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September 14, 2018, 11:49:32 AM
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Show us a machine that doesn't have a designer.    Cool

A cell. Plants, animals, etc etc.

Prove it.      Cool

Unfortunately you have to prove your claims since you are trying to prove god's existence. Your argument for god's existence is that ''all machines have creators/designers'' however you didn't prove that, you just stated it which is what usually happens with your ''arguments''. Even you prove all ''machines have makers'' which you wont, it would still not prove god's existence, it would only prove that machines have creators. What is the evidence that it's only 1 creator and not multiple? hehe you get rekt again.

You seem to be laying down groundwork for what constitutes proof. Prove that your groundwork is the method for proving something.

However, I showed a long time ago how C&E, combined with entropy, combined with complexity, proves that God exists. You have claimed that you have rebutted my proof. Prove that you have rebutted my proof.

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You only ''proved'' that those things indicate there is a creator/creators, nothing in your ''proof'' indicates that it has to be your particular god and not multiple gods, maybe aliens, maybe something else. So your proof, again, does not show it's god.

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September 14, 2018, 01:17:18 PM
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You only ''proved'' that those things indicate there is a creator/creators, nothing in your ''proof'' indicates that it has to be your particular god and not multiple gods, maybe aliens, maybe something else. So your proof, again, does not show it's god.

Well, no. That's not all.

The fact that entropy hasn't turned everything into dissipated simplicity, shows that there was a Beginning to the universe, and that it wasn't too far in the past, cosmically speaking.

Combine this with the fact that we haven't found anything that comes into existence, spontaneously, without something bringing it into existence - in fact, spontaneous generation without a source doesn't even make sense in our universe - shows that the universe had something else as its "starter..." something other than itself.

This means that the Starter of the universe was not something within the universe. Since It was not within the universe at the time It started the universe - except that It might have injected part of Itself into the universe exactly at the time It started the universe - shows that it was "outside" the universe.

What does outside-the-universe mean? It means that we know nothing about it. Why? Because we know things according to the way the universe works... not according to something that has no properties of the universe. We don't know if It (the Creator) is a being. We don't know if It has complexity. We don't know if It has more than one unit. We don't even know if the terms "one" or "multiple" even fit something outside. The only thing we know is "outside."

Outside is one. There are not two outsides with regard to us. All we understand about whatever is outside the universe is that it is outside. One. Outside.

My particular God is the God Who started the universe. He/It is outside >>> One.

Of course He/It is alien. The only way He/It would not be completely alien, is that He/It has ascribed some of His/Its qualities to within the universe... at least in artificial form. If He/It had ascribed all of His/Its qualities to within, then He/It would totally be part of the universe, and science might be able to track Him/It down, someday.

But having been "outside" at the time He/It created the universe shows our God to be ONE. Did you catch that? He/It is your God, too, even though you barely recognize Him/It. Why? Because He/It created the stuff that you are made of, just like all of the rest of the stuff of the universe.

Scientific proof that God exists! Case closed.

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September 14, 2018, 01:42:05 PM
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i haven't read all thread, but i have an easy question: why a perfect entity had the urge to create men?

honestly i have a bunch of simple questions since my childhood that never got a satisfing answers; maybe someone here could shake my opinions ...
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September 14, 2018, 01:57:39 PM
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Genetic scientists seem to be in general agreement that we are all descendants of one woman and one man. This research was fairly recent, starting about 1978. They, of course, do not believe in the creation story of Adam and Eve in the Bible, but their conclusions are getting closer and closer...

If we are all descendants of one woman and one man, where that woman and man come from? Are they descendants of another woman and one man... or they come direct from an ape?

Scientific proof that God exists is almost alike the scientific proof that earth is plane. Just a bunch of people trying to believe in a ridiculous theory.

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September 14, 2018, 02:00:56 PM
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I still can't do a proof and that's a very complete thing for me.
because I am more with my belief to worship my god .
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September 14, 2018, 03:09:59 PM
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I don't think BadDecker is able to understand what the word "proof" means.

Too dense.  Sad

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September 15, 2018, 01:28:32 PM
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You only ''proved'' that those things indicate there is a creator/creators, nothing in your ''proof'' indicates that it has to be your particular god and not multiple gods, maybe aliens, maybe something else. So your proof, again, does not show it's god.

Well, no. That's not all.

The fact that entropy hasn't turned everything into dissipated simplicity, shows that there was a Beginning to the universe, and that it wasn't too far in the past, cosmically speaking.

Combine this with the fact that we haven't found anything that comes into existence, spontaneously, without something bringing it into existence - in fact, spontaneous generation without a source doesn't even make sense in our universe - shows that the universe had something else as its "starter..." something other than itself.

This means that the Starter of the universe was not something within the universe. Since It was not within the universe at the time It started the universe - except that It might have injected part of Itself into the universe exactly at the time It started the universe - shows that it was "outside" the universe.

What does outside-the-universe mean? It means that we know nothing about it. Why? Because we know things according to the way the universe works... not according to something that has no properties of the universe. We don't know if It (the Creator) is a being. We don't know if It has complexity. We don't know if It has more than one unit. We don't even know if the terms "one" or "multiple" even fit something outside. The only thing we know is "outside."

Outside is one. There are not two outsides with regard to us. All we understand about whatever is outside the universe is that it is outside. One. Outside.

My particular God is the God Who started the universe. He/It is outside >>> One.

Of course He/It is alien. The only way He/It would not be completely alien, is that He/It has ascribed some of His/Its qualities to within the universe... at least in artificial form. If He/It had ascribed all of His/Its qualities to within, then He/It would totally be part of the universe, and science might be able to track Him/It down, someday.

But having been "outside" at the time He/It created the universe shows our God to be ONE. Did you catch that? He/It is your God, too, even though you barely recognize Him/It. Why? Because He/It created the stuff that you are made of, just like all of the rest of the stuff of the universe.

Scientific proof that God exists! Case closed.

Cool

Was that like a game of words or ?

''What does outside-the-universe mean? It means that we know nothing about it.''
''We don't know if It has more than one unit. We don't even know if the terms "one" or "multiple" even fit something outside.''
''My particular God is the God Who started the universe.''

Extremely conflicting statements right there. You say we don't know anything about what's outside the universe (in fact science doesn't even know if there can be something outside) but then you claim to know your god is the one that created the universe, do you not see the flawed logic in this? A kid would.

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September 15, 2018, 03:07:06 PM
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God exists there is no doubt about that. Before science came into existence God has been in existence. Who are those scientists to prove that God exists when God Himself is the one created them. Can a mortal be wiser than his maker?
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September 16, 2018, 05:03:34 PM
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Why should there be such doubt—such confusion—about the existence of God? For thousands of years, people have debated whether God exists. Most conclude that it cannot be proven—one way or the other. It is surmised that the correct answer lies in the area of abstract philosophy and the metaphysical. And guess what? Nothing will change, because we can't prove anything... So just stop thinking about it, and live a good life.
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Why should there be such doubt—such confusion—about the existence of God? For thousands of years, people have debated whether God exists. Most conclude that it cannot be proven—one way or the other. It is surmised that the correct answer lies in the area of abstract philosophy and the metaphysical. And guess what? Nothing will change, because we can't prove anything... So just stop thinking about it, and live a good life.
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I think that people who believe in god are retarded but one thing that i find even mooooore retarded are retarded people who believe in god but need a proof of his existence.
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October 07, 2018, 04:15:11 AM
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I think that people who believe in god are retarded but one thing that i find even mooooore retarded are retarded people who believe in god but need a proof of his existence.

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October 07, 2018, 05:03:11 AM
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There is no scientific proof of this, neither will any ever be forthcoming. If at all, you will find evidence aplenty that establishes the redundancy of the notion if 'deity' in our modern, scientific world.
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October 07, 2018, 08:49:23 AM
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Science is facts. God is faith. They never mix.
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October 07, 2018, 11:02:35 PM
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The only proof is scientists claiming that Big Bang can't exist "out of nowhere" and they agreed on a "powerful force that we can't comprehend"

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October 08, 2018, 12:31:16 AM
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You only ''proved'' that those things indicate there is a creator/creators, nothing in your ''proof'' indicates that it has to be your particular god and not multiple gods, maybe aliens, maybe something else. So your proof, again, does not show it's god.

Well, no. That's not all.

The fact that entropy hasn't turned everything into dissipated simplicity, shows that there was a Beginning to the universe, and that it wasn't too far in the past, cosmically speaking.

Combine this with the fact that we haven't found anything that comes into existence, spontaneously, without something bringing it into existence - in fact, spontaneous generation without a source doesn't even make sense in our universe - shows that the universe had something else as its "starter..." something other than itself.

This means that the Starter of the universe was not something within the universe. Since It was not within the universe at the time It started the universe - except that It might have injected part of Itself into the universe exactly at the time It started the universe - shows that it was "outside" the universe.

What does outside-the-universe mean? It means that we know nothing about it. Why? Because we know things according to the way the universe works... not according to something that has no properties of the universe. We don't know if It (the Creator) is a being. We don't know if It has complexity. We don't know if It has more than one unit. We don't even know if the terms "one" or "multiple" even fit something outside. The only thing we know is "outside."

Outside is one. There are not two outsides with regard to us. All we understand about whatever is outside the universe is that it is outside. One. Outside.

My particular God is the God Who started the universe. He/It is outside >>> One.

Of course He/It is alien. The only way He/It would not be completely alien, is that He/It has ascribed some of His/Its qualities to within the universe... at least in artificial form. If He/It had ascribed all of His/Its qualities to within, then He/It would totally be part of the universe, and science might be able to track Him/It down, someday.

But having been "outside" at the time He/It created the universe shows our God to be ONE. Did you catch that? He/It is your God, too, even though you barely recognize Him/It. Why? Because He/It created the stuff that you are made of, just like all of the rest of the stuff of the universe.

Scientific proof that God exists! Case closed.

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Was that like a game of words or ?

''What does outside-the-universe mean? It means that we know nothing about it.''
''We don't know if It has more than one unit. We don't even know if the terms "one" or "multiple" even fit something outside.''
''My particular God is the God Who started the universe.''

Extremely conflicting statements right there. You say we don't know anything about what's outside the universe (in fact science doesn't even know if there can be something outside) but then you claim to know your god is the one that created the universe, do you not see the flawed logic in this? A kid would.

No conflict at all. The simple term "being outside the universe" doesn't mean that there is a border to the universe, and the thing outside is beyond that border. Rather, "being outside the universe" simply means that whatever it is doesn't fit the universe in any way, even in the term "being outside the universe."

Science is barely starting to find things out. The complexity of everything is so great, that we barely have a handle on the fundamentals, scientifically.

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October 08, 2018, 12:32:42 AM
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Science is facts. God is faith. They never mix.

God is fact. Science uses a little fact regarding the things that God made. But science theory (which is part of science) is faith - faith in science.

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October 08, 2018, 11:34:01 AM
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You only ''proved'' that those things indicate there is a creator/creators, nothing in your ''proof'' indicates that it has to be your particular god and not multiple gods, maybe aliens, maybe something else. So your proof, again, does not show it's god.

Well, no. That's not all.

The fact that entropy hasn't turned everything into dissipated simplicity, shows that there was a Beginning to the universe, and that it wasn't too far in the past, cosmically speaking.

Combine this with the fact that we haven't found anything that comes into existence, spontaneously, without something bringing it into existence - in fact, spontaneous generation without a source doesn't even make sense in our universe - shows that the universe had something else as its "starter..." something other than itself.

This means that the Starter of the universe was not something within the universe. Since It was not within the universe at the time It started the universe - except that It might have injected part of Itself into the universe exactly at the time It started the universe - shows that it was "outside" the universe.

What does outside-the-universe mean? It means that we know nothing about it. Why? Because we know things according to the way the universe works... not according to something that has no properties of the universe. We don't know if It (the Creator) is a being. We don't know if It has complexity. We don't know if It has more than one unit. We don't even know if the terms "one" or "multiple" even fit something outside. The only thing we know is "outside."

Outside is one. There are not two outsides with regard to us. All we understand about whatever is outside the universe is that it is outside. One. Outside.

My particular God is the God Who started the universe. He/It is outside >>> One.

Of course He/It is alien. The only way He/It would not be completely alien, is that He/It has ascribed some of His/Its qualities to within the universe... at least in artificial form. If He/It had ascribed all of His/Its qualities to within, then He/It would totally be part of the universe, and science might be able to track Him/It down, someday.

But having been "outside" at the time He/It created the universe shows our God to be ONE. Did you catch that? He/It is your God, too, even though you barely recognize Him/It. Why? Because He/It created the stuff that you are made of, just like all of the rest of the stuff of the universe.

Scientific proof that God exists! Case closed.

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Was that like a game of words or ?

''What does outside-the-universe mean? It means that we know nothing about it.''
''We don't know if It has more than one unit. We don't even know if the terms "one" or "multiple" even fit something outside.''
''My particular God is the God Who started the universe.''

Extremely conflicting statements right there. You say we don't know anything about what's outside the universe (in fact science doesn't even know if there can be something outside) but then you claim to know your god is the one that created the universe, do you not see the flawed logic in this? A kid would.

No conflict at all. The simple term "being outside the universe" doesn't mean that there is a border to the universe, and the thing outside is beyond that border. Rather, "being outside the universe" simply means that whatever it is doesn't fit the universe in any way, even in the term "being outside the universe."

Science is barely starting to find things out. The complexity of everything is so great, that we barely have a handle on the fundamentals, scientifically.

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First of all ''being outside the universe'' is not known to be true, there might not be anything outside of it and it's a vague term. If it simply means that whatever it is doesn't fit the universe in any way (which it doesn't) it still doesn't mean it was god, like how do you go from, we don't know what it is, it's just something that doesn't fit our universe to, it's obviously a god? Where is the evidence?

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October 08, 2018, 12:56:55 PM
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No conflict at all. The simple term "being outside the universe" doesn't mean that there is a border to the universe, and the thing outside is beyond that border. Rather, "being outside the universe" simply means that whatever it is doesn't fit the universe in any way, even in the term "being outside the universe."

Science is barely starting to find things out. The complexity of everything is so great, that we barely have a handle on the fundamentals, scientifically.

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First of all ''being outside the universe'' is not known to be true, there might not be anything outside of it and it's a vague term. If it simply means that whatever it is doesn't fit the universe in any way (which it doesn't) it still doesn't mean it was god, like how do you go from, we don't know what it is, it's just something that doesn't fit our universe to, it's obviously a god? Where is the evidence?

''The complexity of everything'' Define complexity.

The fact that the term "outside the universe" does not fit whatever it is that is outside the universe, shows that there absolutely is something outside the universe, and that whatever it is, is way more different that anything within the universe that we can understand.

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October 08, 2018, 01:45:42 PM
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No conflict at all. The simple term "being outside the universe" doesn't mean that there is a border to the universe, and the thing outside is beyond that border. Rather, "being outside the universe" simply means that whatever it is doesn't fit the universe in any way, even in the term "being outside the universe."

Science is barely starting to find things out. The complexity of everything is so great, that we barely have a handle on the fundamentals, scientifically.

Cool

First of all ''being outside the universe'' is not known to be true, there might not be anything outside of it and it's a vague term. If it simply means that whatever it is doesn't fit the universe in any way (which it doesn't) it still doesn't mean it was god, like how do you go from, we don't know what it is, it's just something that doesn't fit our universe to, it's obviously a god? Where is the evidence?

''The complexity of everything'' Define complexity.

The fact that the term "outside the universe" does not fit whatever it is that is outside the universe, shows that there absolutely is something outside the universe, and that whatever it is, is way more different that anything within the universe that we can understand.

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Sure but how does that show it's god and not something else?

''The fact that the term "outside the universe" '' No the fact is that, ''outside the universe'' are words just like a ghost or a troll are words, it doesn't mean they exist, we don't know if there is such thing as ''outside the universe''

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