[ANN][BURST] Burst | Efficient HDD Mining | New 1.2.3 Fork block 92000

[bitladen]

We agreed on something, bitladen

If you cared to read my post, you would see that we never have been in disagreement on that part.

[crowetic]

Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun the read heads of a large array of plotted HDDs.
-Mao Tse Tung

I'm not a miner, and not a huge holder. I never had extra TBs lying around, and it was far easier for me to spend a couple hundred bucks trading coins than spending that money plus a lot of time setting up HDDs for mining. With that being said, I agree with Haitch and luxe - threatening to destroy the system you're proposing to improve doesn't exactly provide the impetus for much faith and goodwill from the other members of the system you have designs on commandeering. Also, 10% seems like a huge amount for a dev fund, but hey, I guess ETH got away with it. I do agree something probably needs to be done, in the face of an operational system released by Siacoin (which is about to pass BURST in price per coin, btw), but I don't think it's going to accomplished by negotiating with terrorists to give them control of 10% of the money supply created from here on out and agreeing with their demands to inflate the money supply. I honestly don't have any idea what should be done at this point, but just wanted to chime in that I tend to agree with luxe and Haitch.

Negotiating with terrorists? He's a terrorist now? Because of his name? (which I have always thought /bin/laden was absolutely hilarious.)


10% may be high, easily negotiated. Also, did you not read the part about WHERE the money would go? Certainly not into his hands directly, and not into the hands of a singularly controlled account at all. So to say we're negotiating with a terrorist is pretty far fetched in almost every way.

The fact he pointed out that an attack is possible, and the fact that he will do it to prove it, does not make him a terrorist. It makes him someone who has a very straight forward way of telling everyone of a very serious potential problem. If they don't believe it is a problem, I suppose they can wait and see if it really is or not. Right?


As you say, there are other coins poised to take even more power away from BURST's network.

The main ISSUE here, is that everyone seems to agree something needs to be done, but there hasn't been a single suggestion as to WHAT, or by whom. THIS is the problem, not the fact that the person happens to be someone that the majority may not like all that much.

This is an open source project, everyone can easily look at what has been changed. Not only that, he's agreed to give his tools, miners, pools, etc, upon being accepted. So not only is he going to work for free, he is going to give tools to help the community for free as well.

Basically the only issue people have here, is his ability to prove what he is saying by actually doing it? Or is it that his name is bitladen in this community? If someone gives themselves a name like that, they couldn't possibly ever do anything that isn't terrorist like, right?

give me a break.


I would be extremely excited for an agreement with Haitch and luxe, whom I have a lot of respect for. The issue is that no one else seems to see the need for a change, and/or they haven't submitted a proposal to be looked at.

Anyone here think that I would publicly back bitladen without reason? Anyone here doubt my dedication to BURST? I even said we could implement a 'filter' for his code if people really don't trust him THAT much for whatever reason they have. Even after he releases his tools to the community. So where is the real issue here. He's kinda cocky? Yea, well, that's not something I can do much about. But the thing is, he's not cocky without reason, he's highly intelligent and capable. I prefer those types to be people working WITH me, not against me.

Do you think that if he takes over the development, that he will somehow infect everyone with a virus or something? In open source code? With a filter in place and all? Hell, I would even be willing to post the code for the entire community to review before submitting it to the main git. So what's the real issue?

[yeponlyone]

We agreed on something, bitladen

If you cared to read my post, you would see that we never have been in disagreement.

I have.

So you are ready to share some of the improved stuff you have developed if there is not a "NO" from the community?

[bitladen]

We agreed on something, bitladen

If you cared to read my post, you would see that we never have been in disagreement.

I have.

So you are ready to share some of the improved stuff you have developed if there is not a "NO" from the community?

As soon as rewards increase, I consider you my friends. Not before.

There are 2 ways to do this: make the reward changes or pump the price. That's truly up to you.

[yeponlyone]

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The main ISSUE here, is that everyone seems to agree something needs to be done, but there hasn't been a single suggestion as to WHAT, or by whom. THIS is the problem, not the fact that the person happens to be someone that the majority may not like all that much.

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Well, I did with seeking seed money But then I criticized it hehe

[bitladen]

Negotiating with terrorists? He's a terrorist now? Because of his name? (which I have always thought /bin/laden was absolutely hilarious.)

Yes, it is supposed to be hillarious. DUUUH.
and bitladen as well

Are they really that stupid that we have to explain jokes to them?

Or is it simply that they envy me for my whopping .15 btc a day. And they would pick on anything. Now that's even more pathetic.

10% may be high, easily negotiated. Also, did you not read the part about WHERE the money would go? Certainly not into his hands directly, and not into the hands of a singularly controlled account at all. So to say we're negotiating with a terrorist is pretty far fetched in almost every way.

As I pointed out earlier, its not really that high.
And let's assume we do get so big, that we are gathering millions for the dev fund. That's alright, then we can compete with big companies, and crush them.

I would love nothing more than crush google. I just was hoping you guys could help. Not now, but MAYBE ... in the future. 
Or is this also blasphemy to pick on google now?

[yeponlyone]

We agreed on something, bitladen

If you cared to read my post, you would see that we never have been in disagreement.

I have.

So you are ready to share some of the improved stuff you have developed if there is not a "NO" from the community?

As soon as rewards increase, I consider you my friends. Not before.

There are 2 ways to do this: make the reward changes or pump the price. That's truly up to you.

Did you read what I wrote? If you stand-by that position we are dead. Periods.


You must start the process to get things going.


How about that improved pool protocol, so we are leveling the playing field in that area?

[bitladen]

Did you read what I wrote? If you stand-by that position we are dead. Periods.


You must start the process to get things going.


How about that improved pool protocol, so we are leveling the playing field in that area?

You still offer me nothing. In order to change rewards, I would have to code it, in effect I will begin by offering you something. That's all I will offer for starters.

After that, you know how they say. Friends that care, share.

[yeponlyone]

Did you read what I wrote? If you stand-by that position we are dead. Periods.


You must start the process to get things going.


How about that improved pool protocol, so we are leveling the playing field in that area?

You still offer me nothing. In order to change rewards, I would have to code it, in effect I will begin by offering you something. That's all I will offer for starters.

After that, you know how they say. Friends that care, share.

That will not work. People don't work that way. I hoped you'll get that. I'm sorry I failed. It would have been nice to give it a try. Instead:


Dumpage coming up.

Who will do the clone?

[bitladen]

Who will do the clone?

I believe the question provides it's own answer.

[luxe]

Did you read what I wrote? If you stand-by that position we are dead. Periods.


You must start the process to get things going.


How about that improved pool protocol, so we are leveling the playing field in that area?

You still offer me nothing. In order to change rewards, I would have to code it, in effect I will begin by offering you something. That's all I will offer for starters.

After that, you know how they say. Friends that care, share.

Code:

    @Override
    public long getBlockReward() {
    	if(this.height == 0 || this.height >= 1944000) {
    		return 0;
    	}
    	int month = this.height / 10800;
    	long reward = BigInteger.valueOf(10000)
    			.multiply(BigInteger.valueOf(95).pow(month))
    			.divide(BigInteger.valueOf(100).pow(month)).longValue() * Constants.ONE_NXT;
    	
    	return reward;
    }

Hard work changing on line of code ... make a fork, make real improvments ... or nobody will take you serious.

[bitladen]

Did you read what I wrote? If you stand-by that position we are dead. Periods.


You must start the process to get things going.


How about that improved pool protocol, so we are leveling the playing field in that area?

You still offer me nothing. In order to change rewards, I would have to code it, in effect I will begin by offering you something. That's all I will offer for starters.

After that, you know how they say. Friends that care, share.

Code:

    @Override
    public long getBlockReward() {
    	if(this.height == 0 || this.height >= 1944000) {
    		return 0;
    	}
    	int month = this.height / 10800;
    	long reward = BigInteger.valueOf(10000)
    			.multiply(BigInteger.valueOf(95).pow(month))
    			.divide(BigInteger.valueOf(100).pow(month)).longValue() * Constants.ONE_NXT;
    	
    	return reward;
    }

Hard work changing on line of code ... make a fork, make real improvments ... or nobody will take you serious.

come now luxe, you know better than that, I said:

increase the reward, after a certain block
make further rewards proportional to difficulty.
make 10% dev donation to the specific address.

+ testing.

ok not a huge undertaking, but still not exactly just one line of code.

P.S.: you know what, you please them and work for free, that's what they want. good luck
and if 25% of the hash is not enough to be taken seriously, perhaps 51% will suffice.

[yeponlyone]

Did you read what I wrote? If you stand-by that position we are dead. Periods.


You must start the process to get things going.


How about that improved pool protocol, so we are leveling the playing field in that area?

You still offer me nothing. In order to change rewards, I would have to code it, in effect I will begin by offering you something. That's all I will offer for starters.

After that, you know how they say. Friends that care, share.

Code:

    @Override
    public long getBlockReward() {
    	if(this.height == 0 || this.height >= 1944000) {
    		return 0;
    	}
    	int month = this.height / 10800;
    	long reward = BigInteger.valueOf(10000)
    			.multiply(BigInteger.valueOf(95).pow(month))
    			.divide(BigInteger.valueOf(100).pow(month)).longValue() * Constants.ONE_NXT;
    	
    	return reward;
    }

Hard work changing on line of code ... make a fork, make real improvments ... or nobody will take you serious.

come now luxe, you know better than that, I said:

increase the reward, after a certain block
make further rewards proportional to difficulty.
make 10% dev donation to the specific address.

+ testing.

ok not a huge undertaking, but still not exactly just one line of code.

P.S.: you know what, you please them and work for free, that's what they want. good luck
and if 25% of the hash is not enough to be taken seriously, perhaps 51% will suffice.

I think there will be a fork, taking all these innovations from the last year and tweaking stuff some, before you get 51%. Is it expensive paying the bot-owners, btw? Perhaps you'll join the new coin and ease your financial situation.

[luxe]

Did you read what I wrote? If you stand-by that position we are dead. Periods.


You must start the process to get things going.


How about that improved pool protocol, so we are leveling the playing field in that area?

You still offer me nothing. In order to change rewards, I would have to code it, in effect I will begin by offering you something. That's all I will offer for starters.

After that, you know how they say. Friends that care, share.

Code:

    @Override
    public long getBlockReward() {
    	if(this.height == 0 || this.height >= 1944000) {
    		return 0;
    	}
    	int month = this.height / 10800;
    	long reward = BigInteger.valueOf(10000)
    			.multiply(BigInteger.valueOf(95).pow(month))
    			.divide(BigInteger.valueOf(100).pow(month)).longValue() * Constants.ONE_NXT;
    	
    	return reward;
    }

Hard work changing on line of code ... make a fork, make real improvments ... or nobody will take you serious.

come now luxe, you know better than that, I said:

increase the reward, after a certain block
make further rewards proportional to difficulty.
make 10% dev donation to the specific address.

+ testing.

ok not a huge undertaking, but still not exactly just one line of code.

P.S.: you know what, you please them and work for free, that's what they want. good luck
and if 25% of the hash is not enough to be taken seriously, perhaps 51% will suffice.

yes, you are right ... more than one line :-)  What i wanted to say is, that open source development does not work the way 'make me donations and i will implement a new features'.
you have to deliver first and hope that it pays out, maybe not always in money, but in reputation.

@yeponlyone i was taking about a fork on github.

[yeponlyone]

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@yeponlyone i was taking about a fork on github.

My comment was not related to yours

[bitladen]

yes, you are right ... more than one line :-)  What i wanted to say is, that open source development does not work the way 'make me donations and i will implement a new features'.
you have to deliver first and hope that it pays out, maybe not always in money, but in reputation.

@yeponlyone i was taking about a fork on github.

Yes, it's true. I never asked for money though.
On the other hand I wasn't seeking as much the reputation, but a solution to a problem both the community and myself have. crowetic even vouched for me. They will still not cooperate, then the next best thing for me is that burst dies so a proper clone can take its place.

And I am willing to provide the pool and miner code, after the reward change. But before this happens, you can see it's not in my advantage to release it. In fact the client code should be added to your miner, to be precise. Mine is dcct cpu port.

In fact they could have had it since february, but they knew better then. And still think they know better now, despite the ongoing crash, which I have predicted.

And the fact is, that I already have a reputation, about 2PB worth of it. They would expect me not to take that into account when dealing with them? How so?
Usually the coders only seek the reputation here, so people got used to this kind of humble attitude.
Not me, my interest are in mining and making a good profit. But my proposals benefits the community, not just myself, if they cannot see that, let's wait until xmas and do nothing... i guess. Though when hashrate drops more - and it will - due to the price, I will do something. It's not a threat, it's a fact.

[duncan_idaho]

bitladen - You are bluffing. That's all. I am waiting for your 51% attack   Bought some popcorn. BTW. Are you emotionally stable? Or maybe have some problem with your social life?
I don't belive you and don' care about your opinion. Today i have enogh burst to dump the price to 15 satoshi and lot off people will do the same. What about your daily earings then? Go to beer with friends (if you have any) and go out from the basement.

[bitladen]

bitladen - You are bluffing. That's all. I am waiting for your 51% attack   Bought some popcorn. BTW. Are you emotionally stable? Or maybe have some problem with your sovial life?
I don't belive you and don' care about your opinion and noone from this great community. today i have enogh burst to dump the price to 15 satoshi and lot off people will do the same. What about your daily earings then? Go to beer with friends (if you have any) and go out from the basement.

excellent, dump it to 15 satoshi.

[duncan_idaho]

Nope not yet - maybe on christmas 

[bitladen]

Nope not yet - maybe on christmas  

15 on christmas? that's wishful thinking

But let me see if I get this straight. You can dump it to 15 on c-cex? Or on all exchanges? And is that including 15 or just above?