Rollbit.com 🦁 Fantasy Premier League ⚽ Discussion Thread

[Igebotz]

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In this regard, Trofo and I have decided to redistribute the rewards (but we will return the deposit to these accounts in the amount of 0.002 + 0.002 btc).
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I hate getting involved in cases like this since I am aware of the drama they create but I had no way to run from this one I must admit I would have missed this one if it wasn't for icopress. So thanks man for being diligent.

I insisted that we include some more prominent bitcointalk members in blockchain analysis since I am not proficient in this field and wanted more opinions. After findings from Loyce, DaveF, Charles-Tim & hugeblack there wasn't any doubt in my mind that those addresses were connected.

Multi-accounting is a deplorable tactic in these pools and ruins the game for everyone. It takes away from other players even when caught like in this case. Most of us at the top would probably play a slightly different game and who knows what would be final positions if those players weren't in the pool or if it was just one of them. Maybe the punishment looks severe but I believe it is the only way we can fight against this problem.

Ah! Not the ending we all desired, but multi-accounting takes away the beauty and fun of the game; those were two unpopular names on the forum who remained silent during the season; I had never come across them or seen their posts, but I trusted everyone on board and never anticipated anyone to cheat this way. I assumed they were clubhouse members.

I believe we should make the rules more explicit to avoid situations like these, but every FPL player understands that using multiple accounts is against the rules and is strongly discouraged. Maybe limiting a low rank account would keep this from happening in the next episode.

This could also be happening in other pools over the years who knows?

[Trofo]

I believe we should make the rules more explicit to avoid situations like these, but every FPL player understands that using multiple accounts is against the rules and is strongly discouraged. Maybe limiting a low rank account would keep this from happening in the next episode.

This could also be happening in other pools over the years who knows?

Easier said than done. Remember CM and that cheater that had 3 accounts enrolled? That was the time when it was paying crazy sums and every one of us in the campaign was operating under the watchful eyes of half of the forum. And yet he stayed there for a long time and just collected money.

I was always of the opinion that paid pools are safe from these practices but apparently that isn't true anymore.

[cryptofrka]

Great catch, icopress.
This is extremely frustrating to see and such players should be banned from all future pools.

I'm glad that this time they ended up without a reward.

Multi-accounting is a deplorable tactic in these pools and ruins the game for everyone. It takes away from other players even when caught like in this case. Most of us at the top would probably play a slightly different game and who knows what would be final positions if those players weren't in the pool or if it was just one of them. Maybe the punishment looks severe but I believe it is the only way we can fight against this problem.

Take my case as an example. I finished 9th overall, 29 points behind 7th who now claimed the prize.
I stopped playing in W36 just to try a Hail Mary for the best result in GW37, taking a -36 points hit in the process. It made sense because 5th guy was too far ahead.

I would have probably still ended up without a reward but it's true that it drastically changes the approach in later rounds of the competition.

[Renato297]

what a surprise to win 2 prizes in the end, this last gw I didnt edit my team and I see that the one behind me almost took my position, after these problems its good news for me

[morvillz7z]

This isn't the first nor last time we've had someone try to cheat our pools/predictors, it's unfortunate, but that's just the way it is. We need to be extra cautious with these new accounts.

If anyone has a direct connect to either Rollbit or BetFury, i'd share the findings with them. Both accounts finished in the top ten of their respective fantasy pools. I know books do their internal checks before sending out prizes, but you never know, and this extra info can't hurt.


Anyway, congrats to Trofo for taking down the first place, well-deserved, solid performance from start to finish. I had a nightmare of an FPL season, can't imagine playing any worse than that. Too many injuries, hits, and 50:50 calls went the other way, negative variance and i became best friends.  I'm glad this season is over.

Props to icopress on running the pool smoothly for the second year in a row.

[buwaytress]

Thank you for the fun, Trofo, icopress and the sponsors. Bastards keep on winning, the way things must be! I say this every season, that I'll do better... and you must admit, I am doing slightly better every season. As Trofo remarked, I'm kidding myself if I'm saying I'll not join the next.

Thank you, buwaytress, for always showing an interest in making things around you work despite the fact that you are not very good at it. That is what I consider to be sacrifice and passion for the game. You never disappoint.

Thank you for the recognition. It's so easy to take money from me, really, guys. See how Ige just makes me feel good about it, repeat that and I will cough it up.

CLS63 hope you enjoyed my donation =)

[Igebotz]

Easier said than done. Remember CM and that cheater that had 3 accounts enrolled? That was the time when it was paying crazy sums and every one of us in the campaign was operating under the watchful eyes of half of the forum. And yet he stayed there for a long time and just collected money.

I was always of the opinion that paid pools are safe from these practices but apparently that isn't true anymore.

Never said it's going to prevent cheating totally but the activity points rules would have at least prevented both accounts from signing up. I wouldn't care if anyone decides to enroll Alts into paid score prediction tournament like the EPL pool since it's 100% luck based and no experience is needed unlike FPL.

Thank you for the recognition. It's so easy to take money from me, really, guys. See how Ige just makes me feel good about it, repeat that and I will cough it up.

Just in case you want to cough you know where my help Desk is   I lost about 8mbtc side bet on EPL this season and won only 2mbtc - is it going to stop me from putting up side bet next season? Nah! I'm going to do more. I see same thing in you. Maybe we're bloodline  

[Smartvirus]

Multi-accounting is a deplorable tactic in these pools and ruins the game for everyone. It takes away from other players even when caught like in this case. Most of us at the top would probably play a slightly different game and who knows what would be final positions if those players weren't in the pool or if it was just one of them. Maybe the punishment looks severe but I believe it is the only way we can fight against this problem.

It’s despicable to find this character from someone while playing amongst friends as I like to assume everyone in this group to be. Despite the fact that, it is a competition, we discuss our flaws and tactics for up coming GW as friends and yet, here is someone so eager to cheat on the rest of us.

The punishment isn’t server enough as, I would compare this to what is obtainable in gambling sites, you get stripped of your wins and your funds are confiscated. In this case, the user gets his entry fees back but, have a lesson to learn from this, to better not cheat in pools like this and amongst friends. He could have been better off with one but, have got to lose both and his positions given out.

I thank you guys for the great work that was done in detecting and handling this. it ain’t easy keeping a keen eye and detecting these tricks from tricksters.

I believe we should make the rules more explicit to avoid situations like these, but every FPL player understands that using multiple accounts is against the rules and is strongly discouraged. Maybe limiting a low rank account would keep this from happening in the next episode.

This could also be happening in other pools over the years who knows?

That could help, as the integrity of users would be put to questioning if they default in this manner and I don’t see a lot of users who would like to be put on the scale this way although, this would also take the chance of participation from genuine newbies who are interested in the league and game but what the heck, we don’t have a lot of newbie participations so, it could go.

[nelson4lov]

Good job, @icopress for that discovery. As much as I didn't get to win anything, I'm happy for others that won and would very much be disgusted if someone sybilled the rewards away from the pool. I'm happy they got caught. Like @Igebotz, the rules should be explicit moving forward and if caught, their entry fees should be added to the pool and allocated to the winners. After my first experience, I will be looking forward to playing next season and hopefully make the cut for the winners list 

@Igebotz, just to confirm, every loser in bottlers league is sending 1mbtc donation to our winner, CLS63?

[Igebotz]

That could help, as the integrity of users would be put to questioning if they default in this manner and I don’t see a lot of users who would like to be put on the scale this way although, this would also take the chance of participation from genuine newbies who are interested in the league and game but what the heck, we don’t have a lot of newbie participations so, it could go.

Toss the newbies to the devil if it means having a clean league without multi accounts. How many genuine newbies do we still have on the forum?and how many have you seen participating in buy-in tournaments?

He was literally playing against his second team and losing nothing at the end of the GW.

Foden here, KDB over there

Isak here, Jackson over there

Saka here, Havertz over there.

Man was picking every points possible. I feel bad for him, managing two accounts for full season isn't for the weak.  

@nelson4lov Yes.

[Smartvirus]

Man was picking every points possible. I feel bad for him, managing two accounts for full season isn't for the weak. 

A very difficult management but, am sure his choices might have come easy given that, it's counter replacement and haven't maintained a fairly square point to be at the top,it mustn't have been easy keeping tabs on team news and GW but all that cheating and it amassed to nothing, that's how bad it is.

With that been said,
You really didn't get to win the bottlers league man. I mean, you called me on my shit of having to end up with unused game chip and I still did this season. You did advise on Mateta and for real,you shiftmy attention towards him in this last GW. I thought I would see you making that change on your team. I had to go between Jackson and Mateta, the Chelsea game wasn't giving lots of goals and Jackson didn't seem to storr so, Mateta was an easy pick for availing Aston Villa and toothless Watkins. Just didn't expect the game to be as one sided as it was.

It was a close call on you @Igebotz winning the bottlers league, just a point was all that was needed but,CLS63 beat you to it. Congrats CLS63, running after you in the real league was a touch one and your prized both sides.

[icopress]

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Just to put a point here. I was not sleeping at the moment when you wrote to me on discord.

1. I watched as 2 of your accounts became online at the same time.
2. You wrote to me on discord on behalf of Brahim012, and wrote this post on behalf of Abiiiiii12 (with a difference of 1 minute).

You may think that the screenshot indicates a difference of 1 hour and 1 minute, but please note that Discord uses the default time set on the computer.

[Smartvirus]

Just as I expected and you didn’t disappoint me by a micrometer. Well, you ought to have your defense if you please but, you coming here and calling all the hard work that have been put in by reputable users and say the chains doesn’t apply or doesn’t make any sense is something I find nonsensical.

All you had to say is how you know the guy and you called the guy and that’s it? It doesn’t add up or not enough. You seem like the type that jumps to do things, see how your making lots of typos and causing yourself further damage with compromising evidence. Messaging Icopress on discord from both accounts at the same time…!

Even more so, seems the idea about your Abiiiii12 account was solely created for the purpose of taking part in these pools and some games & rounds activities as all your posts up to this moment suggests. That’s not what to expect of a typical or genuine newbie. There isn’t a place prior to these post that you ever did anything different or what a newbie would do from your post history. It’s just been pools and games & rounds.

So I ask you here and now;
Did you discover Bitcointalk due to the games and round activities and the fantasy pool?
Like, what has been your actual purpose on the forum with the Abiiiii12 account?

I think you should be grateful to have gotten your entry fee back and don’t draw further attention to yourself by calling these great guys scammers or accusing them to her scammed you of a cent. Your in the wrong and the best means to help yourself right now is accept your faults, learn from your mistakes and move on. You of course knew how to play the FPL but, you approached it with cheating and that makes you terrible.

I’ve had to come to terms with not blaming the casinos and sportsbook for having a system that flags certain users and accounts to be using the multi accounts in trying to exploit the various offers they’ve got on there site. 90% of the time, it turns out to be true. Then we would have yet another thread on reputation calling out them casinos or sportsbook to have scammed them. Mostly, from these fresh newbie accounts.

If this would mean we place a rule on banning newbie participations, am in support.

[icopress]

it's my friend account [...]

It seems like I’ve heard similar words a hundred times already.

[Mr.right85]

it's my friend account [...]

It seems like I’ve heard similar words a hundred times already.

I read this and I looked at your Avatar and it just seems to apply to the look you could be having while seeing that from Abiiiii12 even as he continues to prove himself without any prove at all, lol…

Anyway @Abiiiii12, I don’t see how anyone would be giving this a second thought if you don’t have any prove. You asking how to defend yourself is you asking the rest of the users here to play your advocate and give you the means to defend yourself.

The means by which you were linked is by your address. Having these and that interactions other than just coming with what your doing now, you just have to logically prove how these interactions come to be and how it ain’t one person.

[Igebotz]

I thought there's no problem when 2 person from the same city participate in the FPL league since they've paid the fees .

This has destroyed many legitimate accounts on the Nigeria Local board over the years, and it's one of the most difficult scenarios to prove; I'd like to believe it's a common practice among third-world countries, a common mistake of transacting in BTC, sharing bills in crypto (I'm guilty of this), and sending BTC to a friend to get Fiat. I'm not saying I trust Abiiii12's statement, but I witnessed it happen to two big accounts on the Nigeria board last year; their only offence was trading with their naïve newbie pals who were banned/tagged for silly mistakes. No one believed in their story, they got connected to the banned/tagged account and got same punishment.


After that incident I stopped taking BTC and mailing out Fiat on the Local board. I will not speak on this case again unless it's very necessary. Peace out brothers.

[Abiiiii12]

I don't know why he didn't even give me a chance to defend my self .
I know that I didn't break any rules.
Like what they did have eliminated me without getting to me 1st

[Harkorede]

I thought there's no problem when 2 person from the same city participate in the FPL league since they've paid the fees .

This has destroyed many legitimate accounts on the Nigeria Local board over the years, and it's one of the most difficult scenarios to prove; I'd like to believe it's a common practice among third-world countries, a common mistake of transacting in BTC, sharing bills in crypto (I'm guilty of this), and sending BTC to a friend to get Fiat. I'm not saying I trust Abiiii12's statement, but I witnessed it happen to two big accounts on the Nigeria board last year; their only offence was trading with their naïve newbie pals who were banned/tagged for silly mistakes. No one believed in their story, they got connected to the banned/tagged account and got same punishment.


After that incident I stopped taking BTC and mailing out Fiat on the Local board. I will not speak on this case again unless it's very necessary. Peace out brothers.

There is a very fine line here of whether Abii is saying the true, who knows... but there have been hundreds of cases here that will users claiming they know the other personally, some things are rather just avoidable, I remember want to invite a couple of friends which I met doing my Service year in the northern part of the country as we have a Whatsapp group and FPL pool too, and I remember asking on here if I could invite them, however that might have warranted me paying their fees and getting fiat from them, upon a couple of opinions shared here made me rethink that there was no need for such complicated scenarios.

The fact that both account finished really close to each likely showed that those accounts are managed by the same individual, it's not just a coincidence, in my candid opinion.

However, as Ige have pointed it's really easy to be caught in this web of clusterfuck if you a trade btc and engage in exchange of btc to fiat from 3rd world country, due to how p2p works here.

Yes I didn't know much about btctalk I'm here because of FPL and I've opened my btctalk just to enter fol and then afacon pools and I heard all of this challenges in trofo chat , he can cheek that I've paid the afacon pools fees .

What chat are you talking about ? We've had a couple of BSFL players come from the Sportsbet and none of them have been considered to be multi because they have been proved to be completely different persons. ..

[NotATether]

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I'll send 1mBTC over there ASAP. Most likely within the next 24 hours.

I guess I'll be playing around with draft squads until the scores reset for next season.

For sure I will have

Pickford

Saliba - Gvardiol

Saka - Foden - Palmer

Haaland - Mateta

somewhere in the 15-man squad

[Trofo]

You can't call it a fair play when you make judgement about people without any prove or false prove .
I don't ask for much, I'm only need you to take serious act and givee a chance to defend my rights .
Trofo and icopress

You demand rights and have the audacity to tag me in the same post? Fuck, i have 10 different usernames for you on Sportsbet. Didn't post yet since that isn't really connected with forum but you keep dragging me here so I will post when I get home. Really shows integrity and helps your case.