[ANN][BURST] Burst | Efficient HDD Mining | New 1.2.3 Fork block 92000

[Lenore]

Any guides or info on what the hell a deadline actually is?

Been mining over at burst ninja and been getting paid out wonderfully.  1.6TB is all I'm using for now.

Anyways,

Info on what nounces are, and what a deadline is.   Compared to mining other coins.  You always hear about shares and such.  How is the terminology and how are shares considered with burst?

[Lenore]

oh and to the above comment.   What are the time in shares like 12days 6days and so on.

[FrilledShark]

Any guides or info on what the hell a deadline actually is?

Been mining over at burst ninja and been getting paid out wonderfully.  1.6TB is all I'm using for now.

Anyways,

Info on what nounces are, and what a deadline is.   Compared to mining other coins.  You always hear about shares and such.  How is the terminology and how are shares considered with burst?

A deadline is the time it would take you to find the next block.
If you mine at a pool, you will get a part of the profit from the pool if the pool finds a block, this profit depends on your deadline. If you submit a better deadline you will get a higher % of the rewards from the block. Some pools favor small deadline and pools that favor all deadlines. The reason behind pools favoring different deadlines is that every deadline after the best will be thrown away.
Nothing is going on in the background like bitcoin mining, there is nothing likes shares for Burst only deadlines. So technically, after you have posted your deadline, you can shutdown your computer and wait for the next block. If you do this you still have to turn it on to post your next deadline. This ensures that HHDs get less used and can run for longer.

If you think about this as a race, you have a deadline for the time it take you to get to finish. Every nonce is a engine, the more engines you have the faster you can go. Like bitcoin mining the more hashrate you have the faster you can find the next block.
You also need to know that in every race there is some luck. Both in the bitcoin race, burst race or car races. That how someone can sometimes find a block with 500 gb and someone with 100 tb dosen't find it every time.

If you need more help just ask. That bumps the forum post XD
Edit: Formatting

[haitch]

Any guides or info on what the hell a deadline actually is?

Been mining over at burst ninja and been getting paid out wonderfully.  1.6TB is all I'm using for now.

Anyways,

Info on what nounces are, and what a deadline is.   Compared to mining other coins.  You always hear about shares and such.  How is the terminology and how are shares considered with burst?

Each 256KB of your plot file is made of 4096 "scoops" of 64 bytes each. When you see the pool mining stats it'll show which scoop is currently being minied. So when mining, Scoop X of each 256KB is considered. The value in each scoop is a nonce, and each nonce represents the time it would take for this nonce to win the round, which is based on the scoop number and target difficulty - the deadline. Some of the deadlines the nonces produce are very large > 10,000 years, or very small < minutes (even a zero second deadline is possible). As each better nonce is found in your plot, it is sent to the pool. If your nonce deadline ends up winning, then the pool wins, and you get paid a proportion of the pool winnings, based on the best deadline you've submitted for each of the last 50 rounds or so.

HTH.

H.

[Lenore]

Thank you guys for the reply.  Greatly appreciated.   I think I read most of this somewhere.  But wasn't really sure on most of it.

It all makes sense now that you guys explained it a little.

Thank you.

I now understand a little better and how HDD mining works.   Like it better then normal mining.  Seems easier and well less expensive and no massively expensive GPUs to buy.

Thanks again guys.

Greatly appreciated.

[haitch]

Seems easier and well less expensive and no massively expensive GPUs to buy.

Note that if you use Luxe's jMiner, then a GPU can significantly reduce the mining time over the other miners - you don't need a monster card, a 280x or GTX 750Ti/960 will really accelerate it. Won't make much of a difference with 1.2TB, but if you catch the bug and grow your plots ..... ;-)

Thanks again guys.

Greatly appreciated.

No problem.

H.

[notabeliever]

"localhost:8125/burst?requestType=rsConvert&account"
Good choice!


what does this mean?

[Irontiga]

"localhost:8125/burst?requestType=rsConvert&account"
Good choice!

what does this mean?

Uhm....it meas that his wallet no longer relies on the web wallet, it just uses the local wallet now.

[BurstIncomeAsset]

Soon INCOME asset dividend will be paid.

Total dividend amount is 0.023BTC, of which  0.016 will be paid out to shareholders and 0.0068 will stay at me. It is less than my share %, so the change will be given bonus to you guys. Now I keep my dividends in BTC this time, so that means that I`ll exclude myself from the BURST shareholder list this round.

This means that about 90,000 BURST are given out.


Now this might seem very small, but from now on we can pay dividends more frequently. Remember the cashflow is much bigger now than ever before. And I hope I can put the trade profits soon into the casino investments.

[BurstIncomeAsset]

Is there any online or paper wallets available for Burstcoin? I don't wanna download the full blockchain on my HDD only for the sake of mining. It's a nice concept BTW so let's see how well it goes in future.

Here you go
https://wallet.burst-team.us:8125/index.html

Is this web wallet safe to use? I also have problems with downloading many blockchains to my PC.

Who is managing that website?

[Irontiga]

Is there any online or paper wallets available for Burstcoin? I don't wanna download the full blockchain on my HDD only for the sake of mining. It's a nice concept BTW so let's see how well it goes in future.

Here you go
https://wallet.burst-team.us:8125/index.html

Is this web wallet safe to use? I also have problems with downloading many blockchains to my PC.

Who is managing that website?

Haitch. It's safe ;P

[BurstIncomeAsset]

Haitch. It's safe ;P

Perhaps haitch could integrate the dividend script in it, the one that you developed.

Then it would be way easier to use BURST.

[Irontiga]

Haitch. It's safe ;P

Perhaps haitch could integrate the dividend script in it, the one that you developed.

Then it would be way easier to use BURST.

How about i rewrote the dividend script and then he incorporate it ;P I don't have time right now, but i had plans to add a feature to my blockex (with local signing, dw)

[haitch]

Is there any online or paper wallets available for Burstcoin? I don't wanna download the full blockchain on my HDD only for the sake of mining. It's a nice concept BTW so let's see how well it goes in future.

Here you go
https://wallet.burst-team.us:8125/index.html

Is this web wallet safe to use? I also have problems with downloading many blockchains to my PC.

Who is managing that website?

BurstIncome, I run the *.burst-team.us sites, and can assure you it's the original wallet - if anyone has any doubts about it, I can remote access you into the server and show an MD5 check of the publicly available wallet jar and the jar I'm running - they're one and the same.

What issue are you having with downloads? At http://db.burst-team.us you can download a zip of the wallet DB, it's updated daily, so is the most up to date version you can download.

If there's anything you want integrated into any of the sites, let me know - and if anyone wants hosting space for a Burst related project, I have spare capacity on the server to host you - just drop me a PM letting me know.

H.

[BurstIncomeAsset]

INCOME dividends paid out
https://block.burstcoin.info/as.php?as=11188744773544606055

Mine is not here, I`ve paid it to myself earlier in BTC.

Code:

Income (11188744773544606055) Total found assets: 1000000, Assets to be distributed: 684606
Summary of proposed distribution of  77250BURST to 161
Based on asset holders at timestamp 41005383 (Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:23:03 GMT)
----------------------
Number of assets, Account, Payout amount
112901, BURST-ACGB-YGHQ-G9ZL-5XD7U, 12739.59364949
70000, BURST-KTTD-6GE6-6BK9-B8ABB, 7898.70377998
67786, BURST-EEWX-K3D3-ZWNM-3SDPX, 7648.87906329
34860, BURST-LSVR-MRK6-9NFB-9CQ5Y, 3933.55448243
32001, BURST-XC7A-FM25-3TK9-CNPGC, 3610.94885233
31262, BURST-3XNU-XANK-L3LA-6RJRR, 3527.56110814
30393, BURST-79PK-DGC2-M4XP-HUAVB, 3429.50434264
30125, BURST-XCJ9-Z5H2-MVKM-HA8EP, 3399.26359103
29253, BURST-W3VU-PJX2-KCN5-F3GP3, 3300.86830966
27891, BURST-YSFT-M5W8-E4Z7-D7UDQ, 3147.18210182
23359, BURST-SARW-AZYD-WB2R-8S2NS, 2635.79745138
22720, BURST-MAFT-UQJR-DXGP-EXSMW, 2563.69356973
20574, BURST-6CTC-EFAD-5F5U-8BFDC, 2321.54187956
16326, BURST-YNDY-7542-JUGK-CBBSJ, 1842.20339874
15000, BURST-Q8CQ-RRKW-BDQN-BBJYP, 1692.57938143
15000, BURST-7FBA-ZY89-QBJP-7RQ2P, 1692.57938143
12475, BURST-CLS5-BSSG-K78Q-5WF97, 1407.66185222
11686, BURST-SANZ-WDBE-TM79-2N3DP, 1318.63217676
10000, BURST-UADJ-9AFK-Q62J-5YV2K, 1128.38625428
10000, BURST-QHCJ-9HB5-PTGC-5Q8J9, 1128.38625428
9532, BURST-4FWQ-85G6-EHQQ-6T27Z, 1075.57777758
3421, BURST-2TSC-XWG7-YM2U-GZ873, 386.02093759
3125, BURST-FP7D-C3M6-PUV9-3ZLTH, 352.62070446
3000, BURST-M9DA-TWR5-RAQR-E239P, 338.51587629
2709, BURST-8XJE-8WYY-U4ZT-9NPMA, 305.67983629
2517, BURST-G5EG-7MQ2-QJJ9-7VRCG, 284.0148202
2500, BURST-HWPA-YC4X-3QUZ-BBY99, 282.09656357
2034, BURST-54J2-DUDF-EUQU-4ZZRQ, 229.51376412
1531, BURST-YZJ6-LYBY-WAC6-BQYGC, 172.75593553
1507, BURST-QDDF-MZ2E-BPUW-DLT6L, 170.04780852
1500, BURST-X2LG-EB5R-JWTE-8D8ZA, 169.25793814
1500, BURST-2DEM-EBGV-GVCS-HNK6U, 169.25793814
1062, BURST-YMMH-ZSVJ-VDJF-H25VF, 119.8346202
1020, BURST-NHS7-2UMM-EE4S-DBYZF, 115.09539794
1016, BURST-3BT5-6RGK-3TQL-GUAJ9, 114.64404344
1006, BURST-Y7D8-PERN-3EN7-8T5AH, 113.51565718
1000, BURST-V6XS-CRY8-RZYC-FRATK, 112.83862543
1000, BURST-6BQZ-PUZA-Z4K5-H5VFL, 112.83862543
1000, BURST-FVDC-XRNC-YD8Y-AT6PQ, 112.83862543
1000, BURST-HHQG-E8CH-VRNL-AY72B, 112.83862543
1000, BURST-58XP-63WY-XSVQ-ASG9A, 112.83862543
1000, BURST-XKU9-R5PG-SRTM-C5DB9, 112.83862543
1000, BURST-SLHG-PCZ5-3S5N-G7LGL, 112.83862543
1000, BURST-LSQV-BM94-VRFZ-48EUN, 112.83862543
1000, BURST-9SPU-XSHK-B238-5LRKM, 112.83862543
657, BURST-J5XR-PN4N-574E-95WY2, 74.13497691
635, BURST-NQBV-73HL-A4UY-2ADG3, 71.65252715
528, BURST-WTN9-HFDE-XBZB-933Q5, 59.57879423
510, BURST-L9Y6-FFHR-E9D6-7AR56, 57.54769897
500, BURST-A39P-BKGT-NSNM-6UHAD, 56.41931271
500, BURST-DRUH-V7YS-F7CX-DB9JU, 56.41931271
500, BURST-RR2K-7NMT-GRPQ-5VCQS, 56.41931271
500, BURST-QT7S-LWA2-49XB-97P6F, 56.41931271
500, BURST-WXSL-JFPN-5VBN-2N35S, 56.41931271
500, BURST-BREF-TMF3-FZU3-FR7L7, 56.41931271
500, BURST-MJYK-QCA9-AUV6-9BC72, 56.41931271
500, BURST-WYC4-HHV3-UHA2-CVF6S, 56.41931271
500, BURST-NUFU-7PX7-KHVM-7EMNC, 56.41931271
500, BURST-68PE-97U3-PH4C-F9TXC, 56.41931271
500, BURST-KQ2P-FWCW-AAYU-D9G24, 56.41931271
500, BURST-QWUL-6HFB-4DWM-95NPN, 56.41931271
500, BURST-SYYS-QMGR-BCYN-BVQ2A, 56.41931271
500, BURST-ZWHE-HQ8D-GMQ7-6YYPT, 56.41931271
500, BURST-78S3-3AXW-SDDG-37Y72, 56.41931271
500, BURST-X2MY-DV84-GB2J-HCXZE, 56.41931271
500, BURST-6MZ2-6MH9-U5AX-FNMJX, 56.41931271
425, BURST-SBDF-A7TQ-SHK4-6ARVU, 47.95641581
346, BURST-8V9Q-RWD8-2XCF-CLYWW, 39.0421644
300, BURST-VZVZ-DAWG-QUK3-GTUN8, 33.85158763
160, BURST-RV3F-RGPE-QSLF-GQVUU, 18.05418007
125, BURST-ELL2-56ZZ-9TAP-DANZE, 14.10482818
101, BURST-QZKU-87FZ-WJTX-2QNYK, 11.39670117
100, BURST-HHT9-9FQ6-XT6E-GCDYN, 11.28386254
80, BURST-YVM6-F388-G9ST-6S5Z9, 9.02709003
56, BURST-D4CR-L4M6-RZ9U-A5J7J, 6.31896302
52, BURST-BHX6-CYKA-TJMX-A9Q5X, 5.86760852
46, BURST-PMVC-387U-LG6C-FUMVY, 5.19057677
45, BURST-CZRW-JU8V-SWRB-93DEV, 5.07773814
43, BURST-9LQ3-ZCH9-VDPH-8YUQK, 4.85206089
29, BURST-9P9G-PFWW-RRC2-AN6XD, 3.27232014
21, BURST-AJ63-3W8L-FGBT-2ALZE, 2.36961113
20, BURST-8GKG-B4KD-MDFR-4247Q, 2.25677251
20, BURST-53DP-A7CT-YTM9-FZCLM, 2.25677251
19, BURST-JHNH-LHNN-E79J-2D5MK, 2.14393388
15, BURST-7G43-CTSC-QLTM-GASD4, 1.69257938
11, BURST-NKCQ-RHF7-DXZY-EP45B, 1.24122488
11, BURST-YANG-5U62-895V-AJASZ, 1.24122488
10, BURST-V3K2-QPEN-3KSF-DLXW5, 1.12838625
9, BURST-3CJW-TGLY-W9PV-EYDVQ, 1.01554763
8, BURST-MGCC-6T6C-9F7V-ESHZ3, 0.902709
6, BURST-F5XY-VZEP-N6B4-AEWMD, 0.67703175
6, BURST-SJ6W-22VW-NJ89-DN9DZ, 0.67703175
6, BURST-P3G9-9EJ3-3DQX-3WGDS, 0.67703175
6, BURST-63UG-63M4-RKTE-B3PX9, 0.67703175
5, BURST-XW9A-2HV6-SYZH-B8GH9, 0.56419313
5, BURST-K84W-LWVZ-B727-67WUL, 0.56419313
4, BURST-3K4X-NUCB-3DJ8-DZ644, 0.4513545
4, BURST-6XHB-5R4Z-LPUC-8EERT, 0.4513545
4, BURST-VTJN-DAWA-EF97-HTEK6, 0.4513545
4, BURST-PPT9-MFYS-37ST-7FRFH, 0.4513545
3, BURST-6NJW-NB5F-T9A7-5HE2Z, 0.33851588
3, BURST-HK9D-P74Q-XDEJ-D6PGM, 0.33851588
3, BURST-LTEA-5UUG-LCVC-ATU64, 0.33851588
3, BURST-7WX4-U942-EJWW-8JSFN, 0.33851588
3, BURST-KG6W-3WQ7-MGFA-HR7HY, 0.33851588
3, BURST-KKDB-SZZ2-VUPZ-A3X5L, 0.33851588
2, BURST-UKGQ-JGT6-AVNB-8ED9E, 0.22567725
2, BURST-PG9F-YS79-NKVM-22TQT, 0.22567725
2, BURST-BRQT-X9GD-SWSR-CW9DA, 0.22567725
2, BURST-BLAG-Z99X-NDR4-HFFF8, 0.22567725
2, BURST-4ANV-7DLW-A6XA-9RAHQ, 0.22567725
2, BURST-B2R8-TZKJ-T4NG-4AJBW, 0.22567725
2, BURST-AC7K-HC65-QNA2-FS4P7, 0.22567725
2, BURST-W9SK-ZFF3-VS7Q-FWKNH, 0.22567725
2, BURST-995Y-9BL5-8UX4-8E6EZ, 0.22567725
1, BURST-V2L3-CGNB-HQUD-4RUCN, 0.11283863
1, BURST-UYR8-CVFT-R9TN-832V4, 0.11283863
1, BURST-NKK2-V96P-EHQ6-BNVVT, 0.11283863
1, BURST-9XX6-PHUF-3F56-27ENJ, 0.11283863
1, BURST-YCZP-KEA3-D2WP-CYDSP, 0.11283863
1, BURST-VGX6-Y9RN-5FW6-2UFLC, 0.11283863
1, BURST-MAL8-6CLL-3LR9-46LXC, 0.11283863
1, BURST-ACMR-BF42-KRPY-68ZL9, 0.11283863
1, BURST-Y97Y-2DQU-UKU7-DRS4B, 0.11283863
1, BURST-4EZP-UZGW-WNP4-GT7ZL, 0.11283863
1, BURST-FPJK-XYCE-S5E2-E55FU, 0.11283863
1, BURST-TTED-MDS7-LHGL-7KE59, 0.11283863
1, BURST-Q9NT-Z3JW-4VCD-G8X7Z, 0.11283863
1, BURST-GESS-98Q7-TP7C-63DLJ, 0.11283863
1, BURST-8CSX-ZGXX-Q5BW-GARLD, 0.11283863
1, BURST-836Q-UU5R-B5VM-2EELC, 0.11283863
1, BURST-GNMK-DHFG-NES7-73HLB, 0.11283863
1, BURST-CSJX-APKC-L573-BURST, 0.11283863
1, BURST-VAZF-H98E-XV9L-EUYPA, 0.11283863
1, BURST-ULAN-TMSP-2LYG-25M3Q, 0.11283863
1, BURST-8MNU-Z7S6-REUY-EC8AN, 0.11283863
1, BURST-G3NL-QNX6-ZQFW-3B39K, 0.11283863
1, BURST-KZ6Q-7UR8-KQQP-94LEK, 0.11283863
1, BURST-TVF7-FSM7-4NLU-2ZEGJ, 0.11283863
1, BURST-NP4W-2Q3L-96VS-6N97D, 0.11283863
1, BURST-FNZQ-EY6A-KWA5-8UE92, 0.11283863
1, BURST-DLR2-65R2-E52V-H8T94, 0.11283863
1, BURST-WABD-DD64-CPGZ-3XM4J, 0.11283863
1, BURST-GB85-88E5-U34S-ANNAX, 0.11283863
1, BURST-NTE8-W5A2-C7W4-5KXEL, 0.11283863
1, BURST-994V-YZWT-QBB4-C9YZM, 0.11283863
1, BURST-JUNJ-C3V7-4B5M-2NYZX, 0.11283863
1, BURST-9T7X-MVDP-H6Z5-476QZ, 0.11283863
1, BURST-CSBF-B6R6-FB4M-AURMY, 0.11283863
1, BURST-5B7V-GKET-UNAP-3W4D3, 0.11283863
1, BURST-ZYTF-9G82-R8MJ-73JHG, 0.11283863
1, BURST-7DGP-PSZR-N353-4E4TQ, 0.11283863
1, BURST-LUXE-ZDVD-CX3E-3SM58, 0.11283863
1, BURST-559S-M25C-C9JT-EB5HM, 0.11283863
1, BURST-3JDP-HEJX-UQVX-CNKEH, 0.11283863
1, BURST-N7V4-AJAB-CCT5-9F25G, 0.11283863
1, BURST-HPEL-F589-ULTK-2F5MN, 0.11283863
1, BURST-EZEE-25NA-K92W-9FWUS, 0.11283863
1, BURST-7CPJ-BW8N-U4XF-CWW3U, 0.11283863
1, BURST-A282-BK5U-FBDS-GM7CK, 0.11283863
1, BURST-9U8R-8DN7-4RMU-BNRW6, 0.11283863

Dividend payouts will be much more frequent from now on

[BurstIncomeAsset]

BurstIncome, I run the *.burst-team.us sites, and can assure you it's the original wallet - if anyone has any doubts about it, I can remote access you into the server and show an MD5 check of the publicly available wallet jar and the jar I'm running - they're one and the same.

What issue are you having with downloads? At http://db.burst-team.us you can download a zip of the wallet DB, it's updated daily, so is the most up to date version you can download.

If there's anything you want integrated into any of the sites, let me know - and if anyone wants hosting space for a Burst related project, I have spare capacity on the server to host you - just drop me a PM letting me know.

H.

No problem I trust you, you are my biggest shareholder of INCOME

It is just about the size of blockchain and the slowness of download. I would prefer a quick access online wallet to have all features, and I think many more people would do too. Your online wallet is very nice but lacks the dividend scripts, voting scripts and others.


Irontiga created a dividend script, and I made some minor modifications to it, can you please integrate it into your online wallet?

Here is it:
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=06054712237329734251
sha256:  D30C4AD9F78DCF7D61F7EAB88E51E4720A063EE2

To install just make a backup copy of burst_1.2.3\html\ui and put the new ui folder in its place


You can get the original script from IRONTIGA, and compare it with mine with:  http://winmerge.org/?lang=en

You can see that all files are identical with IRONTIGA's original version, except the nsv.dividends.js

The ui/js/nsv.dividends.js is the only file I`ve modified, and IRONTIGA kindly could check it and confirm that I havent put anything shady in it. I only changed the checkbox disable conditions. This way the banned addresses are empty and enabled by default and the timestamp is disabled.

If any other file other than the nsv.dividends.js is changed then somebody tampered with the package other than me.

(and it works I just paid out the dividends earlier with my modified script, and was done without any problems)

Thanks!

[Lenore]

Is there a more preferred pool over Ninja?

[haitch]

BurstIncome, I run the *.burst-team.us sites, and can assure you it's the original wallet - if anyone has any doubts about it, I can remote access you into the server and show an MD5 check of the publicly available wallet jar and the jar I'm running - they're one and the same.

What issue are you having with downloads? At http://db.burst-team.us you can download a zip of the wallet DB, it's updated daily, so is the most up to date version you can download.

If there's anything you want integrated into any of the sites, let me know - and if anyone wants hosting space for a Burst related project, I have spare capacity on the server to host you - just drop me a PM letting me know.

H.

No problem I trust you, you are my biggest shareholder of INCOME

It is just about the size of blockchain and the slowness of download. I would prefer a quick access online wallet to have all features, and I think many more people would do too. Your online wallet is very nice but lacks the dividend scripts, voting scripts and others.


Irontiga created a dividend script, and I made some minor modifications to it, can you please integrate it into your online wallet?

Here is it:
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=06054712237329734251
sha256:  D30C4AD9F78DCF7D61F7EAB88E51E4720A063EE2

To install just make a backup copy of burst_1.2.3\html\ui and put the new ui folder in its place


You can get the original script from IRONTIGA, and compare it with mine with:  http://winmerge.org/?lang=en

You can see that all files are identical with IRONTIGA's original version, except the nsv.dividends.js

The ui/js/nsv.dividends.js is the only file I`ve modified, and IRONTIGA kindly could check it and confirm that I havent put anything shady in it. I only changed the checkbox disable conditions. This way the banned addresses are empty and enabled by default and the timestamp is disabled.

If any other file other than the nsv.dividends.js is changed then somebody tampered with the package other than me.

(and it works I just paid out the dividends earlier with my modified script, and was done without any problems)

Thanks!

Updated UI folder loaded, if there are other add-ins that should be loaded, send me a link.

H.

[haitch]

Is there a more preferred pool over Ninja?

Nope. Stick with Ninja.

H.

[BurstIncomeAsset]

Updated UI folder loaded, if there are other add-ins that should be loaded, send me a link.

H.

Not that I know of, this is the only package that exists since it was adopted from NXT's version of addons.

The fact is that this is a very useful tool, because it contains not only the dividend system ,but also voting mechanisms.


So if people will use your wallet, then we can now host democratic votes about BURST's development. We reallly need to popularize that voting system, then we will communicate much easier and decide where BURST will go.

You could also add a certificate to your site, I get this:

Code:

wallet.burst-team.us:8125 uses an invalid security certificate. 
The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is unknown. 
(Error code: sec_error_unknown_issuer)

But other than this works like a charm

I think a new ANN thread is also needed, since its clear that the dev wont come back.