Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?

[franky1]

Ahh damn! The real reason is because every single doctor/nurse/pharmacist/scientist/engineer/lab technician/researcher in the world is a gullible moron compared to the awesome intellect of a conspiracy blogger. I didn't have that one on my bingo card.

Not stupid people.  Just years and years of training to accept information in one form from one class of sources (e.g., the WHO or CDC) and regurgitate it verbatim.

In school if these people failed this mindless info pipeline conditioning, the flunk out.  In life if they fail they flush their years in school down the toilet and find a new line of work.  The system is so tight that only a tiny minority who don't perform 'correctly' slip through the cracks to challenge the system from the inside.

Thankfully there are people in this 'fail' category though or we would know much less about the mechanics of the covid-19 hoax.  Unsurprisingly they tend to be eminent people who speak out most loudly because they are more immune from attack by 'the establishment' and in a lot of cases are near or beyond retirement anyway.  There are plenty of others who are doing work more quietly behind the scenes, and their efforts are making a difference as well.

tvbcof pretends to be an expert of covid. but his expertise is in avoiding/ignoring actually talking to families of sick people and people that had a relative that died

tvbcofs ignorance and avoidance then makes him think that it doesnt happen simply by him avoiding finding out.
this does not make tvbcof an expert in covid. it makes him an expert in ignorance.

its like he never plays golf. so then deems that golf is fake because he has never experienced it himself. he would also avoid watching or talking to others that had played golf just to solidify his stupid belief that golf is fake.

tvbcof. your expertise in ignorance does not make you look like a person that someone should rely on for information. it makes you a person that people should look at and then laugh and realise that your just a conspiracy paranoid idiot that is on some 'stupid list' where by your email is probably spammed with stupid stuff that make you more paranoid.

yes i bet your emails get filled with pillmill clinic emails trying to sell you wacky products. and this is why you think that doctors are just after your money. because thats all you see in your emails and google adverts personalised to you based on your searches.

wake up and realise your stupid conspiracy searches are the cause of scammy people paying attention to you.
realise there a millions and billions of not so scammy people. but the reason your getting so much attention from scammy people is due to your stupidity
need proof if you are stupid?
if you have ever been tempted to buy the crap advertised in badeckers footnote. then your stupid

[tvbcof]

Wanna get the vax?  Knock yourself out.  Actually, don't bother knocking yourself out because the vaccine has this one covered:

  NURSE 33 "PASSES OUT" AFTER GETTING PFIZER WAXXINE

Question for the 'medical ethisists' (such as fake-Dr. oileo and franky1-n-beans):  Is it OK to break the 6 foot social distancing rule to catch someone who passes out 17 minutes after their jab?

Of course we have no way to know if the jab had anything to do with the loss of consciousness and only a crazy nutter anti-vax conspiracy theorist would suggest that it might with 'no evidence'.  The question about social distancing remains though.

[franky1]

Question for the 'medical ethisists' (such as fake-Dr. oileo and franky1-n-beans):  Is it OK to break the 6 foot social distancing rule to catch someone who passes out 17 minutes after their jab?

grabbing someone because they fall. with a mask on. is less risky then dry humping a stranger at a gay bar without any protection.

so if you want to use this example of someone catching someone as they faint. as your excuse to now go around without a mask and lick random peoples faces while heavily panting on them.. then you still not learned any lessons

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the difference is will your action reduce the risk of accident/injury/harm.. or increase the risk of accident/injury/harm

so if you see someone about to jump off a building. its ok to grab them and stop them
if you see a stranger at a bar who seems to not be harming themselves. dont grab them and dry hump them

if you cannot calculates the risks. then just stay back

[BADecker]

Question for the 'medical ethisists' (such as fake-Dr. oileo and franky1-n-beans):  Is it OK to break the 6 foot social distancing rule to catch someone who passes out 17 minutes after their jab?

grabbing someone because they fall. with a mask on. is less risky then dry humping a stranger at a gay bar without any protection. - It's not less risky. Rather, it isn't risky at all. After all, when you do good, God rewards the good, especially if the good endangers your life here. Jesus said, "Greater love hath no man than this, to give up his life for his friends." And Saint Paul says, "These three remain, faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love." St. Paul also says, " God will reward what ever good you do."

Humping a stranger isn't doing good. Rather, it's doing bad that will get someone damned if they don't repent.

so if you want to use this example of someone catching someone as they faint. as your excuse to now go around without a mask and lick random peoples faces while heavily panting on them.. then you still not learned any lessons - There is no proof that getting sick comes from virus invasion, or even bacterial invasion. What do I mean?

We see people all over the place who have invasions of viruses and bacteria that seem to be doing them harm, and making them ill, or killing them. We also see many of these people getting such invasion following their contact with someone who already has such an invasion. But most scientists disregard one of the most important aspects of life and science regarding this... placebo effect.

Whether or not a person has an emotional or mental liking for another person, any person's body will find empathy for any other person's body, simply because we are all the same kind of creatures. We don't know that the catching of a disease isn't a body-to-body spiritual/placebo effect. All we see is that one person has the disease, and that the next person gets it.

The point? Nobody has checked out to see if the person who gets well from the disease, hasn't gotten well from the close-contact person who wasn't sick. The whole focus is on sick people. The reason is to make money.

If you aren't sick, don't be at all fearful. Strengthen your spirit in the will that you are not going to be sick. Then hug as many sick people as you can, so that your good placebo effect will react on them and make them well.

If you think this isn't scientific, do some research on placebo effect. You will find that the little we know about it, shows what I have said is true. You will also find that most of science is not only ignoring placebo effect results, but that they are trying to hide placebo effect science, and are trying to stop its expansion.

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the difference is will your action reduce the risk of accident/injury/harm.. or increase the risk of accident/injury/harm

so if you see someone about to jump off a building. its ok to grab them and stop them
if you see a stranger at a bar who seems to not be harming themselves. dont grab them and dry hump them

if you cannot calculates the risks. then just stay back

Humping a stranger is wrong. Don't do it. Respect your whole self and the other person, not just some bodily activity.

Doing good for people is right. Even if it harms you because your faith isn't strong enough to keep harm away, still do good to others. God will reward you for this.

[acener]

I read and heard some positive news about the vaccine and it has only low number of side effect so far.
And I think it is better than having nothing at all so yes I would trust it but I know that it would still be long before I could get vacinnated who knows maybe before I got it there would already be a great result.

[franky1]

Humping a stranger is wrong. Don't do it. Respect your whole self and the other person, not just some bodily activity.

then why for 9 months have you been crying about your lack of ability to invite your male escort to your bedroom to give you full body massages and other physicals services

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also if the only action required to do if you do get some physical action is a lame apology.. then the 'don't do it' is not really a warning for your crowd
.. it explains why so many catholic/christian priests are seen as paedophiles. because they think they can do as they like as long as they 'repent' after.

you do realise the crowd of people in your cults are the worse kind of people. hiding behind scripts to get away with their nasty habits. they have no morals or ethics and just end up saying 'i done it cos some written thing i read said i could' .. no conscious thought or independent decision to not do certain things.

you are the kind of guy that would harm someone without a thought.

[Gyfts]

Wanna get the vax?  Knock yourself out.  Actually, don't bother knocking yourself out because the vaccine has this one covered:

  NURSE 33 "PASSES OUT" AFTER GETTING PFIZER WAXXINE

Question for the 'medical ethisists' (such as fake-Dr. oileo and franky1-n-beans):  Is it OK to break the 6 foot social distancing rule to catch someone who passes out 17 minutes after their jab?

Of course we have no way to know if the jab had anything to do with the loss of consciousness and only a crazy nutter anti-vax conspiracy theorist would suggest that it might with 'no evidence'.  The question about social distancing remains though.

Passing out after getting a vaccine isn't usual though?

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/vasovagal-syncope/symptoms-causes/syc-20350527

Sometimes people will see blood, needles, and pass out. Other times nurses might lock their legs which I think is what happened here. There isn't even a physiological link between passing out and getting a vaccine.

[o_e_l_e_o]

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Yup, it's a simple vasovagal which happens to tens of thousands of people every day. The anti-vax morons are running low on straws to grasp at, it seems.

[tvbcof]

Wanna get the vax?  Knock yourself out.  Actually, don't bother knocking yourself out because the vaccine has this one covered:

  NURSE 33 "PASSES OUT" AFTER GETTING PFIZER WAXXINE

Question for the 'medical ethisists' (such as fake-Dr. oileo and franky1-n-beans):  Is it OK to break the 6 foot social distancing rule to catch someone who passes out 17 minutes after their jab?

Of course we have no way to know if the jab had anything to do with the loss of consciousness and only a crazy nutter anti-vax conspiracy theorist would suggest that it might with 'no evidence'.  The question about social distancing remains though.

Passing out after getting a vaccine isn't usual though?

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/vasovagal-syncope/symptoms-causes/syc-20350527

Sometimes people will see blood, needles, and pass out. Other times nurses might lock their legs which I think is what happened here. There isn't even a physiological link between passing out and getting a vaccine.

She had a 'vaginal response'.  Har, Har!

Seriously, I know first hand that you are 100% right.

 - I passed out once after a 5 shot regime.  The 'bubonic plague' shot was mis-administered.  It was supposed to be inter-muscular, but I could tell they got it right into an artery or vein.  It was the last one and when I was buttoning my shirt to leave, I went right down.  I wrote the event off to the poor shot placement at the time, but in retrospect I think it as or more likely to have been vasogagal in nature.

 - A few years later I had to lay down quickly after _watching_ a procedure on my dying grandfather.  There is no way to blame this on any substance mis-administered or not.  It is the only time I've ever 'fainted' (or came close...thankfully the other bed in the room was unoccupied.)

 - About 12 years ago I got two shots for travel.  Last shots I ever got.  Within a minute I passed out in exactly the manner described by the vasovagal.  After an hour or rest I got in my car and drove home.

It's interesting to note that I've never had a particularly strong fear of needles.  I don't like them any better than anyone else, but I always understood the basic mechanics and until much more recently never questioned that the ingredients were designed with safety and health in mind and quality control was rigorous.  In both of the cases where I went down, I had basically forgotten all about the shot and was thinking about how I was going to spend the rest of my day.

Later on when I started to understand things better, I thought back to how utterly shitty I felt for a few months after the travel shot, and particularly the three weeks in Asia which instigated the shot in the first place.  If 'they' are fucking people up with travel vaccines and expecting that people will write off the ill effects to general travel related stress, it would work like a champ because that is exactly what I did until years later when I did more of a deep dive into the actual science behind vaccination.

[pilosopotasyo]

I have heard a lot of opinions ... many are pro vaccine but also many are against it ...
And some don't even believe there is a real vaccine ... What about you ?

I am not part of that some and those who think vaccine is not real when governments are paying it millions of dollars then they should inject, we have so many infections because they think that CoVid is real and they go out with protecting themselves as long as we have these kind of people the infected will still rise.

[Pizzalover420]

I rather have Covid than the vaccine.

[BADecker]

Humping a stranger is wrong. Don't do it. Respect your whole self and the other person, not just some bodily activity.

then why for 9 months have you been crying about your lack of ability to invite your male escort to your bedroom to give you full body massages and other physicals services

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also if the only action required to do if you do get some physical action is a lame apology.. then the 'don't do it' is not really a warning for your crowd
.. it explains why so many catholic/christian priests are seen as paedophiles. because they think they can do as they like as long as they 'repent' after.

you do realise the crowd of people in your cults are the worse kind of people. hiding behind scripts to get away with their nasty habits. they have no morals or ethics and just end up saying 'i done it cos some written thing i read said i could' .. no conscious thought or independent decision to not do certain things.

you are the kind of guy that would harm someone without a thought.

You really need to get yourself a camel. After all, they are double-humped already, so it won't be so difficult for you. Maybe you should go for the dromedary as you are getting along in life - only one hump.

[Tash]

Depopulation through forced vaccinatin.

The Wolrd today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reprodactive health services, we lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.

Such a sweet smile. Quick, the genocide shot is not something to miss out, once in a lifetime opportunity.

[tabas]

There were companies that wants their employees to take the shot. If their people won't do that, they're likely to be fired. I feel bad for those people that have that kind of employers. They shouldn't force anyone to take the vaccine but it's also for the sake of everyone.

I read and heard some positive news about the vaccine and it has only low number of side effect so far.
And I think it is better than having nothing at all so yes I would trust it but I know that it would still be long before I could get vacinnated who knows maybe before I got it there would already be a great result.

Me too, if there's a side effect. One of the doctors of WHO said that it's developing the protection if there's that kind of reaction to the body. I'm only following the news but still don't know if I'll take it or not because I'm in a good place with such low to no number of new cases.

[mindrust]

Depopulation through forced vaccinatin.

The Wolrd today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reprodactive health services, we lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.

Such a sweet smile. Quick, the genocide shot is not something to miss out, once in a lifetime opportunity.

Amazing.

I just searched this line on google: "depopulation through forced vaccination"

and this is the first result they brought:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-newspaper-idUSKBN27X2VR

Few days ago I did a similar bill gates search which I forgot and that was the first result:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-bill-gates-vaccinate-childr-idUSKBN22B26Z

Somebody is trying hard.

Really hard.

*From his mouth these words came, how come reuters says that's a lie?
https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates_innovating_to_zero/transcript?language=en

"The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about nine billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent."

What the fuck is wrong with people?

[Tash]

The Wolrd today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about 9 billion. Now if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reprodactive health services, we lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.

Its not the only time ill Gates talks about depopulation
https://youtu.be/WUJMR3BUm2s?t=118
bonus, Bill and Melinda Gates announce "next pandemic will get attention this time"  https://youtu.be/ELP2EFVOOYc

Plants need CO2 without it there are no trees, gras, flowers.... He wants some Billionares each with some personal slave, oragan replacement and such.

[Tzupy]

Fauci tells children he took a trip to the North Pole and vaccinated Santa...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/19/anthony-fauci-vaccinate-santa-claus-coronavirus

[Gyfts]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/19/world/europe/coronavirus-uk-new-variant.html


Hmmm, so what happens when the vaccine strategy does not work as intended? What happens if the vaccine does not get distributed fast enough causing a new mutated form of the virus to begin spreading? UK reports that there's a new fast spreading virus which is starting up lockdown talks again.

[franky1]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/19/world/europe/coronavirus-uk-new-variant.html


Hmmm, so what happens when the vaccine strategy does not work as intended? What happens if the vaccine does not get distributed fast enough causing a new mutated form of the virus to begin spreading? UK reports that there's a new fast spreading virus which is starting up lockdown talks again.

uk lockdowns are in response to hospitalisations. not due to asymptomatic infections.
the UK lockdowns are more about the view that people are not following the current guideance at advisory level eg 'if you can work from home do so' and so if people are not bothering to stay home if they can.. eventually they will be made to..


the strain talked about in the news is 1in 4000 'strains' of this particular covid19 heritage
the strain in particular is about 24 'generations' of mutations deep
meaning like a tree/ancestry this particular strain has changed minimally by 24 minor details out of many thousands

yes there are other strains that are 24 minor alterations. but it is shown that this particular strain in question. seems to be being passed around by lots of people avoiding following the advice.

this strain doesnt have any characteristics that show that its more dangerous. but its simply that they can identify and trace the contact people have and follow the path of where a certain strain has originated and then migrated to via people having ignorance.

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you could run a real life scenario
pick 5 people. and tell them if they do come into close contact with someone either by accident or on purpose to spray paint a colour on someones back. and advise then to try not to come into contact. but if they o to then tell that person the same advice.
then give those 5 people a different colour spraycan to use

after a month. you can then look at a populations back and count how many of which colour. and then know which group are more idiots and ignorant. just by counting their backs

it does not mean that the colour is more dangerous. it just means the people that come into contact with each other in that cluster-colour are more ignorantly dangerous

EG southwest UK seems to show more sensible attitudes so they have less cases. yet london seem to mingle more so they get more cases. and londoners seem to the migrate to other cities up north. and cause them to then have issues.
you end up seeing that a certain strain originating from london then has more cases. not due to the strain but due to attitudes of londoners.

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anyway the minor changes of the spike in this 24th generation strain. is not sufficiently different to cause worry about the vaccine.

what would be a worry is if any strain went into the animal population. then mutated there. then came back to the human population. as crossing the 'animal divide' can cause major mutations

EG instead of 24differences out of 30000identicals (99.93% identical) of the strains of human covid19
emphasis all different human-human strain in america, uk, netherlands, italy are 0.07% max different.


a human-animal-human may very by 5-40%
like how covid19(sars-human 2003 > bat species 1 > bat species 2 > human) is about 82% identical to sars 2003
mers to covid is even further difference

as for the species divide
like how covid 19 human is 8% different to covid 19 pangolin
both examples above had wide mutations of many percentage points due to them not handling cross species infection pre 2020
as oppose to spotting infections in minks and how the mink is only  0.07% different due to them stoping it spreading amungst the mink quick, thus avoiding mutations which could have become many percentage points different if it re entered the human population later

[Gyfts]

uk lockdowns are in response to hospitalisations. not due to asymptomatic infections.
the UK lockdowns are more about the view that people are not following the current guideance at advisory level eg 'if you can work from home do so' and so if people are not bothering to stay home if they can.. eventually they will be made to..

Well of course they are for deaths/hospitalizations. Even when the UK was top 5 in deaths per capita, they didn't necessarily have lockdowns in place. Even top doctors in the U.S. say asymptomatic people aren't the ones that act as super spreaders (which also makes me wonder why it's so important to mask up if you're asymptomatic, but that's another discussion).

you could run a real life scenario
pick 5 people. and tell them if they do come into close contact with someone either by accident or on purpose to spray paint a colour on someones back. and advise then to try not to come into contact. but if they o to then tell that person the same advice.
then give those 5 people a different colour spraycan to use

after a month. you can then look at a populations back and count how many of which colour. and then know which group are more idiots and ignorant. just by counting their backs

it does not mean that the colour is more dangerous. it just means the people that come into contact with each other in that cluster-colour are more ignorantly dangerous

I'm curious, what is your solution if people don't follow lockdown regulations? Jail them? Fine them?