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Author Topic: KanoPool since 2014 🐈 - PPLNS and Solo 0.5% fee - Worldwide - 2436 blocks  (Read 5350267 times)
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May 05, 2016, 11:49:56 PM
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another stale/orphan?

It says it was mined by DiscusFish / F2Pool. Sad

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May 05, 2016, 11:51:29 PM
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another stale/orphan?

It says it was mined by DiscusFish / F2Pool. Sad

Looks like the case.
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May 05, 2016, 11:52:01 PM
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Blockchain has it as Kano, Blocktrail as DiscusFish / F2Pool Smiley
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May 05, 2016, 11:52:11 PM
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Crap

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May 05, 2016, 11:52:24 PM
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You know what I do with fish??  I gut 'em....  Angry

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May 05, 2016, 11:55:09 PM
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Blockchain has it as Kano, Blocktrail as DiscusFish / F2Pool Smiley
If you open the block page on blockchain its says orphaned
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May 05, 2016, 11:55:59 PM
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Blockchain has it as Kano, Blocktrail as DiscusFish / F2Pool Smiley
If you open the block page on blockchain its says orphaned


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May 05, 2016, 11:57:38 PM
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I look forward to seeing the propagation stats on this one especially if there any available from the new chinese node.
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May 05, 2016, 11:57:54 PM
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Blockchain has it as Kano, Blocktrail as DiscusFish / F2Pool Smiley

Since f2pool hit the following block they win...
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May 06, 2016, 12:07:08 AM
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Something stinks

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May 06, 2016, 12:09:55 AM
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Something stinks

Agreed
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May 06, 2016, 12:10:31 AM
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Blockchain has it as Kano, Blocktrail as DiscusFish / F2Pool Smiley

Since f2pool hit the following block they win...
Arrgh! Angry
To self: Ok...practice what I preach....must have patience.
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May 06, 2016, 12:16:20 AM
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Kano, how close was this one?

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May 06, 2016, 12:18:33 AM
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2 orpahns  Cry what is happening. So unlucky.

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May 06, 2016, 12:28:55 AM
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These orphans are arguments against block size increases.  Larger blocks will mean slower propagation which means the chinese pools will actually do this even more than they already do (as long as they continue to monopolize the network hashrate the way they do now anyway).
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May 06, 2016, 12:37:47 AM
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2 orpahns  Cry what is happening. So unlucky.

This is second time I recall we lost an orphan race since the pool that was again us found the next block in the chain.

This is pure badluck.
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May 06, 2016, 12:41:53 AM
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Need some blocks!

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May 06, 2016, 12:42:49 AM
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So ... ... fuck, crap, &#$^*# *(#$&*(&$(* (*#&$(* &#*(&$ #( (*#&*( $&(*#, someone find something I can kill ... ... ... ...

OK, now for the details.

The CN node did indeed do it's work properly.
But that still wasn't good enough.

Every single relay shows our block before the f2pool block, even the CN relay.
Every single relay shows our block sent back to us before the f2pool block, even the CN relay.
... the us relays don't show us sending it to the relay coz the solo pool did that faster.

Our time to process the block was 280ms.

I've shortened all the block hashes below to 4 zeros and 4 hex since that's enough to see which is which.

00003e80 is 410418 BTCC in china - all pools worked on this block

*00002b07* is 410419 our block

-00001f67- is 410419 FUPool
00003007 is 410420 FUPool confirming their block

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bjs [2016-05-05 23:35:17.374+00] 00003e80 recv'd, size 989168 with 6717 bytes on the wire
bjs [2016-05-05 23:38:01.073+00] *00002b07* sent, size 985717 with 37638 bytes on the wire
bjs [2016-05-05 23:38:01.209+00] *00002b07* recv'd, size 985693 with 37546 bytes on the wire
bjs [2016-05-05 23:38:02.227+00] -00001f67- recv'd, size 989649 with 935353 bytes on the wire
bjs [2016-05-05 23:44:40.138+00] 00003007 recv'd, size 755724 with 4191 bytes on the wire

jpy [2016-05-05 23:35:17.561+00] 00003e80 recv'd, size 989168 with 6717 bytes on the wire
jpy [2016-05-05 23:38:01.122+00] *00002b07* sent, size 985717 with 37638 bytes on the wire
jpy [2016-05-05 23:38:01.291+00] *00002b07* recv'd, size 985693 with 37546 bytes on the wire
jpy [2016-05-05 23:38:08.164+00] -00001f67- recv'd, size 989649 with 935353 bytes on the wire
jpy [2016-05-05 23:44:40.200+00] 00003007 recv'd, size 755724 with 4191 bytes on the wire

eu [2016-05-05 23:35:17.641+00] 00003e80 recv'd, size 989168 with 6717 bytes on the wire
eu [2016-05-05 23:38:01.118+00] *00002b07* sent, size 985717 with 37638 bytes on the wire
eu [2016-05-05 23:38:01.163+00] *00002b07* recv'd, size 985693 with 37546 bytes on the wire
eu [2016-05-05 23:38:05.960+00] -00001f67- recv'd, size 989649 with 935353 bytes on the wire
eu [2016-05-05 23:44:40.240+00] 00003007 recv'd, size 755724 with 4191 bytes on the wire

us-east [2016-05-05 23:35:17.741+00] 00003e80 recv'd, size 989168 with 6717 bytes on the wire
us-east [2016-05-05 23:38:01.601+00] *00002b07* recv'd, size 985693 with 37546 bytes on the wire
us-east [2016-05-05 23:38:08.310+00] -00001f67- recv'd, size 989649 with 935353 bytes on the wire
us-east [2016-05-05 23:44:40.268+00] 00003007 recv'd, size 755724 with 4191 bytes on the wire

us-west [2016-05-05 23:35:17.741+00] 00003e80 recv'd, size 989168 with 6717 bytes on the wire
us-west [2016-05-05 23:38:01.601+00] *00002b07* recv'd, size 985693 with 37546 bytes on the wire
us-west [2016-05-05 23:38:08.310+00] -00001f67- recv'd, size 989649 with 935353 bytes on the wire
us-west [2016-05-05 23:44:40.268+00] 00003007 recv'd, size 755724 with 4191 bytes on the wire

The winner was of course decided by the next block (00003007), but the problem is: why was FUPool not working on our block?

So basically the cause was one or more of the following:
FUPool is REAL slow getting their blocks to the CN relay.
FUPool works on their own blocks after they see other pool blocks if they are found soon after.
FUPool had most of their 410419 block transactions not in the relay so was really slow getting their block into the relay (compression was almost zero as you can see) Edit: but I don't think this is it coz it was prolly the relay did that coz it already had our block using the transactions.

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May 06, 2016, 12:49:06 AM
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So ... ... fuck, crap, &#$^*# *(#$&*(&$(* (*#&$(* &#*(&$ #( (*#&*( $&(*#, someone find something I can kill ... ... ... ...

OK, now for the details.

The CN node did indeed do it's work properly.
But that still wasn't good enough.

Every single relay shows our block before the f2pool block, even the CN relay.
Every single relay shows our block sent back to us before the f2pool block, even the CN relay.
... the us relays don't show us sending it to the relay coz the solo pool did that faster.

Our time to process the block was 280ms.

I've shortened all the block hashes below to 4 zeros and 4 hex since that's enough to see which is which.

00003e80 is 410418 BTCC in china - all pools worked on this block

*00002b07* is 410419 our block

-00001f67- is 410419 FUPool
00003007 is 410420 FUPool confirming their block
Code:
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The winner was of course decided by the next block (00003007), but the problem is: why was FUPool not working on our block?

So basically the cause was one or more of the following:
FUPool is REAL slow getting their blocks to the CN relay.
FUPool works on their own blocks after they see other pool blocks if they are found soon after.
FUPool had most of their 410419 block transactions not in the relay so was really slow getting their block into the relay (compression was almost zero as you can see)

This could kill BTC very dead very soon.  If they get much bigger they will do it more often then every hundred blocks or so.

 Oh well.  the bolded one I see as true cheating.

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May 06, 2016, 12:55:32 AM
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I agree with the argument that pools shouldn't exceed 10% of the network. But in situations like this, the argument can be made that a large pool outside of cn is needed.
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