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Author Topic: SatoshiDICE.com - The World's Most Popular Bitcoin Game  (Read 495439 times)
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September 07, 2012, 07:37:04 PM
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What would be the point to this transaction?

https://blockchain.info/tx/64d94585c89212b55519b2475581bac415cd60c98ee206e643e09bf53b728b9e

It's a 79,956 BTC bet to the "less-than-1" pool (64000x multiplier), which has a much lower max-bet anyway..

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September 07, 2012, 09:56:46 PM
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What would be the point to this transaction?

https://blockchain.info/tx/64d94585c89212b55519b2475581bac415cd60c98ee206e643e09bf53b728b9e

It's a 79,956 BTC bet to the "less-than-1" pool (64000x multiplier), which has a much lower max-bet anyway..


Well ... other than the fact that the transaction number you put there doesn't exist ...
If anyone did do such a thing they would just be sent back the BTC to the address it came from.

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September 09, 2012, 03:51:53 AM
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These bets showed up in the block chain but the payments have not:

1, 2, 3, 4

Could you please release the payments.   They represent my entire gambling bank roll.
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September 09, 2012, 04:06:43 AM
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I also had 6-7 transactions that did not show up, which I PMed you.
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September 09, 2012, 11:18:58 AM
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What's up with the "stuck" payments the past 24 hours or so?

I have several wins that have yet to be paid out, status is stuck at "Unknown" for quite some time now!?

If you need a list of the wagers I can PM you, here is one of them for example though:
http://www.satoshidice.com/full.php?tx=6ca709c99ac457565730a92669c445c3dc9bd98889bf3ea14d84b3402316e4a5
http://www.satoshidice.com/full.php?tx=abafc8a225808c9e2b8b0fe9d056d5163f9433731a810235a2f8026f53bccc88
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September 10, 2012, 01:23:13 AM
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Still waiting on the payments :/
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September 10, 2012, 03:29:26 PM
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What would be the point to this transaction?

https://blockchain.info/tx/64d94585c89212b55519b2475581bac415cd60c98ee206e643e09bf53b728b9e

It's a 79,956 BTC bet to the "less-than-1" pool (64000x multiplier), which has a much lower max-bet anyway..


Well ... other than the fact that the transaction number you put there doesn't exist ...
If anyone did do such a thing they would just be sent back the BTC to the address it came from.

Very odd.. it -did- exist... for a while it was on the largest transactions page of blockchain.info, and that TX-ID was it. Odd.
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September 10, 2012, 03:40:48 PM
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What would be the point to this transaction?

https://blockchain.info/tx/64d94585c89212b55519b2475581bac415cd60c98ee206e643e09bf53b728b9e

It's a 79,956 BTC bet to the "less-than-1" pool (64000x multiplier), which has a much lower max-bet anyway..


Well ... other than the fact that the transaction number you put there doesn't exist ...
If anyone did do such a thing they would just be sent back the BTC to the address it came from.

Very odd.. it -did- exist... for a while it was on the largest transactions page of blockchain.info, and that TX-ID was it. Odd.

Hmm - then there must have been something wrong with it.
... or more likely a fake transaction?

I'm not sure of blockchain.info's rules about showing transactions.
It shows more info than a normal bitcoind and I suspect that may be due to it relaxing some of the rules so that more information is available and stored.

I searched for d94585 in both of my bitcoind debug logs and neither of them ever even saw the transaction in the last 3 weeks.

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Last edit: September 11, 2012, 12:28:24 AM by sgravina
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Is this the support for SatoshiDice?

Here is 16.44 BTC in bets that SatoshiDice has not payed.  I am owed 9.26065028 BTC.

http://blockchain.info/tx-index/19499565/4eff617a751f4491a5a574c64566f81e908ba02e3629a58351c09aa4f07c88f4
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/19499561/78b91ea38c59cc5170646591a85c9e8b9eec53929b8fe637d787fcc49bbf5cab
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/19499559/9c4fa836c663f53c1faf55a09300c50f5860b30911932766b7a6a0ec5e9add24
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/19499553/a8e31d290a516a51c85c5e906309ba736d38988c8967c6ecf014da3ed8e99aa9

It's been 2 days now.  Please pay.
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September 11, 2012, 04:25:27 PM
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I also have an payment which is in the UNKNOWN status since yesterday..   can you please check it out?

http://www.satoshidice.com/full.php?tx=7a1b4e1101385046795ef4518e6f037a35fab939c102faf72e9461fa11df6385

i also posted this on twitter.. but didnt get a response yet .. so im posting this here

thank you! Smiley
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September 12, 2012, 01:46:11 AM
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SatoshiDice is now provably unfair.  It has been 3 days since these bets were made.

There is no mechanism for reclaiming my bets.  I think I have just been ripped off.  That is not so bad though.  In the long run I will lose a lot less bitcoins by not playing.
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September 12, 2012, 04:20:36 AM
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SatoshiDice is now provably unfair.  It has been 3 days since these bets were made.

There is no mechanism for reclaiming my bets.  I think I have just been ripped off.  That is not so bad though.  In the long run I will lose a lot less bitcoins by not playing.

This happens periodically.  A bunch of bets get 'stuck', a bunch of people get upset and complain loudly.  Mem updates his list of gambling sites to say that SD is 'pending'.

Then Erik finally notices all the complaints and pushes through the stuck bets, saying "this happens sometimes".

I don't know why they don't fix the problem so this *doesn't* happen sometimes.  It's easy enough to scan the blockchain for SD bets which haven't been spent making SD payouts.

There are quite a few piled up at the moment.  Here's a list (txid, block number, date, bet amount, bet address, return address):

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09616eca611bf911e180d38acf7f879e8b223843574d1e92aa6156d690b70f79   198004 07:18:26 Sep-09-12         0.10000000 1dicec9k 19a3jjYmBfS9kuxshYrRP4v2kGn3WbHebW
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f4d4f249d5d8f01c80190be5cccbba7cf4b6724744949b64821a1430a7ec3c87   198214 16:06:06 Sep-10-12         0.05000000 1dice8EM 14gLHtNQiHVgFHRrsLqGuznUUmrSvLBFmq
726b1610860b52db64719370069d7009ae8a1daab089c9b7cdac9082949d9248   198214 16:06:06 Sep-10-12         0.10000000 1dice7fU 123456gm99vaRSDZ9Ha4yv1B6keQbNiEEZ
d7dea336d56b054d05038348a5c3b379f510630278ae2c72731ce80591579f6f   198214 16:06:06 Sep-10-12         0.02000000 1dice97E 1MWzPxAabWYCHNhHiqZcJo5W3aRRiU5xrf
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86891c3bf912546ec217f735cc0a6f5176b769c73945f9e06ebcce8b3dbdc5c8   198214 16:06:06 Sep-10-12         2.85000000 1dice7fU 13S8oztsdAJK1j1zQtS3dnMwheaCnKFCyf
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74902b48542c2bb00991b2ce0b18cc0bf7183511cee2ca836b87d15350482ce9   198215 16:27:09 Sep-10-12         0.10000000 1dice7fU 123456gm99vaRSDZ9Ha4yv1B6keQbNiEEZ
74902b48542c2bb00991b2ce0b18cc0bf7183511cee2ca836b87d15350482ce9   198215 16:27:09 Sep-10-12         0.10000000 1dice6Yg 123456gm99vaRSDZ9Ha4yv1B6keQbNiEEZ
16adb9447518ef56c75f8c03628464df2da8801c4d8402346fb90924a07849a9   198216 16:27:40 Sep-10-12         8.00000000 1dice97E 19NZ7wsmquWDAZYX1LKCBkSUyKoWCW3L74
7a1b4e1101385046795ef4518e6f037a35fab939c102faf72e9461fa11df6385   198216 16:27:40 Sep-10-12        15.97772749 1dicegEA 1BLitZGYgERqp1NUgnHLBSfEng6QmZaWKe
c558df5daccee9269c84a243bfbec0bac26f68ce4d49e4a931c9e8e6c8ab4ac1   198230 18:15:09 Sep-10-12         0.65000000 1dice97E 1Ddq6ashcgJh4Qe4NK9F1sefh1RePfnLaW
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fab8b9c0e1f8a57244412dd08d2d8ec5088e3e5893b99ed3fbdd01a31900b876   198373 17:34:59 Sep-11-12         0.00229408 1dice8EM 198EUfhnHWahzLhibnQ9QWHTatRGTdndLx

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September 12, 2012, 05:12:18 AM
 #693

SatoshiDice is now provably unfair.  It has been 3 days since these bets were made.

There is no mechanism for reclaiming my bets.  I think I have just been ripped off.  That is not so bad though.  In the long run I will lose a lot less bitcoins by not playing.

This happens periodically.  A bunch of bets get 'stuck', a bunch of people get upset and complain loudly.  Mem updates his list of gambling sites to say that SD is 'pending'.

Then Erik finally notices all the complaints and pushes through the stuck bets, saying "this happens sometimes".

I don't know why they don't fix the problem so this *doesn't* happen sometimes.  It's easy enough to scan the blockchain for SD bets which haven't been spent making SD payouts.

There are quite a few piled up at the moment.  Here's a list (txid, block number, date, bet amount, bet address, return address):

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oh nice list!  Im not so worried about getting paid... im just waiting for the coins Wink  just guess which one is *my* bet in all of those.. haha.. and you'll know why im eager to get my bet back Tongue
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September 12, 2012, 05:30:03 AM
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7a1b4e1101385046795ef4518e6f037a35fab939c102faf72e9461fa11df6385   198216 16:27:40 Sep-10-12        15.97772749 1dicegEA 1BLitZGYgERqp1NUgnHLBSfEng6QmZaWKe

oh nice list!  Im not so worried about getting paid... im just waiting for the coins Wink  just guess which one is *my* bet in all of those.. haha.. and you'll know why im eager to get my bet back Tongue

Did I guess right?  It's the biggest bet, and the return address has 'blitz' in it...  Looks like a 1.147x win = 18 BTC for you.

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September 12, 2012, 08:34:00 AM
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I've just won a standard bet (85.4492%) and the payout doesnt seem quite right:

Bet placed was: BTC0.002 (0.0025 with fee)
Winning payout: BTC0.00179439

Bit confused why this is less than the original bet when i won?

http://satoshidice.com/full.php?tx=67d4128a291f3fd10692e70ce26e19f3c8167df0651ea9c46fc6019645b8a5d9

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September 12, 2012, 10:31:38 AM
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I've just won a standard bet (85.4492%) and the payout doesnt seem quite right:

Bet placed was: BTC0.002 (0.0025 with fee)
Winning payout: BTC0.00179439

Bit confused why this is less than the original bet when i won?

http://satoshidice.com/full.php?tx=67d4128a291f3fd10692e70ce26e19f3c8167df0651ea9c46fc6019645b8a5d9

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without doing any math that is a bit above my head anyway - it's probably a combination of the odds and the fee. with such a small bet it may have gone a bit wonky though, fee wise. i'm no expert in this subject.

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September 12, 2012, 03:21:25 PM
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I now have 3 transactions that are unknown!   I hope this will get solved soon...  its strange that it only seems to be my big winning bets that are blocking  Undecided 

http://www.satoshidice.com/full.php?tx=7a1b4e1101385046795ef4518e6f037a35fab939c102faf72e9461fa11df6385
http://www.satoshidice.com/full.php?tx=a4eb369ffde29a3cd83b94d52480876024f1da40ad0e4f1571e87f0bdfc76f0f
http://www.satoshidice.com/full.php?tx=4d773e005cb9f48336d02f7f81218044da3dace275b11a86e6e5767148114856

for a total of about 42 bitcoins!  thats alot of money that I currently cant use...  why does it take so long for him to fix those?
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September 13, 2012, 04:49:55 AM
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its strange that it only seems to be my big winning bets that are blocking  Undecided 

I think there's a reason for that.  When you lose, the only input required to 'pay you out' is your own bet.  You know you didn't double-spend your bet, so the payout goes through quickly.

When you win, however, your payout is made up of your bet plus lots of bits of change that SD had in their wallet after paying out losing bets.  That change depends on the losing bets themselves not being double spent.  If any of the losing bets turns out not to be valid then the change from paying them out also won't be valid, and so your winning payout also won't be valid, since it depends indirectly on a double-spent losing bet.

The bigger your win, the more inputs it's likely to take to make the payout, and so the more chance you have of your payout depending on an invalid coin.

So SD's wallet will contain a bunch of transactions that they think are valid, but which will never confirm.  That's probably why it takes so long for these bets to get paid out - someone has to go in and manually tidy up the wallet.

I'm only guessing about all this, based on what I can see in the blockchain.  But I expect it's not too far from the truth.

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September 13, 2012, 05:13:05 AM
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yeah I guess that makes alot of sense! I guess im just eager to get my winnings! 

I don't know if I'm really lucky but all in all with SD and BTCDice I have won about 83btc  Smiley
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September 13, 2012, 05:40:11 AM
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its strange that it only seems to be my big winning bets that are blocking  Undecided 

I think there's a reason for that.  When you lose, the only input required to 'pay you out' is your own bet.  You know you didn't double-spend your bet, so the payout goes through quickly.

When you win, however, your payout is made up of your bet plus lots of bits of change that SD had in their wallet after paying out losing bets.  That change depends on the losing bets themselves not being double spent.  If any of the losing bets turns out not to be valid then the change from paying them out also won't be valid, and so your winning payout also won't be valid, since it depends indirectly on a double-spent losing bet.

The bigger your win, the more inputs it's likely to take to make the payout, and so the more chance you have of your payout depending on an invalid coin.

So SD's wallet will contain a bunch of transactions that they think are valid, but which will never confirm.  That's probably why it takes so long for these bets to get paid out - someone has to go in and manually tidy up the wallet.

I'm only guessing about all this, based on what I can see in the blockchain.  But I expect it's not too far from the truth.
Hopefully - not the excuse.
That's just a design flaw your talking about there which I doubt is part of SD ...

If there is a double spend, for the 2nd transaction that doesn't get into a block, all the transactions based on it will NEVER get into a block.
You can't 'fix' a transaction, you can only create a different one that then new transactions can build upon.

If the design flaw is there in SD, then it will be identified by the transaction number of the winning payment changing to a new transaction (though it can change for other reasons)

You can, however, detect the cause of the problem - follow the transaction tree back and look for 2 that use the same source - one will be in a block and the other will be a pending/orphan transaction
or, follow the transaction tree back and look for transactions that don't exist any more.

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