[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[xxxgoodgirls]

https://shouldhaveusedmonero.xyz/

Is the site not being actively run anymore? I really liked the concept.

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[explorer]

From what I can gather here this Monerov fork is considered a bad thing? But why is that actually case? Are they going to harm the XMR by forking it?

If you can't scroll up several posts, I'm not sure this will help you, but:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg30446883#msg30446883

[Hueristic]

https://shouldhaveusedmonero.xyz/

Is the site not being actively run anymore? I really liked the concept.

That site kicks ass.

[Frizz23]

it's pretty good to se XMR so stable, even at a bear market like this.

[elrippos friend]

it's pretty good to se XMR so stable, even at a bear market like this.

bear market? Are you sure it was only coffee you got 

[explorer]

it's pretty good to se XMR so stable, even at a bear market like this.

Looks like somebody is interested in maintaining a $300 floor, at any rate.

[explorer]

it's pretty good to se XMR so stable, even at a bear market like this.

bear market? Are you sure it was only coffee you got 

It's a bear market until 0.06!  I followed your advice and lost my life's savings 

[elrippos friend]

it's pretty good to se XMR so stable, even at a bear market like this.

bear market? Are you sure it was only coffee you got 

It's a bear market until 0.06!  I followed your advice and lost my life's savings 

Yeeeaaahhhhh, well never trust a nooby 

[alyssa85]

Some info on the Monero hard fork:

https://getmonero.org/2018/02/11/PoW-change-and-key-reuse.html

we strongly believe that it's beneficial to preserve our ASIC resistance. Therefore, we will perform an emergency hard fork to curb any potential threat from ASICs if needed. Furthermore, in order to maintain its goal of decentralization and to provide a deterrent for ASIC development and to protect against unknown or undetectable ASIC development, the Monero team proposes modifying the Cryptonight PoW hash every scheduled fork, twice a year. The modifications will be light, and should not change performance profiles much. The first change is now being tested, and will happen in the coming March fork. Finally, we will continue to research alternative Proof of Work functions that may provide better ASIC resistance than Cryptonight.

Patches will be available for the following software: zone117x's pool, Snipa's pool, Lucas Jones' CPU miner, wolf0's CPU miner, ccminer-cryptonight, sgminer-gm, xmr-stak, xmrig-nvidia, wolf-xmr-miner.

[ctya]

Some info on the Monero hard fork:

https://getmonero.org/2018/02/11/PoW-change-and-key-reuse.html

we strongly believe that it's beneficial to preserve our ASIC resistance. Therefore, we will perform an emergency hard fork to curb any potential threat from ASICs if needed. Furthermore, in order to maintain its goal of decentralization and to provide a deterrent for ASIC development and to protect against unknown or undetectable ASIC development, the Monero team proposes modifying the Cryptonight PoW hash every scheduled fork, twice a year. The modifications will be light, and should not change performance profiles much. The first change is now being tested, and will happen in the coming March fork. Finally, we will continue to research alternative Proof of Work functions that may provide better ASIC resistance than Cryptonight.

Patches will be available for the following software: zone117x's pool, Snipa's pool, Lucas Jones' CPU miner, wolf0's CPU miner, ccminer-cryptonight, sgminer-gm, xmr-stak, xmrig-nvidia, wolf-xmr-miner.

I must have missed it but do we know which block will activate the fork

[dEBRUYNE]

Some info on the Monero hard fork:

https://getmonero.org/2018/02/11/PoW-change-and-key-reuse.html

we strongly believe that it's beneficial to preserve our ASIC resistance. Therefore, we will perform an emergency hard fork to curb any potential threat from ASICs if needed. Furthermore, in order to maintain its goal of decentralization and to provide a deterrent for ASIC development and to protect against unknown or undetectable ASIC development, the Monero team proposes modifying the Cryptonight PoW hash every scheduled fork, twice a year. The modifications will be light, and should not change performance profiles much. The first change is now being tested, and will happen in the coming March fork. Finally, we will continue to research alternative Proof of Work functions that may provide better ASIC resistance than Cryptonight.

Patches will be available for the following software: zone117x's pool, Snipa's pool, Lucas Jones' CPU miner, wolf0's CPU miner, ccminer-cryptonight, sgminer-gm, xmr-stak, xmrig-nvidia, wolf-xmr-miner.

I must have missed it but do we know which block will activate the fork

There's currently no block height set yet. It'll probably be set soon though.

[explorer]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/7ydncd/question_about_monero_deanonymization_via_forks/

Good point, being that to be a real threat, people would actually have to use the fork (for more than a one time --> exchange - dump).  I'm still not touching this shit unless  there is an approved zero-privacy-errosion method put forward, but it  does take the theoretical and temper it with reality a little.

[birr]

I'm running 0.11.1.0 Helium Hydra 64 bit linux on a notebook and Armv7 on a phone.
My daemon says

Code:

2018-02-18 19:27:48.946	[P2P1]	WARN 	global	src/cryptonote_core/cryptonote_core.cpp:1283	Last scheduled hard fork time shows a daemon update is needed now.

The update is not available yet at getmonero.org
It still says
Current Version: 0.11.1.0 Helium Hydra

[explorer]

I'm running 0.11.1.0 Helium Hydra 64 bit linux on a notebook and Armv7 on a phone.
My daemon says

Code:

2018-02-18 19:27:48.946	[P2P1]	WARN 	global	src/cryptonote_core/cryptonote_core.cpp:1283	Last scheduled hard fork time shows a daemon update is needed now.

The update is not available yet at getmonero.org
It still says
Current Version: 0.11.1.0 Helium Hydra

Typical warning pre-fork.  It's not announced/available yet.  Better than too late

See dEBRUYNE's post just above...

[Hueristic]

Should be interesting to watch the hashrate after the fork.

[explorer]

Should be interesting to watch the hashrate after the fork.

Yep.  Going to fire  up everything I can for a short stint just before showtime   ISP usually chokes me out within a couple hours when I start using bandwidth, but you never know 

[babybonoba]

I'm a little behind the times, are we going to see zk-STARKS in Monero?

[Anon136]

I'm a little behind the times, are we going to see zk-STARKS in Monero?

While Monero’s lead developer, Riccardo Spagni, has criticized Zcash in the past, calling it a “complete security farce,” this new system of implementing zero knowledge proofs may avoid some of the serious issues that Zcash’s current zk-SNARKs system has. Spagni told CoinDesk that Monero will integrate zk-STARKs “if and when it’s usable.

https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/10/11/monero-considers-implementing-zk-starks/

I don't think our community is wedded to any particular technology. We have a vision of providing private fungible value storage and transfer at the best scale that technology currently allows for while using only safe and well vetted techniques. We also have very healthy governance and a well balanced and rational community who all have a similar vision, so forks tend to be a breeze. If it turns out that sk-starks is the bees knees it will almost certainly be implemented here.

[explorer]

I'm a little behind the times, are we going to see zk-STARKS in Monero?

While Monero’s lead developer, Riccardo Spagni, has criticized Zcash in the past, calling it a “complete security farce,” this new system of implementing zero knowledge proofs may avoid some of the serious issues that Zcash’s current zk-SNARKs system has. Spagni told CoinDesk that Monero will integrate zk-STARKs “if and when it’s usable.

https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/10/11/monero-considers-implementing-zk-starks/

I don't think our community is wedded to any particular technology. We have a vision of providing private fungible value storage and transfer at the best scale that technology currently allows for while using only safe and well vetted techniques. We also have very healthy governance and a well balanced and rational community who all have a similar vision, so forks tend to be a breeze. If it turns out that sk-starks is the bees knees it will almost certainly be implemented here.

It is not usable, and doesn't look to become usable in the foreseeable future.  IIRC transactions would take like 20 minutes or something to compute.  I don't remember the details, just that it isn't currently viable.

[Anon136]

I'm a little behind the times, are we going to see zk-STARKS in Monero?

While Monero’s lead developer, Riccardo Spagni, has criticized Zcash in the past, calling it a “complete security farce,” this new system of implementing zero knowledge proofs may avoid some of the serious issues that Zcash’s current zk-SNARKs system has. Spagni told CoinDesk that Monero will integrate zk-STARKs “if and when it’s usable.

https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/10/11/monero-considers-implementing-zk-starks/

I don't think our community is wedded to any particular technology. We have a vision of providing private fungible value storage and transfer at the best scale that technology currently allows for while using only safe and well vetted techniques. We also have very healthy governance and a well balanced and rational community who all have a similar vision, so forks tend to be a breeze. If it turns out that sk-starks is the bees knees it will almost certainly be implemented here.

It is not usable, and doesn't look to become usable in the foreseeable future.  IIRC transactions would take like 20 minutes or something to compute.  I don't remember the details, just that it isn't currently viable.

20 minute compute time does sound beyond reasonable for most applications. Hopefully they can get it down lower. But really if they do manage to get a trustless demonstrably private zero knowledge anti double spend proof system off the ground that would be groundbreaking, 20 minutes to compute time or otherwise. Computers will get faster, it could probably be optimized, and even if it couldn't and even if moors law abruptly ran out there are definitely real world applications right now for private transactions that take 20 minutes to compute.