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May 15, 2014, 06:30:32 AM
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After long time of waiting my first payment is arrived.
0.270088 CUR for Valid: 3822
Now I a at 70K points so I expected around to get 5 CURE for this in total now.
Curecoin is a good coin!

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May 15, 2014, 06:32:22 AM
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I was wondering if anyone's considered hitting this thing from the third angle. We've got GPU's hitting the folding pretty hard. We've got SHA256 ASIC's hitting the mining end pretty hard. What about a multipool so the SCRYPT ASIC's can hit the value end of things? Then all mining hardware could be used to develop and support CureCoin. Just a thought.

We have nothing useful for scrypt asics to do and it would effectively require a hard fork for nothing.


Asics secure network
GPUs fold


Scrypt Asics would be worse at securing the network especially because their are a lot less.
Scrypt Asics can't fold.

No no, scrypt asics could mine at a MultiPool, like BlackCoin's or CinniCoin's multipool. Basically they would mine Scrypt Based altcoins, and the multipool would automatically trade them for CureCoins. It's a proven technique that allows Scrypt miners to apply buy pressure to coins that are otherwise unobtainable for them.

It wouldn't require any change to the wallet or network. The Scrypt Miners literally just buy coins in exchange for their hashpower.

Buy pressure created by these pools is almost none.... I think BCpool last time I looks was creating 7BTC of buy pressure... That is nothing. Those multipools are basically hype machines for people that do not do the math. Sounds like it would work though.



Totally agree. First of all these pools are always associated with sh*tcoins that are desperately looking to create some hype/ fake demand.
Copying an idea for the tenth time just doesnt work anyway. You need to be ahead of the curve just like this coin is to create some value  Cool



Can anyone elaborate on a few technical aspects of the coin ?

# If there is no hard cap for the coins how was the 5% premine done ? 5% of ∞ is ? Huh
# How does the " Network balancing" mentioned in the OP work ? How does an increase in SHA256 difficulty affect folders ?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvPoRrj3QF5sdGlxUzdKVVgyaWZvZGlaT195OEFKZmc&usp=sharing



Ok, fact that the coins for the folders were all premined doesnt look so good Undecided  I wonder why couldnt that just be divided between the miners and folders as the coins are minted ?
So essentially one person is in control of ~80% of the coins ? Paying folders is done manually ?
What happens if the developer dies in a plane crash etc and takes the private keys with him ?


Just trying to get some clarity here.
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May 15, 2014, 06:40:22 AM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603757.msg6688632#msg6688632

Also im pretty sure there are systems in place should that occur... Almost certain i also read that somewhere... just forgot where ^.^

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May 15, 2014, 06:42:56 AM
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I was wondering if anyone's considered hitting this thing from the third angle. We've got GPU's hitting the folding pretty hard. We've got SHA256 ASIC's hitting the mining end pretty hard. What about a multipool so the SCRYPT ASIC's can hit the value end of things? Then all mining hardware could be used to develop and support CureCoin. Just a thought.

We have nothing useful for scrypt asics to do and it would effectively require a hard fork for nothing.


Asics secure network
GPUs fold


Scrypt Asics would be worse at securing the network especially because their are a lot less.
Scrypt Asics can't fold.

No no, scrypt asics could mine at a MultiPool, like BlackCoin's or CinniCoin's multipool. Basically they would mine Scrypt Based altcoins, and the multipool would automatically trade them for CureCoins. It's a proven technique that allows Scrypt miners to apply buy pressure to coins that are otherwise unobtainable for them.

It wouldn't require any change to the wallet or network. The Scrypt Miners literally just buy coins in exchange for their hashpower.

Buy pressure created by these pools is almost none.... I think BCpool last time I looks was creating 7BTC of buy pressure... That is nothing. Those multipools are basically hype machines for people that do not do the math. Sounds like it would work though.



Totally agree. First of all these pools are always associated with sh*tcoins that are desperately looking to create some hype/ fake demand.
Copying an idea for the tenth time just doesnt work anyway. You need to be ahead of the curve just like this coin is to create some value  Cool



Can anyone elaborate on a few technical aspects of the coin ?

# If there is no hard cap for the coins how was the 5% premine done ? 5% of ∞ is ? Huh
# How does the " Network balancing" mentioned in the OP work ? How does an increase in SHA256 difficulty affect folders ?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvPoRrj3QF5sdGlxUzdKVVgyaWZvZGlaT195OEFKZmc&usp=sharing



Ok, fact that the coins for the folders were all premined doesnt look so good Undecided  I wonder why couldnt that just be divided between the miners and folders as the coins are minted ?
So essentially one person is in control of ~80% of the coins ? Paying folders is done manually ?
What happens if the developer dies in a plane crash etc and takes the private keys with him ?


Just trying to get some clarity here.

Yeah, that is literally my only concern. I'd very much like to see a hardfork that releases the coins to the folding pool as the blocks are minted, instead of having them premined. I have not a single doubt that the Dev's intentions are honorable, and that, quite frankly, this is his baby and he would never do anything to harm it. But what happens if this coin outlives him? Can we trust the people that follow? Wouldn't it be easier to make the necessary changes to ensure the coin's survival while it's still young?

I'm on board either way. I think this project is too important not to take part. But the premine is an issue, and one that does concern me.
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May 15, 2014, 06:46:28 AM
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Good luck with your coin-project!


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May 15, 2014, 06:51:44 AM
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I was wondering if anyone's considered hitting this thing from the third angle. We've got GPU's hitting the folding pretty hard. We've got SHA256 ASIC's hitting the mining end pretty hard. What about a multipool so the SCRYPT ASIC's can hit the value end of things? Then all mining hardware could be used to develop and support CureCoin. Just a thought.

We have nothing useful for scrypt asics to do and it would effectively require a hard fork for nothing.


Asics secure network
GPUs fold


Scrypt Asics would be worse at securing the network especially because their are a lot less.
Scrypt Asics can't fold.

No no, scrypt asics could mine at a MultiPool, like BlackCoin's or CinniCoin's multipool. Basically they would mine Scrypt Based altcoins, and the multipool would automatically trade them for CureCoins. It's a proven technique that allows Scrypt miners to apply buy pressure to coins that are otherwise unobtainable for them.

It wouldn't require any change to the wallet or network. The Scrypt Miners literally just buy coins in exchange for their hashpower.

Buy pressure created by these pools is almost none.... I think BCpool last time I looks was creating 7BTC of buy pressure... That is nothing. Those multipools are basically hype machines for people that do not do the math. Sounds like it would work though.



Totally agree. First of all these pools are always associated with sh*tcoins that are desperately looking to create some hype/ fake demand.
Copying an idea for the tenth time just doesnt work anyway. You need to be ahead of the curve just like this coin is to create some value  Cool



Can anyone elaborate on a few technical aspects of the coin ?

# If there is no hard cap for the coins how was the 5% premine done ? 5% of ∞ is ? Huh
# How does the " Network balancing" mentioned in the OP work ? How does an increase in SHA256 difficulty affect folders ?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvPoRrj3QF5sdGlxUzdKVVgyaWZvZGlaT195OEFKZmc&usp=sharing



Ok, fact that the coins for the folders were all premined doesnt look so good Undecided  I wonder why couldnt that just be divided between the miners and folders as the coins are minted ?
So essentially one person is in control of ~80% of the coins ? Paying folders is done manually ?
What happens if the developer dies in a plane crash etc and takes the private keys with him ?


Just trying to get some clarity here.

Yeah, that is literally my only concern. I'd very much like to see a hardfork that releases the coins to the folding pool as the blocks are minted, instead of having them premined. I have not a single doubt that the Dev's intentions are honorable, and that, quite frankly, this is his baby and he would never do anything to harm it. But what happens if this coin outlives him? Can we trust the people that follow? Wouldn't it be easier to make the necessary changes to ensure the coin's survival while it's still young?

I'm on board either way. I think this project is too important not to take part. But the premine is an issue, and one that does concern me.

You have to also understand that F@H is not under the dev's control. It's under Stanford University and it has been going on since 2000.

Since folding is not mining and vice versa, you can't just depend on the miners solving blocks and the mining pools giving the coins to the folding pool so that they can payout to the folders.

I can't think of a better system that the dev has already implemented except maybe increasing payouts to twice a day instead of once.
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May 15, 2014, 07:06:46 AM
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I also wish that dev would bring more light to the whole premine thing - Starting with a blockexplorer, what sort of systems are in place to distribute the folding premine and ending with a audit from KPMG,PwC etc showing all the coins really are the property of CURECOIN LLC.


I am not trying to bash the coin but I cant see big exchanges adopting the coin or investors putting serious cash in it without some clarity on the matter.
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May 15, 2014, 07:08:53 AM
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I was wondering if anyone's considered hitting this thing from the third angle. We've got GPU's hitting the folding pretty hard. We've got SHA256 ASIC's hitting the mining end pretty hard. What about a multipool so the SCRYPT ASIC's can hit the value end of things? Then all mining hardware could be used to develop and support CureCoin. Just a thought.

We have nothing useful for scrypt asics to do and it would effectively require a hard fork for nothing.


Asics secure network
GPUs fold


Scrypt Asics would be worse at securing the network especially because their are a lot less.
Scrypt Asics can't fold.

No no, scrypt asics could mine at a MultiPool, like BlackCoin's or CinniCoin's multipool. Basically they would mine Scrypt Based altcoins, and the multipool would automatically trade them for CureCoins. It's a proven technique that allows Scrypt miners to apply buy pressure to coins that are otherwise unobtainable for them.

It wouldn't require any change to the wallet or network. The Scrypt Miners literally just buy coins in exchange for their hashpower.

Buy pressure created by these pools is almost none.... I think BCpool last time I looks was creating 7BTC of buy pressure... That is nothing. Those multipools are basically hype machines for people that do not do the math. Sounds like it would work though.



Totally agree. First of all these pools are always associated with sh*tcoins that are desperately looking to create some hype/ fake demand.
Copying an idea for the tenth time just doesnt work anyway. You need to be ahead of the curve just like this coin is to create some value  Cool



Can anyone elaborate on a few technical aspects of the coin ?

# If there is no hard cap for the coins how was the 5% premine done ? 5% of ∞ is ? Huh
# How does the " Network balancing" mentioned in the OP work ? How does an increase in SHA256 difficulty affect folders ?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvPoRrj3QF5sdGlxUzdKVVgyaWZvZGlaT195OEFKZmc&usp=sharing



Ok, fact that the coins for the folders were all premined doesnt look so good Undecided  I wonder why couldnt that just be divided between the miners and folders as the coins are minted ?
So essentially one person is in control of ~80% of the coins ? Paying folders is done manually ?
What happens if the developer dies in a plane crash etc and takes the private keys with him ?


Just trying to get some clarity here.

Yeah, that is literally my only concern. I'd very much like to see a hardfork that releases the coins to the folding pool as the blocks are minted, instead of having them premined. I have not a single doubt that the Dev's intentions are honorable, and that, quite frankly, this is his baby and he would never do anything to harm it. But what happens if this coin outlives him? Can we trust the people that follow? Wouldn't it be easier to make the necessary changes to ensure the coin's survival while it's still young?

I'm on board either way. I think this project is too important not to take part. But the premine is an issue, and one that does concern me.

You have to also understand that F@H is not under the dev's control. It's under Stanford University and it has been going on since 2000.

Since folding is not mining and vice versa, you can't just depend on the miners solving blocks and the mining pools giving the coins to the folding pool so that they can payout to the folders.

I can't think of a better system that the dev has already implemented except maybe increasing payouts to twice a day instead of once.

What I was thinking was have each minted block pay 20%(13 coins) to the block solver and 80%(52 coins) to the folding pool wallet. The folding pool wallet would still need to be tightly secured, and payouts would still need to be paid from it similar to how they are now, but there's security in the fact that if that wallet does somehow become compromised or abused then only several thousand coins are stolen before the problem can be fixed. Not 21 million coins.

There's something unsettling about knowing that almost 80% of all the coins that there will ever be is just sitting pretty in a wallet somewhere. It will also make it difficult to check how many curecoins are actually in circulation - because the only way to do that is to exclude that one particular wallet, which is a little unsettling by itself.
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May 15, 2014, 07:09:13 AM
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I dont see why mining pools couldnt give 80% of the coins to a centralized folding pool ?
I also wish that dev would bring more light to the whole premine thing - Starting with a blockexplorer, what sort of systems are in place to distribute the folding premine and ending with a audit from KPMG,PwC etc showing all the coins really are the property of CURECOIN LLC.


I am not trying to bash the coin but I cant see big exchanges adopting the coin or investors putting serious cash in it without some clarity on the matter.

Would you trust the pool op to do it?

If I were to solo mine with say 10th/s (which is possible by renting on betarigs or leaserig), I would have 1/10 of the network (100 th/s last I saw). What's to stop me from hoarding the coins and not passing them along to the folding pool?
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I dont see why mining pools couldnt give 80% of the coins to a centralized folding pool ?
I also wish that dev would bring more light to the whole premine thing - Starting with a blockexplorer, what sort of systems are in place to distribute the folding premine and ending with a audit from KPMG,PwC etc showing all the coins really are the property of CURECOIN LLC.


I am not trying to bash the coin but I cant see big exchanges adopting the coin or investors putting serious cash in it without some clarity on the matter.
Im no economist or legalist for that matter.. so excuse me it it is a silly question... but having all coins the property of curecoin llc...couldnt that mean i could have to sumit my hard earned curecoins to curecoin llc at any time?

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May 15, 2014, 07:19:15 AM
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I dont see why mining pools couldnt give 80% of the coins to a centralized folding pool ?
I also wish that dev would bring more light to the whole premine thing - Starting with a blockexplorer, what sort of systems are in place to distribute the folding premine and ending with a audit from KPMG,PwC etc showing all the coins really are the property of CURECOIN LLC.


I am not trying to bash the coin but I cant see big exchanges adopting the coin or investors putting serious cash in it without some clarity on the matter.

Would you trust the pool op to do it?

If I were to solo mine with say 10th/s (which is possible by renting on betarigs or leaserig), I would have 1/10 of the network (100 th/s last I saw). What's to stop me from hoarding the coins and not passing them along to the folding pool?


Yeah, I dont know what happened to my brain there, realized it too a minute after the post Grin I guess there is no better way then.



Im no economist or legalist for that matter.. so excuse me it it is a silly question... but having all coins the property of curecoin llc...couldnt that mean i could have to sumit my hard earned curecoins to curecoin llc at any time?


Well you are giving them away and this can be checked from the ledger/blockexplorer. Microsoft owns windows but it doesnt mean they can summit from me  Grin
The matter is a bit complex for me also but I actually wouldnt worry about Curecoin LLC summiting the coins  Smiley
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May 15, 2014, 07:28:47 AM
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I dont see why mining pools couldnt give 80% of the coins to a centralized folding pool ?
I also wish that dev would bring more light to the whole premine thing - Starting with a blockexplorer, what sort of systems are in place to distribute the folding premine and ending with a audit from KPMG,PwC etc showing all the coins really are the property of CURECOIN LLC.


I am not trying to bash the coin but I cant see big exchanges adopting the coin or investors putting serious cash in it without some clarity on the matter.

Would you trust the pool op to do it?

If I were to solo mine with say 10th/s (which is possible by renting on betarigs or leaserig), I would have 1/10 of the network (100 th/s last I saw). What's to stop me from hoarding the coins and not passing them along to the folding pool?


Yeah, I dont know what happened to my brain there, realized it too a minute after the post Grin I guess there is no better way then.


No worries, it's good to have a discussion about this to find improvements in the system.
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May 15, 2014, 07:30:00 AM
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yes.. and a welcome change from all the :
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May 15, 2014, 07:32:45 AM
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I also wish that dev would bring more light to the whole premine thing - Starting with a blockexplorer, what sort of systems are in place to distribute the folding premine and ending with a audit from KPMG,PwC etc showing all the coins really are the property of CURECOIN LLC.


I am not trying to bash the coin but I cant see big exchanges adopting the coin or investors putting serious cash in it without some clarity on the matter.

There is already far more clarity on the matter than any other coin premine I have seen
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603757.msg6688632#msg6688632
hopefully more to come (block explorer is definitely needed)
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May 15, 2014, 07:39:36 AM
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This looks very interesting. I have a pretty powerful gaming PC that I will use for folding. I've tested it for about 5 minutes, it showed me a rough 100k points per day. How much coins would this roughly equal?


Before I start using it 24/7 I will need to put some new cooling paste on the CPU, it is hitting 90c+ degrees...lol.


Thanks

See here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603757.msg6722773#msg6722773

EDIT: What do you have for hardware? Not sure what you consider pretty powerful but a system with a single 7870/7950/270/280 should get 100k PPD. You should be able to get a lot more than that if you have something like crossfire 290Xs or whatever.

thanks for your help, I have solved the problem, and now it works so welll
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May 15, 2014, 07:51:17 AM
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I also wish that dev would bring more light to the whole premine thing - Starting with a blockexplorer, what sort of systems are in place to distribute the folding premine and ending with a audit from KPMG,PwC etc showing all the coins really are the property of CURECOIN LLC.


I am not trying to bash the coin but I cant see big exchanges adopting the coin or investors putting serious cash in it without some clarity on the matter.

There is already far more clarity on the matter than any other coin premine I have seen
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603757.msg6688632#msg6688632
hopefully more to come (block explorer is definitely needed)


http://explorer.m3ct0n.net/

It's a BETA and it's my first block explorer... Smiley

If u want to donate :p

CureCoin: BSnuDaT8GHyCCf18LJhQkBXjoAbiCMqdGp
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May 15, 2014, 08:03:24 AM
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Pool is still going strong :]
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May 15, 2014, 08:19:56 AM
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How's the Mac wallet coming along?
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May 15, 2014, 09:45:29 AM
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I have a question about the points, because I don't understand why my earned points are so low compared to my estimated PPD.

I've folded with my 280x for about 4 days with ~110k estimated PPD each day.

When I open the Advanced Control it shows on average for 1 WU/Project
Base Credit: ~15000
Estimated Credit: ~50000
Estimated PPD: ~110000
So how many points should I earn after I finished the project?

When I open the Web Control it shows that I've earned 99k points and I've folded 7 WUs so far.

I need between 10-12 hours for 1 WU.

How many coins do I earn after finishing the WU?
If I earned the estimated Credit, I would earn about ~110k PPD (similar to the estimated PPD)
But it looks like that I only get the Base Credit for each WU/Project (7 WUs*15000=105k, similar to my earned 99k points)

Is something wrong with my settings because I only earn the Base Credit or is the estimated PPD wrong calculated (because with only the base credit my estimated PPD should be ~35k instead of ~110k)?

Thanks in advance for clarification and help.
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May 15, 2014, 09:50:21 AM
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EDIT: What do you have for hardware? Not sure what you consider pretty powerful but a system with a single 7870/7950/270/280 should get 100k PPD. You should be able to get a lot more than that if you have something like crossfire 290Xs or whatever.

Are you sure about those numbers?
I get 150000 with 2x r9 270(each do ~60k) + gtx770(~30k).
cpu=2500k, 13.12 amd drivers, 335.23 nVidia drivers.

Am i missing something? What can be done to boost performance beside overclocking?
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