[ANN][BURST] Burst | Efficient HDD Mining | New 1.2.3 Fork block 92000

[pinballdude]

I'm running quite a few Seagate 4 and 5 TB external drives, been running quite a while without issue.

I bought them because the price was right  . As far as I can tell BURST has done zero damage to them.


Everything is still running exactly the way it should be.

I also buy the cheapest ones. I have had drives fail from time to time, but it seems to be different over time, what company make the bad batches, hard to predict, almost all my drives have lasted long enough to become too small so i replace them with larger ones bf they go R.I.P. I'd guess my average drive lasts 5 to 7 yrs bf i discard it for being too small.

[pinballdude]

I'm running quite a few Seagate 4 and 5 TB external drives, been running quite a while without issue.

I bought them because the price was right  . As far as I can tell BURST has done zero damage to them.


Everything is still running exactly the way it should be.

I bought recently four 8TB HDD of Segate. One was broken directly, one has displayed an error after about four weeks in RAID.
Two and a exchanged run until now well so far.

The super cheap "archive" drives must be used with some care.  I have found that if you throw too much data at them too fast, then they totally freeze up, sometimes crashing windows 10 along with themselves. They can go silent and not show up in disk manager for hours if they first get stressed out. Not sure if it is thermal or cache/firmware issues or both.

in any way, if i don't push data to them too hard ( no copy these 4TB plots onto this 8TB drive kinda operations )  then they work just fine..  i use the free program FastCopy to copy stuff in a slow pace onto the drives ( fastcopy can be set up to run at reduced speed, i use 50% setting)

when an archive drive has been stressed to become unstable, even reading from it is a bitch, it cannot sustain any kind of reasonable transfer rate.. but if you keep it on for some hours or longer, it tend to sort itself out again. Also filling the drive up completely seems to make it go berserk.

Haven't tried to have burst plots on archive drives, but i guess it will be allright perhaps as long as you leave some room on the drive to make the firmware happy.  Don't copy your plots over at full speed though, they choke on 100 mb/s for more than 20-40GB at a time.  If you copy slowly ( using fastcopy or similar ) you can copy hundreds of MB wo issues

With small chunks of data ( 5-10 MB ) you can copy as fast as the SATA allows you to, they are fine with that.  As I understand it, they use part of the platters for intermediate storage, and as long as you don't fill that up, they are pretty fast.

[pinballdude]

I just solo mined my burstcoin # 4 million.. hooray for me and my trusty drives ;-)

[pinballdude]

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if you place top-25 in the weekly ranking list (free to play game) at www.betonfinance.com then when you mail with the admin to claim winnings, add your burst addresss and a note to the admin staff to ask Dennis to pay burst bounty, i will send you 10000 burst as an extra prize.

This will last until i decide it is too expensive ;-)

tnx for trying out our game - feedback is welcome, we're learning.

[kleinstein]

I'm running quite a few Seagate 4 and 5 TB external drives, been running quite a while without issue.

I bought them because the price was right  . As far as I can tell BURST has done zero damage to them.


Everything is still running exactly the way it should be.

I bought recently four 8TB HDD of Segate. One was broken directly, one has displayed an error after about four weeks in RAID.
Two and a exchanged run until now well so far.

The super cheap "archive" drives must be used with some care.  I have found that if you throw too much data at them too fast, then they totally freeze up, sometimes crashing windows 10 along with themselves. They can go silent and not show up in disk manager for hours if they first get stressed out. Not sure if it is thermal or cache/firmware issues or both.

in any way, if i don't push data to them too hard ( no copy these 4TB plots onto this 8TB drive kinda operations )  then they work just fine..  i use the free program FastCopy to copy stuff in a slow pace onto the drives ( fastcopy can be set up to run at reduced speed, i use 50% setting)

when an archive drive has been stressed to become unstable, even reading from it is a bitch, it cannot sustain any kind of reasonable transfer rate.. but if you keep it on for some hours or longer, it tend to sort itself out again. Also filling the drive up completely seems to make it go berserk.

Haven't tried to have burst plots on archive drives, but i guess it will be allright perhaps as long as you leave some room on the drive to make the firmware happy.  Don't copy your plots over at full speed though, they choke on 100 mb/s for more than 20-40GB at a time.  If you copy slowly ( using fastcopy or similar ) you can copy hundreds of MB wo issues

With small chunks of data ( 5-10 MB ) you can copy as fast as the SATA allows you to, they are fine with that.  As I understand it, they use part of the platters for intermediate storage, and as long as you don't fill that up, they are pretty fast.

It was the archive one.
But the first drive was broken on first connection, so there wasn't a fault on my side.
The second drive was broken after a short power cut (but there wasn't any writeoperation active at this moment).

I never hab problems while writing to this disks, as long as you consider that these hard drives, because of the technology, are a bit slower at writing than conventional drives.

[Elmit]

Looking at my wallet I see at the right side:

Recent Blocks
Height   Date   Amount + Fee   # TX
146998   9/26/2015 22:44:25   3'338.41831589 + 13        13
146997   9/26/2015 22:37:45   0 + 0   0
146996   9/26/2015 22:37:38   0 + 0   0
146995   9/26/2015 22:34:39   4'498.26915206 + 8       8
146994   9/26/2015 22:30:17   1 + 1   1
146993   9/26/2015 22:28:41   6'382.35132008 + 14        14
146992   9/26/2015 22:25:39   0 + 0   0
146991   9/26/2015 22:25:29   0 + 0   0
146990   9/26/2015 22:23:26   0 + 0   0
146989   9/26/2015 22:15:02   0.00000001 + 1       1

Can anybody explain what are "Amount + Fee" and "# TX" represent?

[jwinterm]

Looking at my wallet I see at the right side:

Recent Blocks
Height   Date   Amount + Fee   # TX
146998   9/26/2015 22:44:25   3'338.41831589 + 13        13
146997   9/26/2015 22:37:45   0 + 0   0
146996   9/26/2015 22:37:38   0 + 0   0
146995   9/26/2015 22:34:39   4'498.26915206 + 8       8
146994   9/26/2015 22:30:17   1 + 1   1
146993   9/26/2015 22:28:41   6'382.35132008 + 14        14
146992   9/26/2015 22:25:39   0 + 0   0
146991   9/26/2015 22:25:29   0 + 0   0
146990   9/26/2015 22:23:26   0 + 0   0
146989   9/26/2015 22:15:02   0.00000001 + 1       1

Can anybody explain what are "Amount + Fee" and "# TX" represent?

I don't even load the wallet more than once every few months at most, but I'm 99% sure amount + fee represents the amount of burst being transferred in that block, fee is the total amount of fees the miner would collect, and # TX is the number of transactions in that block. Aren't you supposed to be like a BURST expert, Elmit? How the hell do you not know this? Is this a trick question? Am I taking crazy pills right now?!

[BurstIncomeAsset]

The BURST price can really use a pump now, the price is pretty low and it won't stay this low for long time because after we will get more projects on the start, it will start to rush up.

Any plans to promote BURST? I got one if anybody is interested, and it doesn't cost anybody anything.

I'm still on the boat , so I'm interested in...

Very simple.

1) Put BURST & this thread in your personal space below the avatar, and in your signature, with link to this thread.
2) Put a BURST picture as your profile picture
3) Post in different threads too. I noticed that people who post here only post here, they should post in other threads too, with 1) and 2) setup, so that you can promote burst
4) Talk in other threads about BURST, like many cryptocurrency threads.


Do all of them from 1-4, and BURST will have more users. It's free, and it's effective.

[callmejack]

I'm running quite a few Seagate 4 and 5 TB external drives, been running quite a while without issue.

I bought them because the price was right  . As far as I can tell BURST has done zero damage to them.


Everything is still running exactly the way it should be.

I bought recently four 8TB HDD of Segate. One was broken directly, one has displayed an error after about four weeks in RAID.
Two and a exchanged run until now well so far.

The super cheap "archive" drives must be used with some care.  I have found that if you throw too much data at them too fast, then they totally freeze up, sometimes crashing windows 10 along with themselves. They can go silent and not show up in disk manager for hours if they first get stressed out. Not sure if it is thermal or cache/firmware issues or both.

in any way, if i don't push data to them too hard ( no copy these 4TB plots onto this 8TB drive kinda operations )  then they work just fine..  i use the free program FastCopy to copy stuff in a slow pace onto the drives ( fastcopy can be set up to run at reduced speed, i use 50% setting)

when an archive drive has been stressed to become unstable, even reading from it is a bitch, it cannot sustain any kind of reasonable transfer rate.. but if you keep it on for some hours or longer, it tend to sort itself out again. Also filling the drive up completely seems to make it go berserk.

Haven't tried to have burst plots on archive drives, but i guess it will be allright perhaps as long as you leave some room on the drive to make the firmware happy.  Don't copy your plots over at full speed though, they choke on 100 mb/s for more than 20-40GB at a time.  If you copy slowly ( using fastcopy or similar ) you can copy hundreds of MB wo issues

With small chunks of data ( 5-10 MB ) you can copy as fast as the SATA allows you to, they are fine with that.  As I understand it, they use part of the platters for intermediate storage, and as long as you don't fill that up, they are pretty fast.

It was the archive one.
But the first drive was broken on first connection, so there wasn't a fault on my side.
The second drive was broken after a short power cut (but there wasn't any writeoperation active at this moment).

I never hab problems while writing to this disks, as long as you consider that these hard drives, because of the technology, are a bit slower at writing than conventional drives.

the archive drives use firmware controlled smr tech. simply explained during the write operations already written blocks get "rewritten" which requires some additional time for the drive to complete.
this is required due to the higher density which brings greater read performance. during tests with twelve drives in a raid i experienced kernel timeouts on almost any write load.
even a simple mirror had worse performance due to "synchronized" writes on two drives (the md driver waited for both drives to become ready again).
the best setup with continous write performance of around 80mb/s i archive with glusterfs which has each drive configured as own brick.
within the smart settings those drives dont offer much settings to gain better performance. once the data is written to it it may be a good thing to put them with the smart controls into a read only drive.
this prevents the os to update metadata on the drive and may have internal affords which hits the performance in a positive way hard.

[Elmit]

Looking at my wallet I see at the right side:

Recent Blocks
Height   Date   Amount + Fee   # TX
146998   9/26/2015 22:44:25   3'338.41831589 + 13        13
146997   9/26/2015 22:37:45   0 + 0   0
146996   9/26/2015 22:37:38   0 + 0   0
146995   9/26/2015 22:34:39   4'498.26915206 + 8       8
146994   9/26/2015 22:30:17   1 + 1   1
146993   9/26/2015 22:28:41   6'382.35132008 + 14        14
146992   9/26/2015 22:25:39   0 + 0   0
146991   9/26/2015 22:25:29   0 + 0   0
146990   9/26/2015 22:23:26   0 + 0   0
146989   9/26/2015 22:15:02   0.00000001 + 1       1

Can anybody explain what are "Amount + Fee" and "# TX" represent?

I don't even load the wallet more than once every few months at most, but I'm 99% sure amount + fee represents the amount of burst being transferred in that block, fee is the total amount of fees the miner would collect, and # TX is the number of transactions in that block. Aren't you supposed to be like a BURST expert, Elmit? How the hell do you not know this? Is this a trick question? Am I taking crazy pills right now?!

That's is what makes this thread so exciting.
I could not spot the answer to my question, but insult = the best advertisement for BURSTs, right?
So, newcomers will know to stay away from this coins, because asking anything will bring up such "non-answers".
It is not a shame NOT to know it, but then just keep your "non-answer" for yourself and let people talk who might know the answer.

So, you do not even load the wallet anymore. Means you gave up mining, give up using BURSTs, ...., or you are not interested anymore in the balance, or is it just, that you do not know what you see there?

Now, explain me the details to it:
What means 0+0, 1+1, ...

Does these now more frequently "0+0" mean, that the coin is used less and less?

Do you want to say that you bought "crazy pills" with BURSTs?

Code:

Pool Statistics
Current time: 2015-09-26 23:28:28 UTC
Block: 147,123
Difficulty: 5,612
Est. Networksize (PB): 5.8842981432422

BURST.MiningHere.com
Pool balance: 78,346
Registered Miners: 537

burst.ninja
Pool balance: 21,574
Registered Miners: 419

burst.poolto.be
Pool balance: 315
Registered Miners: 259

cryptomining.farm
Pool balance: 129,201
Registered Miners: 1,601

DevPool v2
Pool balance: 600,937
Registered Miners: 558

mining.tompool.org
Pool balance: 270
Registered Miners: 58

pool.blago
Pool balance: 612
Registered Miners: 116

pool.burstcoin.de
Pool balance: 25,965
Registered Miners: 124

pool.burstcoin.it
Pool balance: 37
Registered Miners: 58

[Elmit]

The BURST price can really use a pump now, the price is pretty low and it won't stay this low for long time because after we will get more projects on the start, it will start to rush up.

Any plans to promote BURST? I got one if anybody is interested, and it doesn't cost anybody anything.

I'm still on the boat , so I'm interested in...

Very simple.

1) Put BURST & this thread in your personal space below the avatar, and in your signature, with link to this thread.
2) Put a BURST picture as your profile picture
3) Post in different threads too. I noticed that people who post here only post here, they should post in other threads too, with 1) and 2) setup, so that you can promote burst
4) Talk in other threads about BURST, like many cryptocurrency threads.


Do all of them from 1-4, and BURST will have more users. It's free, and it's effective.

The BURST community would need a educational pump first. See just the message before this one. With insults you do not win people. You only make them go away.

[atomy1world]

Looking at my wallet I see at the right side:

Recent Blocks
Height   Date   Amount + Fee   # TX
146998   9/26/2015 22:44:25   3'338.41831589 + 13        13
146997   9/26/2015 22:37:45   0 + 0   0
146996   9/26/2015 22:37:38   0 + 0   0
146995   9/26/2015 22:34:39   4'498.26915206 + 8       8
146994   9/26/2015 22:30:17   1 + 1   1
146993   9/26/2015 22:28:41   6'382.35132008 + 14        14
146992   9/26/2015 22:25:39   0 + 0   0
146991   9/26/2015 22:25:29   0 + 0   0
146990   9/26/2015 22:23:26   0 + 0   0
146989   9/26/2015 22:15:02   0.00000001 + 1       1

Can anybody explain what are "Amount + Fee" and "# TX" represent?

I don't even load the wallet more than once every few months at most, but I'm 99% sure amount + fee represents the amount of burst being transferred in that block, fee is the total amount of fees the miner would collect, and # TX is the number of transactions in that block. Aren't you supposed to be like a BURST expert, Elmit? How the hell do you not know this? Is this a trick question? Am I taking crazy pills right now?!

More details please.

[BurstIncomeAsset]

The BURST community would need a educational pump first. See just the message before this one. With insults you do not win people. You only make them go away.

Well i`d leave the public relations to more veteran people than myself. I was just suggesting that a small promotional trick like that could bring more users here.



We are now ready to expand the INCOME fund, I will start the NXT branch of it tomorrow after I downloaded the full blockchain (it might take some time). After we hit NXT, expect the fund to grow faster, I`ve already contacted some asset managers from NXT that would be happy to invest in us.

[jwinterm]

Looking at my wallet I see at the right side:

Recent Blocks
Height   Date   Amount + Fee   # TX
146998   9/26/2015 22:44:25   3'338.41831589 + 13        13
146997   9/26/2015 22:37:45   0 + 0   0
146996   9/26/2015 22:37:38   0 + 0   0
146995   9/26/2015 22:34:39   4'498.26915206 + 8       8
146994   9/26/2015 22:30:17   1 + 1   1
146993   9/26/2015 22:28:41   6'382.35132008 + 14        14
146992   9/26/2015 22:25:39   0 + 0   0
146991   9/26/2015 22:25:29   0 + 0   0
146990   9/26/2015 22:23:26   0 + 0   0
146989   9/26/2015 22:15:02   0.00000001 + 1       1

Can anybody explain what are "Amount + Fee" and "# TX" represent?

I don't even load the wallet more than once every few months at most, but I'm 99% sure amount + fee represents the amount of burst being transferred in that block, fee is the total amount of fees the miner would collect, and # TX is the number of transactions in that block. Aren't you supposed to be like a BURST expert, Elmit? How the hell do you not know this? Is this a trick question? Am I taking crazy pills right now?!

That's is what makes this thread so exciting.
I could not spot the answer to my question, but insult = the best advertisement for BURSTs, right?
So, newcomers will know to stay away from this coins, because asking anything will bring up such "non-answers".
It is not a shame NOT to know it, but then just keep your "non-answer" for yourself and let people talk who might know the answer.

So, you do not even load the wallet anymore. Means you gave up mining, give up using BURSTs, ...., or you are not interested anymore in the balance, or is it just, that you do not know what you see there?

Now, explain me the details to it:
What means 0+0, 1+1, ...

Does these now more frequently "0+0" mean, that the coin is used less and less?

Do you want to say that you bought "crazy pills" with BURSTs?

...

I never mined BURST, I just like the idea of a NXT clone with a quasi-PoW distribution, so I only sync my wallet occasionally.

Sorry, I didn't mean to insult you, but this is pretty basic stuff, and you do purport to be a kind of high level BURST user running a pool and issuing assets and stuff.

0+0 means there are 0 BURST included as transactions in the block with 0 BURST in fees. 1+1 would mean that there is 1 BURST in the block with 1 BURST in tx fees.

If you see 0+0 more frequently, then yes, that means there are fewer transactions on the network.

I wish I could buy some crazy pills with BURST, did someone list them on the marketplace?

[Merick]

Looking at my wallet I see at the right side:

Recent Blocks
Height   Date   Amount + Fee   # TX
146998   9/26/2015 22:44:25   3'338.41831589 + 13        13
146997   9/26/2015 22:37:45   0 + 0   0
146996   9/26/2015 22:37:38   0 + 0   0
146995   9/26/2015 22:34:39   4'498.26915206 + 8       8
146994   9/26/2015 22:30:17   1 + 1   1
146993   9/26/2015 22:28:41   6'382.35132008 + 14        14
146992   9/26/2015 22:25:39   0 + 0   0
146991   9/26/2015 22:25:29   0 + 0   0
146990   9/26/2015 22:23:26   0 + 0   0
146989   9/26/2015 22:15:02   0.00000001 + 1       1

Can anybody explain what are "Amount + Fee" and "# TX" represent?

I don't even load the wallet more than once every few months at most, but I'm 99% sure amount + fee represents the amount of burst being transferred in that block, fee is the total amount of fees the miner would collect, and # TX is the number of transactions in that block. Aren't you supposed to be like a BURST expert, Elmit? How the hell do you not know this? Is this a trick question? Am I taking crazy pills right now?!

More details please.

0 + 0 = Block Reward that contains no actual coin movement transactions and no fees hence 0+0 -> http://burstcoin.biz/block/18222497988761196557

924.59 + 3 = Transaction that contained 924.59 total burst with 3 burst in transaction fees --> http://burstcoin.biz/block/1295872611599758289

1 + 1 = Transaction were 1 burst was moved with a 1 burst transaction fee --> http://burstcoin.biz/block/9303499655229736371

X + Y

X = Total Burst contained in the transaction
Y = Total fees attached to that transaction

0+0 is a special case, a block was found but there were no transactions to record within that block

Lets look at Block

147131 http://burstcoin.biz/block/18222497988761196557
or
14134 http://burstcoin.biz/block/15261602898072851657

These look like blocks that were solved but there were not any actual transactions to record during that block reward time period.  147131 is solo mined, 14134 is pool mined, and found on the Burst.ninja pool.  If you dig into the block chain a little deeper you can probably find when Burst.ninja actual made payments its miners for this block, and those payments would be on a block with an X + Y type identifier were X & Y !=0.  The act of paying the miners requires a transaction to be recorded.

A 0 + 1 type identifier is probably a message, reward recipient change or some other utility that requires a fee but no transaction payload.

Happy Bursting

[yeponlyone]

Is it possible to re-code Burst's marketplace into something like this: https://cryptothrift.com

Compared to Burst's, they look attractive. They even claim to have escrow (and offer... pictures!). If possible, do Burst have any qualified coders to be inspired by them but adding AT...?

[Elmit]

Looking at my wallet I see at the right side:

Recent Blocks
Height   Date   Amount + Fee   # TX
146998   9/26/2015 22:44:25   3'338.41831589 + 13        13
146997   9/26/2015 22:37:45   0 + 0   0
146996   9/26/2015 22:37:38   0 + 0   0
146995   9/26/2015 22:34:39   4'498.26915206 + 8       8
146994   9/26/2015 22:30:17   1 + 1   1
146993   9/26/2015 22:28:41   6'382.35132008 + 14        14
146992   9/26/2015 22:25:39   0 + 0   0
146991   9/26/2015 22:25:29   0 + 0   0
146990   9/26/2015 22:23:26   0 + 0   0
146989   9/26/2015 22:15:02   0.00000001 + 1       1

Can anybody explain what are "Amount + Fee" and "# TX" represent?

I don't even load the wallet more than once every few months at most, but I'm 99% sure amount + fee represents the amount of burst being transferred in that block, fee is the total amount of fees the miner would collect, and # TX is the number of transactions in that block. Aren't you supposed to be like a BURST expert, Elmit? How the hell do you not know this? Is this a trick question? Am I taking crazy pills right now?!

More details please.

0 + 0 = Block Reward that contains no actual coin movement transactions and no fees hence 0+0 -> http://burstcoin.biz/block/18222497988761196557

924.59 + 3 = Transaction that contained 924.59 total burst with 3 burst in transaction fees --> http://burstcoin.biz/block/1295872611599758289

1 + 1 = Transaction were 1 burst was moved with a 1 burst transaction fee --> http://burstcoin.biz/block/9303499655229736371

X + Y

X = Total Burst contained in the transaction
Y = Total fees attached to that transaction

0+0 is a special case, a block was found but there were no transactions to record within that block

Lets look at Block

147131 http://burstcoin.biz/block/18222497988761196557
or
14134 http://burstcoin.biz/block/15261602898072851657

These look like blocks that were solved but there were not any actual transactions to record during that block reward time period.  147131 is solo mined, 14134 is pool mined, and found on the Burst.ninja pool.  If you dig into the block chain a little deeper you can probably find when Burst.ninja actual made payments its miners for this block, and those payments would be on a block with an X + Y type identifier were X & Y !=0.  The act of paying the miners requires a transaction to be recorded.

A 0 + 1 type identifier is probably a message, reward recipient change or some other utility that requires a fee but no transaction payload.

Happy Bursting

thank you for your explanation.
I guess the 0+1 could be also a message.
In these 10 blocks were only 37 BURSTs transaction fee. As I understand would that be the fee - or ONLY rewards for the miners, when all coins are mined.
That is pretty low!!!

When I looked before at the right side of the wallet, I thought that the reward is also included, ... seeing now more 0 made me wondering.

[Elmit]

A funny faucet story:

Somebody, not named here, but you can guess it, created a brand new Twitter account with the user name "ElmitIsAThief" - That already says who it is.

He needed an email account for that as well. Twitter does not accept an already used email account.

He gained 4 BURSTs !!!! - makes me laugh even more!

I assume to create, verify an email / Twitter account takes 2 minutes.

He followed the instruction to post on this Twitter account the message:
#MiningHere Thank you for giving me free BURSTs to mine at: burst . mininghere . com *BURST-FRDZ-SDVY-RQND-DV6UH
... which is seen by exactly ZERO followers!!!!

If he would have used the same BURST address in the faucet again, he would have seen the message:

Congratulations!
BURST-FRDZ-SDVY-RQND-DV6UH has received 4 BURSTs at 2015-09-25 12:55:16
See details:  https://block.burstcoin.info/tx.php?tx=254234699468028181

If you want to solve the puzzle (and could not guess by now who it might have been), click the link, to know WHO got a "salary" of 4 BURSTs / 2 minutes
which is at the current rate of 0.06539963 US$ per 1000 BURSTs and a monthly working hour of 170 hours:

4 x 60/2 x 170 x 0.06539963/1000 = 0.019619889 US$ /month

Congratulations!!! You made my day!!!

[yeponlyone]

A funny faucet story:

Somebody, not named here, but you can guess it, created a brand new Twitter account with the user name "ElmitIsAThief" - That already says who it is.

What on earth and in space make you think other people are interested of this not-funny faucet story at all...? And there are no "ElmitIsAThief" account registered.

Take meds. Get help.

[Elmit]

A funny faucet story:

Somebody, not named here, but you can guess it, created a brand new Twitter account with the user name "ElmitIsAThief" - That already says who it is.

What on earth and in space make you think other people are interested of this not-funny faucet story at all...? And there are no "ElmitIsAThief" account registered.

Take meds. Get help.

(your quote updated:)

What on earth and in space make you think other people are interested of this comment at all...? And there is a "ElmitIsAThief" account registered:

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&q=ElmitIsAThief&src=typd

Take meds. Get help.