Scientific proof that God exists?

[Vod]

There must be someone some architect or someone else call it however you want, someone who created all this. Created us humans, created every single living creature on Earth. You can't really think it is created based on some luck.

Your logic is flawed.  You believe a simple thing like a cell cannot just come into being, yet you believe a creator did?

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[BADecker]

There must be someone some architect or someone else call it however you want, someone who created all this. Created us humans, created every single living creature on Earth. You can't really think it is created based on some luck.

Your logic is flawed.  You believe a simple thing like a cell cannot just come into being, yet you believe a creator did?

It wasn't the Creator Who came into existence. The Creator always existed. It was mankind that suddenly came into existence. And it looked to man like it was God Who came into existence, because when man came into existence, that was the first time he saw God... God Who had always existed.

[BADecker]

Which post number do you think has the most compelling proof, if any?

Proof of god does not exist.  Religion is faith - what you think.  It has nothing to do with reality.  If it doesn't exist it cannot be proven.

Proof of God is science reality. Religion is at times faith in what God has told man.

God has been proven by the way cause and effect, entropy, and complexity exist together in this universe.

[BADecker]

Show us a machine that doesn't have a designer.   

A cell. Plants, animals, etc etc.

Prove it.     

[verwas]

Mmmm... I really doubt there is any scientific proof to describe god existence...

[kardanoleg]

Religion, like God, is invented to govern the society, those who are in power...

[Astargath]

Show us a machine that doesn't have a designer.   

A cell. Plants, animals, etc etc.

Prove it.     

Unfortunately you have to prove your claims since you are trying to prove god's existence. Your argument for god's existence is that ''all machines have creators/designers'' however you didn't prove that, you just stated it which is what usually happens with your ''arguments''. Even you prove all ''machines have makers'' which you wont, it would still not prove god's existence, it would only prove that machines have creators. What is the evidence that it's only 1 creator and not multiple? hehe you get rekt again.

[BADecker]

Show us a machine that doesn't have a designer.    

A cell. Plants, animals, etc etc.

Prove it.      

Unfortunately you have to prove your claims since you are trying to prove god's existence. Your argument for god's existence is that ''all machines have creators/designers'' however you didn't prove that, you just stated it which is what usually happens with your ''arguments''. Even you prove all ''machines have makers'' which you wont, it would still not prove god's existence, it would only prove that machines have creators. What is the evidence that it's only 1 creator and not multiple? hehe you get rekt again.

You seem to be laying down groundwork for what constitutes proof. Prove that your groundwork is the method for proving something.

However, I showed a long time ago how C&E, combined with entropy, combined with complexity, proves that God exists. You have claimed that you have rebutted my proof. Prove that you have rebutted my proof.

[BADecker]

i didnt expect anyone to reply to my post but

"god" and "aliens" are virtually synonymous imo

god created this earth, he is not from this earth, so that makes god an extraterrestrial of some kind

God is extra-universal. Such is the way He is extraterrestrial. The difference between the two is, extraterrestrial still obeys the laws of the physics of the universe. Extra-universal has the option of not having to obey the physics of the universe, but possibly obeying some of them in a modified form. If extra-universal obeyed the laws of the universe completely, it would be part of the universe, and not extra-universal.

Aliens may be gods if they personally have greater abilities than people... greater intelligence, greater strength, greater knowledge, greater thinking ability, etc.  A question is, can aliens be extra-universal as well as extraterrestrial? That is, can there be other universes that operate by completely different laws of physics, and can those universes have aliens? And can those aliens be "translated" into the physics of this universe so that they can "slide" into our universe?

Two basic points about "God" are:

1. The point that God is outside our universe is shown in entropy. Entropy shows that there was a beginning to the universe, because there would be no complexity if the universe had not begun within the "recent" past. Entropy would have made mush our of the whole universe by now if there were no beginning.

We have no evidence of, and it doesn't make sense that, something like our universe can make itself. According to all our countless applications and understandings of the way things work, it is entirely illogical that something can make itself out of nothing. This leads to number 2.

2. The thing we call God, was at the time of the beginning of our universe, completely outside of our universe. He/It might have "injected" Himself/Itself into the universe in part, exactly at the time of the beginning. But being outside of the universe at least in part, we don't know anything about Him/It, because we of this universe can't even begin to think in ways that are abstract enough for us, so that they might match something outside. If we DO think in those abstract ways, we don't know that we do. Because of this, things outside are simply outside >>> one = outside. God is one, because the closest we can think about outside the universe is, simply, outside... one. God is one.

We can't even get a handle on all the physics of this universe. We are only beginning to manipulate the laws of our universe a tiny touch. Because of this, we can't really begin to surmise what the Maker of the universe might be like, by looking at the things of the universe, because we don't know enough about the universe to even begin to guesstimate what the Creator might be like... at least not in a scientific way.

Anyway. You start to get an idea of the complexities of this kind of thinking.

[Astargath]

Show us a machine that doesn't have a designer.    

A cell. Plants, animals, etc etc.

Prove it.      

Unfortunately you have to prove your claims since you are trying to prove god's existence. Your argument for god's existence is that ''all machines have creators/designers'' however you didn't prove that, you just stated it which is what usually happens with your ''arguments''. Even you prove all ''machines have makers'' which you wont, it would still not prove god's existence, it would only prove that machines have creators. What is the evidence that it's only 1 creator and not multiple? hehe you get rekt again.

You seem to be laying down groundwork for what constitutes proof. Prove that your groundwork is the method for proving something.

However, I showed a long time ago how C&E, combined with entropy, combined with complexity, proves that God exists. You have claimed that you have rebutted my proof. Prove that you have rebutted my proof.

You only ''proved'' that those things indicate there is a creator/creators, nothing in your ''proof'' indicates that it has to be your particular god and not multiple gods, maybe aliens, maybe something else. So your proof, again, does not show it's god.

[BADecker]

You only ''proved'' that those things indicate there is a creator/creators, nothing in your ''proof'' indicates that it has to be your particular god and not multiple gods, maybe aliens, maybe something else. So your proof, again, does not show it's god.

Well, no. That's not all.

The fact that entropy hasn't turned everything into dissipated simplicity, shows that there was a Beginning to the universe, and that it wasn't too far in the past, cosmically speaking.

Combine this with the fact that we haven't found anything that comes into existence, spontaneously, without something bringing it into existence - in fact, spontaneous generation without a source doesn't even make sense in our universe - shows that the universe had something else as its "starter..." something other than itself.

This means that the Starter of the universe was not something within the universe. Since It was not within the universe at the time It started the universe - except that It might have injected part of Itself into the universe exactly at the time It started the universe - shows that it was "outside" the universe.

What does outside-the-universe mean? It means that we know nothing about it. Why? Because we know things according to the way the universe works... not according to something that has no properties of the universe. We don't know if It (the Creator) is a being. We don't know if It has complexity. We don't know if It has more than one unit. We don't even know if the terms "one" or "multiple" even fit something outside. The only thing we know is "outside."

Outside is one. There are not two outsides with regard to us. All we understand about whatever is outside the universe is that it is outside. One. Outside.

My particular God is the God Who started the universe. He/It is outside >>> One.

Of course He/It is alien. The only way He/It would not be completely alien, is that He/It has ascribed some of His/Its qualities to within the universe... at least in artificial form. If He/It had ascribed all of His/Its qualities to within, then He/It would totally be part of the universe, and science might be able to track Him/It down, someday.

But having been "outside" at the time He/It created the universe shows our God to be ONE. Did you catch that? He/It is your God, too, even though you barely recognize Him/It. Why? Because He/It created the stuff that you are made of, just like all of the rest of the stuff of the universe.

Scientific proof that God exists! Case closed.

[Puylybn]

i haven't read all thread, but i have an easy question: why a perfect entity had the urge to create men?

honestly i have a bunch of simple questions since my childhood that never got a satisfing answers; maybe someone here could shake my opinions ...

[seoincorporation]

Genetic scientists seem to be in general agreement that we are all descendants of one woman and one man. This research was fairly recent, starting about 1978. They, of course, do not believe in the creation story of Adam and Eve in the Bible, but their conclusions are getting closer and closer...

If we are all descendants of one woman and one man, where that woman and man come from? Are they descendants of another woman and one man... or they come direct from an ape?

Scientific proof that God exists is almost alike the scientific proof that earth is plane. Just a bunch of people trying to believe in a ridiculous theory.

[Kuramasakti]

I still can't do a proof and that's a very complete thing for me.
because I am more with my belief to worship my god .

[Vod]

I don't think BadDecker is able to understand what the word "proof" means.

Too dense. 

[Astargath]

You only ''proved'' that those things indicate there is a creator/creators, nothing in your ''proof'' indicates that it has to be your particular god and not multiple gods, maybe aliens, maybe something else. So your proof, again, does not show it's god.

Well, no. That's not all.

The fact that entropy hasn't turned everything into dissipated simplicity, shows that there was a Beginning to the universe, and that it wasn't too far in the past, cosmically speaking.

Combine this with the fact that we haven't found anything that comes into existence, spontaneously, without something bringing it into existence - in fact, spontaneous generation without a source doesn't even make sense in our universe - shows that the universe had something else as its "starter..." something other than itself.

This means that the Starter of the universe was not something within the universe. Since It was not within the universe at the time It started the universe - except that It might have injected part of Itself into the universe exactly at the time It started the universe - shows that it was "outside" the universe.

What does outside-the-universe mean? It means that we know nothing about it. Why? Because we know things according to the way the universe works... not according to something that has no properties of the universe. We don't know if It (the Creator) is a being. We don't know if It has complexity. We don't know if It has more than one unit. We don't even know if the terms "one" or "multiple" even fit something outside. The only thing we know is "outside."

Outside is one. There are not two outsides with regard to us. All we understand about whatever is outside the universe is that it is outside. One. Outside.

My particular God is the God Who started the universe. He/It is outside >>> One.

Of course He/It is alien. The only way He/It would not be completely alien, is that He/It has ascribed some of His/Its qualities to within the universe... at least in artificial form. If He/It had ascribed all of His/Its qualities to within, then He/It would totally be part of the universe, and science might be able to track Him/It down, someday.

But having been "outside" at the time He/It created the universe shows our God to be ONE. Did you catch that? He/It is your God, too, even though you barely recognize Him/It. Why? Because He/It created the stuff that you are made of, just like all of the rest of the stuff of the universe.

Scientific proof that God exists! Case closed.

Was that like a game of words or ?

''What does outside-the-universe mean? It means that we know nothing about it.''
''We don't know if It has more than one unit. We don't even know if the terms "one" or "multiple" even fit something outside.''
''My particular God is the God Who started the universe.''

Extremely conflicting statements right there. You say we don't know anything about what's outside the universe (in fact science doesn't even know if there can be something outside) but then you claim to know your god is the one that created the universe, do you not see the flawed logic in this? A kid would.

[Gogdo]

God exists there is no doubt about that. Before science came into existence God has been in existence. Who are those scientists to prove that God exists when God Himself is the one created them. Can a mortal be wiser than his maker?

[sophisa]

Why should there be such doubt—such confusion—about the existence of God? For thousands of years, people have debated whether God exists. Most conclude that it cannot be proven—one way or the other. It is surmised that the correct answer lies in the area of abstract philosophy and the metaphysical. And guess what? Nothing will change, because we can't prove anything... So just stop thinking about it, and live a good life.

[sinhviar]

Why should there be such doubt—such confusion—about the existence of God? For thousands of years, people have debated whether God exists. Most conclude that it cannot be proven—one way or the other. It is surmised that the correct answer lies in the area of abstract philosophy and the metaphysical. And guess what? Nothing will change, because we can't prove anything... So just stop thinking about it, and live a good life.

[davitet]

I think that people who believe in god are retarded but one thing that i find even mooooore retarded are retarded people who believe in god but need a proof of his existence.