[ANN][CLAM] CLAMs, Proof-Of-Chain, Proof-Of-Working-Stake, a.k.a. "Clamcoin"

[smooth]

Also you must account for the fact people were buying the coin the last year or so assuming the digging had crawled to an end and most new coins would be from staking.

They ASSUMED incorrectly.

So the emission should reflect that.

Why should the emission reflect a bad bet that some people made? That's absurd.

[YoyodyneSystems]

Also you must account for the fact people were buying the coin the last year or so assuming the digging had crawled to an end and most new coins would be from staking.

They ASSUMED incorrectly.

So the emission should reflect that.

Why should the emission reflect a bad bet that some people made? That's absurd.

It's the bet everyone made. In reality the method of distribution was flawed from inception. There is still time to fix it.
Up to you guys what you do from here. Nothing else to say really.

[smooth]

It's the bet everyone made.

Everyone? Really? What about people who looked at CLAM and thought was overvalued so they didn't buy. Maybe some of these people are buying now (clearly someone is) or will buy if the price drops some more. We've already had one person on this thread state explicitly that he will buy if the price drops enough.

[jd1959]

Hi guys

I'm pleased to see so much debate about the current situation. I have a completely different thought and that is there are some Bitcoin people that actually hate all alt coins. I mean really hate, as far as they are

concerned alts just detract from Bitcoin. If such people have many addresses they have many Clams, they would be quite happy to dump hard hopping to destroy an alt. IMHO they don't care about how much they get

just how much damage they can do

Jon  

[smooth]

Hi guys

I'm pleased to see so much debate about the current situation. I have a completely different thought and that is there are some Bitcoin people that actually hate all alt coins. I mean really hate, as far as they are

concerned alts just detract from Bitcoin. If such people have many addresses they have many Clams, they would be quite happy to dump hard hopping to destroy an alt. IMHO they don't care about how much they get

just how much damage they can do

Jon  

Is it possible to tell whether the claimed CLAMs being dumped now come from BTC or one of the other chains? Maybe that has been answered before, but I don't remember seeing it.

[SuperClam]

Hi guys
I'm pleased to see so much debate about the current situation. I have a completely different thought and that is there are some Bitcoin people that actually hate all alt coins. I mean really hate, as far as they are
concerned alts just detract from Bitcoin. If such people have many addresses they have many Clams, they would be quite happy to dump hard hopping to destroy an alt. IMHO they don't care about how much they get
just how much damage they can do
Jon  

Is it possible to tell whether the claimed CLAMs being dumped now come from BTC or one of the other chains? Maybe that has been answered before, but I don't remember seeing it.

I believe they are BTC claims; at least the ones I personally looked up.

Don't quote me.

[BayAreaCoins]

With the current difficulty, a single 4.6 CLAM output/claim would be likely to take a great deal of time for a user to "claim".  So much time, in fact, that it may not even be economical to do so.

The current difficulty of digging their single 4.6 Clamcoins or staking with their single 4.6 CLAMs?

[SuperClam]

With the current difficulty, a single 4.6 CLAM output/claim would be likely to take a great deal of time for a user to "claim".  So much time, in fact, that it may not even be economical to do so.

The current difficulty of digging their single 4.6 Clamcoins or staking with their single 4.6 CLAMs?

Yes - the user suggested forcing diggers to stake distribution outputs in order to claim them.  Ergo, outputs in blocks < 10,000 would only be able to be included in staking transactions.

The statement you quoted was me attempting to play devil's advocate and improve on the initial suggestion.

[BayAreaCoins]

With the current difficulty, a single 4.6 CLAM output/claim would be likely to take a great deal of time for a user to "claim".  So much time, in fact, that it may not even be economical to do so.

The current difficulty of digging their single 4.6 Clamcoins or staking with their single 4.6 CLAMs?

Yes - the user suggested forcing diggers to stake distribution outputs in order to claim them.  Ergo, outputs in blocks < 10,000 would only be able to be included in staking transactions.

The statement you quoted was me attempting to play devil's advocate and improve on the initial suggestion.

Ah ok

[liie888coins]

Hi guys

I'm pleased to see so much debate about the current situation. I have a completely different thought and that is there are some Bitcoin people that actually hate all alt coins. I mean really hate, as far as they are

concerned alts just detract from Bitcoin. If such people have many addresses they have many Clams, they would be quite happy to dump hard hopping to destroy an alt. IMHO they don't care about how much they get

just how much damage they can do

Jon  

Good debate here.

I strongly advise the dev team should focus only on developments and not the daily price violatility.  Only by then people would still hold the coins, and it will just move the coins to stronger hands under market dumps.

This is a very bad idea to change the initial distribution rules now. If you change it once, people would think you can change it again anytime you like. You won't be able to keep any loyal holders and this will kill a trusted coin forever.

[Glucose]

This is a very bad idea to change the initial distribution rules now. If you change it once, people would think you can change it again anytime you like. You won't be able to keep any loyal holders and this will kill a trusted coin forever.

I agree with him. Let's focus on the developpment. Yes price is going low. But it will just increase the possibility for new users to buy clams. That's not so bad. You can't change the rules just because one man is digging a lot. That's part of what clams distribution was.

You better try to focus on developping the clams environment, which is quite poor in my opinion.

[edmundduke]

This is a very bad idea to change the initial distribution rules now. If you change it once, people would think you can change it again anytime you like. You won't be able to keep any loyal holders and this will kill a trusted coin forever.

I agree with him. Let's focus on the developpment. Yes price is going low. But it will just increase the possibility for new users to buy clams. That's not so bad. You can't change the rules just because one man is digging a lot. That's part of what clams distribution was.

You better try to focus on developping the clams environment, which is quite poor in my opinion.

Agreed. The possibility of this happening was very well known from the start as exchanges, gambling sites, whales etc all had a lot of wallets. The fact that someone is digging and selling them is up to them.

And i agree on the developing part, the coin needs more adoption as right it only seems to JD that keeps it going.

[seedtrue]

Clams having a nice little pump today so far. Poloniex charts are saying 82% increase at time of writing this.

[BayAreaCoins]

This is a very bad idea to change the initial distribution rules now. If you change it once, people would think you can change it again anytime you like. You won't be able to keep any loyal holders and this will kill a trusted coin forever.

I agree with him. Let's focus on the developpment. Yes price is going low. But it will just increase the possibility for new users to buy clams. That's not so bad. You can't change the rules just because one man is digging a lot. That's part of what clams distribution was.

You better try to focus on developping the clams environment, which is quite poor in my opinion.

Agreed. The possibility of this happening was very well known from the start as exchanges, gambling sites, whales etc all had a lot of wallets. The fact that someone is digging and selling them is up to them.
<snip>

Agree.

I've always assumed all the CLAMS would be dug.  Best to plan for the worst and hope for the best.



I'm 100% for leaving the CLAM rules the way they are and not fucking future CLAMMERS six ways from Sunday for the people who made bad short term trades.

Edit:  I would like to see the stake reward massively decreased.

[tspacepilot]

This is a very bad idea to change the initial distribution rules now. If you change it once, people would think you can change it again anytime you like. You won't be able to keep any loyal holders and this will kill a trusted coin forever.

I agree with him. Let's focus on the developpment. Yes price is going low. But it will just increase the possibility for new users to buy clams. That's not so bad. You can't change the rules just because one man is digging a lot. That's part of what clams distribution was.

You better try to focus on developping the clams environment, which is quite poor in my opinion.

Agreed. The possibility of this happening was very well known from the start as exchanges, gambling sites, whales etc all had a lot of wallets. The fact that someone is digging and selling them is up to them.
<snip>

Agree.

I've always assumed all the CLAMS would be dug.  Best to plan for the worst and hope for the best.



I'm 100% for leaving the CLAM rules the way they are and not fucking future CLAMMERS six ways from Sunday for the people who made bad short term trades.

This is basically my opinion, too.  I think that undermining the original rules of the distribution is only going to end up devaluing anyone's idea that CLAM is viable in the long-term.

[edmundduke]

Looks like CLAM is getting quite the action today. Lets see how long it lasts before the dump begins again but looks like some easy coin for anyone who bought some when it was low.

[crazyivan]

Looks like CLAM is getting quite the action today. Lets see how long it lasts before the dump begins again but looks like some easy coin for anyone who bought some when it was low.

Yap. Now it s obvious what was the plan of our dear the digger whale. Dump and make even more money on unsuspecting noobs. Well, I can play this roller-coaster as long as he wants but pump and dump scheme is not something I d like CLAM to be related to.

[edmundduke]

Looks like CLAM is getting quite the action today. Lets see how long it lasts before the dump begins again but looks like some easy coin for anyone who bought some when it was low.

Yap. Now it s obvious what was the plan of our dear the digger whale. Dump and make even more money on unsuspecting noobs. Well, I can play this roller-coaster as long as he wants but pump and dump scheme is not something I d like CLAM to be related to.

Agreed. I would also rather have a stable price but for now its all about taking advantage and riding the market. Pretty sure it wont last too long so got to play it out.

[BayAreaCoins]

Yap. Now it s obvious what was the plan of our dear the digger whale. Dump and make even more money on unsuspecting noobs. Well, I can play this roller-coaster as long as he wants but pump and dump scheme is not something I d like CLAM to be related to.

Zolace  

[Noolz39]

no blockchain?