Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?

[tvbcof]

People are not supposed to realize that the '30,000' people who took part in the vaccine trials or whatever number they use for this variable is fairly meaningless.  For one, only around half or so got the test 'vaccine' (while the remainder tended to get as a 'placebo' the very dangerous meningococcal vaccine in one more layer of fraud that they commonly use for this 'science'.  When you hear about a new ailment or death, 'but it was in the control group' you might start to understand why.)

Even here, the initial numbers they crow about for things like '94% effective' are from analysis of a small early sample.  Say 163 people.

While most of the data is hidden, it is not practical to remain so forever.  Now word is getting out that something like 4 of the test victims of Pfizer's concoction (which is being injected into Brits as we speak) got Bell's Palsy. 



But don't worry because it is sometimes temporary so it is no big deal.  Currently this 'new look' might be considered shocking (although likely to further the goal fertility reduction) but within a few years of mainstream media magic it will likely be the new fashion statement and fad.  The new trendy form of body modification I suspect.  I wonder if the iphone goes on the left or on the right?

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[franky1]

For one, only around half or so got the test 'vaccine' (while the remainder tended to get as a 'placebo' the very dangerous meningococcal vaccine in one more layer of fraud that they commonly use for this 'science'.  When you hear about a new ailment or death, 'but it was in the control group' you might start to understand why.)

no
the placebo was saline(salt water)
.. try to do research

[Vod]

While most of the data is hidden, it is not practical to remain so forever.  Now word is getting out that something like 4 of the test victims of Pfizer's concoction (which is being injected into Brits as we speak) got Bell's Palsy.  

Wow - I had forgotten about this disease.   Same facial symptoms as someone who had a stroke in their right brain, but luckily it goes away.  

I would like to read more about this, do you have a reliable link?

And I will take the vaccine after a few months.

[franky1]

Bell's Palsy.  

I would like to read more about this, do you have a reliable link?

your asking tvbcof for a reliable link? dang. goodluck.

just a tip bit
in general population 20 people out of 100,000 experience bells palsy.
its like getting leg cramp. but on your face. yep it actually is common like that.

so 20:100,000
 =10:50,000
 =5:25,000
 =4:21,000

so mathematically its to be expected that 4 people in a trial of 21k would experience this.

[tvbcof]

I would like to read more about this, do you have a reliable link?

From the article I posted above:

https://www.rt.com/usa/509081-pfizer-vaccine-fda-bells-palsy-covid/

And I will take the vaccine after a few months.

I don't know why you would care about the links then.  But anyway, I suggest you get two shots.  One in each arm.  Then your Bells Palsy might be more symmetrical and thus less noticeable.  (Like Mitch McConnell as someone pointed out in the comments...which are still allowed on RT unlike with U.S. state-sponsored propaganda like PBS and NPR.)

[tvbcof]

Bell's Palsy.  

I would like to read more about this, do you have a reliable link?

your asking tvbcof for a reliable link? dang. goodluck.

just a tip bit
in general population 20 people out of 100,000 experience bells palsy.
its like getting leg cramp. but on your face. yep it actually is common like that.

so 20:100,000
 =10:50,000
 =5:25,000
 =4:21,000

so mathematically its to be expected that 4 people in a trial of 21k would experience this.

I would not expect you to understand this, but others might:

Bells Palsy commonly afflicts women in the third trimester.  Since pregnant women are excluded from the study, one cannot use the (already questionable) background rates.

Secondly, if nobody in the equal sized so-called 'placebo' group developed the condition, it would suggest that 'we' found a cure for Bell's Palsy (be in saline or meningococcal vaccine) although it would seem to have the minor side-effect known as death.

[Vod]

And I will take the vaccine after a few months.

I don't know why you would care about the links then. 

?  The symptoms are similar to stroke symptoms, of which I am interested.

I'm not going to believe there are any nefarious conspiracies' to create or cure this virus.  I don't think our government has the resources or intelligence to try and control the population.   If the majority have no symptoms after a few months, I have no problem getting it.

And if I become brainwashed, a drone or otherwise dangerous to others - how much damage can I do?  lol 

[tvbcof]

... I don't think our government has the resources or intelligence to try and control the population.  ...

Um...what do you think that 'govern' means?

[Tash]

... I don't think our government has the resources or intelligence to try and control the population.  ...

Um...what do you think that 'govern' means?

Scarier than any “virus”, the remote controlled zombies (Karen’s) roaming about.

[tvbcof]

...

"It also gives us a very special, secret pleasure to see how unaware the people around us are of what is really happening to them."  –Adolf Hitler

The way some of 'our leaders' cannot help but grin at times tells me that the statement above (whether Hitler wrote it or not) probably was an accurate statement of their feelings, and it sure seems to me to be a common characteristic of the 'leadership' which is installed by whoever is calling the shots.

[Crptomagma]

The vaccine needs to be well tested and trusted before I think of being vaccinated or advice anyone to take vaccine. Even the president refuse to take the vaccine so why should I want to take it when the head of the country isn’t sure of the vaccine. It’s really sad that’s we are experiencing such deadly virus and yet the world is yet to come with more positive results about the way to end the virus. I fear for my love ones and pray God Jeppy you all safe.

[franky1]

The vaccine needs to be well tested and trusted before I think of being vaccinated or advice anyone to take vaccine.

they have been working on the vaccine since february. and if it was handed out to the masses in march. then yea be worried. but they done 9 months worth of testing..

so how long is long enough before you feel 'it has been well tested and trusted'

if a bee stung you in march. would you blame the bee nine months later if you suddenly had a headache or felt tired. or would you think maybe its due to something else that happened in december and not due to something in march

...

just a tip bit
in general population 20 people out of 100,000 experience bells palsy.
its like getting leg cramp. but on your face. yep it actually is common like that.

so 20:100,000
 =10:50,000
 =5:25,000
 =4:21,000

so mathematically its to be expected that 4 people in a trial of 21k would experience this.

I would not expect you to understand this, but others might:

Bells Palsy commonly afflicts women in the third trimester.  Since pregnant women are excluded from the study, one cannot use the (already questionable) background rates.

funny part is. there are actually an average of 40:100,000 with an equal 'affliction' in men and woman
meaning the 20:100,000 are going to be males that cant get pregnant

have a nice day.
its getting real easy to debunk you. maybe you need to raise your game and try to research before replying

[BADecker]

The vaccine needs to be well tested and trusted before I think of being vaccinated or advice anyone to take vaccine.

they have been working on the vaccine since february. and if it was handed out to the masses in march. then yea be worried. but they done 9 months worth of testing..

so how long is long enough before you feel 'it has been well tested and trusted'

if a bee stung you in march. would you blame the bee nine months later if you suddenly had a headache or felt tired. or would you think maybe its due to something else that happened in december and not due to something in march

Does this mean that you know of a group who tracks all the info necessary to see what a bee sting might or might not do 4 or 10 years down the road?

...

just a tip bit
in general population 20 people out of 100,000 experience bells palsy.
its like getting leg cramp. but on your face. yep it actually is common like that.

so 20:100,000
 =10:50,000
 =5:25,000
 =4:21,000

so mathematically its to be expected that 4 people in a trial of 21k would experience this.

I would not expect you to understand this, but others might:

Bells Palsy commonly afflicts women in the third trimester.  Since pregnant women are excluded from the study, one cannot use the (already questionable) background rates.

funny part is. there are actually an average of 40:100,000 with an equal 'affliction' in men and woman
meaning the 20:100,000 are going to be males that cant get pregnant

have a nice day.
its getting real easy to debunk you. maybe you need to raise your game and try to research before replying

What does that really mean? That you are basing your study of symptomatic people on 40 out of 100,000?

If you started to explain in ways that made sense, somebody might actually give you a little credibility.

[tvbcof]

just a tip bit
in general population 20 people out of 100,000 experience bells palsy.
its like getting leg cramp. but on your face. yep it actually is common like that.

so 20:100,000
 =10:50,000
 =5:25,000
 =4:21,000

so mathematically its to be expected that 4 people in a trial of 21k would experience this.

I would not expect you to understand this, but others might:

Bells Palsy commonly afflicts women in the third trimester.  Since pregnant women are excluded from the study, one cannot use the (already questionable) background rates.

funny part is. there are actually an average of 40:100,000 with an equal 'affliction' in men and woman
meaning the 20:100,000 are going to be males that cant get pregnant

have a nice day.
its getting real easy to debunk you. maybe you need to raise your game and try to research before replying

'Debunking' doesn't mean making shit up out of whole cloth to suit a given need.  You've done two different rates already, so which ratio are you going to pull straight out of your butt next time?  Whatever you think you need by the looks of things.

Again, it might be over your pay-grade, but if over the course of a year, if {n} people develop a condition then for, say, a three month period the expected number would be {n/4} (seasonal variations aside.)

In this case, Bell's Palsy is what even the vax 'believers' admit to as a likely side effect since according to their (probably nearly 100% fraudulent) study there was a discrepancy between vax victims and so-called 'placebo' victims.  So you are actually arguing with Pfizer but appear to be to stupid to even know it.

For my part, I would expect the game-play to go something like this:  Show a _false_ problem which can be later dis-proven.  Then upon doing so the sheep will have more confidence in 'the science' and since it is the only thing claimed then there will be zero problems left when the one issue is put to bed.  As long as the dead bodies can be kept off of the Tee-Vee then the sheeple will be none the wiser about real problems.

Thus, I have some questions about the 'Bell's Palsy' thing myself.

[theymos]

I probably won't take it anytime soon. Maybe if COVID is still a problem in 2022, I'd take it then.

As I see it, it's just a matter of weighing risks. If I get COVID, my chance of dying or getting post-COVID syndrome seems very low, since I'm young and healthy, and post-COVID syndrome is very rare. The risk from the vaccine also seems very low, but I'm worried that there might be some sort of long-term increase in the risk of cancer or something like that. Currently, I judge the risk of the vaccine as being higher than the risk of the virus for me. For people at a higher risk of dying from COVID, it's a totally different story, and for them I think it's probably overwhelmingly better to get the vaccine. But each person should make this decision for himself; the government should absolutely not force people to get it, and I hope that employers will try as much as possible to accommodate employees who don't want to get it (though in a few cases, like nurses in hospitals, the only reasonable course might be for employers to require it).

As I understand it, how the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines work is that they use mRNA to get your own cells to produce tons of COVID spike protein (ie. just a tiny piece of the full virus), and then your immune system eventually realizes that this spike protein floating around inside of you is a foreign substance and learns to fight it off. This has the potential to be a cleaner, safer vaccine than traditional vaccines which are composed of actual viruses cultivated in animal products. It's also easier to develop these mRNA vaccines because you just need to take some genetic code from the virus and plug it into your mRNA-vaccine template. There are several questions that come to my mind, though, like:
 - What else is in the vaccine other than mRNA? Presumably there are some preservatives and binders; how much testing has been done on those in other vaccines? How does the non-mRNA stuff compare to the flu vaccine, for example?
 - How exactly do they produce the mRNA? I'd guess that they genetically modified some bacteria or yeast to produce it, but I don't know.
 - I know that the mRNA should not normally integrate into your DNA, but what if you have some reverse transcriptase floating around from another virus? Is it possible, and would it be harmful?
 - I'm not sure, but maybe you're going to get quite a large amount of spike protein floating around inside of you, since each bit of mRNA can (I think) cause your body to produce many copies of spike protein. In other words, the total amount of foreign material that will be in your body is far more than the contents of the syringe. Is it possibly harmful to have so much spike protein in you? Could it destroy important cells? Could it accumulate in tissues and then cause problems later, maybe long after the vaccine?
 - DNA/RNA has a tendency to experience random mutation through exposure to light, temperature, etc. How likely is it that some mRNA in the vaccine will mutate into something really harmful?

I'm sure that the scientists thought about those concerns along with many more that I missed, but I'd like to know the answers to them before I'd get the vaccine. (I could get answers to many of them right now if I did some research, but I haven't; I'll wait for some journalist to write a comprehensive article on it.)

[BADecker]

There isn't any need for a vaccine.
1. We have vitamin C + zinc + vitamin D that works.
2. We have HCQ + zinc that works.
3. We have Budesonide that works.
4. We have MMS (chlorine dioxide) that works.
5. And now we have another one that works exceptionally well... Ivermectin.

Watch the video at the link.


Ivermectin "obliterates" transmission of Covid, but it's too cheap to be used

Because they are old safe, mass produced and out of patent no Pharmaceutical giant will make mass profits, which dooms them to being ignored, under researched, and generally scoffed at in rude dismissive terms.

The biggest failure of our government health agencies right now is the Black Hole of Medicine — the astronomical event horizon beyond which cheap safe drugs disappear without a trace.

3,000 people are dying every day in the USA and 5,000 a day are dying in Europe, mostly from a problem which can be solved to a large extent.

Sure, the media hate HCQ because "Donald". But it's not just HCQ  and it's not just Trump  — the media ignore all the cheap antivirals and all the rich nations have the same medical Black Hole.  This is the work of the Medical Swamp, captured by Big Pharma.

[Tash]

There isn't any need for a vaccine.
1. We have vitamin C + zinc + vitamin D that works.
2. We have HCQ + zinc that works.
3. We have Budesonide that works.
4. We have MMS (chlorine dioxide) that works.
5. And now we have another one that works exceptionally well... Ivermectin.

Watch the video at the link.

All of them work, cheap and available without prescription.
Being able to get it at lots of places is a bigger torn than the price.

Doctor pleas at senate hearing for Ivermectin usage, falls on deaf ears on media. Its a mad mad world.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5295921.msg55801617#msg55801617

Main issue with Covid is simply to much acid in body from food, mask.... and vitamin D deficiency

[tvbcof]

I probably won't take it anytime soon. Maybe if COVID is still a problem in 2022, I'd take it then.
...

Sounds like you are the kind of guy who will roll up his sleeve two minutes after you realize that you'll be inconvenienced by the lack of a Certificate Of Vaccination ID.'

That reminds me, I need to find and dust off the code which makes backups of important posts on the forum.  That is to say, mine.

[Tash]

Indian home care kit looks a saver and cheaper option (127 INR = $1.72 USD)
https://www.rxindia.com/medicines/medicines-by-therapeutic-class/covid-19/ziverdo-kit/
Zinc Acetate 50 mg, + Doxycycline 100 mg + Ivermectin 12 mg Dispersible Tablets

Free Ivermectin if you live in Lucknow
https://trialsitenews.com/municipality-of-lucknow-in-up-india-now-distributes-free-ivermectin-via-kiosks-to-treat-covid-19-is-there-a-rwe-study-backing-this-effort/

[franky1]

What does that really mean? That you are basing your study of symptomatic people on 40 out of 100,000?

If you started to explain in ways that made sense, somebody might actually give you a little credibility.

nope
its based on actual data of >40,000 out of ~100million americans between 15-45 that suffer from bells palsy every year.


should you ever have a moment to search the wonders of the internet away from your bookmarked conspiracy sites it would take you only a moment to find this info.
they have this (sarcasm) new technology called google, it makes it simple to find things. use it