Do you trust the co-vid19 vaccine ?

[tvbcof]

RNA treatments don't meet the legal definition of a vaccine
https://medicalkidnap.com/2021/01/13/dr-david-martin-on-experimental-mrna-covid-vaccines-this-is-not-a-vaccine-it-is-a-medical-device/

“This is not a vaccine.”

   We need to be really clear. We’re using the term “vaccine” to sneak this thing under public health exemptions.
  *  This is not a vaccine. This is an mRNA packaged in a fat envelope, that is delivered to a cell.
  *  It is a medical device designed to stimulate the human cell into becoming a pathogen creator.
  *  It is not a vaccine. Vaccines actually are a legally defined term, and they’re a legally defined term under public health law, they’re legally defined term under the      CDC and FDA standards.
  *  And a vaccine specifically has to stimulate both an immunity within the person who is receiving it, but it also has to disrupt transmission.
  *  And that is not what this is. They have been abundantly clear in saying that the mRNA strand that is going into the cell, it is not to stop transmission. It is a treatment.
  *  But if it was discussed as a treatment, it would not get the sympathetic ear of the public health authorities, because then people would say, well what other treatments are there?

To be fair, there are no studies that I know of which demonstrate that victims of this gene therapy DO transmit either.

What I've heard is the Moderna chief medical officer (and Israeli intel agent) Tal Zaks say that the millions (or billions?) of U.S. taxpayer dollars given to Moderna was not enough to figure out if their product stopped people from getting and spreading the SARS-cov-2 virus.  So it is just an unknown.  If further work on this is not underway then it's probably the case that people transmit the virus just fine.

As designed, the treatment is deemed 'efficacious' if the average person will have a fever for three days without the shot and two days with the shot should the become infected with SARS-cov-2 and have any symptoms at all.  That is to say, if any of the symptoms of so-called 'covid-19' are reduced, then the pre-emptive gene therapy treatment 'works' from a regulatory standpoint.

There is a catch though.  The 'reduced symptoms' clock only starts something like 7 or 14 days after the shots.  This to avoid counting 'side effects' of the gene therapy treatment.  Of course since the timeframe of the trials was so short there is no meaningful end-time of this window.

By calling this re-tooling of a gene therapy that the (productless) Moderna has been working on for 10 years a 'vaccine' the corporation can more easily obtain complete indemnification for any harm done to the test subjects.  And anyone getting the shot is, both functionally and legally, a 'test subject' and will be under rigorous surveillance for a few years.  But then so will everyone else as well most likely.

[erre]

Hello there, I write on the forum rarely these times but I'm glad my post about me getting a vaccine as a doctor got some interest.

First thing I am (but I was pretty sure about it) feeling well, and the dozen collegues who work with me - all of them choosed to take the vaccine-  are right as well. A couple got some pain at the injection site for a day, a couple some fatigue sensation for a day. About 30/40 of the auxiliary personal of my unit took the vaccine too (not all of them, like one in ten refused) and one of them got fewer for one day; in the whole hospital (i think 500 or so vaccinated so far) we didn't had a single serious reaction.

I know that's no way to convince the hardcore conspiracy theorists, but if someone is having reasonable concerns about the novel mrna vaccines I had too, I studied and I finally got to the conclusion there's no reason to have such concerns.

I don't want to debunk every single fake information, do what you want people, this is just my bitcent.

[tvbcof]

Hello there, I write on the forum rarely these times but I'm glad my post about me getting a vaccine as a doctor got some interest.

First thing I am (but I was pretty sure about it) feeling well, and the dozen collegues who work with me - all of them choosed to take the vaccine-  are right as well. A couple got some pain at the injection site for a day, a couple some fatigue sensation for a day. About 30/40 of the auxiliary personal of my unit took the vaccine too (not all of them, like one in ten refused)

Could you at lease characterize your organization and give a regional location?  This because I would like to figure out the difference between facilities where it is grudgingly reported that the rejection rate is closer to 50% among medical professionals.

and one of them got fewer for one day; in the whole hospital (i think 500 or so vaccinated so far) we didn't had a single serious reaction.

Why do you suppose that other institutions who have likely fewer staff (e.g., Juneau) might have several people with problem while the percentage for your institution was much less?

I could see two likely explanations:

 - 'they' are being more careful now to avoid people who might have problems

 - you are propagandizing and are lying which is a pretty easy thing to do as an anonymous person on a random forum.

I know that's no way to convince the hardcore conspiracy theorists, but if someone is having reasonable concerns about the novel mrna vaccines I had too, I studied and I finally got to the conclusion there's no reason to have such concerns.

I don't want to debunk every single fake information, do what you want people, this is just my bitcent.

I'd be interested to know if you, as a purported doctor, have seen any vids of supposedly injected persons who are supposed displaying neurological symptoms who seem, in your expert opinion, to be faking.

It's an honest question if you've been reading my posts on the subject.  Oileo is also welcome to expand his list past the '33 year old doctor' who he called as a fake.

Presumably you two putative doctors would agree with the doctor from Harvard Johns Hopkins who says that the Florida doctor who lost all his platelets due to an autoimmunity reaction and died is 'medically certain' to have had is condition brought on by the injection so we don't need to discus that one.  Unless, of course, you wish to.

Edit: institution fix

[erre]

My hospital is a small hospital in Northern Italy.

According to my point of view this vaccine had delivered in some (not all) of the fat cells of my arm some mrna, which will go to my ribosomes (not dna) and transcript some surface proteins. The covid surface proteins will not turn my fat cell into a pathogen, painting an enemy flag on you car doesn't turn it into an enemy tank. It is just a cell tainted as enemy, so that my immune system will recognize the enemy faster the next time.

I'm not particularly interested in debunking because I lack the interest in this argument, and debunking is an hard work. I already work too much. I just spend two words about it because I think it's astonishing that in my reality some auxiliary personal (and among them even nurses) are refusing to get the vaccine, and some of them are not even plain morons. So here is my anonymous voice stating that people should not be worried to get the vaccine.

But I have to admit that I also sticked to some conspiracy theories like 9/11 or some strange interpretation of seigniorage when I was younger and fooler, only later i understood how much I sounded stupid.

[franky1]

rejection rate closer to 50%?
just because you might find a conspiracy site that links say 10 of its own idiots facebooks where they say no. does not mean thats is only 20 people offered a vaccine.
you cant do non supported backward maths to make something sound like 50%

also even if the vaccine does protect from incubated transmission. with the number of idiots refusing the vaccine and then going around in some form of weird protest to touch random things after coughing into their hand. then yes touch transmission will still happen
EG
an antivaxxer gets sick. they spit on a grocery cart handle.
a vaccinated person touches the handle and later food which their unvaccinated kid eats. the kid then gets mild sickness and then passes it to his grandparents and school class. where the teachers and grandparents get it more severe. tracing it back they would see the vaccinated person was a 'contact' middleman.

a vaccine does not stop touch transmission.

its like someone not smoking to stop risk of lung cancer.. but his idiot family smoke around him.. thus there is still a risk.
hanging around with unvaccinated people that dont give a crap about respecting other people. means the virus will still be in the community. so can you idiot antivaxxers atleast respect people and hygiene as a minimum

[BADecker]

Time to arrest these crooks who are messing with our lives.


The Literal Crimes of Dr. Fauci, Dr. Redfield, and Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar

1. 18 US Code § 2339 Funding and conspiring to engage in acts of terror against the citizens of the United States
2. 18 US Code § 2331, Section 802 of the Patriot Act, Willfully lying and coercing a population to induce fear in that population for self interest.
3. 18 US Code § 1001 In October of 2020, Lying to Congress
4. 15 US Code §1 – 3 Conspiring to commit criminal activity by appropriating US taxpayer dollars to funnel the taxpayer money into their market selected corporate interest, including Moderna, Pfizer, Gilead Sciences and others.
5. 15 US Code § 8 Engaging in market manipulation and market allocation by price fixing the prices of vaccines and therapeutic interventions for COVID-19.
6. 15 US Code § 19 A federal felony crime of interlocking directorates, controlling the means, motive and message around the COVID-19 campaign.
7. 35 US Code § 206 Violation of disclosure of government interest as Fauci failed to disclose 40 patents worth $40 billion per year from which he personally benefits.
8. 35 US Code § 101 Violation of patent law by patenting nature.

[Watch the video. https://www.bitchute.com/embed/AT13IAHRT1fJ/]

[Natsuu]

Hello there, I write on the forum rarely these times but I'm glad my post about me getting a vaccine as a doctor got some interest.

First thing I am (but I was pretty sure about it) feeling well, and the dozen collegues who work with me - all of them choosed to take the vaccine-  are right as well. A couple got some pain at the injection site for a day, a couple some fatigue sensation for a day. About 30/40 of the auxiliary personal of my unit took the vaccine too (not all of them, like one in ten refused) and one of them got fewer for one day; in the whole hospital (i think 500 or so vaccinated so far) we didn't had a single serious reaction.

I know that's no way to convince the hardcore conspiracy theorists, but if someone is having reasonable concerns about the novel mrna vaccines I had too, I studied and I finally got to the conclusion there's no reason to have such concerns.

I don't want to debunk every single fake information, do what you want people, this is just my bitcent.

I am for one salute all the doctors and nurses who face these viruses and diseases on a daily basis. I am glad that you and your colleagues turned out fine and well.

We can't put blame on people who wouldn't want to take the vaccine as they might have the same reasons as mine, avoiding risk by letting others first.

I am not a doctor, nor have studied to medicine-related courses, but I will trust my gut and think that you're not a fake in this forum.

Please, keep the updates for your second dose of the vaccine, as well as the results a week later after the second one. I'll gladly use your information and insights if I will take the vaccine or not in February.

[franky1]

so i have a family member having the vaccine today
so if they have nasty adverse reactions more then just the expected pain in arm and normal immune responses. then ill lock my account and never return

meaning any fainting, convulsions, seizures, unconsciousness, allergic reaction, trouble breathing, death. ill stop using bitcointalk.

yep they over 65 yep they have underlying conditions.
..so yea ill play the odds against my account

12hours from time of this post ill have some answers about initial reactions. and heck. ill even extend it for them severe adverse issues over the next month. (though many would say 2 days are fine)

[tvbcof]

Again, I didn't say anything about 'seizure'.  I said specifically 'neurological symptom'.

Alright, let me rephrase. Those movements are not in keeping with any recognized neurological disorder. Psychological disorders, maybe.

After a little more digging it appears that the footage was from an audiology PhD (not an MD) who took some shots as a prerequisite for transition into employment at a government facility as a civilian.  Formerly military.

The event happened in 2019 and eventually the DTaP or some such injection was implicated.  As I've said before, when a doctor or PhD (or their kids) are vaccine injured it will sometimes be acknowledged for economic and societal reasons.  That's been my observation.

Anyway, it is HIGHLY unlikely that the symptoms are being faked.  It seems the type of neurological reaction when the myelin sheath of one's nerves are being stripped due to an autoimmune reaction, and it said to be excruciatingly painful.  And often enough, debilitating for life.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/9XkxVvtuZD1m/

The condition is Transverse Myelitis and actually was noted in some of the covid-19 gene therapy early phase trials.

[Pokapoka124]

We don't know much about the vaccines being fforced on us. The media is controlled by people with certain interest. As much as we like to believe we have a say in this, the truth is we really don't have a choice. Some States are already making it mandatory for everyone...you can't travel or work if you're not vaccinated. That would bully everyone into taking the vaccine.

[Tash]

We don't know much about the vaccines being fforced on us. The media is controlled by people with certain interest. As much as we like to believe we have a say in this, the truth is we really don't have a choice. Some States are already making it mandatory for everyone...you can't travel or work if you're not vaccinated. That would bully everyone into taking the vaccine.

You have no choice to get stabbed? (piercing the skin is stabbing) I shure will not agree.

In other news

Cloth masks that are used to slow the spread of COVID-19 by blocking respiratory droplets offer little protection against wildfire smoke.
They do not catch small, harmful particles in smoke that can harm your health.

https://www.cdc.gov/disasters/covid-19/wildfire_smoke_covid-19.html

[erre]

I am for one salute all the doctors and nurses who face these viruses and diseases on a daily basis. I am glad that you and your colleagues turned out fine and well.

We can't put blame on people who wouldn't want to take the vaccine as they might have the same reasons as mine, avoiding risk by letting others first.

I am not a doctor, nor have studied to medicine-related courses, but I will trust my gut and think that you're not a fake in this forum.

Please, keep the updates for your second dose of the vaccine, as well as the results a week later after the second one. I'll gladly use your information and insights if I will take the vaccine or not in February.

I will update after my second shot (1st february), but really this drug is already experimented and already administered to maybe a milion of people only in Italy, my experience is only a drop in the sea.

Severe reactions exist but are rare, we don't have data for longer term (years) reactions but I feel pretty confident that the mechanism (i described it above) is pretty safe, maybe safer than a traditional vaccine, although less "natural".

The video is frightening, I did never see seizures like that but I suppose they are possible. Acetilsalicilic acid can cause sudden death, and allergic reactions to simple things like nuts kill people every year. You cannot live without taking risks.

Especially for me, a worker in an hospital setting, the risk of the vaccine is IMHO less than the risk of the covid. One of my collegue lost her smell and taste SINCE MARCH after a covid infection, and this alone would be extremely disturbing for me because I love eating. Also, me and my wife are trying to have a son and the effect of the infection during the first months of pregnancy is unclear,  I don't want to act as a vector and infect her. And my parents are almost 80 years old and I saw them like 3 or 4 times in the last year for the fear of killing them.

Value the risk balance and take your choice. Just one more thing, the ethical aspect: you are helping in saving lifes. If we manage to get a sufficient number of people vaccinated, we are out of this. Your choice is going to influence not only your life, but also other's one. The same goes for the mask and everything, flat-earthers does harm to nobody but covid negationists are actually killing people.

[tvbcof]

We don't know much about the vaccines being fforced on us. The media is controlled by people with certain interest. As much as we like to believe we have a say in this, the truth is we really don't have a choice. Some States are already making it mandatory for everyone...you can't travel or work if you're not vaccinated. That would bully everyone into taking the vaccine.

You have no choice to get stabbed? (piercing the scin is stabbing) I shure will not agree.

Here's how it works:

 - You have some percentage of people who are gun-ho on getting the vaccine and will scramble for it.  They are easy, and you can make some money off of them.

 - You have some percentage of people who are iffy, but they can be bullied into getting it in exchange for travel, money, food, etc.

 - You have a tiny minority of people who both will not get the injection and are independantly wealthy enough to work around the various kinds of coercion.  Most of these can be bought off with a back-door (fake or safe injections, forged 'immunity passports', etc.)

 - A tiny minority of that tiny minority will not keep their mouths shut out of care for their fellow man.

The key is that BOTH groups who get the shots are easily manipulated by fear, hate, envy, etc.  "Why should they not take the risk when I have to?"  It will be this contingent (probably 99.5% of the population) who will be the threat to the 'non-quite refuser' class.

Pick your side now.  If you can; most people really won't have much choice about which bin they fall into.

[JohnBitCo]

[o_e_l_e_o]

After a little more digging it appears that the footage was from an audiology PhD (not an MD)

So you posted a video with a different person than you thought...

The event happened in 2019

From a different timescale than you thought...

and eventually the DTaP or some such injection was implicated.

Taking a different medication than you thought...

And took that as evidence that the COVID is vaccine is bad? Lol.

Further, demyelinating diseases and/or transverse myelitis (the two are not synonymous as you imply) cause muscle weakness, poor coordination, muscle spasticity, and paralysis. They do not cause regular and rhythmic contractions as seen in that video.

Pick your side now.

When the sides are:

A) The entire global scientific community
Or
B) Someone on a bitcoin forum who clearly does not understand science or medicine at all and just regurgitates things he doesn't understand from Google

Then everyone with half a brain cell is picking A.

Please, keep the updates for your second dose of the vaccine, as well as the results a week later after the second one. I'll gladly use your information and insights if I will take the vaccine or not in February.

I've had both doses of the Pfizer vaccine and have only experienced some mild arm pain on both occasions. Anecdotally from my colleagues, the second dose seems to have cause a couple more mild side effects than the first (a bit more muscles aches and a couple of low grade fevers), and that seems to be reflected in the evidence from the studies. All in, no serious reactions and everyone here jumping at the chance to take the vaccine. Good to know the people I work with and live around me aren't as crazy as half the people in this thread.

[tvbcof]

...
The video is frightening, I did never see seizures like that but I suppose they are possible. Acetilsalicilic acid can cause sudden death, and allergic reactions to simple things like nuts kill people every year. You cannot live without taking risks.
...

The Transverse Myelitis one?  I take it more as an expression of pain than a 'seizure' per-se.  In an interview I saw with the guy, he described the sensation during the acute phase as having a total body muscle spasm which would not go away.

Unlike with lots of neurological issues with are dysfunctions in part of the brain which is responsible for peripheral nerve signal processing, it sounds like TM really is impacting large portions of the peripheral nervous system in some very real ways as the myelin sheath of the nerves are eaten away.  It is not hard to imagine it causing intense pain.

[tvbcof]

After a little more digging it appears that the footage was from an audiology PhD (not an MD)

So you posted a video with a different person than you thought...

The event happened in 2019

From a different timescale than you thought...

and eventually the DTaP or some such injection was implicated.

Taking a different medication than you thought...

And took that as evidence that the COVID is vaccine is bad? Lol.

...

I didn't 'think' or 'take it as' anything.  I asked around for opinions because the original video was light on info and the symptoms seemed unusual.

I doubt that I am the only one who is seeing a more than a little desperation on your part to 'sell the covid vax.'  Is you 'mixer' service not as profitable as you would like?

[o_e_l_e_o]

-snip-

You are really running out of straws to grasp at, eh?

Feel free to try presenting some peer reviewed evidence. Maybe one that doesn't actually contradict what you are claiming this time.

[Pokapoka124]

We don't know much about the vaccines being fforced on us. The media is controlled by people with certain interest. As much as we like to believe we have a say in this, the truth is we really don't have a choice. Some States are already making it mandatory for everyone...you can't travel or work if you're not vaccinated. That would bully everyone into taking the vaccine.

You have no choice to get stabbed? (piercing the scin is stabbing) I shure will not agree.

Here's how it works:

 - You have some percentage of people who are gun-ho on getting the vaccine and will scramble for it.  They are easy, and you can make some money off of them.

 - You have some percentage of people who are iffy, but they can be bullied into getting it in exchange for travel, money, food, etc.

 - You have a tiny minority of people who both will not get the injection and are independantly wealthy enough to work around the various kinds of coercion.  Most of these can be bought off with a back-door (fake or safe injections, forged 'immunity passports', etc.)

 - A tiny minority of that tiny minority will not keep their mouths shut out of care for their fellow man.

The key is that BOTH groups who get the shots are easily manipulated by fear, hate, envy, etc.  "Why should they not take the risk when I have to?"  It will be this contingent (probably 99.5% of the population) who will be the threat to the 'non-quite refuser' class.

Pick your side now.  If you can; most people really won't have much choice about which bin they fall into.

True but from what you just  said. There's really not much of a choice here either. The only way to escape getting vaccinated is if you're of the wealthy and political class which is just a minority of the population

[tvbcof]

-snip-

You are really running out of straws to grasp at, eh?

Snipping a comment then accusing a person of 'grasping at straws' is kind of funny in a pathetic sort of way.

Mix 'em good there chief.  Sorry if I'm costing you money as your credibility as a 'doctor' fades away.