 and there allies will dominate the administration of cricket. I dont think in near future we have neutral and fully empowered ICC.

Even most of the peoples denying, but one thing is sure this IPL factor is surely working in this all because it's giving some good enough money to BCCI, and they are sharing with few boards like CA, ECB and CNZ as their players are too much involved in IPL three boards very strong and one is their ally, so they are taking good advantage of this all but its already killed beauty of this game.

In near future we will have some more issues like this then surely these are going to be having Karma for this all, and they have to pay for this unsporting behavior nature never allow this all it's take his own revenge but if they want to do some better than surely they need to think about this right now and play fair game with all.

[JSRAW]

Also one good announcement for domestic cricketers


https://twitter.com/JayShah/status/1439887126049394690

This one just came at the right time. So they are getting an increment from ₹35,000 per day to ₹60,000 (although limited to players who have represented the state in more than 40 matches). The BCCI should focus more on the domestic cricket. The quality is noway near the competitions in England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa or West Indies. Right now a huge gap exists in the quality between the IPL and domestic cricket. One good initiative would be to introduce franchise system with the domestic teams as well.

I wouldn't say that quality is not there. You can easily find 8-10 quality teams who can beat any SENA country domestic team here in India 9 out of 10 times and able to put good show in SENA country against local teams. Even 3-4 local teams can give good scare to any touring team (intl), we have seen this in the past countless time.

County cricket also struggling, pitches there are ridiculously favors the fast bowlers that's why you see 4 days match gets done and dusted in just 2 days regularly.

[ene1980]

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County cricket also struggling, pitches there are ridiculously favors the fast bowlers that's why you see 4 days match gets done and dusted in just 2 days regularly.

If they could make the same pitches for international cricket that would be great, the game now a days favors the batsman and they need to be bowler friendly as well just to test the players and which county matches are you talking about that ends in a couple of days. I am not a big fan of watching all the matches but i am curious to know which matches are bowler friendly as i would like to see those matches.

[pakhitheboss]

Everyone says that neutral ICC must be authority to control all cricketing affairs of the world but in reality its not happening. Whats the way forward, is there any practical solution to this?
We will continue to discuss this but big 3 and there allies will dominate the administration of cricket. I dont think in near future we have neutral and fully empowered ICC.

Even most of the peoples denying, but one thing is sure this IPL factor is surely working in this all because it's giving some good enough money to BCCI, and they are sharing with few boards like CA, ECB and CNZ as their players are too much involved in IPL three boards very strong and one is their ally, so they are taking good advantage of this all but its already killed beauty of this game.

In near future we will have some more issues like this then surely these are going to be having Karma for this all, and they have to pay for this unsporting behavior nature never allow this all it's take his own revenge but if they want to do some better than surely they need to think about this right now and play fair game with all.

Cricket is no more a gentlemen game. When money is involved you will always support that board which makes more money than those who rely on it. It is not BCCI's fault that they have created a tournament that pays well not only to the players but to other boards associated with it. ICC does not have anything to do with domestic tournaments but the governing body has representatives who are part of the poor board. Why don't these members raise their voices against such issues? You cannot blame only the rich boards here.

[Sithara007]

I wouldn't say that quality is not there. You can easily find 8-10 quality teams who can beat any SENA country domestic team here in India 9 out of 10 times and able to put good show in SENA country against local teams. Even 3-4 local teams can give good scare to any touring team (intl), we have seen this in the past countless time.

County cricket also struggling, pitches there are ridiculously favors the fast bowlers that's why you see 4 days match gets done and dusted in just 2 days regularly.

In county cricket, almost all of the 18 teams are at the same level. But in the Indian domestic cricket, out of the 38 teams you have 4-5 extremely good teams such as Karnataka, Delhi and Mumbai, and then on the other end of the spectrum you have a few teams who are there just to make up the numbers (Sikkim, Mizoram.etc). Personally I favor organizing Indian domestic cricket in the form of zonal sides - such as Northern Zone and Central Zone. There are too many state sides and the quality gets diluted when you form the state-based squads.

[Juggy777]

Everyone says that neutral ICC must be authority to control all cricketing affairs of the world but in reality its not happening. Whats the way forward, is there any practical solution to this?
We will continue to discuss this but big 3 and there allies will dominate the administration of cricket. I dont think in near future we have neutral and fully empowered ICC.

Even most of the peoples denying, but one thing is sure this IPL factor is surely working in this all because it's giving some good enough money to BCCI, and they are sharing with few boards like CA, ECB and CNZ as their players are too much involved in IPL three boards very strong and one is their ally, so they are taking good advantage of this all but its already killed beauty of this game.

In near future we will have some more issues like this then surely these are going to be having Karma for this all, and they have to pay for this unsporting behavior nature never allow this all it's take his own revenge but if they want to do some better than surely they need to think about this right now and play fair game with all.

Cricket is no more a gentlemen game. When money is involved you will always support that board which makes more money than those who rely on it. It is not BCCI's fault that they have created a tournament that pays well not only to the players but to other boards associated with it. ICC does not have anything to do with domestic tournaments but the governing body has representatives who are part of the poor board. Why don't these members raise their voices against such issues? You cannot blame only the rich boards here.

I agree to a certain extent that BCCI influences ICC decisions, but think practically without BCCI IPL many boards would be facing revenues crunch, and they pay to all the boards whose player’s are participating so it’s a win win for all.

Also as fans we wanted more T20 so what was ICC going to do ignore the fans voices?, and now when we have more T20 we blame ICC for not doing enough not sure who’s to be blamed the fans or ICC?.

[bryant.coleman]

I agree to a certain extent that BCCI influences ICC decisions, but think practically without BCCI IPL many boards would be facing revenues crunch, and they pay to all the boards whose player’s are participating so it’s a win win for all.

Also as fans we wanted more T20 so what was ICC going to do ignore the fans voices?, and now when we have more T20 we blame ICC for not doing enough not sure who’s to be blamed the fans or ICC?.

IPL benefits only a few boards such as WICB, CA, ECB and CNZ (because the IPL pays 20% of the player's salary as foreigner release fee). Smaller boards as well as the PCB don't benefit, as they don't have anyone from their country playing in the IPL. And I don't know whether the ICC receives anything from the IPL revenues (my guess is that they don't).

Now coming to T20, I agree that this is the most popular format as of now. But the ICC is still headed by traditionalists and for them the test cricket is first priority. Take the case with any full member. On average, the national teams spend 50-60 days each playing test cricket every year. For ODI, this waters down to 20-30 days, and for T20I, the number is even lower.

[kro55]

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The ICC is now only for weaker boards. The ICC continues to exert its influence on weak and financially poor boards. On the other hand, the big cricket boards are always doing what they want. They are not accountable to the ICC. Thus the Cricket Council will not be able to maintain its reputation for very long. The ICC must be aware of its responsibilities and fulfill its responsibilities properly.

What do you expect differently, do you think they can move against any cricket board that are funding them. What can the ICC do in situation like this, ban the board that are giving them the most funds and hence they can cut down on the funding to all the small cricket boards, are you happy if there is a situation like this or do you think they can do in situations like these.

Not like that. There is no need to ban them. But they must be informed of their limitations. Since the non-existence of the ICC still exists, no cricket board can make all decisions individually. The ICC should have been informed about this. They are the main source of funding for the ICC. Of course they will take advantage of some extra opportunities. That is why it is difficult to accept that they will take all decisions without the permission of the ICC.

[bitgov]

Even most of the peoples denying, but one thing is sure this IPL factor is surely working in this all because it's giving some good enough money to BCCI, and they are sharing with few boards like CA, ECB and CNZ as their players are too much involved in IPL three boards very strong and one is their ally, so they are taking good advantage of this all but its already killed beauty of this game.

In near future we will have some more issues like this then surely these are going to be having Karma for this all, and they have to pay for this unsporting behavior nature never allow this all it's take his own revenge but if they want to do some better than surely they need to think about this right now and play fair game with all.

Everyday is not Sunday. We saw a situation where Bangladesh cricket team just escaped a massacre on Muslim worship place but small boards didn't made any issue out of it and continue there tour's to NZ. Definatly big 3 will need support of other boards in the long run. Who knows we may have something bigger then ipl from small boards in years to come.

[ene1980]

I placed a bet on Australian women to win the match but it looks like India Women has an opportunity here to win the match as they need to score at 8.57 runs per over which i think is an impossible task even though they have wickets in hand. Australia Women need 80 runs in 56 balls and it looks like i need to cash out, good play India women.

[ibuddy122505]

I placed a bet on Australian women to win the match but it looks like India Women has an opportunity here to win the match as they need to score at 8.57 runs per over which i think is an impossible task even though they have wickets in hand. Australia Women need 80 runs in 56 balls and it looks like i need to cash out, good play India women.

Australia wins by five wickets with a thrilling last ball. It was an amazing comeback from Australia, but the fielding by India was poor. They dropped catches, runs were missed, and stumpings were missed. The team deserved to lose! My hat's off to the Aussie women Beth Mooney, who displayed grit in all 50 overs of Australia's chase and was named Player of the Match. Moreover, Australia deserved to win. Congratulations on your win @ene1980.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Everyday is not Sunday. We saw a situation where Bangladesh cricket team just escaped a massacre on Muslim worship place but small boards didn't made any issue out of it and continue there tour's to NZ. Definatly big 3 will need support of other boards in the long run. Who knows we may have something bigger then ipl from small boards in years to come.

I remember the terrorist incident at Christchurch. 51 people died and a few of the Bangladesh players narrowly escaped from getting shot at. But the difference here is that the Bangladesh government decided that it is safe to continue with the tour and conveyed the message to the BCB. In case of New Zealand team in Pakistan, it was different. The directive came from the New Zealand government to abandon the tour, and CNZ just followed the order. So these two incidents are not directly comparable.

[7788bitcoin]

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I remember the terrorist incident at Christchurch. 51 people died and a few of the Bangladesh players narrowly escaped from getting shot at. But the difference here is that the Bangladesh government decided that it is safe to continue with the tour and conveyed the message to the BCB. In case of New Zealand team in Pakistan, it was different. The directive came from the New Zealand government to abandon the tour, and CNZ just followed the order. So these two incidents are not directly comparable.

If the Bangladesh government or the Bangladesh cricket board thought that and made a decision that it is not safe for Bangladesh players to play the series when there was an attack in New Zealand they could have called the team home but they never did. If New Zealand government and their cricket board feels that there is a threat to the team, then they can call the team home and that is what they have done.

[pakhitheboss]

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I remember the terrorist incident at Christchurch. 51 people died and a few of the Bangladesh players narrowly escaped from getting shot at. But the difference here is that the Bangladesh government decided that it is safe to continue with the tour and conveyed the message to the BCB. In case of New Zealand team in Pakistan, it was different. The directive came from the New Zealand government to abandon the tour, and CNZ just followed the order. So these two incidents are not directly comparable.

If the Bangladesh government or the Bangladesh cricket board thought that and made a decision that it is not safe for Bangladesh players to play the series when there was an attack in New Zealand they could have called the team home but they never did. If New Zealand government and their cricket board feels that there is a threat to the team, then they can call the team home and that is what they have done.

The fact is that small boards have always said yes no matter what was the condition because they need revenue. Big boards are already generating good revenue therefore they show their tantrums. Small boards have tried their level best to increase revenue but till now they have been struggling, until then the situation will remain the same.