Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?

[Tash]

Get a load of this
No i will not be tested, wear certified mask or get stabbed
https://www.brighteon.com/f92184da-eb57-4b32-bc00-af3262902832

[franky1]

tvbcof

3rd time.. because you are being soo very obtuse

simple answer
the "package" the "vector" you keep flip flopping
describe it!!

is it full dna or a section of genetic material(known as rna) that passes the nucleus membrane to get into the nucleus of the cell of the person getting the vaccine

come on. for once stop being vague and stop flip flopping

just say it and stick by it
full dna or rna passing the nucleus membrane

[tvbcof]

tvbcof

3rd time.. because you are being soo very obtuse

simple answer
the "package" the "vector" you keep flip flopping
describe it!!

'package' is a collection of genetic material.  In the case of AstraZeneca, it is genetic material from a chimpanzee adenovirus (a DNA virus) with additional DNA synthesized in a commercial scale factory facility now.

To 'vector', in this context, relates to moving a thing from point A to point B.  In this case, moving the 'genetics package' from the needle into the nucleus of some of the victim's cells.

HTH.

Wikipedia for 'transduction' has some nice diagrams which may or may not help you conceptualize things a little better, but since you don't seem to know the difference between bacteria and higher life forms, make sure you skip down to the part titled 'Mammalian cell transduction with viral vectors'.

[franky1]

seeing as your flip floping..
now your linking stuff about 'getting it into cells' but YOU are then saying needle into the nucleus
(dang must be a very small needle. and a very accurate hand to target the nucleus)
(just incase you are now rebuttling that its the needle pierces and allows the passing into a nucleus by force)

i know you seem to want to confuse the cell membrane and the cells nucleus membrane

but for a 4th time.

what do YOU believe passed through the pores of the nucleus membrane
i can predict you are quickly going to google something and find a new buzzword to hide what you dont know. but just throwing in words that make it appear you know just because you say a buzzword..
... but just get to the point.

be very firm in your belief and stand by it and give your simple answer.

do you believe DNA passes through the NUCLEUS MEMBRANE
heck ill make it completely simple. dont quote anything above or distract yourself with grammar games of the above

quote one of these:
tvbcof believes DNA passes through the NUCLEUS MEMBRANE
[X] yes             [  ]no

tvbcof believes DNA passes through the NUCLEUS MEMBRANE
[  ] yes             [X]no

[Similificator]

Although it may be evident all throughout the years how important and useful vaccines or vaccinations are, I am still very hesitant with the vaccines being released right now. although I couldn't be sure about those news of people dying because of some covid-19 vaccines, it's still scary to think about. Although, if within a few months, the results of these vaccines to other people are great, then I may consider taking it myself and letting my family get vaccinated too. but for now, it's a big no no for me.

[tvbcof]

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do you believe DNA passes through the NUCLEUS MEMBRANE
heck ill make it completely simple. dont quote anything above or distract yourself with grammar games of the above

quote one of these:
tvbcof believes DNA passes through the NUCLEUS MEMBRANE
[X] yes             [  ]no
...

Yup.  That's how certain classes of viruses work including adenovirus.  That's why they are useful for transduction of DNA into the cell nucleus of a victim.  Here's just the first thing I pulled up which might help you understand the process better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX39LTVIEXQ

Maybe you are a person who fell for Kaufman's bullshit 'viruses don't exist' psy-op?  Or the flat-earth psy-op?  Or the global warming psy-op?  Gullible people who don't really have the mental machinery to understand basic science tend to fall for these idiotic things as a group.

[Tash]

Quick lets put some poison in the veins....
Russian roulette

Dont be alarmed if people die after vaccine, it's normal
https://vaccineimpact.com/2020/cnn-dont-be-alarmed-if-people-start-dying-after-taking-the-vaccine/

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/58-year-old-mother-and-grandmother-of-six-in-virginia-dies-within-hours-of-receiving-experimental-pfizer-mrna-injection/

Remember
"Even after you’re vaccinated, social distancing and wearing masks will be essential"

[IIV]

They did their best and made vaccines with good intentions but as we already have more than 50% herd immunity, corona is going away even without vaccines. I would not risk taking one if I already have the antibodies.

[BADecker]

The major reason why we have Covid is this. Over the last two decades, and the last decade, especially, the medical has been giving us free flu vaccines all over the place. Every year we get a flu vaccine. Every year our immune system is weakened from it. Finally, our immune systems have been weakened enough that the medical leaders could spring Covid on us, and it worked.

Get the Covid vaccine, and weaken your immune system even more. But the next one "they" spring on us will kill you dead. Because your immune system won't be able to fight the next one at all.


Doctors now warn about permanent damage and cardiovascular events following COVID-19 vaccination

More doctors are speaking out about the harms of new COVID-19 vaccines. Cardiothoracic surgeon, Dr. Hooman Noorchashm, M.D., Ph.D. is one of them. Dr. Noorchashm says that the covid-19 vaccines will almost certainly cause an antigen-specific immune response; however, if viral antigens are present in the tissues of recipients at the time of vaccination, the vaccine-augmented immune response will turn the immune system against those tissues, causing inflammation that can lead to blood clot formation. This destructive auto-immune effect could do significant damage to endothelial cells of elderly patients who already suffer from cardiovascular disease. There have already been numerous reports of unexplained cardiovascular fatalities following covid-19 vaccination across Norway, Germany, the UK, Gibraltar and the United States.

Vaccine causes recently-infected persons to experience autoimmune vascular damage

Dr. Noorchashm's findings are consistent with the research findings of Dr. J. Patrick Whelan, M.D., Ph.D., who shared similar concerns with the FDA in early December of 2020. Whelan warned that a recently-infected patient who is subject to covid-19 vaccination is likely to suffer from autoimmune attacks along the ACE-2 receptors present in the heart, and in the microvasculature of the brain, liver and kidney. The risk is doubled because two shots are required.

It is a well documented fact that SARS-CoV-2, the Wuhan coronavirus, readily targets humans through the vascular endothelium. The virus is known to enter into endothelial cells through the ACE-2 receptor on the endothelium. Because of this unique gain-of-function, one of the medical emergencies that may occur in covid-19 patients is thromboembolic complications (formation of a blood clot inside a blood vessel). If viral antigens are present in the endothelial lining of blood vessels, then the vaccine will cause an antigen-specific immune response that attacks those precious tissues, potentially causing cardiovascular events. The research warns that the vaccine is "almost certain to do damage to the vascular endothelium," especially in the elderly. This vaccine-induced endothelial inflammation is "certain to cause blood clot formation with the potential for major thromboembolic complications in a subset of such patients," he warns.

Dr. Noorchashm concludes, "Therefore, it is my respectful request that FDA, in collaboration with Pfizer and Moderna, immediately and at the very minimum, institute clear recommendations to clinicians that they delay immunization in any recently convalescent patients, as well as any known symptomatic or asymptomatic carriers — and to actively screen as many patients with high cardiovascular risk as is reasonably possible, in order to detect the presence of SARS-CoV-2, prior to vaccinating them."

[franky1]

vaccines are not immune supressers

the medications listed in badeckers footnote are immune supressers. and he knows it

[tvbcof]

vaccines are not immune supressers
...

I agree with that.  The adjuvated ones (most of them) are more like nitro-methane and nitrous oxide for the immune system.  You have to drive the immune system into a state of confused overdrive in order to achieve the level of antibodies needed for regulatory approval.

It's very much like a manufacturer of piston rings and connecting rods (pharmaceuticals) having a side business of selling nitro-methane to dumb-shit kids to blast into their beater Honda.  Also having a 'tunning' side-business where the 'specialist' (doctor) chips the boost limiter to absurd levels.

The fall-out in the case of a car is that you get the dumb-shit kid into your store month after month for a new set of rings and fixes for their thrown rod.  In medical/industrial complex land it is repeat customers to try to deal with their multitude of auto-immunity issues.

[Natsuu]

They did their best and made vaccines with good intentions but as we already have more than 50% herd immunity, corona is going away even without vaccines. I would not risk taking one if I already have the antibodies.

Did you got the covid so you have antibodies?

How did you got the antibodies?

Im curious.

[BADecker]

This is the equivalent of watching two hobos trying to school each other in astrophysics.

And a gene (nutildah) not being able to understand them.    

[Gyfts]

To all you arguing about the vaccine and referring to healthcare workers  - https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-12-31/healthcare-workers-refuse-covid-19-vaccine-access

Long story short, if you're someone that has a high chance of dying from COVID, aka fat, disgustingly overweight, heart problems, so on, you should get the vaccine. If you're young and healthy, the vaccine isn't going to do you much good. That's probably why healthcare workers aren't all getting vaccinated.

A healthcare worker on the frontlines that's been exposing themselves to COVID and has been fine thus far is probably thinking that they don't need the vaccine. It's hard to convince them that they do because the point of a young person taking the vaccine is not to help themselves, but to ensure that young person doesn't spread the virus around.

So how do you make the case that a young healthy person should take the vaccine when clinical trials haven't examined long term effects? Kinda tough to. I don't think you're anti-vax if you refuse getting the COVID vaccine.

[erre]

https://youtu.be/CY_DO9rT-Yg

[franky1]

in the UK there is a high % of uptake of the vaccine in healthcare workers (way above 90%)
the main healthcare resistance concern is that the frail and elderly should get it first as they are in need and healthcare workers can just get it later.

the non-healthcare groups that seem to be resistant are the people of non-white ethnicity.
but even this is a small percentage of resistance in the uk(70-90% still taking the vaccine)
but this 10-30% resistance is due mainly from the antivax trolls targetting the 'BAME'(black,asian.mixed ethnic) community, by trolls saying that nutrition and profit making supplements and herbs are a cure/alternative whilst saying vaccines are evil.

as for gyft thinking too simply that the younger generations are automatically immune or safe. not so simple.. viral load is an important factor. high viral load=more sick. (more of a infection battle to fight.)
so limit disrespecting others personal space is still advised, even for the young.
(kids dont die as much but they are cesspits of infection and passing infection)
(luckily most kids have parents that keep kids in bed/home if they are sick)

anyway. over the next 6month-Xyears there are 4 choices:
1. viral immunity(high load)(-10 franky score)
     --- lick faces, hug strangers and just not care about health risks to you while disrespecting space
     --- increasing risk of health consequences to others while you disrespect space.
      -- hope to have under 85% risk of getting sick, but no guarantee
      -- hope to have under 4% risk of death, but no guarantee
2. viral immunity(low load)(-5 franky score)
    ++-respect personal space, limit time near people. but still have risk
     +--get low dose/low viral load infection from the virus in the lung(risk to lung health)
      -- hard to predict/calculate how much your getting when you socialise respecting personal space
      -- hope to have under 20% risk of getting sick, but no guarantee
      -- hope to have under 1% risk of death, but no guarantee
3. vaccine immunity(+10 franky score)
      ++ by prescribed inoculation in the arm(no lung damage risk)
      ++ avoid the 50%+ mild symptoms of covid that last 5-14 days
      -+  but have a under 10% of mild adverse reaction in the arm that last 2 days
      ++ avoid the 15% severe symptoms of covid
      -+  but have the under 1% risk severe adverse reaction
      ++ avoid the 1-4% covid death
      ++ but have the 0.001% risk of vaccine caused death
4. isolate for XX time(years)(-6 franky score)
      -- hope eventually the virus will eventually phase itself out
      -- keep waiting
      -- keep waiting

playing the % odds of risk. 3 is still best

[Tash]

No India does not trust it.
https://thecovidblog.com/2021/02/07/india-health-regulators-reject-emergency-use-authorization-for-pfizer-mrna-shots/

[Mauser]

No India does not trust it.
https://thecovidblog.com/2021/02/07/india-health-regulators-reject-emergency-use-authorization-for-pfizer-mrna-shots/

I thought India is going for the Astra Zeneca vaccine because its the cheapest to produce. With only 2 USD per shot you could get 10 of these for 1 Pfizer Biontech vaccine. At the moment we read about all these different vaccines out there but there is no real comparisons between them. With the Russian one and the new one from Johnson & Johnson we are up to 5 different types of vaccine now.

[tvbcof]

No India does not trust it.
https://thecovidblog.com/2021/02/07/india-health-regulators-reject-emergency-use-authorization-for-pfizer-mrna-shots/

I thought India is going for the Astra Zeneca vaccine because its the cheapest to produce. With only 2 USD per shot you could get 10 of these for 1 Pfizer Biontech vaccine. At the moment we read about all these different vaccines out there but there is no real comparisons between them. With the Russian one and the new one from Johnson & Johnson we are up to 5 different types of vaccine now.

Lots and lots of companies who had new drug or 'platform' that they wanted to test out for free (govt money, govt tracking, and legal indemnity) jumped on the band-wagon with 'covid-19'.  Obviously most had been in development for a while, and some of them are claiming that they got an infusing of extra money in the middle of 2019 to get ready.  Got it from the expected players (Gates Foundation, GAVI, etc.)

I follow this where they are tracking about 80 of these things:  https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/

'Covid-19' is exactly the kind of problems that the 'vaccine' makers love to 'resolve'.  It's very easy to solve a problem which doesn't exist.  On top of that, there was gigantic amount of money and political pressure to build the non-problem into a scary monster in order to accomplish various things (economic devastation as a cover for shadow banking system problems, Gates' ID2020 digital identification program, etc) and a roadmap for having the monster disappear anyway (to be replaced by a series of 'waves' and 'strains' and what-not giving an additional benefit of a non-stop market for follow-on 'vaccines' as well as an easy out when the 'vaccines' don't seem to do shit for the 'disease.')

Many people have been scammed, and we're just getting started.

[MUHAMMAD NUR AMANAH]

I don't think it's entirely believable because there's so much controversy and controversy that people are responding to it even though my country's President has been the first recipient. There's a lot of rumors circulating in many matters of religion that some people shouldn't use, some say it's a political game and many more, and those things are making me believe in this vaccine, and I pray that the pandemic will soon be over and back to normal again