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[ELMER_FUD]

barrabas is confusing to me
sometimes he is talking sense
sometimes it is nonsense
does barrabas want to help the VRC
does barrabas want to hurt the VRC
the answer to this riddle is the key
the majority of this thread belongs to barrabas
if barrabas wants to help the VRC then VRC has hope
if barrabas doesnt want to help the barrabas then VRC needs to do something about barrabas to have hope

I dont know if barrabas is with or against VRC

I think he's here to disrupt this thread and to disillusion potential investors.  I've been saying that for the little bit of time that I've been posting in this thread.  He's like cryptocurrency COINTELPRO and he's here to neutralize VeriCoin as it's a threat to somebody, something, or perhaps even to some other coin.  A few people that I've talked to outside of this thread think that he's probably being paid to spread FUD here and I tend to believe that they could possibly be on to something.

[jl777]

James,

Thanks for coming on here and making your case, this makes things much easier to do, as we don't have to talk to people about something we can't really talk about.  We are very interested in being in the SuperNet and if the community can get together the funds for escrow that James requests, then that is enough of a vote for us to gladly move forward with adding his system to our system.  I urge you all to look at his previous work and James I appreciate your offer for VeriCoin, we are excited by the potential of your technological vision.

Thanks,
Doug

I am sorry I was too busy to notice how bad things were getting and I feel bad that I probably was partly the cause.
I am glad you are supportive and I hope the community can decide. Either is fine, I honor my commitments, all of them but the not knowing is preventing me from other possibilities.

With the full support of the VRC core devs, then the probability of success goes up a lot. Even if I was a monkey the sheer mass of traffic from SuperNET and the "jl777 effect" would reverse the decay and put the mintpal event in the past. However, without solid follow through, it will be temporary and I am not after any pump. I HODL all the coins, I am sort of a collector and tinkerer, so I would keep coming up with ideas that are best suited for VRC to use as they have a distinct differentiator being public figures.

Maybe they can even be making speeches at all the fancy conferences about SuperNET and this sort of thing will give some amount of credibility to the devs, which is the foundation for a coin's value. I think once the market believes there is a coherent plan to differentiate VRC and build value unique to it, then the 100000+ user base that is awaiting such a feature will firmly establish the return to ATH and beyond. So, of course this is good for anybody with a large stake and HODL for years, like I do.

It seems most here are not even aware of SuperNET https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762346.0
I predict it will be the second largest crypto IPO ever.
I put this together in one week, including delay caused by the primary ICO host bailing out the day it was scheduled to go live

James

[barabbas]

barrabas is confusing to me
sometimes he is talking sense
sometimes it is nonsense
does barrabas want to help the VRC
does barrabas want to hurt the VRC
the answer to this riddle is the key
the majority of this thread belongs to barrabas
if barrabas wants to help the VRC then VRC has hope
if barrabas doesnt want to help the barrabas then VRC needs to do something about barrabas to have hope

I dont know if barrabas is with or against VRC

You give me waaaay too much gravitas, totally undeserved and unrealistic. But, like I have stated many times already since it was first proposed, I am ALL for the deal... which, contrary to what you think is in fact the opposite of what you believe my vote will bring, as you are about to see by yourself.

look at https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_bbr on the ALL timescale
and take a guess when I announced that it was possible BBR would be added to SuperNET

James, once more, im on board with your deal since it wss first proposed. Now, more so. But, I'm afraid, it will not happen for reasons you have expressed yourself already. As you can see, Doug here talks and talks anf talks ...but says nothing, as usual. ALL he and the other 2 have to say is "I support this deal and I am putting 100k vericoin myself for it". It is my understanding Nosker has already agreed to front that amount himself... maybe he will cortoborate? That's all it would take, nothing more. Not whatever I may say.

[jl777]

James,

Thanks for coming on here and making your case, this makes things much easier to do, as we don't have to talk to people about something we can't really talk about.  We are very interested in being in the SuperNet and if the community can get together the funds for escrow that James requests, then that is enough of a vote for us to gladly move forward with adding his system to our system.  I urge you all to look at his previous work and James I appreciate your offer for VeriCoin, we are excited by the potential you mentioned.

Thanks,
Doug

I hope you are not added to the SuperNET, for one you guys are not very upfront with the userbase.
The super secret best thing ever announcement was shit to be honest, jl777 already had that in place prior and did not drag it out.
As much as I had hopes for this coin, this super backdoor secret shit is just bad for the business overall.

So please continue with the "we don't have to talk to people about something we can't talk really talk about".  Take a chapter from BTCD and see how no upfront and no backdoor deals go for a coin.

to be fair, it was my requirement for secrecy. I didnt want to create any pump since there were so many hurdles for any deal. It was a mistake on my part. So, any blame for the negative stuff from the secrecy is all me

James

[ELMER_FUD]

James,

Thanks for coming on here and making your case, this makes things much easier to do, as we don't have to talk to people about something we can't really talk about.  We are very interested in being in the SuperNet and if the community can get together the funds for escrow that James requests, then that is enough of a vote for us to gladly move forward with adding his system to our system.  I urge you all to look at his previous work and James I appreciate your offer for VeriCoin, we are excited by the potential of your technological vision.

Thanks,
Doug

Nice!  So there you have it.   

[jl777]

barrabas is confusing to me
sometimes he is talking sense
sometimes it is nonsense
does barrabas want to help the VRC
does barrabas want to hurt the VRC
the answer to this riddle is the key
the majority of this thread belongs to barrabas
if barrabas wants to help the VRC then VRC has hope
if barrabas doesnt want to help the barrabas then VRC needs to do something about barrabas to have hope

I dont know if barrabas is with or against VRC

You give me waaaay too much gravitas, totally undeserved and unrealistic. But, like I have stated many times already since it was first proposed, I am ALL for the deal... which, contrary to what you think is in fact the opposite of what you believe my vote will bring, as you are about to see by yourself.

see it is like you are intentionally making every one hate you and then recommending to do the deal to influence people against it.
my theory is you have some agenda against VRC, maybe paid, but that doest make sense as VRC after rollback is no threat to anyone
so it has to be some sort of personal thing, where either one of the core devs or some big VRC holder did you wrong, at least in your mind and you are doing all this to get even.
I dont think you still have much VRC

so, what is your grievance. until this is solved it will keep going and I dont have time to waste on your personal issues when I am being responsible for my investors funds.
either come clean and then we can resolve things or I will have to ask all in the VRC community to put you on ignore and I really dont want to do that to somebody that is not a real troll.

James

[ELMER_FUD]

James,

Thanks for coming on here and making your case, this makes things much easier to do, as we don't have to talk to people about something we can't really talk about.  We are very interested in being in the SuperNet and if the community can get together the funds for escrow that James requests, then that is enough of a vote for us to gladly move forward with adding his system to our system.  I urge you all to look at his previous work and James I appreciate your offer for VeriCoin, we are excited by the potential of your technological vision.

Thanks,
Doug

I am sorry I was too busy to notice how bad things were getting and I feel bad that I probably was partly the cause.
I am glad you are supportive and I hope the community can decide. Either is fine, I honor my commitments, all of them but the not knowing is preventing me from other possibilities.

With the full support of the VRC core devs, then the probability of success goes up a lot. Even if I was a monkey the sheer mass of traffic from SuperNET and the "jl777 effect" would reverse the decay and put the mintpal event in the past. However, without solid follow through, it will be temporary and I am not after any pump. I HODL all the coins, I am sort of a collector and tinkerer, so I would keep coming up with ideas that are best suited for VRC to use as they have a distinct differentiator being public figures.

Maybe they can even be making speeches at all the fancy conferences about SuperNET and this sort of thing will give some amount of credibility to the devs, which is the foundation for a coin's value. I think once the market believes there is a coherent plan to differentiate VRC and build value unique to it, then the 100000+ user base that is awaiting such a feature will firmly establish the return to ATH and beyond. So, of course this is good for anybody with a large stake and HODL for years, like I do.

It seems most here are not even aware of SuperNET https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762346.0
I predict it will be the second largest crypto IPO ever.
I put this together in one week, including delay caused by the primary ICO host bailing out the day it was scheduled to go live

James

I'll definitely have to spend some time researching superNET now that you brought it to my attention.  Thank you so much.  I'm greatly looking forward to learning about it and I hope that you and VeriCoin meet with great success.

[xtent]

James,

Thanks for coming on here and making your case, this makes things much easier to do, as we don't have to talk to people about something we can't really talk about.  We are very interested in being in the SuperNet and if the community can get together the funds for escrow that James requests, then that is enough of a vote for us to gladly move forward with adding his system to our system.  I urge you all to look at his previous work and James I appreciate your offer for VeriCoin, we are excited by the potential you mentioned.

Thanks,
Doug

I hope you are not added to the SuperNET, for one you guys are not very upfront with the userbase.
The super secret best thing ever announcement was shit to be honest, jl777 already had that in place prior and did not drag it out.
As much as I had hopes for this coin, this super backdoor secret shit is just bad for the business overall.

So please continue with the "we don't have to talk to people about something we can't talk really talk about".  Take a chapter from BTCD and see how no upfront and no backdoor deals go for a coin.

to be fair, it was my requirement for secrecy. I didnt want to create any pump since there were so many hurdles for any deal. It was a mistake on my part. So, any blame for the negative stuff from the secrecy is all me

James

This is beyond the case of the mystery "dev4", if you look at their deal for the credit card, it was a train wreck, and of course not listening to their community about wizrig is surely not their brightest moment either.

[jl777]

barrabas is confusing to me
sometimes he is talking sense
sometimes it is nonsense
does barrabas want to help the VRC
does barrabas want to hurt the VRC
the answer to this riddle is the key
the majority of this thread belongs to barrabas
if barrabas wants to help the VRC then VRC has hope
if barrabas doesnt want to help the barrabas then VRC needs to do something about barrabas to have hope

I dont know if barrabas is with or against VRC

You give me waaaay too much gravitas, totally undeserved and unrealistic. But, like I have stated many times already since it was first proposed, I am ALL for the deal... which, contrary to what you think is in fact the opposite of what you believe my vote will bring, as you are about to see by yourself.

look at https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_bbr on the ALL timescale
and take a guess when I announced that it was possible BBR would be added to SuperNET

James, once more, im on board with your deal since it wss first proposed. Now, more so. But, I'm afraid, it will not happen for reasons you have expressed yourself already. As you can see, Doug here talks and talks anf talks ...but says nothing, as usual. ALL he and the other 2 have to say is "I support this deal and I am putting 100k vericoin myself for it". It is my understanding Nosker has already agreed to front that amount himself... maybe he will cortoborate? That's all it would take, nothing more. Not whatever I may say.

Actually, they have honored my request for secrecy
this shows integrity and honor
they are slow, but this comes from not wanting to make a mistake and I doubt they have any experience in deals like this as I think I am the only one who has ever done anything like this before and it was not publicized

so now it is in the open, we can create some sort of signup and if you can do some self-analysis to figure out what the personal issue against VRC is, then VRC community will be able to be healed

you are making some sense and this is the danger. If you are a loon, everybody can safely ignore you, but a lot of what you say makes some sense, then you say some crazy stuff.
very confusing and no new whale investor will invest.

Now I have a few dozen whales that I have helped them make several millions USD over the previous months. If I say VRC is a good long term HODL, you will see some whales come in, but these are serious investors and they are not going to put more than 1 BTC in with you constantly doing what you do.
The key to coin value is long term HODL and 10 to 100 BTC accumulations by some few dozen whales.
this is not possible until we fix the "barrabas problem"

[jl777]

James,

Thanks for coming on here and making your case, this makes things much easier to do, as we don't have to talk to people about something we can't really talk about.  We are very interested in being in the SuperNet and if the community can get together the funds for escrow that James requests, then that is enough of a vote for us to gladly move forward with adding his system to our system.  I urge you all to look at his previous work and James I appreciate your offer for VeriCoin, we are excited by the potential you mentioned.

Thanks,
Doug

I hope you are not added to the SuperNET, for one you guys are not very upfront with the userbase.
The super secret best thing ever announcement was shit to be honest, jl777 already had that in place prior and did not drag it out.
As much as I had hopes for this coin, this super backdoor secret shit is just bad for the business overall.

So please continue with the "we don't have to talk to people about something we can't talk really talk about".  Take a chapter from BTCD and see how no upfront and no backdoor deals go for a coin.

to be fair, it was my requirement for secrecy. I didnt want to create any pump since there were so many hurdles for any deal. It was a mistake on my part. So, any blame for the negative stuff from the secrecy is all me

James

This is beyond the case of the mystery "dev4", if you look at their deal for the credit card, it was a train wreck, and of course not listening to their community about wizrig is surely not their brightest moment either.

I am pretty good with advices on a wide spectrum of matters, so as long as they are getting my feedback on major things, at least my experience might be of some benefit.
I have noticed a lack of vision with most altcoins and VRC is no exception
A few cool features are better than nothing, but without a cohesive market differentiator, there is just brownian motion in the market. What we want is forward progress and for that we need a specific market position.

so, I think I am somewhat unique factor and if you are not willing to hit the reset button and evaluate things from here moving forward, we might as well be talking about blockchain rollbacks forever. That seems pretty much a waste of time and I dont like to waste time

James

[barabbas]

barrabas is confusing to me
sometimes he is talking sense
sometimes it is nonsense
does barrabas want to help the VRC
does barrabas want to hurt the VRC
the answer to this riddle is the key

the majority of this thread belongs to barrabas
if barrabas wants to help the VRC then VRC has hope
if barrabas doesnt want to help the barrabas then VRC needs to do something about barrabas to have hope

I dont know if barrabas is with or against VRC

You give me waaaay too much gravitas, totally undeserved and unrealistic. But, like I have stated many times already since it was first proposed, I am ALL for the deal... which, contrary to what you think is in fact the opposite of what you believe my vote will bring, as you are about to see by yourself.

look at https://poloniex.com/exchange/btc_bbr on the ALL timescale
and take a guess when I announced that it was possible BBR would be added to SuperNET

James, once more, im on board with your deal since it wss first proposed. Now, more so. But, I'm afraid, it will not happen for reasons you have expressed yourself already. As you can see, Doug here talks and talks anf talks ...but says nothing, as usual. ALL he and the other 2 have to say is "I support this deal and I am putting 100k vericoin myself for it". It is my understanding Nosker has already agreed to front that amount himself... maybe he will cortoborate? That's all it would take, nothing more. Not whatever I may say.

Actually, they have honored my request for secrecy
this shows integrity and honor
they are slow, but this comes from not wanting to make a mistake and I doubt they have any experience in deals like this as I think I am the only one who has ever done anything like this before and it was not publicized

so now it is in the open, we can create some sort of signup and if you can do some self-analysis to figure out what the personal issue against VRC is, then VRC community will be able to be healed

you are making some sense and this is the danger. If you are a loon, everybody can safely ignore you, but a lot of what you say makes some sense, then you say some crazy stuff.
very confusing and no new whale investor will invest.

Now I have a few dozen whales that I have helped them make several millions USD over the previous months. If I say VRC is a good long term HODL, you will see some whales come in, but these are serious investors and they are not going to put more than 1 BTC in with you constantly doing what you do.
The key to coin value is long term HODL and 10 to 100 BTC accumulations by some few dozen whales.
this is not possible until we fix the "barrabas problem"

Once again James you give me way too much gravitas totslly undeserved. And once again you choose to ser conspiracy yheoried where there are none. You dhould perhas visit my wall of shame and wall of honor before dpeculating further. Perhaps that way you would have a muvh better picture... it is real simple: as it is, vrc has no technical value, no direction and no real achievable targets. These are facts, not personal inventions. It has also a solid community that doesnt post here and a auickly diappesring and marketable "good guys" image. Thas is all. I am a very modedt investor in vrc like i sm in other coins. And my only master is truth.

Do with it as you please or deem necessary.

Sorry for typos, im on phone and its a pain to write...

[ELMER_FUD]

###
WARNING TO TROLLS:
My threads are a no FUD zone and require fact based posts. You are free to post your opinion, but if it is not a self-evident fact, please provide supporting data for any controversial claims. If you are violating of this rule, I cannot promise that your intellectual credibility wont obtain some tarnish, so if you are to be trolling you should make a sockpuppet acct. That way it will at least make it easy for everybody to realize you are trolling. Sockpuppet newbies will basically have a glowing sign around them that is blinking "the troll". If you use an established handle to troll, then be ready for some not so polite making fun of your intelligence. I am warning you so I wont feel so bad after doing this. I just really find trolls annoying.

Some trolls are persistent in refusing to follow my advices on proper posting behavior, like using fact based posts and not just FUD. Since after three warnings, the following have continued to troll in my thread and I tire of it. I will keep a list of such trolls so you can all know who I find to be worthy of being on my ignore list. Due to this behavior, I highly suggest to do the same or really take anything he says as only loosely based on fact.

List of Trolls on my ignore list:
barabbas
altcoinUK

I've been dreaming of such a disclaimer for several weeks now.  Thank you, James 

This forum would be such a better place if we could implement it here.

[ScottAllyn]

Like I said James,  this community, unfottunately, is not reafy for this deal. Neither,  more importantly, are the devs. So it won't happen.

For the  record, I am all for this deal as I was the moment it was proposed...

You're so silly. When drkman first proposed this deal, you suggested that he have himself committed to an institution.

He wouldn't become the 3rd largest holder unless he pushed us all the way to .001 and that would be a 10X from here so I'd say he would deserve it.

The real sad thing -but still very funny- is that you actually believe just one individual would be able, with his coding, to "push us" above .001.

I would recommend a nice, secluded institution but I'm afraid you're probably beyond that even at this point...

PROJECT JUGGERNAUT[...]

Ok, let me get this straight, before I get sick of laughing on the floor in hysterics for 10 minutes, unable to stop:

This "Juggernaut" guy is our "secret weapon", right? Since it is obvious by now that we have three stooges as devs that cannot code their way out of a paperbag, you propose to hire (code name: Juggernaut), that is so good, already has such great technologies ready to go and has such a prestige in the crypto world that he cannot get arrested (he cannot find a job) and cannot launch his own crypto currency? Is that it?

You cannot be serious!

[ELMER_FUD]

I'm sorry I couldn't tell you who DEV4 was.  I was just trying to honor my prior commitments.

I'll be the first to say it publicly:

Thank you, drkman! 

[xtent]

Wow!  I guess the cat is out of the bag now.

To anyone who does not know what the value of SuperNET is to a coin, I'll point you to do a quick exchange lookup of BBR.  That was the first coin added to SuperNET a short while back.  BBR has went up over 1100% since it was added to the SuperNET just days ago.

If anyone else wants to understand the value of this please read the below thread as BTCD is the core that drives SuperNET.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=684090.0

Cat was out bro, prior to these post.
You just happened to not respond to my PM with legit answer.

I'm sorry I couldn't tell you who DEV4 was.  I was just trying to honor my prior commitments.

That is fine, I understand that.
I knew prior to jl777 posting, I sent a PM to you and then one to him.
Is he a big time developer, yes!
Do I want him to do this deal with Vericoin? No.
At this point it dragged on like anything else with this coin and is honestly bad for business at this point.

[barabbas]

Like I said James,  this community, unfottunately, is not reafy for this deal. Neither,  more importantly, are the devs. So it won't happen.

For the  record, I am all for this deal as I was the moment it was proposed...

You're so silly. When drkman first proposed this deal, you suggested that he have himself committed to an institution.

He wouldn't become the 3rd largest holder unless he pushed us all the way to .001 and that would be a 10X from here so I'd say he would deserve it.

The real sad thing -but still very funny- is that you actually believe just one individual would be able, with his coding, to "push us" above .001.

I would recommend a nice, secluded institution but I'm afraid you're probably beyond that even at this point...

PROJECT JUGGERNAUT[...]

Ok, let me get this straight, before I get sick of laughing on the floor in hysterics for 10 minutes, unable to stop:

This "Juggernaut" guy is our "secret weapon", right? Since it is obvious by now that we have three stooges as devs that cannot code their way out of a paperbag, you propose to hire (code name: Juggernaut), that is so good, already has such great technologies ready to go and has such a prestige in the crypto world that he cannot get arrested (he cannot find a job) and cannot launch his own crypto currency? Is that it?

You cannot be serious!

All of that being true -and i still dont believe that James, even if he was to be supported fully, which he is not going to-, I still believe vrc will not get even remotely close to 0.001. Not in a year. Not ever.

Now that said, that vrry day and only minutes arter those I posted my FULL SUPPOTT to the dev4 project.

You should know by now that I nevrr ever lie. Drkman, this is a dpecific answer. Like i told you in the pm i will honor as i slways do my word.  Before monday you'll see everything I tlld you has vome to fruition. In spades.

[ereborltc]

i would love to have jl777 onboard !! I've read about superNET and seen the james effect first hand on bbr! I think the community needs to really get together right now and make this happen, I'm ready to donate. we have a chance to be part of something great! right now!

lets do this!!

[MAD945]

James...much respect for you coming forward and explaining your position on VRC(the good and the bad)

Please don't take the last 20+ pages of this thread as an indicator of the Vericoin community, this community thread has been hijacked by two individuals and the real community has left long ago for IRC. If you really want to see what Vericoin community has to offer come join us in IRC or the upcoming new forum which will bring a lot of our supports back to a forum environment.

I look forward to reading more about what your plans are and what potential the SuperNET has to offer.

For the love of god please...put Barabbas and AltcoinUK on ignore!

[ereborltc]

James...much respect for you coming forward and explaining your position on VRC(the good and the bad)

Please don't take the last 20+ pages of this thread as an indicator of the Vericoin community, this community thread has been hijacked by two individuals and the real community has left long ago for IRC. If you really want to see what Vericoin community has to offer come join us in IRC or the upcoming new forum which will bring a lot of our supports back to a forum environment.

I look forward to reading more about what your plans are and what potential the SuperNET has to offer.

For the love of god please...put Barabbas and AltcoinUK on ignore!

agreed but for now i think we all need to just put Barabbas and AltcoinUK on ignore and focus on the deal thats on the table right now. we need to come together right now and come to an agreement to start this ball rolling...

i vote for YES and I'm ready to help in anyway i can.

[ereborltc]

Wow!  I guess the cat is out of the bag now.

To anyone who does not know what the value of SuperNET is to a coin, I'll point you to do a quick exchange lookup of BBR.  That was the first coin added to SuperNET a short while back.  BBR has went up over 1100% since it was added to the SuperNET just days ago.

If anyone else wants to understand the value of this please read the below thread as BTCD is the core that drives SuperNET.  Also, jl777 is the developer of BTCD and under his technological development and expertise he has increased its market cap from near 200,000 to now over 8 Million dollars.  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=684090.0

I believe jl777 is developing the future of crypto with the SuperNET and based on how everything he touches explodes higher price wise.............I am not alone in that belief.

Our potentially very bright future is in our hands my fellow VRC longs.

just reposting this for anyone you who isn't familiar with superNET and james(jl777) and the work he's done on btcd... lets get this done guys

thanks @drkman for bringing this together now all we need is the community to embrace it which i strongly believe will!