Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?

[BADecker]

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You are really running out of straws to grasp at, eh?

Snipping a comment then accusing a person of 'grasping at straws' is kind of funny in a pathetic sort of way.

Mix 'em good there chief.  Sorry if I'm costing you money as your credibility as a 'doctor' fades away.

What he really needs to do is absolutely prove, right here in the forum, that he absolutely IS a doctor. That way he will be taking down the credibility of all the doctors, and that's what we need.

Why do we need less doctor credibility? We need it so that people saty away from them, so that people can seek out their own nutritional therapies and get well.

[Natsuu]

I am for one salute all the doctors and nurses who face these viruses and diseases on a daily basis. I am glad that you and your colleagues turned out fine and well.

We can't put blame on people who wouldn't want to take the vaccine as they might have the same reasons as mine, avoiding risk by letting others first.

I am not a doctor, nor have studied to medicine-related courses, but I will trust my gut and think that you're not a fake in this forum.

Please, keep the updates for your second dose of the vaccine, as well as the results a week later after the second one. I'll gladly use your information and insights if I will take the vaccine or not in February.

I will update after my second shot (1st february), but really this drug is already experimented and already administered to maybe a milion of people only in Italy, my experience is only a drop in the sea.

Severe reactions exist but are rare, we don't have data for longer term (years) reactions but I feel pretty confident that the mechanism (i described it above) is pretty safe, maybe safer than a traditional vaccine, although less "natural".

The video is frightening, I did never see seizures like that but I suppose they are possible. Acetilsalicilic acid can cause sudden death, and allergic reactions to simple things like nuts kill people every year. You cannot live without taking risks.

Especially for me, a worker in an hospital setting, the risk of the vaccine is IMHO less than the risk of the covid. One of my collegue lost her smell and taste SINCE MARCH after a covid infection, and this alone would be extremely disturbing for me because I love eating. Also, me and my wife are trying to have a son and the effect of the infection during the first months of pregnancy is unclear,  I don't want to act as a vector and infect her. And my parents are almost 80 years old and I saw them like 3 or 4 times in the last year for the fear of killing them.

Value the risk balance and take your choice. Just one more thing, the ethical aspect: you are helping in saving lifes. If we manage to get a sufficient number of people vaccinated, we are out of this. Your choice is going to influence not only your life, but also other's one. The same goes for the mask and everything, flat-earthers does harm to nobody but covid negationists are actually killing people.

The vaccine is not yet distributed in my country, as they prioritize the health workers, police and military personnel. The stand you take in this reply is pretty solid, and make me think of the reasons why do I fear the vaccine in the first place. Thank you for your inputs. I made up my mind to take the doses of vaccine that will be distributed in our city in February.

I have anxiety for things that I am not sure of, so the questioning I made, and thanks to you, I gained the trust I need to relieve the stress and anxiousness that I feel towards the vaccine. Salute.

Please, keep the updates for your second dose of the vaccine, as well as the results a week later after the second one. I'll gladly use your information and insights if I will take the vaccine or not in February.

I've had both doses of the Pfizer vaccine and have only experienced some mild arm pain on both occasions. Anecdotally from my colleagues, the second dose seems to have cause a couple more mild side effects than the first (a bit more muscles aches and a couple of low grade fevers), and that seems to be reflected in the evidence from the studies. All in, no serious reactions and everyone here jumping at the chance to take the vaccine. Good to know the people I work with and live around me aren't as crazy as half the people in this thread.

Thank you for the input, I will definitely put this into my consideration, and sure to rest assure if I feel some mild fever after the 1st and 2nd dose.

[Tash]

[tvbcof]

The vaccine is not yet distributed in my country, as they prioritize the health workers, police and military personnel. The stand you take in this reply is pretty solid, and make me think of the reasons why do I fear the vaccine in the first place. Thank you for your inputs. I made up my mind to take the doses of vaccine that will be distributed in our city in February.

I have anxiety for things that I am not sure of, so the questioning I made, and thanks to you, I gained the trust I need to relieve the stress and anxiousness that I feel towards the vaccine. Salute.

If God has your back, you'll end up in the first line of cars:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/8iGCA8Gz2uJQ/

[franky1]

If God has your back, you'll end up in the first line of cars:

if someone has your back. then your spineless. you have no backbone of your own and rely on others to hold you up

[tvbcof]

If God has your back, you'll end up in the first line of cars:

if someone has your back. then your spineless. you have no backbone of your own and rely on others to hold you up

Funny because I have great confidence in my body's ability to deal with so-called 'covid' and have tried to become exposed to it for about 7 months now since it became clear that my chances of having any problem more serious than the common cold are very near zero and my body has been kicking these things out for over 50 years all by itself with not even a day off work (back when I had to work.)

On the other hand, you idiots are begging Bill Gates to have his scientists code up some new genetic material for you to take into your cells to save you from the big bad scamdemic.  He's more than glad to do it.  What a swell guy he is!

We'll see who's strategy works out better for 'the herd'.

[Tash]

Authorities are hiding masses of corona vaccination damage!

All over the world, people die after the Covid-19 vaccination and countless victims suffer from cramps, paralysis and other terrible side effects.

Here is a collection of reported side effects that document the dangers of Covid-19 vaccines:

1 The 41-year-old Portuguese health worker dies two days after receiving the Pfizer Covid vaccine and her father says he wants answers. (see Daily Mail)
2 Mexican doctor hospitalized after receiving COVID-19 vaccine. (see Reuters)
3 Hundreds of Israelis become infected with Covid-19 after receiving the Pfizer / BioNTech vaccine. (see RT)
4 The wife of the 56-year-old “perfectly healthy” doctor from Miami, who died of a blood disease 16 days after receiving the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine, is certain that it was caused by the vaccine when the pharmaceutical giant did investigated first death with suspected vaccination. (see Daily Mail)
5 75-year-old Israeli dies 2 hours after receiving Covid-19 vaccine. (see Israel National News)
6 Death of a Swiss after Pfizer vaccination. (see Reuters)
7 88 year old collapses and dies a few hours after vaccination. (see Israel National News)
8 Thousands Affected by Side Effects after Covid-19 Vaccine. (see The Epoch Times)
9 Hospital employee without previous allergies in the intensive care unit with severe reaction after Pfizer Covid vaccination. (see Metro)
10) 4 volunteers develop FACIAL PARALYSIS after taking Pfizer Covid-19, prompting the FDA to recommend "monitoring for cases". (see RT)
11 An investigation was opened when two people died in the Norwegian nursing home days after receiving the Covid-19 vaccine from Pfizer. (see RT)
12 Hundreds were sent to the emergency room after receiving COVID-19 vaccines. (see The Epoch Times)
13 US Officials Report More Severe Allergic Reactions To COVID-19 Vaccines! (see Reuters)
14 NHS said people with a history of allergic reactions should not receive Covid vaccine. (see The Guardian)
15 COVID-19: A single dose of vaccine leads to a “higher risk” for new coronavirus variants, South African experts warn. (see Sky News)
16 At least 21 Americans have experienced life-threatening allergic reactions to Pfizer's COVID vaccine, according to the CDC. (see Daily Mail)
17 COVID vaccine side effects are more common after the 2nd dose. (see CBS)
18 Bulgaria reports 4 cases of side effects from the Pfizer Covid vaccine. (see NDTV)
19 Two NHS employees are allergic to the Pfizer vaccine. (see Telegraph)
20 Coronavirus vaccinations seem to cause 50 times more flu vaccine adverse events after the first of two shots. (see Ron Paul Institute)
21 "I Just Don't Believe It" - Jeff Gundlach raises questions about the 95% effectiveness rate of COVID Vaccine. (see LaptrinhX)
22 Doctors warn of side effects of the COVID-19 vaccine: "It won't be a walk in the park!" (See Zero Hedge)
23 Professor Dolores Cahill: Why people start dying a few months after the first mRNA vaccination. (see Lew Rockwell)
24 Ten Post-Vaccine Deaths - Why You Shouldn't Worry. (see NOZ)
25 (23 dead in Norway) Norway warns of vaccination risks for sick patients over 80 years (see Bloomberg)

and just in
https://www.rt.com/news/512736-israel-facial-paralysis-13-covid-vaccine/

[mindrust]

RNA treatments don't meet the legal definition of a vaccine
https://medicalkidnap.com/2021/01/13/dr-david-martin-on-experimental-mrna-covid-vaccines-this-is-not-a-vaccine-it-is-a-medical-device/

“This is not a vaccine.”

   We need to be really clear. We’re using the term “vaccine” to sneak this thing under public health exemptions.
  *  This is not a vaccine. This is an mRNA packaged in a fat envelope, that is delivered to a cell.
  *  It is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator.
  *  It is not a vaccine. Vaccines actually are a legally defined term, and they’re a legally defined term under public health law, they’re legally defined term under the      CDC and FDA standards.
  *  And a vaccine specifically has to stimulate both an immunity within the person who is receiving it, but it also has to disrupt transmission.
  *  And that is not what this is. They have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand that is going into the cell, it is not to stop transmission. It is a treatment.
  *  But if it was discussed as a treatment, it would not get the sympathetic ear of the public health authorities, because then people would say, well what other treatments are there?

That is actually a very good argument.

I read something similar about these mrna vaccines before (that they don't prevent transmission...) I believe the authorities confirmed that information too but I am too lazy to find it.

Great find.

[franky1]

meanwhile relative of mine just had their first jab today(pfizer).. perfectly fine. back at home drinking a JackD&coke.
said the waiting room had on average 10 people at a time coming in and out as their 15 minute waits began or ended and al those whos time ended just got up and left as if they thought waiting time after their jab was a waste of their time.

so this person im related to is older and has more underlying issues than me. so im not spineless and afraid. when its my turn to have it i will.

..
as for the fearful antivaxxers in this threat. when there have been millions of doses given and your finding it hard to find millions of deaths. heck hard to find thousands of deaths.. then it just goes to show thats its not a killer compared to the odds of dying due to covid.

seems antivaxxers might just be afraid of needles,

so its not a 50% nor 5% nor 0.5% nor 0.05% risk.
but hey antivaxxers will always ignore facts and just quote their favourite conspiracy linked scripts

[franky1]

RNA treatments don't meet the legal definition of a vaccine

Dr david martin.. lets see if he an immunologist... or had any first hand experience of vaccine development or first hand knowledge of covid
.. nope he is a corporate adviser. self admitted on his website

so lets hear if this guy sounds like a dr of medicine or a business spokesmen
if he sounds like a business spokesman then he obviously is just paid to say whats scripted to him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC3YZDp9V9o

yep. he is sounding like a paid speaker to me

[tvbcof]

meanwhile relative of mine just had their first jab today.. perfectly fine. back at home drinking a JackD&coke.
...

Sure.  Kick back and wait for a wild strain to come along and enjoy the cytokine storm from pathenogenic priming.  Or cancer.

so its not a 50% nor 5% nor 0.5% nor 0.05% risk.

Even if that is true, your relative is now in a trial to find those numbers out (unless you are just making shit up).  No matter what the number, it is a risk for no particularly tangible reward.  Again, a tiny perceived reduction in the symptoms of 'covid 19' is all that it means for this thing to 'work' as the phony trials were designed.  Who cares if you have a runny nose for two days or three?

People who think that 'if we all just get our shots than things will get back to normal.' are in for a rude awakening.  It's a lie just as was the 'two weeks to flatten the curve'.  Some people never learn.

OTOH, people who think that getting Gates' designer DNA is a doing noble service for mankind are not completely wrong depending on how one looks at things.  I'm mean what with Darwin's theories and all that.  Dumb-shits are not a drain on the banker's pocketbooks alone, and without people like that, the WEF wouldn't have been able to pull off the scamdemic needed to get rid of them.

[franky1]

and tvbcof does it again.. show off he is a covid denier
thinking hundreds of thousands dont die due to covid

90mill covid cases 2mill deaths
36mil covid vaccines. but no 800k deaths

so on balance vaccines are better than getting covid
yep if there were 800,001 vaccine deaths then it would show covid is less risk than vaccine
but because there is not 100k vaccine death. vaccine is 8x safer than covid
but because there is not 8k vaccine death. vaccine is 100x safer than covid

with people being 10% risk of breathing trouble with covid but 0.001% breathing trouble risk with vaccine. the vaccine is 10,000x safer than covid

[BADecker]

Since 96% of US Covid deaths are CDC attributed to something else...
... and since the real Covid deaths (about 15,000 in the US) are symptomatic of a combination of flu and pneumonia...
... and since Covid hasn't been isolated in a way that shows it harms anyone...
... and since the vaccine developers know this...
... there is no reason to trust a vaccine, including all the vaccines of the past, which have always been doing way more harm than good, and wouldn't have anything to do with the non-existent Covid, anyway.

[franky1]

and here he goes again same script as 9 month ago 'not been isolated'
seems badecker has had 2 influencers glued to him.. trump and kaufman.

when will bdecker ever stop listening to idiot and start checking the fact like reading the reports.
and no badecker dont even pretend you have not been linked the reports. you have. please just check your post history because your brains memory seems to be not enough.

the covid deaths are where the virus triggers a multitude of symptoms. where the severe covod can either kill you due to lack of oxygen. or heart related due to soo much strain. or other organ damage due to heart/oxygen issues. aswell as over inflaination.
this does not mean that its not a covid death as there is a clear causal line of symptoms.

death certificates do not just say 'covid' they have a clear lineage of symptoms leading upto death.
atleast try to realise this stuff

[erre]

This world is a mess. Really. I see why you are angry and disbelief everything "official". Governments are generally corrupted and many data are faked, and economic reasons rule over humanitarian ones. But there's not a simple truth you will be able to grasp in some obscure internet forum.

When I read here about people "trying to get covid" I feel just how you would feel if i state that I negate the aids existence and goes around trying to get it.

Worst of that there are actually little chances I will get your mum infected with hiv, but you morons could actually kill mine with covid acting like that.

Please, please belive it: this thing killed many people, also people i personally knew, almost all of them were old but losing your parents during a pandemic is not an easy job. And, normally, an healthy 80 years old man with a couple of underlying conditions (i.e. diabetes and hypertension) would be considered rock healty, it's not a "meh of course he died he was old and ill".

You are not fighting the Rothschilds or the big pharma if you goes around potentially infecting people. If you don't want to get your vaccine it's ok, but "trying to get covid" is  a criminal behavior because it involves not only you, but also others, especially the most fragile ones.

[Gyfts]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/business/economy/december-2020-jobs-report.html

This is old news but I think it's relevant because it shows the direction of the economy which ties into the vaccine.

There is no way life can return to normal without herd immunity through a vaccine and we have too large of the population who will not take the vaccine. I don't really blame them. The vaccine distribution plan has failed miserably because local states are letting vaccines go to waste with inefficient logistics.

[BADecker]

^^^ Good thing it is old news. The new news shows that the best herd immunity is natural without medicine or vaccine, and that the vaccine will change society way more than if we just stopped here and took off ignoring the thing we called Covid.

This info doesn't come from somebody simply saying it. It comes from professionals, doctors and researchers. And it comes from people who have won lawsuits against the CDC, the NIH, the FDA, and others.

It comes from the professionals interviewed here - https://www.bitchute.com/channel/okiFK5CwQrZS/, and the attorneys behind this - https://www.icandecide.org/.

[franky1]

It comes from the conspiracy influencers paid spokemen interviewed here - https://www.bitchute.com/channel/okiFK5CwQrZS/

fixed that from you.

for a conspiracy nut. you are soo very quick to auto trust other nuts who are trying to claim things whilst asking for donations.

normally conspiracy nuts are very wary of people telling them info while asking or money or trying to sell them chemicals in pill form.

but here is people like badecker blindly trusting these other nuts. i wonder why?

..
its like some stranger hits badecker at the back of the head. then says to badecker 'someone else done it, ill be your friend and cuddle you' and suddenly badecker trusts his abuser because they are the only one offering cuddles.

[BADecker]

It comes from the conspiracy influencers paid spokemen interviewed here - https://www.bitchute.com/channel/okiFK5CwQrZS/

fixed that from you.

for a conspiracy nut. you are soo very quick to auto trust other nuts who are trying to claim things whilst asking for donations.

normally conspiracy nuts are very wary of people telling them info while asking or money or trying to sell them chemicals in pill form.

but here is people like badecker blindly trusting these other nuts. i wonder why?

..
its like some stranger hits badecker at the back of the head. then says to badecker 'someone else done it, ill be your friend and cuddle you' and suddenly badecker trusts his abuser because they are the only one offering cuddles.

You have had way more conspiracy theory practice than I have. You are steeped in the Covid conspiracy with the conspiracy theory that Covid exists.

[Natsuu]

It comes from the conspiracy influencers paid spokemen interviewed here - https://www.bitchute.com/channel/okiFK5CwQrZS/

fixed that from you.

for a conspiracy nut. you are soo very quick to auto trust other nuts who are trying to claim things whilst asking for donations.

normally conspiracy nuts are very wary of people telling them info while asking or money or trying to sell them chemicals in pill form.

but here is people like badecker blindly trusting these other nuts. i wonder why?

..
its like some stranger hits badecker at the back of the head. then says to badecker 'someone else done it, ill be your friend and cuddle you' and suddenly badecker trusts his abuser because they are the only one offering cuddles.

You have had way more conspiracy theory practice than I have. You are steeped in the Covid conspiracy with the conspiracy theory that Covid exists.

If we're talking about conspiracy here, you are one who led that. The statements we give are backed by research and studies, while your statements are only backed by few articles who misunderstood the phrases in the researches. You even point out the misunderstanding in the letter given by CDC, who were already been debunked, yet you honestly believed in it.

That's a conspiracy theorist right there.