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August 22, 2014, 10:33:52 PM
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August 22, 2014, 11:21:23 PM
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I've got some questions:

To use this Card, do you have to go through a verification process?
Is it accepted worldwide?
What about the fees they charge?

Thx for answering and regards,
Michael



It's basically a Debit card that's acceptted anywhere they take VISA

www.coinsis.com      for info or vericoin.info

vericoinnews.com is always a good choice to find out the latest

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August 22, 2014, 11:51:39 PM
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Hi guys,

I am just taking a short break from my break to show that I am still supporting Vericoin.

Soo, a few comments from me:

@effects: great job, Vericoin is positively back in the news and continues on its path towards the main goals
                (ease of use, mainstream adoption).

@buy4crypto: I can feel your struggle  Smiley ... I think you are (rightfully to a certain extent) too negative on the
                       development. I also think you became negative because of the recent price drop (which is maybe
                       still not over yet) and not so much because of the developers´ action/inaction.
                      
                       So please don´t follow the dark side and come back ... maybe not now, but in a few weeks.

@altcoinUK: Well bro, I have a feeling, that you are already lost to the dark side of BobPlop and gang. Your point of
                  view regarding importance of blockchain2 is simply wrong. Vericoin does not need
                  blockchain2 on itself. It can use existing platforms like ripple, stellar and what else is going to get
                  realized on this field. I feel like you are just annoyed, that your point does not get the dev´s and
                  community´s attention you had hoped for.
                
Vericoin is a virtual currency first and it is the goal to promote it as such. For example: Ripple is promoted as a transfer platform and not as a currency, the same with Ethereum. Stellar is just a Mcaleb Ripple clone with (allegedly) better distribution of the platform´s internal currency. If someone wants to invest in blockchain2, simply do it. But blockchain2 integration into vericoin is simply a waste of resources.

We should focus on the wallet right now. Security for minting, something like Peerbox would be great and will help to strengthen the network. If you need to clone it, do it and give credits to Peercoin´s Peerchemist.


Uh, ah ... a last word from me on the new developer:

1. I hope it is not one of the blackcoin guys.  Cheesy
2. If the goal is to bring Vericoin to a higher price level, by hiring a new dev, I am against it. If the goal is to
    actually improve the wallet and to ease the workload of the three devs I would say yes. So because we know
    how drkman announced the man, I am against it.  Cheesy

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Buy4crypto is making a valid argument here. There's a distinct lack of clarity surrounding the card. However I'm not 100% sure Doug knows himself fully what's going on with it due to the company supplying these probably hasn't finalised it themselves. Fees, verification?, will it work outside of USD, if so what's the conversion rate. Is it chip and pin like we have here in the UK or is a swipe one like you have in the US. Lots of questions.

However it's not a pressing issue because I can't see the demand for these been all that high. 

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August 23, 2014, 12:23:59 AM
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I've got some questions:

To use this Card, do you have to go through a verification process?
Is it accepted worldwide?
What about the fees they charge?

Thx for answering and regards,
Michael



It's basically a Debit card that's acceptted anywhere they take VISA

www.coinsis.com      for info or vericoin.info

vericoinnews.com is always a good choice to find out the latest

I haven't found any information about verification nor the fees they charge.
I mean, it's another company that wants to make money beside Visa.
In Europe we have the MAESTRO Card you can pay with nearly everywhere and it has very low fees. I also have a Master Card but it's more expencive. So what do we need another Credit Card for? Maybe I'm wrong, time will show up.

Thx to the devs for the work they put in this project.

I don't want to be just negative: the technic is working very well. Transactions are fast and stakeing and multipool gives me some nice profit. I hope the price will rise soon.

Regards,
Michael


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August 23, 2014, 01:05:36 AM
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I've got some questions:

To use this Card, do you have to go through a verification process?
Is it accepted worldwide?
What about the fees they charge?

Thx for answering and regards,
Michael



It's basically a Debit card that's acceptted anywhere they take VISA

www.coinsis.com      for info or vericoin.info

vericoinnews.com is always a good choice to find out the latest

I haven't found any information about verification nor the fees they charge.
I mean, it's another company that wants to make money beside Visa.
In Europe we have the MAESTRO Card you can pay with nearly everywhere and it has very low fees. I also have a Master Card but it's more expencive. So what do we need another Credit Card for? Maybe I'm wrong, time will show up.

Thx to the devs for the work they put in this project.

I don't want to be just negative: the technic is working very well. Transactions are fast and stakeing and multipool gives me some nice profit. I hope the price will rise soon.

Regards,
Michael



sorry Michael I meant to address the fee question before

coinsis has not published a fee structure.

there is no "verification" (I'm aware of) for opening an account that would include a VeriCard

transactions are stored on the Block chain, so they are secure.

coinsis says it can used anywhere VISA is accepted. That would mean if a resturant in Tahiti takes VISA you should be able to use a VERICARD. IMO?Huh

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August 23, 2014, 01:23:25 AM
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Ok everyone I have all of the coins assembled and have begun working on the Certificates of Authenticity. I should have the coins done and sent out within the next week or so barring any major disasters.

If you still have an outstanding balance Please send payment to 1EmgrPDnFPXkiQLpb64qhJjvN6qnJ2eNi8 and PM me your TX ID, full name, and shipping address. If you want extra shipping features (tracking, insurance, next day air, etc) OR if you are OUTSIDE of the United States extra shipping rates apply. We can discuss how much extra based upon what exactly you want for shipping so PM me if you are International or want something other than standard shipping.

If you have already paid in full please send me your previous TX ID, Full name, Shipping Address and extra payment if you require shipping other than standard domestic.

THANK YOU ALL FOR PURCHASING AND I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR COINS AS MUCH AS I DO.

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August 23, 2014, 01:34:27 AM
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I see it as Coinisis is better than Prypto because it's accepted everywhere.

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August 23, 2014, 02:06:52 AM
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We urgently need a moderated forum!!! Please prioritize changing the wallet link to another place. Its amazing the level of articulated stupidity some of the fudders of ours achieve recurrently. Pages and pages of stupid considerations and go-nowhere arguments.

So we have a VISA debit card available for VRC. Is it bad? Is it mandatory? Of course not, for both questions. You can have one if you wish. Positive! If you don't feel like you want it, just ignore and move forward. Adding such POSSIBILITIES will allow every user to tailor his experience. Positive again!

Oh, but the company providing the card is new. THAT'S SIMPLY GREAT!!! This is called innovation and we're all here to support business models and technologies which have never been implemented before. Positive yet once again!!!

Will it work? Are there risks? You gotta be kidding us, stupid idiots! Of course there are risks and YES, the community  supports risky decisions BECAUSE we're here to INNOVATE.

Finally, its always expensive to connect new technology to legacy. Everyone knows that. But for the transition from the old to the new, integrating legacy is a MUST. Therefore, a VISA debit card is great news with great importance in the next few months/years, but irrelevant in the long run. By definition, a good tactical move with few strategical implications. Fair enough, good enough. Good work DEVs. Thanks!
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August 23, 2014, 02:25:07 AM
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We urgently need a moderated forum!!! Please prioritize changing the wallet link to another place. Its amazing the level of articulated stupidity some of the fudders of ours achieve recurrently. Pages and pages of stupid considerations and go-nowhere arguments.

So we have a VISA debit card available for VRC. Is it bad? Is it mandatory? Of course not, for both questions. You can have one if you wish. Positive! If you don't feel like you want it, just ignore and move forward. Adding such POSSIBILITIES will allow every user to tailor his experience. Positive again!

Oh, but the company providing the card is new. THAT'S SIMPLY GREAT!!! This is called innovation and we're all here to support business models and technologies which have never been implemented before. Positive yet once again!!!

Will it work? Are there risks? You gotta be kidding us, stupid idiots! Of course there are risks and YES, the community  supports risky decisions BECAUSE we're here to INNOVATE.

Finally, its always expensive to connect new technology to legacy. Everyone knows that. But for the transition from the old to the new, integrating legacy is a MUST. Therefore, a VISA debit card is great news with great importance in the next few months/years, but irrelevant in the long run. By definition, a good tactical move with few strategical implications. Fair enough, good enough. Good work DEVs. Thanks!

Right on! I remember the Blackcoin community was in turmoil till the thread shut down. They are doing the same thing with coinsis and they are no where near as negative. Ultracoin started out promising till one of the devs gave into the FUDDERS amd he started rants. They had a great coin but innovation stopped after the coin was made.

I checked out the veritalk forums but not much volume. I think if this thread is shut down then it will force people to veritalk or reddit. Plus you have to go page by page and so much reading to catch up.. veritalk is easier cause if you don't like the subject you look for the next one.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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August 23, 2014, 03:12:29 AM
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We urgently need a moderated forum!!! Please prioritize changing the wallet link to another place. Its amazing the level of articulated stupidity some of the fudders of ours achieve recurrently. Pages and pages of stupid considerations and go-nowhere arguments.

I have been saying this for a while.  Makes no sense to have a button in the official client wallet that says "Forum" and link to a single thread about Vericoin hosted on a Bitcoin forum.    Let's get http://veritalk.info some extra traffic (though I prefer reddit myself, it makes sense to go to Veritalk)

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i agree 100%
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i agree 100%

Been saying this for awhile!

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Ok everyone I have all of the coins assembled and have begun working on the Certificates of Authenticity. I should have the coins done and sent out within the next week or so barring any major disasters.

If you still have an outstanding balance Please send payment to 1EmgrPDnFPXkiQLpb64qhJjvN6qnJ2eNi8 and PM me your TX ID, full name, and shipping address. If you want extra shipping features (tracking, insurance, next day air, etc) OR if you are OUTSIDE of the United States extra shipping rates apply. We can discuss how much extra based upon what exactly you want for shipping so PM me if you are International or want something other than standard shipping.

If you have already paid in full please send me your previous TX ID, Full name, Shipping Address and extra payment if you require shipping other than standard domestic.

THANK YOU ALL FOR PURCHASING AND I HOPE YOU ENJOY YOUR COINS AS MUCH AS I DO.

-Will

Can you update the startjoin page as well with info for those that bought them through there please?  Thanks!

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You all want a forum when there is one.

www.veritalk.info is where you have to go to clear your mind off this thread. Still a fun thread though...

I started VeriTalk by myself and currently have little time for it. If any of you would like to take over and make it an active community thing I'll be glad.

But then again, this thread is an epic comedy. Always worth to keep an eye on... Smiley

Hey klein, I'd be interested. Can you migrate it to me?

PS: It looks nice, btw.

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You all want a forum when there is one.

www.veritalk.info is where you have to go to clear your mind off this thread. Still a fun thread though...

I started VeriTalk by myself and currently have little time for it. If any of you would like to take over and make it an active community thing I'll be glad.

But then again, this thread is an epic comedy. Always worth to keep an eye on... Smiley
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      .╫██████Ń.                      `╨▀▀████████▀▀╨`      ╔╫▓█▀
     ╔▓████████▓H                         `""╙╙╙"`        ,╬▓██M`
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  ╟▓███▌╨     ╨╣████▓╗,                            ,╔╣▓██▓M"
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             ```````````                `╙╬▀███████████████████▀M
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August 23, 2014, 07:45:28 AM
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This request for a "moderated forum" is as absurd as the demential cheerleading ... and, peculiarly enough, by the same usual suspects... They have had Veritalk for a long time, fully available. They have reddit. They have the orgiastically cheerleading (and fully censored) IRC channel but, hey, they still want yet another thread. In actuality what they want is a censored place, one more, where no voices of dissension are ever heard. I'd say go for it: It is very, veri easy: Just create the damned thread, moderate is as much as you want and get done with it. I mean you are quite pathetic already but if you want to be even more... Get it through your thick and idiotic skull: No one, but a half dozen altogether, will ever go to those stupid places, ok? You want you coin dead? Just close this thread... or, to be more precise, follow in the footsteps -as in so many thin gs- the Blackcoin example: They have "flourished" indeed, since they opted to close the non moderated thread. But hey, you are dying to commit harakiri anyway so be my guests...

THE VERICARD POOF...

As I had anticipated since the get go, the "secret weapon" (still nothing about the plural announced by Stooge #1), has turned to be a "poof", a queer fart of no relevance whatsoever.

OK, it is following in the tracks of Blackcoin, again and, like BC, condemned to be a huge failure.

Some here have pointed out that it is a step towards mass adoption... No it isn't. Mass adoption, as clearly pointed out in my raw flyer for WVD, passes by presenting any and ALL forms of credit cards, as the bad guys along with the banks. Jane and Joe Sixpacks would be piqued by Vericoin PRECISELY, because it is the OPPOSITE, direct OPPOSITE of banks and credit cards, not an enabler.

I dont give a flying fuck if someone has sold the Stooges on the idea that it will "make it easier" for average people to use crypto currency. Average people will never use crypto currency because it is easy to use -which is not to say it has to be complicated, mind you-, they will use it, paraphrasing Anthony Quinn in Lawrence of Arabia, "because it is their pleasure" and will to do so. Because they want to circumvent the banks and their credit cards, NEVER, EVER, because they want to make them fatter... as well as Coinsis or whatever the name of that intermediary is. The WHOLE purpose, the whole selling point is to eliminate, precisely, those parasites, the intermediaries. Jane and Joe Sixpacks understand VERY CLEARLY, that if they don't use intermediaries they don't have to pay for their offices and the multi millions in salaries their executives get. Both Jane and Joe get that immediately. From their wallet straight to the merchant or the friend or family member they want to gift across the planet. THAT is EASY. This is BULL SHIT. Again. No one will ever use it, no one. Just like no one uses Coinkite or will ever use Moolah. The whole PURPOSE of crypto is absurdly diluted here. The whole thing couldn't be simpler: From my wallet to whoever I want, merchant or partner, direct, immediate and without any (or almost) cost. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. Joe and Jane will GET IT, no question about it. Just like they smell bull shit in ratios of miles, like this "deal" is.

Now, UK doesn't "get it" either when we talk about "mass adoption". He's quite right when he states that mass adoption is a pipe dream. It is. It will continue being, even for BTC, as long as the volatility is so brutal. Makes perfect sense: Businesses, of practically ANY size, but obviously the smaller the less, cannot afford such volatility. So ANY adoption will necessarily pass through the cryptocurrency of choice being converted to fiat IMMEDIATELY. That's not adoption! That's another form of using intermediaries (and paying for them) regardless how you want to call them. So the barrier is not just BTC, the barrier is the PRICE of the coin. And as long as that price is not reasonable stable, no merchant will ever operate in crypto. They may accept it as payment, just like they accept VISA or Amex, but charging for it what those companies charge them (3-3.5% or more). In crypto they will charge whatever they are charged for the immediate conversion to fiat. What are they  after -Coinsis and the merchants that accept crypto, along with the dozens of other intermediaries? they just want to tap, as paying customers, the community of dickheads in crypto, those idiots bent on using their coins to buy stuff believing they are opposing the system when, in reality, they are making it fatter, paying even bigger fees to a new horde of centralized intermediaries who, like the established ones, just want to suck them dry.

Mass adoption, passes through, first, MASS AWARENESS. And then, price stabilization. That is coming very soon when people will be able to short BTC (and others, eventually) through derivatives, just like in the rest of the markets. It is coming VERY SOON. Along with regulation. Those coins positioning themselves as the good guys, will survive. Those playing for the bad guys, probably too, I don't know but if their tech continue advancing like until now, they stand a chance to be ahead of the feds. But the good guys will eventually cross over when their gains -and losses- will be no more than 5-10% at a time (cycle), not before.

And guess what? Those surviving -and thriving-, will be the ones that GET IT, not the ones that cater to the credit card lobby.

So the Vericard, pretty much like the rest of the "features" is an exercise in nothingness. Nothing bad but certainly nothing that's any good. Vericoin was much better without it... except that it was, and remains, a helmless ship, totally at the mercy of capricious winds and without path or purpose.  

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August 23, 2014, 07:53:08 AM
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Hi barabbas. Not the same without you.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  ]▓███▌╨             "╨╝▀▀"            ».                .╔╗▓▓███▀"
 :╫███▌░                         .,╔╗▓▓▓▓▓            .,╦▓▓█████▌"
 ]▓███H                     .╔╥▄▓▓████▀╩╨`          ╔╬▓███████▓M`
 ]╣███Ń                  ╔╗▄▓▓███▀▀╨"              `╨▀███████▀"
 `╣███▓H             ,╔╬▓████▓▀╨"`    ,╔╗╬▓▓▓▓N      ``╙╣▓█▌"
  ╫████▌          .╔╬▓█████▀╨`      ╔╬▓██████▓Ń
  ╙╣███▓╦       ╔╗▓████▓▀╨`        ╦▓████▓▀╝╨"`
   "╣███▓N   .╦▓█████▀╨`           ╫███▓M`           ╔╦µ,
    ╨╣███▓╗µ╗▓█████▀╨              ╫███▓N.         ╔╗▓█▓Ń
     ╚╣█████████▓M"                ╨╣████▓▓▄╦╗╗╗▄▄▓████▌░
      `╫██████▓M`                   ╙╣▓███████████████▀`     .╔╬╦
      .╫██████Ń.                      `╨▀▀████████▀▀╨`      ╔╫▓█▀
     ╔▓████████▓H                         `""╙╙╙"`        ,╬▓██M`
    ╬▓███▓▀▀▓███▓▄,                                     ,╗▓██▌"
  .╦▓███▓M  ╙╣████▓╦,                                 ╔╗▓██▓M`
  ╟▓███▌╨     ╨╣████▓╗,                            ,╔╣▓██▓M"
 :╫████Ń       `╙╣████▓N,                       ,╔╬▓████Ń`   j╗µ
.╫▓███▌░         `╨▀████▓▄╦                  .╔╗▓████▓M`     ╫▓▓Ń
j▓████Ń`           `╨╣█████▓╦             ,╦╣▓█████▀╨`       `╟█▓╦
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 "╣████╫                `╨▀█████▓▄╦╗▄▓▓██████▀M"              :╫██▌
  ╚▓████▓N,                ╙╫████████████▓▀╨"                 :╫▓█▌»
   `╣██████▓▓▄▄╥╥╓╓╓╥╥▄▄▄▓▓▓████████████▄╥,                   :╫██▌`
     "╝▀███████████████████████▓▀▀▀▀██████▓▄╗╦µ              .╬▓██
       `"╙╨▀▀▓▓███████▓▓▀▀▀╨╙""`   `"╙▀▓███████▓▓▄╗╦µ,...,,╔╬▓███▀
             ```````````                `╙╬▀███████████████████▀M
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August 23, 2014, 07:55:08 AM
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This request for a "moderated forum" is as absurd as the demential cheerleading ... and, peculiarly enough, by the same usual suspects... They have had Veritalk for a long time, fully available. They have reddit. They have the orgiastically cheerleading (and fully censored) IRC channel but, hey, they still want yet another thread. In actuality what they want is a censored place, one more, where no voices of dissension are ever heard. I'd say go for it: It is very, veri easy: Just create the damned thread, moderate is as much as you want and get done with it. I mean you are quite pathetic already but if you want to be even more... Get it through your thick and idiotic skull: No one, but a half dozen altogether, will ever go to those stupid places, ok? You want you coin dead? Just close this thread... or, to be more precise, follow in the footsteps -as in so many thin gs- the Blackcoin example: They have "flourished" indeed, since they opted to close the non moderated thread. But hey, you are dying to commit harakiri anyway so be my guests...

THE VERICARD POOF...

As I had anticipated since the get go, the "secret weapon" (still nothing about the plural announced by Stooge #1), has turned to be a "poof", a queer fart of no relevance whatsoever.

OK, it is following in the tracks of Blackcoin, again and, like BC, condemned to be a huge failure.

Some here have pointed out that it is a step towards mass adoption... No it isn't. Mass adoption, as clearly pointed out in my raw flyer for WVD, passes by presenting any and ALL forms of credit cards, as the bad guys along with the banks. Jane and Joe Sixpacks would be piqued by Vericoin PRECISELY, because it is the OPPOSITE, direct OPPOSITE of banks and credit cards, not an enabler.

I dont give a flying fuck if someone has sold the Stooges on the idea that it will "make it easier" for average people to use crypto currency. Average people will never use crypto currency because it is easy to use -which is not to say it has to be complicated, mind you-, they will use it, paraphrasing Anthony Quinn in Lawrence of Arabia, "because it is their pleasure" and will to do so. Because they want to circumvent the banks and their credit cards, NEVER, EVER, because they want to make them fatter... as well as Coinsis or whatever the name of that intermediary is. The WHOLE purpose, the whole selling point is to eliminate, precisely, those parasites, the intermediaries. Jane and Joe Sixpacks understand VERY CLEARLY, that if they don't use intermediaries they don't have to pay for their offices and the multi millions in salaries their executives get. Both Jane and Joe get that immediately. From their wallet straight to the merchant or the friend or family member they want to gift across the planet. THAT is EASY. This is BULL SHIT. Again. No one will ever use it, no one. Just like no one uses Coinkite or will ever use Moolah. The whole PURPOSE of crypto is absurdly diluted here. The whole thing couldn't be simpler: From my wallet to whoever I want, merchant or partner, direct, immediate and without any (or almost) cost. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. Joe and Jane will GET IT, no question about it. Just like they smell bull shit in ratios of miles, like this "deal" is.

Now, UK doesn't "get it" either when we talk about "mass adoption". He's quite right when he states that mass adoption is a pipe dream. It is. It will continue being, even for BTC, as long as the volatility is so brutal. Makes perfect sense: Businesses, of practically ANY size, but obviously the smaller the less, cannot afford such volatility. So ANY adoption will necessarily pass through the cryptocurrency of choice being converted to fiat IMMEDIATELY. That's not adoption! That's another form of using intermediaries (and paying for them) regardless how you want to call them. So the barrier is not just BTC, the barrier is the PRICE of the coin. And as long as that price is not reasonable stable, no merchant will ever operate in crypto. They may accept it as payment, just like they accept VISA or Amex, but charging for it what those companies charge them (3-3.5% or more). In crypto they will charge whatever they are charged for the immediate conversion to fiat. What are they  after -Coinsis and the merchants that accept crypto, along with the dozens of other intermediaries? they just want to tap, as paying customers, the community of dickheads in crypto, those idiots bent on using their coins to buy stuff believing they are opposing the system when, in reality, they are making it fatter, paying even bigger fees to a new horde of centralized intermediaries who, like the established ones, just want to suck them dry.

Mass adoption, passes through, first, MASS AWARENESS. And then, price stabilization. That is coming very soon when people will be able to short BTC (and others, eventually) through derivatives, just like in the rest of the markets. It is coming VERY SOON. Along with regulation. Those coins positioning themselves as the good guys, will survive. Those paying for the bad guys, probably too, I don't know but if their tech continue advancing like until now, they stand a chance to be ahead of the feds. But the good guys will eventually cross over when their gains -and losses- will be no more than 5-10% at a time (cycle), not before.

And guess what? Those surviving -and thriving-, will be the ones that GET IT, not the ones that cater to the credit card lobby.

So the Vericard, pretty much like the rest of the "features" is an exercise in nothingness. Nothing bad but certainly nothing that's any good. Vericoin was much better without it... except that it was, and remains, a helmless ship, totally at the mercy of capricious winds and without path or purpose.  



Hey you are also Buy4Crypto or are you 2 different people? Sorry if i'm confused and not trying to offend if your not.


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
         µ╔╗╗▄╦µµ,
     ╔╗▓▓▓██████▓▓▓▓▄╗µ.                                          ,╔╗H
   ╔╫▓████▀▀╨╨╨╨╩▀▀▀▓██▓▓╬╦                                   .╔▄▓▓▓M`
  ]▓███▌╨             "╨╝▀▀"            ».                .╔╗▓▓███▀"
 :╫███▌░                         .,╔╗▓▓▓▓▓            .,╦▓▓█████▌"
 ]▓███H                     .╔╥▄▓▓████▀╩╨`          ╔╬▓███████▓M`
 ]╣███Ń                  ╔╗▄▓▓███▀▀╨"              `╨▀███████▀"
 `╣███▓H             ,╔╬▓████▓▀╨"`    ,╔╗╬▓▓▓▓N      ``╙╣▓█▌"
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   "╣███▓N   .╦▓█████▀╨`           ╫███▓M`           ╔╦µ,
    ╨╣███▓╗µ╗▓█████▀╨              ╫███▓N.         ╔╗▓█▓Ń
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      `╫██████▓M`                   ╙╣▓███████████████▀`     .╔╬╦
      .╫██████Ń.                      `╨▀▀████████▀▀╨`      ╔╫▓█▀
     ╔▓████████▓H                         `""╙╙╙"`        ,╬▓██M`
    ╬▓███▓▀▀▓███▓▄,                                     ,╗▓██▌"
  .╦▓███▓M  ╙╣████▓╦,                                 ╔╗▓██▓M`
  ╟▓███▌╨     ╨╣████▓╗,                            ,╔╣▓██▓M"
 :╫████Ń       `╙╣████▓N,                       ,╔╬▓████Ń`   j╗µ
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   `╣██████▓▓▄▄╥╥╓╓╓╥╥▄▄▄▓▓▓████████████▄╥,                   :╫██▌`
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August 23, 2014, 08:02:43 AM
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Hi barabbas. Not the same without you.


Much funnier on Pay-per-View, but not enough people want to see the show.

Even though I accept Vericoin (without card)... go figure...
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This request for a "moderated forum" is as absurd as the demential cheerleading ... and, peculiarly enough, by the same usual suspects... They have had Veritalk for a long time, fully available. They have reddit. They have the orgiastically cheerleading (and fully censored) IRC channel but, hey, they still want yet another thread. In actuality what they want is a censored place, one more, where no voices of dissension are ever heard. I'd say go for it: It is very, veri easy: Just create the damned thread, moderate is as much as you want and get done with it. I mean you are quite pathetic already but if you want to be even more... Get it through your thick and idiotic skull: No one, but a half dozen altogether, will ever go to those stupid places, ok? You want you coin dead? Just close this thread... or, to be more precise, follow in the footsteps -as in so many thin gs- the Blackcoin example: They have "flourished" indeed, since they opted to close the non moderated thread. But hey, you are dying to commit harakiri anyway so be my guests...

THE VERICARD POOF...

As I had anticipated since the get go, the "secret weapon" (still nothing about the plural announced by Stooge #1), has turned to be a "poof", a queer fart of no relevance whatsoever.

OK, it is following in the tracks of Blackcoin, again and, like BC, condemned to be a huge failure.

Some here have pointed out that it is a step towards mass adoption... No it isn't. Mass adoption, as clearly pointed out in my raw flyer for WVD, passes by presenting any and ALL forms of credit cards, as the bad guys along with the banks. Jane and Joe Sixpacks would be piqued by Vericoin PRECISELY, because it is the OPPOSITE, direct OPPOSITE of banks and credit cards, not an enabler.

I dont give a flying fuck if someone has sold the Stooges on the idea that it will "make it easier" for average people to use crypto currency. Average people will never use crypto currency because it is easy to use -which is not to say it has to be complicated, mind you-, they will use it, paraphrasing Anthony Quinn in Lawrence of Arabia, "because it is their pleasure" and will to do so. Because they want to circumvent the banks and their credit cards, NEVER, EVER, because they want to make them fatter... as well as Coinsis or whatever the name of that intermediary is. The WHOLE purpose, the whole selling point is to eliminate, precisely, those parasites, the intermediaries. Jane and Joe Sixpacks understand VERY CLEARLY, that if they don't use intermediaries they don't have to pay for their offices and the multi millions in salaries their executives get. Both Jane and Joe get that immediately. From their wallet straight to the merchant or the friend or family member they want to gift across the planet. THAT is EASY. This is BULL SHIT. Again. No one will ever use it, no one. Just like no one uses Coinkite or will ever use Moolah. The whole PURPOSE of crypto is absurdly diluted here. The whole thing couldn't be simpler: From my wallet to whoever I want, merchant or partner, direct, immediate and without any (or almost) cost. Period. Nothing more, nothing less. Joe and Jane will GET IT, no question about it. Just like they smell bull shit in ratios of miles, like this "deal" is.

Now, UK doesn't "get it" either when we talk about "mass adoption". He's quite right when he states that mass adoption is a pipe dream. It is. It will continue being, even for BTC, as long as the volatility is so brutal. Makes perfect sense: Businesses, of practically ANY size, but obviously the smaller the less, cannot afford such volatility. So ANY adoption will necessarily pass through the cryptocurrency of choice being converted to fiat IMMEDIATELY. That's not adoption! That's another form of using intermediaries (and paying for them) regardless how you want to call them. So the barrier is not just BTC, the barrier is the PRICE of the coin. And as long as that price is not reasonable stable, no merchant will ever operate in crypto. They may accept it as payment, just like they accept VISA or Amex, but charging for it what those companies charge them (3-3.5% or more). In crypto they will charge whatever they are charged for the immediate conversion to fiat. What are they  after -Coinsis and the merchants that accept crypto, along with the dozens of other intermediaries? they just want to tap, as paying customers, the community of dickheads in crypto, those idiots bent on using their coins to buy stuff believing they are opposing the system when, in reality, they are making it fatter, paying even bigger fees to a new horde of centralized intermediaries who, like the established ones, just want to suck them dry.

Mass adoption, passes through, first, MASS AWARENESS. And then, price stabilization. That is coming very soon when people will be able to short BTC (and others, eventually) through derivatives, just like in the rest of the markets. It is coming VERY SOON. Along with regulation. Those coins positioning themselves as the good guys, will survive. Those playing for the bad guys, probably too, I don't know but if their tech continue advancing like until now, they stand a chance to be ahead of the feds. But the good guys will eventually cross over when their gains -and losses- will be no more than 5-10% at a time (cycle), not before.

And guess what? Those surviving -and thriving-, will be the ones that GET IT, not the ones that cater to the credit card lobby.

So the Vericard, pretty much like the rest of the "features" is an exercise in nothingness. Nothing bad but certainly nothing that's any good. Vericoin was much better without it... except that it was, and remains, a helmless ship, totally at the mercy of capricious winds and without path or purpose.  




This time I have to agree. There will be plenty of fees.
1.for the exchange
2.for the transaction
3.for the card issuer

Did I forget some?

All of this to feed the banks. What is not the purpose of digital currency.
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