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October 31, 2018, 01:02:49 AM
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On October 19th I noticed a potential issue with mixin/decoy selection on XMR transactions. I sent the following email to Riccardo Spagni with a CC to luigi1111 on October 20th:

"Hi folks. I've noticed that my Monero GUI on Windows has only been selecting mixin decoys from October 17th and older revealing the real input as the most recent one after October 17th. Reviewing a block explorer shows the same issues on many randomly selected transactions:

https://xmrchain.net/tx/99cb50189415190c134d40e6b9ebfeac14a90b21efc1eb787ab2bd1cd3cc21a2 https://xmrchain.net/tx/4c7e82d096a72be0ef98994f4922a3a381af53b75396cb7881e0070f00b4b820 https://xmrchain.net/tx/0e752c65ebe7d02f30ac06360c381fc312bdaf58b4642306fcf8f97d613b2b5d https://xmrchain.net/tx/96698ccccf839331393471dda8ef9eb3c9de833222e0c583807b414db8d767f1 https://xmrchain.net/tx/081cdab564c38408cd3f060f4f787741e25ab4702704426a2780817c293c5ea2

Please investigate or ask for more details if needed."

After some back and forth the bug was confirmed and version 0.13.0.4 was released https://github.com/monero-project/monero/releases/tag/v0.13.0.4

Normally your wallet will select at least several decoys from the last 24 hours to use as mixins however since the hard fork on October 17th it has not been doing that. It has been selecting mixins from the date you upgraded or downloaded the blockchain (possibly also restarted daemon) and older only. Therefore if your real input was created after the date you upgraded, the real input in your transaction is revealed because all of the mixins your wallet selects will be much older.

Suffice it to say not enough users have upgraded and as time goes on the issue gets worse. Reviewing the Monero blockchain it is clear that not enough people have upgraded which harms the privacy for us all. Here are a few transactions from the mempool:

 

https://xmrchain.net/tx/5d020f4034afd0398c6f70248f1da4d8a35a079f0b26c00fbd4f1cf6a73468af

This user upgraded their wallet on October 23rd, 2018 so the real input is the one on October 30th, 2018.

 

https://xmrchain.net/tx/17d94acf8a9b15854c7628e7387988ed979966152fc4a6501137c3eb454099fc

This user upgraded their wallet on October 18th, 2018. The real input for key image 2 (01) is older than or on October 18th therefore there's no way to know for sure, but the first image the real input is clearly the transaction from October 30th, 2018.

 

https://xmrchain.net/tx/cb79db0d298b5b1df8faf26869f38b59367822710e18843e191d70475fd41b18

This user upgraded their wallet on the 17th clearly. Spot the real input.

 

https://xmrchain.net/tx/5332aa082e4afeba50341bd8f533a1053876422f82e99861cb6f53d2ad829014

Also the 17th.

 

This user seemingly upgraded their wallet to 13.4, no ability to conclusively track https://xmrchain.net/tx/f92529c9d6993dfd4860cc13168d050042f98a9bca4d880b1a31f6917dd1b1f2

 

tl;dr: In many cases it's easy to determine the real input in a ring since the hard fork. UPGRADE YOUR WALLET BECAUSE YOUR'RE HARMING MY PRIVACY USING OLD CLIENTS.

Had this been posted yet? I found this error very strange. But it shows how a blockchain depends on both the miners and the users being always well informed.
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On October 19th I noticed a potential issue with mixin/decoy selection on XMR transactions. I sent the following email to Riccardo Spagni with a CC to luigi1111 on October 20th:

tl;dr: In many cases it's easy to determine the real input in a ring since the hard fork. UPGRADE YOUR WALLET BECAUSE YOUR'RE HARMING MY PRIVACY USING OLD CLIENTS.

Had this been posted yet? I found this error very strange. But it shows how a blockchain depends on both the miners and the users being always well informed.

There is no error. But people should always use the latest version when available or not use it if to lazy to update.

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October 31, 2018, 02:13:51 AM
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On October 19th I noticed a potential issue with mixin/decoy selection on XMR transactions. I sent the following email to Riccardo Spagni with a CC to luigi1111 on October 20th:

tl;dr: In many cases it's easy to determine the real input in a ring since the hard fork. UPGRADE YOUR WALLET BECAUSE YOUR'RE HARMING MY PRIVACY USING OLD CLIENTS.

Had this been posted yet? I found this error very strange. But it shows how a blockchain depends on both the miners and the users being always well informed.

There is no error. But people should always use the latest version when available or not use it if to lazy to update.
You're saying,
"Nothing to see here folks, move along."
NOT.
It's a real bug, a real issue, and lots of people will go on using 13.0.2; many of whom don't know of the update.
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On October 19th I noticed a potential issue with mixin/decoy selection on XMR transactions. I sent the following email to Riccardo Spagni with a CC to luigi1111 on October 20th:

tl;dr: In many cases it's easy to determine the real input in a ring since the hard fork. UPGRADE YOUR WALLET BECAUSE YOUR'RE HARMING MY PRIVACY USING OLD CLIENTS.

Had this been posted yet? I found this error very strange. But it shows how a blockchain depends on both the miners and the users being always well informed.

There is no error. But people should always use the latest version when available or not use it if to lazy to update.
You're saying,
"Nothing to see here folks, move along."
NOT.
It's a real bug, a real issue, and lots of people will go on using 13.0.2; many of whom don't know of the update.

Of course is a real bug. That is why there are upgrades with the bug fixed. It is one of many bugs and many more will come in future.  If I remember right it dont endanger privacy much, since it influences just one  feature that helps Monero be private.

People do need to alway run latest updates. And I am not talkingonly about Monero protocol updates.


What specially bothers me is this:



from here

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/9scymk/post_fork_monero_decoy_is_harming_privacy/

If I understand it right then Monero with this bug still have better privacy then it had a month ago. But it is not as it was planed after fork. 13.0.4 is making it to be as it was planed.

So people that complain right now that others that still use 13.0.2 are endangering their privacy should never use Monero until a week ago, because privacy was worse back then as it is now.

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October 31, 2018, 03:17:34 PM
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Hey folks... it's me, yeah I'm back after vanishing so long ago LOL

Just wanted to pop in and make a post today on the bitcoin white paper's official 10th Birthday... posting in this thread just because overall this thread has always been the place I posted the most in the last several years (hopefully mods won't delete it as off topic?)

Wanted to say also that seems to me today at ten years into this great experiment, and guessing it might take something like twenty years for crypto to really take over as the real new global currency, a little perspective we are about half way to it being all said and done, either total failure or global dominance.

I myself got into this stuff only about 5-ish years ago so I guess I'm personally "halfway thru the halfway", seems like a million years ago LOL

But... yeah... well... that's about it.  Hope y'all doin' well out there.  I'm kinda laying low "out" of day to day worry on all the cryptoshit these days but still hangin' in there for this stuff to have all been actually worthwhile, in the end.

Ciao for Now, bitches!  LOL  Grin  

P.S. Wow... COOL!!!  Looks like my post triggered the top post on the 2000th page!!!  Cheesy

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Hey folks... it's me, yeah I'm back after vanishing so long ago LOL

Just wanted to pop in and make a post today on the bitcoin white paper's official 10th Birthday... posting in this thread just because overall this thread has always been the place I posted the most in the last several years (hopefully mods won't delete it as off topic?)

Wanted to say also that seems to me today at ten years into this great experiment, and guessing it might take something like twenty years for crypto to really take over as the real new global currency, a little perspective we are about half way to it being all said and done, either total failure or global dominance.

I myself got into this stuff only about 5-ish years ago so I guess I'm personally "halfway thru the halfway", seems like a million years ago LOL

But... yeah... well... that's about it.  Hope y'all doin' well out there.  I'm kinda laying low "out" of day to day worry on all the cryptoshit these days but still hangin' in there for this stuff to have all been actually worthwhile, in the end.

Ciao for Now, bitches!  LOL  Grin  

P.S. Wow... COOL!!!  Looks like my post triggered the top post on the 2000th page!!!  Cheesy

Good to see you back - and well done for being top of page 2000.

Surely that's a good omen - stick around, the bear market should be over before too long.


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I'm planning to invest in XMR and ZEC. I think privacy-based projects will be in much better places in the future. Right investments can make good gains over time. XMR is one of the most robust projects in the market.
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October 31, 2018, 09:58:38 PM
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Monero is my favorite project.No one understands the value of Monero.It will be understood in the future how precious privacy is.

What's so special about him? There are many projects with complete anonymity and now they are leaving even more. Then what is the beauty of this project, why do you highlight it to the fore? I saw projects better than Monero.

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Monero is my favorite project.No one understands the value of Monero.It will be understood in the future how precious privacy is.

What's so special about him? There are many projects with complete anonymity and now they are leaving even more. Then what is the beauty of this project, why do you highlight it to the fore? I saw projects better than Monero.

Hey - if you have seen better, fine go buy those, why waste your time on here?  Unless it's for a sig campaign or you're being paid to shill, of course... Wink

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Monero is my favorite project.No one understands the value of Monero.It will be understood in the future how precious privacy is.

What's so special about him? There are many projects with complete anonymity and now they are leaving even more. Then what is the beauty of this project, why do you highlight it to the fore? I saw projects better than Monero.

You had to seen any cryptocurency more private then Monero. And there is no total privacy. That dont exist.

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November 01, 2018, 12:48:21 AM
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Monero $25 Q1 2019.

Mark my words.

Every coin will go back to the price before the summer 2017.

Most investors lost there trust $600 billion dollar money is gone..

600.000 people made 1 million dollar dumped there bags to new crypto users..

Some guys bought monero for $8 end of 2016 and they hold there bags 1 year to dump it and they did it..

Same with ethereum.. I know guys who bought for a couple dollars and dumped there bags for $1000 to the mass.

Its over around 1 million crypto investors dumped all there coins after one year to the mass in december 2017..

That was the best time to get out.
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November 01, 2018, 01:40:36 AM
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Most investors lost there trust $600 billion dollar money is gone..

There never was $600 billion lost (or put) into crypto somewhere in 2017 or 2018. That's not how it works.
You put one real billion of dollars to buy any crypto, you will increase total crypto market cap by much more than one billion.

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November 01, 2018, 07:48:01 AM
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Monero $25 Q1 2019.

Mark my words.

Every coin will go back to the price before the summer 2017.

Most investors lost there trust $600 billion dollar money is gone..

600.000 people made 1 million dollar dumped there bags to new crypto users..

Some guys bought monero for $8 end of 2016 and they hold there bags 1 year to dump it and they did it..

Same with ethereum.. I know guys who bought for a couple dollars and dumped there bags for $1000 to the mass.

Its over around 1 million crypto investors dumped all there coins after one year to the mass in december 2017..

That was the best time to get out.

Wanna bet  Roll Eyes

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November 01, 2018, 08:16:35 AM
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I'm planning to invest in XMR and ZEC. I think privacy-based projects will be in much better places in the future. Right investments can make good gains over time. XMR is one of the most robust projects in the market.

Between ZEC and XMR, definitely go for XMR - real privacy.


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November 01, 2018, 08:53:17 AM
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I'm planning to invest in XMR and ZEC. I think privacy-based projects will be in much better places in the future. Right investments can make good gains over time. XMR is one of the most robust projects in the market.

Between ZEC and XMR, definitely go for XMR - real privacy.



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November 01, 2018, 09:00:13 AM
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Hey folks... it's me, yeah I'm back after vanishing so long ago LOL

Just wanted to pop in and make a post today on the bitcoin white paper's official 10th Birthday... posting in this thread just because overall this thread has always been the place I posted the most in the last several years (hopefully mods won't delete it as off topic?)

Wanted to say also that seems to me today at ten years into this great experiment, and guessing it might take something like twenty years for crypto to really take over as the real new global currency, a little perspective we are about half way to it being all said and done, either total failure or global dominance.

I myself got into this stuff only about 5-ish years ago so I guess I'm personally "halfway thru the halfway", seems like a million years ago LOL

But... yeah... well... that's about it.  Hope y'all doin' well out there.  I'm kinda laying low "out" of day to day worry on all the cryptoshit these days but still hangin' in there for this stuff to have all been actually worthwhile, in the end.

Ciao for Now, bitches!  LOL  Grin  

P.S. Wow... COOL!!!  Looks like my post triggered the top post on the 2000th page!!!  Cheesy

It's not off topic, not to me. Everything owes its life to Bitcoin, and Monero, which got first famous after marketplace operators decided to adopt it, should recall that these marketplaces and traders first used Bitcoin. If not for all the inabilities of Bitcoin to provide private transactions, there also wouldn't have been a use case for Monero.

20 years you say? I think even more. But quietly, the revolution and experiment is progressing. 2000th page! Long live Monero!

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November 01, 2018, 09:46:14 AM
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Wanna bet  Roll Eyes

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November 01, 2018, 10:10:02 AM
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Jopidopi, that's the way to go  Grin

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November 01, 2018, 01:24:16 PM
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Monero $25 Q1 2019.

There are many older traders that belives crypto bottom is still ahead of us.  I belive in that less and less, but yes thee is still quite a chance for bottom in Q1 of 2017.   But. BTC cant go down much more. Monero will go down only as much as BTC, no more.  In case of Crypto bottom Monero will be safest bet beside BTC. All other coins will lose way more.  Beside that I am quite positive that Monero will be worth more 1 year from now in both USD and BTC.   Uh and I also said long time ago that Monero will not go under $50.

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November 01, 2018, 01:48:44 PM
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Monero $25 Q1 2019.

Mark my words.


Wow.  You really think people are gonna believe an obvious sock puppet like you...?  Then you're scamming yourself buddy.  You need a new strategy. 

And I love the emphasis on 'mark my words'.  I'll give it a D for effort.  Cheesy

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