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Author Topic: [XCR] Crypti | Dapps | Sidechains | Dapp Store | OPEN SOURCE | 100% own code | DPoS  (Read 804666 times)
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March 03, 2015, 08:45:13 PM
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Anyone know when bter withdraw for xcr start?
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Could be weeks.......... I am thinking that Bter's "Rebuilding the Backend" includes firing anyone that had access to the cold wallet and was then able to steal the BTC.. and then hiring all new people.

personally, I consider the XCR and BTC on Bter as lost.  I am now buying on Polo. 

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March 03, 2015, 09:32:47 PM
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Let us just all hope that we will be able to withdraw our XCR soon.

Hey Passion_ltc

Is development on 0.2.0 almost complete? When will you guys start work on Custom Blockchains? I'm not trying to put pressure on you guys or spread fud etc, etc., but my real concern for XCR at the moment is that the launch of Ethereum is less than a month away.

Ethereum (https://ethereum.org/) will arguably offer a lot more features and functionality than Crypti. With Ethereum, as far as I know of, you can use Ethereum as a platform to create virtually anything, DAC's, marketplaces, file storage networks etc. My question is how does Crypti compare to the likes of Ethereum?

When I first invested in Crypti I knew that had Crypti launched before Ethereum, with Custom Blockchains, Crypti could've attracted a lot of developer interest, however due to the massive delays that Crypti has faced, I don't see that as a possibility anymore. What is Crypti's plan currently to attract both investor and developer interest once Ethereum has launched? Becuase if Ethereum launches before Crypti, it will fill the void in the market which Crypti would've filled.

The next question then is what is Crypti's reason to exist if Ethereum launches with more features and functionality than Crypti. What does Crypti offer that Ethereum doesn't?

Hello Wulfcastle,

the development of v0.2.0 is almost complete, yes. Boris said in our meeting last weekend that this week we may open it up for our public testing routine. The testing is pretty long with v0.2.0, as we ported the whole consensus mechanism and various needed functionalities (e.g. delegate registration) from Bitshares to Javascript. This doesn't only include MUCH backend work, but also frontend.

We already start working on custom blockchains, but as this is a revolutionary process which is very hard to do, it takes its time. If it would be easy, it would be here already. Wink

At the beginning we wanted to take over a few details and functionalities from Ethereum. But as we looked more and more into their system, we see that it's not good enough for us. They have a few problems in their algorithms which will probably not end well. We will see what the time will bring, maybe they can fix the problems. The following is not to bash Ethereum, I just wrote it to show the facts. We really hope that Ethereum will work, as it will bring the whole cryptocurrency scene a level higher.

Here are a few quotes about these problems:

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On Ethereum, the backend operations are validated by all nodes on the network, meaning that a backend will always will do what its code says it does.

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The network nodes process the code that is being executed in the database and come into agreement as to what the correct state of the database is through a vote. Majority always win the vote, and nodes are incentivized to do this verification work. Voting takes place at regular particular intervals, on average every 12.7 seconds.

The contract we have written earlier will be stored in this database. Contracts are triggered and executed when they are called by users or other contracts.

If you're thinking that this necessary approach presents limits in terms of processing speed, you'd be correct. The total processing power of the Ethereum network, regardless of the number of nodes that forms it, is equal to a single smartphone from 1999. This means that you're not going to want to store megabytes of data on the Ethereum network, or render 3d graphics.

More: https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/1402/how-to-get-started-your-first-dapp-under-one-hour

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But as I wrote in a prior post of your thread, Ethereum has a fundamental error in their design—every node in the consensus network recomputes the script to verify it. That is the antithesis of decentralization. They will need centralized censorship and a script whitelist, or a cap on script computation bandwidth. No peers can opt out of that computation, so the network computation bandwidth is limited to the weakest CPU peer.

More: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=380441.msg10504974#msg10504974


Now imagine 10,000 nodes who all have to calculate and validate the same contract just to run it once. In my(!) opinion it is a waste of resources.

We had similar scaling issues with Crypti at the beginning with the Proof-of-Time algorithm, and you see how long it takes to fix such problems. So don't expect great things from Ethereum in the next month. I just installed their contracts application "Mist" and I see many "lorem ipsum" texts and just UI elements with no functionality. It just takes time to create revolutionary software like Crypti or Ethereum.

To the question what Crypti will offer if Ethereum is there. Well, first off what will Ethereum offer when Crypti is there? Wink

Crypti will offer custom blockchains, which will be maintained by a single authority (centralized) or N authorities (decentralized). The custom blockchain will have its own parameters and its own value tokens. With them you can start your own cryptocurrency, start a storage system, create a decentralized exchange between the custom blockchain tokens and much much more, we can't even imagine yet.

You have to imagine that the internet is a huge space, there is always interest for another system which is simply working. So there will always be interested developers for Crypti in the future.

I described above, that Ethereum might has a scaling problem because every node needs to validate the contract. In Crypti we don't want to go that routine. So rather to try and make revolution with unknown technology, we are focusing on facts and taking the best approaches available on the market. With the combination of these proven designs we are creating a solution that can scale to thousands of nodes in a lean and lightweight way. While supporting one of the most common languages out there, Javascript. With this solution we will not only target the financial sectors, we will be flexible enough to be applied to various other problems, for example the Internet of Things. It's market value is probably over 7 trillion dollars until 2020. (More: http://www.zdnet.com/article/internet-of-things-market-to-hit-7-1-trillion-by-2020-idc/)

In the end the market is big enough for several approaches, it's not a zero sum game. We all want to deliver a cutting edge crypto technology. No one knows yet who will be the major adoption driver, or even in which market segment the huge adoption will happen.

In a nutshell we are going to create a solution with real world applications and start our ecosystem once we hit designated milestones.

- DPOS
- VM
- CBC
- UI / AppStore
- Visual Designer

With this our marketing effort will start as well.

Thanks for that in-depth answer, Passion_ltc. In fact I wasn't even aware that Ethereum has possible sacalability issues, so thanks also for bringing that to my attention.
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March 03, 2015, 09:48:16 PM
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Let us just all hope that we will be able to withdraw our XCR soon.

Hey Passion_ltc

Is development on 0.2.0 almost complete? When will you guys start work on Custom Blockchains? I'm not trying to put pressure on you guys or spread fud etc, etc., but my real concern for XCR at the moment is that the launch of Ethereum is less than a month away.

Ethereum (https://ethereum.org/) will arguably offer a lot more features and functionality than Crypti. With Ethereum, as far as I know of, you can use Ethereum as a platform to create virtually anything, DAC's, marketplaces, file storage networks etc. My question is how does Crypti compare to the likes of Ethereum?

When I first invested in Crypti I knew that had Crypti launched before Ethereum, with Custom Blockchains, Crypti could've attracted a lot of developer interest, however due to the massive delays that Crypti has faced, I don't see that as a possibility anymore. What is Crypti's plan currently to attract both investor and developer interest once Ethereum has launched? Becuase if Ethereum launches before Crypti, it will fill the void in the market which Crypti would've filled.

The next question then is what is Crypti's reason to exist if Ethereum launches with more features and functionality than Crypti. What does Crypti offer that Ethereum doesn't?

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Thanks for that in-depth answer, Passion_ltc. In fact I wasn't even aware that Ethereum has possible sacalability issues, so thanks also for bringing that to my attention.

You are welcome! The scaling issues are concerns by myself, our developers and engineers and many capable people in the Bitcoin community. I'm not saying that it is a certainty, but a big possibility. So let's see what really is happening in a month at Ethereum. Smiley

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March 04, 2015, 12:01:00 AM
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Anyone know when bter withdraw for xcr start?
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Could be weeks.......... I am thinking that Bter's "Rebuilding the Backend" includes firing anyone that had access to the cold wallet and was then able to steal the BTC.. and then hiring all new people.

personally, I consider the XCR and BTC on Bter as lost.  I am now buying on Polo. 

I was able to get my NXT assets off of Bter, but can't even see my Crypti balance. It's odd though because I have nothing else on the exchange now and yet the listed total BTC value of my account is still positive. Perhaps reflecting my hidden XCR balance, except it's lower than it should be if it is representative of how much XCR I had on there before the hack...

Anybody know approx. how much of the coin supply was on Bter?
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March 04, 2015, 12:58:45 AM
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Anybody know approx. how much of the coin supply was on Bter?

Supposedly 60%-65% of total supply.
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March 04, 2015, 08:15:59 AM
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Anybody know approx. how much of the coin supply was on Bter?

Supposedly 60%-65% of total supply.

that is just sad.

here is a picture of supposedly bter's office, and it does not look good.



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March 04, 2015, 09:11:30 AM
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Newest tweet from Bter says, that they will allow withdrawals in one week.

https://twitter.com/btercom/status/573043042329882624

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March 04, 2015, 10:06:54 AM
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Important update regarding Bter

We have great news. Lin, the admin of Bter, wrote us and confirmed that most altcoins will be online in 1 week. He knows that there was a problem with the Crypti wallet, but with v0.1.9c we now have about 200 nodes online from all over the world. That guarantees that we have a stable client, he acknowledged this and will work hard to fix the Crypti interface at Bter. This might delay it a bit, but I'm sure we can say that Crypti withdrawals will come very soon at Bter again.

I hope that you are as happy as we are with that announcement and we want to thank Lin to handle the issues so well. In retrospect Crypti will only grow from this. Smiley

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March 04, 2015, 10:11:44 AM
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Wont believe it till I have safely transferred my Crypti out of Bter.
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March 04, 2015, 10:38:11 AM
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Important update regarding Bter

We have great news. Lin, the admin of Bter, wrote us and confirmed that most altcoins will be online in 1 week. He knows that there was a problem with the Crypti wallet, but with v0.1.9c we now have about 200 nodes online from all over the world. That guarantees that we have a stable client, he acknowledged this and will work hard to fix the Crypti interface at Bter. This might delay it a bit, but I'm sure we can say that Crypti withdrawals will come very soon at Bter again.

I hope that you are as happy as we are with that announcement and we want to thank Lin to handle the issues so well. In retrospect Crypti will only grow from this. Smiley
where to trade without bter?
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March 04, 2015, 11:07:07 AM
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Important update regarding Bter

We have great news. Lin, the admin of Bter, wrote us and confirmed that most altcoins will be online in 1 week. He knows that there was a problem with the Crypti wallet, but with v0.1.9c we now have about 200 nodes online from all over the world. That guarantees that we have a stable client, he acknowledged this and will work hard to fix the Crypti interface at Bter. This might delay it a bit, but I'm sure we can say that Crypti withdrawals will come very soon at Bter again.

I hope that you are as happy as we are with that announcement and we want to thank Lin to handle the issues so well. In retrospect Crypti will only grow from this. Smiley
where to trade without bter?

Even through Bter will also be back for trading (I believe) you can also trade at Poloniex. We will try to get other alternatives and fix the problems of Cryptsy after the v0.2.0 release.

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March 04, 2015, 02:47:02 PM
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Polo is open for trading.  I am  most active there.

Also, you can post here and trade privately with other Cryptians


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March 06, 2015, 12:48:44 AM
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Important update regarding Bter

We have great news. Lin, the admin of Bter, wrote us and confirmed that most altcoins will be online in 1 week. He knows that there was a problem with the Crypti wallet, but with v0.1.9c we now have about 200 nodes online from all over the world. That guarantees that we have a stable client, he acknowledged this and will work hard to fix the Crypti interface at Bter. This might delay it a bit, but I'm sure we can say that Crypti withdrawals will come very soon at Bter again.

I hope that you are as happy as we are with that announcement and we want to thank Lin to handle the issues so well. In retrospect Crypti will only grow from this. Smiley
where to trade without bter?

Even through Bter will also be back for trading (I believe) you can also trade at Poloniex. We will try to get other alternatives and fix the problems of Cryptsy after the v0.2.0 release.

What Max means is that we are developing a way to trade/buy/sell XCR outside of the exchanges.  If you are as tired as I am dealing with the exchanges, and their constant problems,then you would agree that we need a different way to trade crypto currencys. 

Frankly, the exchanges have the power to make or break a crypto by listing it or not.  They are also subject to hacks, insider thefts, and flat out disappearing overnight. 

Right now Bter is holding 65% of all XCR because few Cryptians withdrew their XCR due to the massive 1% IPO fee that Lin collects when XCR is removed from Bter; and due to the recent wallet upgrades that they delayed installing.  There is only 20 million XCR that is in private wallets, 11 million is in the foundation wallet, 4 million is on Polo and Cryptsy. 

Cryptsy has had the wallet in maintenance mode since September.  They have not even tried to update the wallet.

Polo was also down for a long period, and goes down for a spell every day. 

There are wonderful things coming with 0.2....... 


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March 06, 2015, 09:28:50 AM
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Important update regarding Bter

We have great news. Lin, the admin of Bter, wrote us and confirmed that most altcoins will be online in 1 week. He knows that there was a problem with the Crypti wallet, but with v0.1.9c we now have about 200 nodes online from all over the world. That guarantees that we have a stable client, he acknowledged this and will work hard to fix the Crypti interface at Bter. This might delay it a bit, but I'm sure we can say that Crypti withdrawals will come very soon at Bter again.

I hope that you are as happy as we are with that announcement and we want to thank Lin to handle the issues so well. In retrospect Crypti will only grow from this. Smiley
where to trade without bter?

Even through Bter will also be back for trading (I believe) you can also trade at Poloniex. We will try to get other alternatives and fix the problems of Cryptsy after the v0.2.0 release.

What Max means is that we are developing a way to trade/buy/sell XCR outside of the exchanges.  If you are as tired as I am dealing with the exchanges, and their constant problems,then you would agree that we need a different way to trade crypto currencys. 

Frankly, the exchanges have the power to make or break a crypto by listing it or not.  They are also subject to hacks, insider thefts, and flat out disappearing overnight. 

Right now Bter is holding 65% of all XCR because few Cryptians withdrew their XCR due to the massive 1% IPO fee that Lin collects when XCR is removed from Bter; and due to the recent wallet upgrades that they delayed installing.  There is only 20 million XCR that is in private wallets, 11 million is in the foundation wallet, 4 million is on Polo and Cryptsy. 

Cryptsy has had the wallet in maintenance mode since September.  They have not even tried to update the wallet.

Polo was also down for a long period, and goes down for a spell every day. 

There are wonderful things coming with 0.2....... 



To clarify, we are currently discussing several ways to make a BTC <-> XCR exchange possible on our custom blockchains later on. We are not actively developing something right now. Smiley

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March 06, 2015, 09:29:29 AM
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Update regarding v0.2.0

We are making good progress. You will hear more from us about this topic soon. Smiley

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March 06, 2015, 12:48:28 PM
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Update regarding v0.2.0

We are making good progress. You will hear more from us about this topic soon. Smiley

Cool  Cool Hope to see more details soon! The times of IPO prices is almost here  Roll Eyes
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March 06, 2015, 01:11:00 PM
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Update regarding v0.2.0

We are making good progress. You will hear more from us about this topic soon. Smiley
Glad to know that Crypti is making progress. Wish i could withdraw my Crypti from Bter. Smiley
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Version 0.3

Featuring a completely new Network Monitor and revised Activity Graph!

Please note, exchange rates are now sourced by default from Poloniex (for XCR/BTC) and Bitfinex for (BTC/USD).

For an extensive breakdown of the changes in this release please see:

https://github.com/karmacoma/cryptichain/releases/tag/0.3

Boris and the team are crazy busy right now working on Crypti 0.2.0. So the main explorer hosted at live.crypti.me remains at version 0.2. However, the pull request in is place and I've been informed today it will be updated very soon!

For the time being, please use my own blockchain explorer hosted at:

www.cryptichain.me

The Network Monitor and Activity Graph are located within the Tools dropdown on the right-hand side of the page.






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March 06, 2015, 11:51:45 PM
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Awesome work as always Karma! Love the network graph! Thanks again for all you do for this community!

I can't wait to cast my vote for your delegate status!

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Version 0.3

Featuring a completely new Network Monitor and revised Activity Graph!

Please note, exchange rates are now sourced by default from Poloniex (for XCR/BTC) and Bitfinex for (BTC/USD).

For an extensive breakdown of the changes in this release please see:


Very sexy! Awesome work!

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