Coronavirus Outbreak

[Rmcdermott927]

Where I live - suburban NY, they are going as far as closing entire school districts due to a student or employee either testing positive for the virus or coming in contact with it.   

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[Spendulus]

Summary of an informative article made by Ars Technica: Don’t Panic: The comprehensive Ars Technica guide to the coronavirus....

Remember that these symptoms take days to manifest, by the time you notice, you'd have to remember where you have been in the past week, where did you sneezed or coughed etc. Ideally people should avoid crowds and preferably going out until this quiets down.

That is indeed a good reference. For what it worth I believe we're really looking at a lightning fast 21st century response to a epidemic, and doing pretty good. Except, apparently in Iran and a few other places.

[TECSHARE]

"Wikipedia Slashes Spanish Flu Death Rate"

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/09/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate/

Next they will be telling me Snopes isn't reliable! What is this world coming to?!

[TwitchySeal]

"Wikipedia Slashes Spanish Flu Death Rate"

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/09/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate/

Next they will be telling me Snopes isn't reliable! What is this world coming to?!

"We all know Wikipedia is a micro-managed propaganda organ"

Careful with off-guardian.  They push a lot of pseudo science/conspiracy theory nonsense.  https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/

[TECSHARE]

"Wikipedia Slashes Spanish Flu Death Rate"

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/09/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate/

Next they will be telling me Snopes isn't reliable! What is this world coming to?!

"We all know Wikipedia is a micro-managed propaganda organ"

Careful with off-guardian.  They push a lot of pseudo science/conspiracy theory nonsense.  https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/offguardian/

Have no argument against the facts? Attack the source. The usual response from Captain Semantics. I guess I shouldn't be surprised criticism of Snopes would trigger you. "Fact checkers" are just an appeal to authority fallacy with extra steps, and are themselves usually bias. Don't believe me? Run some conservative and liberal news sources you know of through it and see how the standards suddenly shift to give the left more wiggle room.

[TwitchySeal]

Updated Numbers:

source

Today Italy suspended all mortgage payments.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/486760-italy-suspends-mortgage-payments-during-coronavirus

[Tash]

SARS-CoV-2 virus, about 70 countries have not reported any infections
Of the Infected 64 Countries have no death or recovery reported
29 have no reported deaths
7 have more deaths as recovered
Data from Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) (Will see tomorrow if Diamond Princess is again the same numers,  it sure cant be)
* Health expenditure of GDP in 2016.  The winner was Monaco with 1.75%
# Lets give some credit and assume some partially recovered to get past div 0

------------------	Died	Rec.	Death/Rec.		GDP *
Singapore	0	78	0,00%		4,47%
Malaysia	0	24	0,00%		3,80%
Bahrain	0	22	0,00%		4,87%
Vietnam	0	16	0,00%		5,66%
UAE	0	12	0,00%		3,52%
Oman	0	9	0,00%		4,29%
India	0	4	0,00%		3,66%
Mexico	0	4	0,00%		5,47%
Israel	0	4	0,00%		7,31%
Austria	0	4	0,00%		10,44%
Romania	0	3	0,00%		4,98%
Russian	0	3	0,00%		5,27%
Finland	0	2	0,00%		9,49%
Pakistan	0	1	0,00%		2,75%
Indonesia	0	1	0,00%		3,12%
Sri Lanka	0	1	0,00%		3,89%
Kuwait	0	1	0,00%		3,90%
Senegal	0	1	0,00%		5,51%
Saudi Arabia	0	1	0,00%		5,74%
Cambodia	0	1	0,00%		6,08%
Latvia	0	1	0,00%		6,24%
Nepal	0	1	0,00%		6,29%
Iceland	0	1	0,00%		8,29%
Belgium	0	1	0,00%		10,04%
Denmark	0	1	0,00%		10,35%
Norway	0	1	0,00%		10,50%
Sweden	0	1	0,00%		10,93%
Gibraltar	0	1	0,00%		9,76%
Thailand	1	33	3,03%		3,71%
China	3162	65762	4,81%		4,98%
Japan	10	101	9,90%		10,93%
Iran	291	2731	10,66%		8,10%
Germany	2	18	11,11%		11,14%
Canada	1	8	12,50%		10,53%
Australia	3	21	14,29%		9,25%
Diamond-P	6	40	15,00%		-
Korea	54	247	21,86%		7,34%
UK	6	18	33,33%		9,76%
Philippines	1	2	50,00%		4,39%
Italy	631	724	87,15%		8,94%
Switzerland	3	3	100,00%		12,25%
Egypt	1	1	100,00%		4,64%
Lebanon	1	1	100,00%		8,02%
Spain	35	32	109,38%		8,97%
Iraq	7	3	233,33%		3,31%
France	33	12	275,00%		11,54%
US	28	8	350,00%		17,07%
Morocco	1	0,1#	1000,00%		5,84%
San Marino	2	0,1#	2000,00%		6,40%
Netherlands	4	0,1#	4000,00%		10,36%

Edit:
Changes in the 24h (20 had no change, Iraq seams some mistake somewhere)

------------	24h-death	24h-rec,	%24h-+	%24h-rec
Romania	0	3	0	100,00%
Saudi Arabia	0	1	0	100,00%
Latvia	0	1	0	100,00%
Indonesia	0	1	0	100,00%
Iceland	0	1	0	100,00%
Gibraltar	0	1	0	100,00%
Lebanon	1	1	100,00%	100,00%
Oman	0	7	0	77,78%
Mexico	0	3	0	75,00%
Israel	0	2	0	50,00%
Austria	0	2	0	50,00%
Finland	0	1	0	50,00%
Philippines	0	1	0	50,00%
UAE	0	5	0	41,67%
Bahrain	0	8	0	36,36%
India	0	1	0	25,00%
Iran	54	337	18,56%	12,34%
China	26	5873	0,82%	8,93%
Thailand	0	2	0	6,06%
US	2	0	7,14%	0
Japan	1	0	10,00%	0
Spain	7	0	20,00%	0
Netherlands	1	0	25,00%	0
Italy	168	0	26,62%	0
Australia	1	0	33,33%	0
Switzerland	1	0	33,33%	0
UK	2	0	33,33%	0
France	14	0	42,42%	0
San Marino	1	0	50,00%	0
Morocco	1	0	100,00%	0

[tvbcof]

Heavily censored in Western media, and in fact in Iraq too from what I get of the description of the story.  Happened in a Kurdish area of Iraq which is pro-USA and doctors were threatened with death if they talked about it.

The story is that a shipment of red baseball caps came in through the U.S. consulate.  In the rim of these hats is some strain of coronavirus encased in micro-spheres which protect it and release it when there is moisture.  That is, when someone puts it on and sweats.

https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1050173/فیلم-هدیه-جدید-کرونایی-آمریکا-به-عراقی-ها

A simplistic person will say "can't be...we are friends with the Kurds."  Someone who is paying attention will have seen this kind of thing before.  A lot.   Basically when a 'crisis' strikes a community a designer can rush in to 'help' with funds and supplies (and guns, helicopters, howitzers, etc, in this case.)

[fabiola!]

corona virus is spreading fast as it spreads under developed countries where medical facilities are not good chances will increases very fast to other countries too and travel restrictions are must to contain virus spread , testing facilities and supplies are not scares even in usa ( according news i saw ) there are less number of testing supplies and testing for corona virus is not easy and its expensive ,

there 2-4 vaccines developed by scientist  and i saw that i would take around 6 months to do testing samples and 3 moths to approve so around a year

[Tash]

Chinese president visited Wuhan today.
https://youtu.be/K6fVpr6MAag

[CoinCube]

In regard to the debate upthread about vitamin C not being a cure for the flu. It is not a cure for the flu but that does not mean it is not potentially helpful both as a means of avoiding getting sick or avoiding death in the case of severe illness. Here are a few randomized controlled trials that will help people understand this better.


Effect of vitamin C on common cold: randomized controlled trial.
"A randomized, controlled 5-year trial suggests that vitamin C supplementation significantly reduces the frequency of the common cold but had no apparent effect on the duration or severity of the common cold."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16118650

Study Suggests Benefits of Vitamin C for Severe Sepsis
"“Patients in the control arm were much more likely to die within the first three to five days in the ICU than were the patients on vitamin C. The mortality benefit associated with vitamin C seemed to continue for the duration of the ICU course,”
https://consultqd.clevelandclinic.org/study-suggests-benefits-of-vitamin-c-for-severe-sepsis/

The best of course would be a vaccine or a targeted monoclonal antibody that the virus could not mutate around but lacking that vitamin C is not a bad idea at all when dealing with a virus with the potential for death and no other treatments.

I ordered some vitamin C and some elderberry extract to mail to my elderly grandmother.  She is in her 90s and is at high risk from this.

[Tash]

If this is not a cure than what is? How much closer to death can anyone be.
https://youtu.be/VrhkoFcOMII

The Body can not store large amounts.
Regular vegies and fruit is more than enough of recommend amount. For anti-ageing larger amounts can be taken, but want make someone more than 100% healthy that is the same fallacy as vaccine and have over-unity body (machine).
Sepsis, back in the old days seamen had issues with it.  Yes, Vitamin C deficiency of not having fresh vegetable and fruit for weeks.
There is no proven case anyone overdosed of Vitamin C.  Depending how much poison is in the body frequent and quick runs to the toilet with a large dose is almost certain.

[CoinCube]

If this is not a cure than what is? How much closer to death can anyone be.
https://youtu.be/VrhkoFcOMII

A truck load of Vitamin C will not prevent infection.  The Body can not store large amounts.
Regular vegies and fruit is more than enough of recommend amount. For anti-ageing larger amounts can be taken, but want make someone more than 100% healthy that is the same fallacy as vaccine and have over-unity body (machine).
Sepsis, back in the old days seamen had issues with it.  Yes, Vitamin C deficiency of not having fresh vegetable and fruit for weeks.
There is no proven case anyone overdosed of Vitamin C.  Depending how much poison is in the body frequent and quick runs to the toilet with a large dose is almost certain.

Interesting video. Looks like this happened in 2009. Stories like this can change things. There has recently been research on this topic.

Note the results from the recent Cleveland Clinic study I linked above. They gave around 50-100 grams of vitamin C depending on weight to critically ill ICU patients over a period of three days.

In the study, 167 ICU patients with sepsis and ARDS who had been hospitalized for less than 24 hours were randomized to IV infusion of 50 mg/kg vitamin C in dextrose 5% in water or placebo every 6 hours for 96 hours.

At day 28, mortality was 29.8% in the vitamin C group versus 46.3% in the placebo group [95% CI, 2% to 31.1%]).

That is a very impressive difference in mortality.

Conclusion: If it was me and I had sepsis I would want it.

There is a large randomized controlled trial currently being done in the US for this. The ACTS trial. If the results of that confirm the Cleveland Clinic study then the treatment will probably become part of the standard of care for everyone.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT03389555

[Tash]

"50-100mg is more or less in line with this"
https://humansarefree.com/2020/03/shanghai-government-officially-recommends-vitamin-c-for-covid-19.html
In China now about 20 die a day (26 yesterday, 22+ today), Italy at this rate overtakes China but has only a fraction of the population
There is no money to be made with it, thats a problem for big pharma

Dr. Luc Montagnier the discoverer of HIV  https://youtu.be/XSSpoFq7uhM?t=16

Also, (including the 4000+)
27,251,614 Births this year
11,440,881 Deaths this year

[erikalui]

In India, one man was admitted on 7th March as he tested positive and on 11th he recovered too. If people have a previous medical illness, this virus would prove fatal.

[Tash]

In India, one man was admitted on 7th March as he tested positive and on 11th he recovered too. If people have a previous medical illness, this virus would prove fatal.

Yes and no, if someone recently had organ transplant it is almost a certainty you can add him to the list as he would be on drugs to suppress the immune system, at least two such cases in Korea.
It also would depend what previous illness, age...

The other day a 101 year old recovered, 96 year old recovered, a 73 another 100....

[BADecker]

In India, one man was admitted on 7th March as he tested positive and on 11th he recovered too. If people have a previous medical illness, this virus would prove fatal.

Yes and no, if someone recently had organ transplant it is almost a certainty you can add him to the list as he would be on drugs to suppress the immune system, at least two such cases in Korea.
It also would depend what previous illness, age...

The other day a 101 year old recovered, 96 year old recovered, a 73 another 100....

Why can't they recover so they don't need an organ transplant? Do you think, maybe, that they were subject to a good sales pitch about their condition from the medical, and really never needed the transplant in the first place?

[erikalui]

Yes and no, if someone recently had organ transplant it is almost a certainty you can add him to the list as he would be on drugs to suppress the immune system, at least two such cases in Korea.
It also would depend what previous illness, age...

The other day a 101 year old recovered, 96 year old recovered, a 73 another 100....

Yeah, the immune system. All depends on how strong the person is to fight it just like other pandemics.

Korea is claiming to test 40k people per day and the discussion is going on in US too. Italy has turned into a prison. The videos are disturbing where they are dragging people by force if they have slight fever. They are treating them like street animals

[coinlocket$]

Italy has been closed even more.

Every store now must be closed only food and drugs can be sold.

Every commercial activity must close.

Also, they starting to use a drug on patients with for now good results in one patient (used on 2 so far)

The drug is the same one used in China and is called tocilizumab.

Source: https://www.ilmessaggero.it/salute/ricerca/coronavirus_farmaco_napoli_anti_artrite_news_ultime_notizie_oggi_11_marzo_2020-5105167.html

[CoinCube]

Why can't they recover so they don't need an organ transplant? Do you think, maybe, that they were subject to a good sales pitch about their condition from the medical, and really never needed the transplant in the first place?

There are many things that are oversold and in US medicine for profit but transplants don't typically fall into that category. Its very hard to get a transplant regardless of need due to a shortage of healthy donor organs.

Your correct that many transplant patients could have healed themselves naturally and avoided a transplant but the window of opportunity for such healing is usually long gone by the time a transplant is ever discussed. The kidneys and liver have a limit to their regenerative capacity. They can heal to a point but past that they won't recover.

The two most common causes of Kidney failure are diabetes type II and hypertension both of these can often be
treated by diet, exercise, and weight loss. The most common causes of liver failure are alcohol abuse and hepatitis infection also both preventable.

In health as in so many other areas of life people are often their own worst enemies.