[ANN][BURST] Burst | Efficient HDD Mining | New 1.2.3 Fork block 92000

[pinballdude]

as i understand, if bit releases a clone, the plot files can be used...

what if blago releases a minerversion, that submits the deadlines to both wallets (bursts and the clone ones) or two pools simultaneously ?

We got a dual mining coin system with zero extra costs?!

Plotfiles could be used to mine on multiple BURST clones.
But the minig itself has to be done for every clone.
Currently mined scoop and deadline depends on blocknumber and last block winner.

indeed, however having support for multiple coins in the same miner can be done, and the benefit would be that the same hdd isn't accessed simultaneously by 2 processes.

I'm no expert in GPUs, but maybe it's not ideal to run 2 GPU miners simultaneously either. Is this true?

Lol, it seems there is much support for a clone. Maybe I should just do that. Agreed?

I think that if you allow use of burstcoin plotfiles with your new coin, then you set it up to be vulnerable for a 51% attack, especially if the burstcoin miners have a lot of TB plotted. The miners of the larger coin will be able to attack the smaller coin without having to plot first.  The plotting suff makes it harder to "just" attack. So in order to protect your coin from attacks, it might be a good thing to not make burst plots usable.

on the other hand, if plots can be reused, it is somewhat easier to shift over.

If you use the same plots, then the 1.7PB you have will be able to mine new coin from day 1.  I doubt anyone hostile have that amount of plots. Most people will not 51% attack even if they have the opportunity, for them, it's the same as they won't threaten a kid to go pick them beer, just bc they could kick the kid's arse if it did not want to.

[vaxman]

I just received a message from bin/laden/ ... That needs to be leaked to burst community:

Code:

Hey! I see you mine a lot of blocks. I want to discuss something with you.
Together we can take control of the network and force them to increase our rewards.
I posted this on the forum, of course they're unhappy :)
But if we put together 51% of the hashpower it's not for them to decide.
msg me back or email: l_adenne@mail.com or XMPP: benladder@crypt.am

The words 'force them to increase our rewards' and ' it's not for them to decide' should say all about him. And some of you want that person as dev? Reconsider!

Guess same message was send to:

Code:

BURST-WDK8-EYW8-NHMQ-77777
BURST-SDAC-FFUD-SMCB-D3Q74
BURST-42JY-E6TZ-885E-AZ9HK
BURST-XNS5-62HN-J3UY-79THE
BURST-ELAL-S7GX-6ASS-4RSAM
BURST-5M3F-REHB-PWRE-6E4HP
BURST-A7NY-ESG8-9VAT-DQJVF
BURST-3N7E-CX8T-K6AM-D6Q4N

I'm quite sure that none of these accounts will support him, but would be nice if they comment in here ...

I had a short encrypted conversation on the blockchain with him in mid-June, same content.
Well, my reaction is that I just added 50 TB to my rig on Friday.
As long as power and AC supply permit I'll keep them online.

D6Q4N

[bitladen]

I think that if you allow use of burstcoin plotfiles with your new coin, then you set it up to be vulnerable for a 51% attack, especially if the burstcoin miners have a lot of TB plotted. The miners of the larger coin will be able to attack the smaller coin without having to plot first.  The plotting suff makes it harder to "just" attack. So in order to protect your coin from attacks, it might be a good thing to not make burst plots usable.

that would require the users to form an alliance otherwise the hashpower will be distributed the same way as in burst. plus that there's no single miner that can attack me. in fact there isn't any group of 5 miners that can attack me.

still if burst users could agree on that, and attack me it would be quite an achievement. no big deal for me, its brand new clone, I just make a new one.

on the other hand, if plots can be reused, it is somewhat easier to shift over.

If you use the same plots, then the 1.7PB you have will be able to mine new coin from day 1.  I doubt anyone hostile have that amount of plots. Most people will not 51% attack even if they have the opportunity, for them, it's the same as they won't threaten a kid to go pick them beer, just bc they could kick the kid's arse if it did not want to.

yea well thats the idea. plus that my coin will be able to support the growth of hashpower, due to the reward structure.

[bitladen]

I had a short encrypted conversation on the blockchain with him in mid-June, same content.
Well, my reaction is that I just added 50 TB to my rig on Friday.
As long as power and AC supply permit I'll keep them online.

D6Q4N

yep. I'm not sure if you realize, if we form a 51% alliance, we effectively double our rewards. as in with 51% of the hashpower we get all blocks, instead of just 51%

[jwinterm]

I think that if you allow use of burstcoin plotfiles with your new coin...

yea well thats the idea. plus that my coin will be able to support the growth of hashpower, due to the reward structure.

Interesting idea, to have the first "merge-mined" PoC coin (also only the second PoC coin, afaik). I wouldn't expect reward structure or any other coin specification to draw more people to the clone though; have you ever seen a merge-mined coin surpass the parent, so to speak?

[bitladen]

Interesting idea, to have the first "merge-mined" PoC coin (also only the second PoC coin, afaik). I wouldn't expect reward structure or any other coin specification to draw more people to the clone though; have you ever seen a merge-mined coin surpass the parent, so to speak?

With the way burst market is going, it wouldn't be too hard. usually merged mining is done against strong coins

[vaxman]

I had a short encrypted conversation on the blockchain with him in mid-June, same content.
Well, my reaction is that I just added 50 TB to my rig on Friday.
As long as power and AC supply permit I'll keep them online.

D6Q4N

yep. I'm not sure if you realize, if we form a 51% alliance, we effectively double our rewards.
as in with 51% of the hashpower we get all blocks, instead of just 51%

You see, I'm not in this to get out the maximum possible amount of coins. I want this coin to succeed,
I want to see services, external use of this thing.  I have the impression that your plan might hurt the
longterm prospects, therefore we're not in the same boat.

[bitladen]

I had a short encrypted conversation on the blockchain with him in mid-June, same content.
Well, my reaction is that I just added 50 TB to my rig on Friday.
As long as power and AC supply permit I'll keep them online.

D6Q4N

yep. I'm not sure if you realize, if we form a 51% alliance, we effectively double our rewards.
as in with 51% of the hashpower we get all blocks, instead of just 51%

You see, I'm not in this to get out the maximum possible amount of coins. I want this coin to succeed,
I want to see services, external use of this thing.  I have the impression that your plan hurts the longterm
prospects, therefore we're not in the same boat.

that's alright, can't hurt that I asked though, right?
and there's the fact that I think your strategy is self defeating in the long run. but you don't have to agree.
i'm just saying.
listen or not, its up to you.

[vaxman]

that's alright, can't hurt that I asked though, right?

no hard feelings.
Other than the usual childish nagging on this forum your posts where at least insightful, inspiring and open. Mostly.

I don't see you as the evil attacker/extortioner, a 51% attack is just a real thing we have to deal with.

I didn't see this coming and was very surprised that someone has access to nearly 2PB "cheap".
Just guessing here, but I don't believe you're paying standard market rates for those - but you
already told us not to ask, OK.

[bitladen]

that's alright, can't hurt that I asked though, right?

no hard feelings.
Other than the usual childish nagging on this forum your posts where at least insightful, inspiring and open. Mostly.

I don't see you as the evil attacker/extortioner, a 51% attack is just a real thing we have to deal with.
I was very surprised that someone has access to nearly 2PB "cheap". Just guessing here, but I don't
believe you're paying standard market rates for those.

Well, allow me to retort, you have quite some hashpower yourself, where's that coming from? I guess you're not paying standard market rates. Or you're crazier than I am.

But all I'm saying is: burst hashpower is low. Get more hashpower!
And the only reasonable way to get it that I can think of is by increasing the rewards ( reward increase or price increase ). Surely at least price increase would benefit all the holders, yet they don't seem to care. No way of doing that without pumping, why don't they form an alliance of their own, and act together to pump it?

In any case, I see support for my future clone. I will do that.
But be assured, if you allow the hashrate to drop to the point where I have 51% I feel obligated to attack. No hard feelings.

[haitch]

that's alright, can't hurt that I asked though, right?

no hard feelings.
Other than the usual childish nagging on this forum your posts where at least insightful, inspiring and open. Mostly.

I don't see you as the evil attacker/extortioner, a 51% attack is just a real thing we have to deal with.

I didn't see this coming and was very surprised that someone has access to nearly 2PB "cheap".
Just guessing here, but I don't believe you're paying standard market rates for those - but you
already told us not to ask, OK.

He doesn't have access to "cheap" 2PB - he has access to free 2PB - he's running a botnet. He has 2PB of unwitting, unknowing, miners mining for him.

[vaxman]

He doesn't have access to "cheap" 2PB - he has access to free 2PB - he's running a botnet. He has 2PB of unwitting, unknowing, miners mining for him.

Is there any indication of a botnet of usurped machines ?
Do you have proof or are you just painting in vivid colours here ?


If this was a botnet (unknowing victims) this would constitute a criminal offence on various levels,
at least in my jurisdiction. So, is there anything besides chatter that supports your allegation ?

[bitladen]

He doesn't have access to "cheap" 2PB - he has access to free 2PB - he's running a botnet. He has 2PB of unwitting, unknowing, miners mining for him.

Is there any indication of a botnet of usurped machines ?
Do you have proof or are you just painting in vivid colours here ?

Last I've checked botnets were illegal. I would never engage in illegal activities.
It seems to that haitch is the one with no proof here

[haitch]

He doesn't have access to "cheap" 2PB - he has access to free 2PB - he's running a botnet. He has 2PB of unwitting, unknowing, miners mining for him.

Is there any indication of a botnet of usurped machines ?
Do you have proof or are you just painting in vivid colours here ?


If this was a botnet (unknowing victims) this would constitute a criminal offence on various levels,
at least in my jurisdiction. So, is there anything besides chatter that supports your allegation ?

He stated that he did - don't recall if it was here or in IRC, but he said he had it.

[bitladen]

He doesn't have access to "cheap" 2PB - he has access to free 2PB - he's running a botnet. He has 2PB of unwitting, unknowing, miners mining for him.

Is there any indication of a botnet of usurped machines ?
Do you have proof or are you just painting in vivid colours here ?


If this was a botnet (unknowing victims) this would constitute a criminal offence on various levels,
at least in my jurisdiction. So, is there anything besides chatter that supports your allegation ?

He stated that he did - don't recall if it was here or in IRC, but he said he had it.

and is that a fact?
as I recall you said you are involved in child pornography. is that a fact?
perhaps that's why you really have 90TB of disk space laying around.

[haitch]

He doesn't have access to "cheap" 2PB - he has access to free 2PB - he's running a botnet. He has 2PB of unwitting, unknowing, miners mining for him.

Is there any indication of a botnet of usurped machines ?
Do you have proof or are you just painting in vivid colours here ?


If this was a botnet (unknowing victims) this would constitute a criminal offence on various levels,
at least in my jurisdiction. So, is there anything besides chatter that supports your allegation ?

He stated that he did - don't recall if it was here or in IRC, but he said he had it.

and is that a fact?
as I recall you said you are involved in child pornography. is that a fact?

Very funny, not.

btw - I found the conversation where I was told your botnet had harvested 6 million verified email addresses.

[bitladen]

He doesn't have access to "cheap" 2PB - he has access to free 2PB - he's running a botnet. He has 2PB of unwitting, unknowing, miners mining for him.

Is there any indication of a botnet of usurped machines ?
Do you have proof or are you just painting in vivid colours here ?


If this was a botnet (unknowing victims) this would constitute a criminal offence on various levels,
at least in my jurisdiction. So, is there anything besides chatter that supports your allegation ?

He stated that he did - don't recall if it was here or in IRC, but he said he had it.

and is that a fact?
as I recall you said you are involved in child pornography. is that a fact?

Very funny, not.

btw - I found the conversation where I was told your botnet had harvested 6 million verified email addresses.

that's funny because I found the logs where you told me about your child porn enterprises.

[vaxman]

He doesn't have access to "cheap" 2PB - he has access to free 2PB - he's running a botnet. He has 2PB of unwitting, unknowing, miners mining for him.

Is there any indication of a botnet of usurped machines ?
Do you have proof or are you just painting in vivid colours here ?
If this was a botnet (unknowing victims) this would constitute a criminal offence on various levels,
at least in my jurisdiction. So, is there anything besides chatter that supports your allegation ?

He stated that he did - don't recall if it was here or in IRC, but he said he had it.

and is that a fact?
as I recall you said you are involved in child pornography. is that a fact?

Very funny, not.
btw - I found the conversation where I was told your botnet had harvested 6 million verified email addresses.

that's funny because I found the logs where you told me about your child porn enterprises.

Welcome to our little internet forum, the place where any discussion ends in thought-terminating clichés.
I'll leave for today, nothing interesting here.

[wmikrut]

So I've had to catch up for three pages... we're talking about a Burst clone, that can mine on Burst and the new coin with the same plot files?
SIGN ME UP YESTERDAY!!!!

[bitladen]

So I've had to catch up for three pages... we're talking about a Burst clone, that can mine on Burst and the new coin with the same plot files?
SIGN ME UP YESTERDAY!!!!

correct.
I will announce with a few days in advance before I launch anything.
but in any case, my coin will not reward the first miners any better than the ones who join later.
and will encourage dumping, reward structure being inflationary, block reward being proportional to difficulty.

my theory is that this coin, and many other altcoins die because everybody holds. am I right or wrong, we will see, but it won't cost anything extra to mine it.

Thus far burst is crashing, that part we can all see   I've said this in march, when the price was 170 sat, so far I've only been proven correct.