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But that proves nothing. They can pick any number they want with any hash they want. You place your bet they use some hash that will screw you.
You're not getting it. They picked all the daily secrets before starting operations, and published all the hashes then too. So the day after you bet, they reveal the secret they used, and you can verify that its hash matches the hash they published months ago. That means they used the secret they made up months ago (or they've cracked the hash, in which case there's much bigger money to be made elsewhere). In addition to that, they use the same secret for everyone - they only use one secret per day. So even if they did have some way of switching secrets 'at the last minute', they'd have to find one that screwed you, but which also didn't change the result of any of the bets they'd already processed that day. If I was you I would read up on how it works and see if you can think of any way they could be cheating. It's easy to say "they can pick any number they want" when you don't understand how things work. But if you can make such a statement once you understand the mechanics of it, that would be interesting.
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Address Target Should Win | #Bets | Win | Lose | Refunds | BTC In | BTC Out | Refund | Profit | RTP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1dice1e6p 1 0.00002 | 29747 | 0 (0.00000) | 29362 | 385 | 219.97 | 0.01 | 33.93 | 219.95 | 0.009 1dice1Qf4 2 0.00003 | 1993 | 0 (0.00000) | 1914 | 79 | 28.62 | 0.00 | 9.28 | 28.62 | 0.006 1dice2pxm 4 0.00006 | 3045 | 0 (0.00000) | 3007 | 38 | 39.11 | 0.03 | 4.42 | 39.08 | 0.080 1dice2vQo 8 0.00012 | 3713 | 2 (0.00055) | 3667 | 44 | 67.20 | 16.06 | 5.65 | 51.13 | 23.907 1dice2WmR 16 0.00024 | 5212 | 1 (0.00019) | 5173 | 38 | 153.33 | 4.28 | 8.40 | 149.05 | 2.793 1dice2xkj 32 0.00049 | 6928 | 3 (0.00043) | 6913 | 12 | 454.97 | 303.33 | 1.29 | 151.63 | 66.671 1dice2zdo 64 0.00098 | 8649 | 8 (0.00093) | 8619 | 22 | 711.61 | 124.51 | 55.64 | 587.09 | 17.498 1dice37Ee 128 0.00195 | 10741 | 19 (0.00178) | 10666 | 56 | 1636.32 | 1274.70 | 44.25 | 361.62 | 77.900 1dice3jkp 256 0.00391 | 11992 | 55 (0.00459) | 11923 | 14 | 1835.10 | 2621.89 | 13.11 | -786.79 | 142.875 1dice4J1m 512 0.00781 | 18501 | 141 (0.00763) | 18349 | 11 | 3478.85 | 3182.70 | 9.35 | 296.15 | 91.487 1dice5wwE 1000 0.01526 | 38160 | 581 (0.01523) | 37566 | 13 | 9814.92 | 9393.80 | 1.80 | 421.11 | 95.709 1dice61SN 1500 0.02289 | 17253 | 405 (0.02349) | 16840 | 8 | 5571.65 | 5735.10 | 15.00 | -163.44 | 102.933 1dice6DPt 2000 0.03052 | 24954 | 787 (0.03154) | 24163 | 4 | 6340.89 | 5951.36 | 9.24 | 389.53 | 93.857 1dice6gJg 3000 0.04578 | 17760 | 825 (0.04647) | 16927 | 8 | 7665.19 | 9067.14 | 24.99 | -1401.94 | 118.290 1dice6GV5 4000 0.06104 | 17517 | 1094 (0.06247) | 16419 | 4 | 5064.18 | 4664.74 | 31.20 | 399.43 | 92.113 1dice6wBx 6000 0.09155 | 23549 | 2206 (0.09375) | 21324 | 19 | 10872.82 | 10977.80 | 7.01 | -104.97 | 100.965 1dice6YgE 8000 0.12207 | 94669 | 11624 (0.12282) | 83022 | 23 | 12836.25 | 11281.69 | 0.00 | 1554.56 | 87.889 1dice7EYz 12000 0.18311 | 23952 | 4471 (0.18677) | 19467 | 14 | 9303.66 | 9540.56 | 14.50 | -236.89 | 102.546 1dice7fUk 16000 0.24414 | 105430 | 25724 (0.24405) | 79682 | 24 | 63011.70 | 61060.32 | 347.79 | 1951.37 | 96.903 1dice7W2A 24000 0.36621 | 73925 | 27154 (0.36756) | 46723 | 48 | 46277.60 | 46263.11 | 212.64 | 14.49 | 99.969 1dice8EMZ 32000 0.48828 | 633365 | 309298 (0.48869) | 323618 | 449 | 364264.42 | 361212.08 | 2173.41 | 3052.34 | 99.162 1dice97EC 32768 0.50000 | 221931 | 110733 (0.49938) | 111009 | 189 | 211287.81 | 208237.95 | 1295.22 | 3049.85 | 98.557 1dice9wcM 48000 0.73242 | 166431 | 122429 (0.73597) | 43922 | 80 | 164390.76 | 162577.17 | 467.98 | 1813.59 | 98.897 1dicec9k7 52000 0.79346 | 16221 | 12912 (0.79640) | 3301 | 8 | 24684.02 | 24500.58 | 400.00 | 183.43 | 99.257 1dicegEAr 56000 0.85449 | 15254 | 13063 (0.85766) | 2168 | 23 | 22331.64 | 22038.86 | 400.00 | 292.78 | 98.689 1diceDCd2 60000 0.91553 | 7492 | 6860 (0.91650) | 625 | 7 | 16770.74 | 16829.78 | 0.00 | -59.03 | 100.352 1dice9wVt 64000 0.97656 | 8073 | 7766 (0.97994) | 159 | 148 | 16621.65 | 16340.57 | 239.21 | 281.08 | 98.309 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- small (bets < 4 BTC) | 1555360 | 632443 | 921358 | 1559 | 385480.23 | 377613.76 | 152.08 | 7866.47 | 97.959 big (bets >= 4 BTC) | 51097 | 25718 | 25170 | 209 | 620254.88 | 615586.46 | 5673.35 | 4668.41 | 99.247 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 1606457 | 658161 | 946528 | 1768 | 1005735.12 | 993200.23 | 5825.44 | 12534.89 | 98.754 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SD Profit before fees: 12534.89025942 BTC (1.246%) Cumulative Fees Paid: 809.38590000 BTC SD Profit after fees: 11725.50435942 BTC (1.166%) ---- Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been: Blockchain Tx: 5393009 : SatoshiDice Tx: 2984165 (55.3%) Blockchain MB: 2263.8 : SatoshiDice Tx: 1218.0 (53.8%) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FqUXP1.png&t=665&c=rc_-gUsSsYroFg)
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October 23, 2012, 06:55:37 PM |
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But that proves nothing. They can pick any number they want with any hash they want. You place your bet they use some hash that will screw you. The hashes for the secret number of each day for the next (1000?) days has been published in advance. Thus you can verify after the fact verify the secret number for your day is indeed the one which produces the hash for that day and thus the secret number wasn't changed to "screw you".
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October 23, 2012, 07:41:06 PM |
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But that proves nothing. They can pick any number they want with any hash they want. You place your bet they use some hash that will screw you. The hashes for the secret number of each day for the next (1000?) days has been published in advance. Thus you can verify after the fact verify the secret number for your day is indeed the one which produces the hash for that day and thus the secret number wasn't changed to "screw you". It's possible to make a few small bets if outcome for a gambler is too good. No... Seems it's impossible. EDIT: Anyway they get their 1.9%, so there is no reason to cheat.
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October 23, 2012, 08:31:10 PM |
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But that proves nothing. They can pick any number they want with any hash they want. You place your bet they use some hash that will screw you. The hashes for the secret number of each day for the next (1000?) days has been published in advance. Thus you can verify after the fact verify the secret number for your day is indeed the one which produces the hash for that day and thus the secret number wasn't changed to "screw you". What im saying is it doesnt matter what the secret number is since it has to correspond with the hash. The hash is after you place the bet. Obviously. Where does this hash come from? A random draw?
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October 23, 2012, 09:16:01 PM |
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But that proves nothing. They can pick any number they want with any hash they want. You place your bet they use some hash that will screw you. The hashes for the secret number of each day for the next (1000?) days has been published in advance. Thus you can verify after the fact verify the secret number for your day is indeed the one which produces the hash for that day and thus the secret number wasn't changed to "screw you". What im saying is it doesnt matter what the secret number is since it has to correspond with the hash. The hash is after you place the bet. Obviously. Where does this hash come from? A random draw? No the hash is a HASH of the secret number. A hash isn't random. The SECRET NUMBER is random and then the hash is computed and provided ahead of time. It is proof of the secret number without revealing the secret number. When the secret number is revealed you can hash it yourself and verify it hasn't been changed. THE HASH OF THE SECRET NUMBER IS PROVIDED BEFORE YOU PLACE A BEST. BEFORE ANYONE ON THE PLANET EVER PLACED ANY BETS.
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October 23, 2012, 09:23:34 PM |
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But that proves nothing. They can pick any number they want with any hash they want. You place your bet they use some hash that will screw you. The hashes for the secret number of each day for the next (1000?) days has been published in advance. Thus you can verify after the fact verify the secret number for your day is indeed the one which produces the hash for that day and thus the secret number wasn't changed to "screw you". What im saying is it doesnt matter what the secret number is since it has to correspond with the hash. The hash is after you place the bet. Obviously. Where does this hash come from? A random draw? No the hash is a HASH of the secret number. A hash isn't random. The SECRET NUMBER is random and then the hash is computed and provided ahead of time. It is proof of the secret number without revealing the secret number. When the secret number is revealed you can hash it yourself and verify it hasn't been changed. THE HASH OF THE SECRET NUMBER IS PROVIDED BEFORE YOU PLACE A BEST. BEFORE ANYONE ON THE PLANET EVER PLACED ANY BETS.I understand but it assigns a "lucky" number to my bet. All of this "ahead of time" nonsense doesnt mean anything. It isnt picking my number before i bet. The lucky number however it comes about is assigned once i place my bet not before i place it..
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October 23, 2012, 09:39:15 PM |
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ryan, the lucky number is calculated in a deterministic (non-random) way from two things: * satoshidice secret (chosen in advance and fixed; becomes known later) * your transaction id (chosen by you)
There is nothing satoshidice can do to change the outcome. If anything, it is you who could be cheating by choosing good transaction ids (if you knew their secret).
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October 23, 2012, 10:05:14 PM |
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ryan, the lucky number is calculated in a deterministic (non-random) way from two things: * satoshidice secret (chosen in advance and fixed; becomes known later) * your transaction id (chosen by you)
There is nothing satoshidice can do to change the outcome. If anything, it is you who could be cheating by choosing good transaction ids (if you knew their secret).
Ok im so conufsed with this then. How can i chose my transaction ID? All i do is open my wallet and copy and paste the address in which i want to send the corresponding bet to. Where is it that im chosing the ID? CAn you explain step by step what happens right before i place my bet so I can understand it more?
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Ok im so conufsed with this then. How can i chose my transaction ID? All i do is open my wallet and copy and paste the address in which i want to send the corresponding bet to. Where is it that im chosing the ID? CAn you explain step by step what happens right before i place my bet so I can understand it more?
Your transaction ID is computed from all of your transaction data, including: * Inputs (the source of the coins you're spending) * Destination addresses and amounts * Your signature (apparently containing some randomness chosen by you) All of these (except the destination address obv.) are provided by you or by your bitcoin client on your behalf when you create a transaction. So when you click "send" in your wallet, your client fills in the transaction details you didn't explicitly specify and the result determines the transaction ID. You can play with transaction IDs using, for example, the brainwallet.org Transactions page. There you can see your transaction ID even before you send the transaction and you can avoid sending it if you don't like the ID. Transaction ID is also called transaction hash (because it is hash of all of the transaction data), and is displayed under "hash" field in brainwallet.org UI.
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October 23, 2012, 11:46:31 PM |
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What im saying is it doesnt matter what the secret number is since it has to correspond with the hash. The hash is after you place the bet. Obviously. Where does this hash come from? A random draw?
I think you're confusing two hashes. There's: * The hash of the day's secret number. It was published months ago and won't change. * The hash of your bet transaction, also known as the transaction ID. It is created (by your client, not by SatoshiDice) when you make a payment. It doesn't change. Ok im so conufsed with this then. How can i chose my transaction ID? All i do is open my wallet and copy and paste the address in which i want to send the corresponding bet to. Where is it that im chosing the ID? CAn you explain step by step what happens right before i place my bet so I can understand it more?
You get to pick your transaction ID if you want to, as follows: 1. back up your wallet.dat file 2. turn off your Internet connection 3. tell your wallet to send a bet to SD 4. check the transaction ID 5. if you don't like it, quit the wallet program, restore your wallet.dat from the backup, restart the wallet program, and go back to step 3, but add 1 satoshi to the bet amount. that will cause a completely different transaction ID to be used 6. turn your Internet connection back on 7. wait for the wallet to send the transaction (only the most recent one, whose txid you liked) out to the network There's no point doing any of this if you don't know the daily secret, because you can't tell with txid values to "like" - you would want to like just the ones that are going to win, but you can't tell that without the secret, which you won't know until tomorrow. You usually just create a transaction and instantly broadcast it, but using the steps above it's possible to check the txid before broadcasting it, and delete (by restoring a backup) the transaction so nobody but you ever knows you made it.
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Well i havent been paid for a 2 btc bet i won over an hour ago. Still says unknown but has paid a bunch of others bets i have done. What do I do? This game has taken enough from me i dont need to take shit i also won.
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Well i havent been paid for a 2 btc bet i won over an hour ago. Still says unknown but has paid a bunch of others bets i have done. What do I do? This game has taken enough from me i dont need to take shit i also won.
It happens occasionally. It doesn't appear that making a fuss helps get it resolved any quicker unfortunately, though you could try that. All bets get paid out eventually, but I've seen it take 2 or 3 days before.
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October 24, 2012, 01:32:47 AM |
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Well i havent been paid for a 2 btc bet i won over an hour ago. Still says unknown but has paid a bunch of others bets i have done. What do I do? This game has taken enough from me i dont need to take shit i also won.
It happens occasionally. It doesn't appear that making a fuss helps get it resolved any quicker unfortunately, though you could try that. All bets get paid out eventually, but I've seen it take 2 or 3 days before. Who can i contact? There is no contact info in the site.
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Who can i contact? There is no contact info in the site.
You can PM evoorhees or fireduck on these forums. Or you can tweet at @SatoshiDice on twitter. Or post on their announcement thread in the gambling subforum: https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=77870
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Hope we get an update soon. I have a feeling SD is down even more. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Hope we get an update soon. I have a feeling SD is down even more. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) I could have sworn I posted yesterday. How strange! I generated the report, and then didn't post it? Here's what I meant to post. It's almost 24 hours old. I'll post a new one when I can (I'm in a Tim Horton's coffee shop, and the wi-fi kind of sucks; blockchain download is crawling). Results: 2012-Oct-24 09:34am (up to block 204783)
Address Target Should Win | #Bets | Win | Lose | Refunds | BTC In | BTC Out | Refund | Profit | RTP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1dice1e6p 1 0.00002 | 30084 | 0 (0.00000) | 29699 | 385 | 220.93 | 0.01 | 33.93 | 220.91 | 0.009 1dice1Qf4 2 0.00003 | 2031 | 0 (0.00000) | 1951 | 80 | 28.69 | 0.00 | 9.48 | 28.69 | 0.006 1dice2pxm 4 0.00006 | 3134 | 0 (0.00000) | 3095 | 39 | 40.23 | 0.03 | 5.22 | 40.20 | 0.078 1dice2vQo 8 0.00012 | 3853 | 2 (0.00053) | 3807 | 44 | 70.80 | 16.06 | 5.65 | 54.73 | 22.692 1dice2WmR 16 0.00024 | 5356 | 1 (0.00019) | 5317 | 38 | 157.41 | 4.28 | 8.40 | 153.12 | 2.722 1dice2xkj 32 0.00049 | 6976 | 3 (0.00043) | 6961 | 12 | 456.92 | 303.34 | 1.29 | 153.58 | 66.388 1dice2zdo 64 0.00098 | 8691 | 8 (0.00092) | 8661 | 22 | 714.67 | 124.53 | 55.64 | 590.14 | 17.425 1dice37Ee 128 0.00195 | 10794 | 19 (0.00177) | 10719 | 56 | 1636.97 | 1274.70 | 44.25 | 362.26 | 77.870 1dice3jkp 256 0.00391 | 12024 | 55 (0.00458) | 11955 | 14 | 1835.13 | 2621.89 | 13.11 | -786.75 | 142.872 1dice4J1m 512 0.00781 | 18604 | 142 (0.00764) | 18451 | 11 | 3507.37 | 3307.75 | 9.35 | 199.61 | 94.309 1dice5wwE 1000 0.01526 | 38541 | 588 (0.01526) | 37940 | 13 | 9851.89 | 9524.04 | 1.80 | 327.84 | 96.672 1dice61SN 1500 0.02289 | 17389 | 410 (0.02359) | 16971 | 8 | 5608.33 | 5830.37 | 15.00 | -222.04 | 103.959 1dice6DPt 2000 0.03052 | 25108 | 795 (0.03167) | 24309 | 4 | 6385.43 | 6079.48 | 9.24 | 305.94 | 95.209 1dice6gJg 3000 0.04578 | 17882 | 832 (0.04655) | 17042 | 8 | 7731.68 | 9095.21 | 24.99 | -1363.52 | 117.636 1dice6GV5 4000 0.06104 | 17717 | 1107 (0.06250) | 16606 | 4 | 5103.48 | 4694.50 | 31.20 | 408.97 | 91.986 1dice6wBx 6000 0.09155 | 23731 | 2224 (0.09379) | 21488 | 19 | 10951.12 | 11031.15 | 7.01 | -80.03 | 100.731 1dice6YgE 8000 0.12207 | 95433 | 11723 (0.12287) | 83687 | 23 | 12953.50 | 11377.39 | 0.00 | 1576.10 | 87.833 1dice7EYz 12000 0.18311 | 24036 | 4485 (0.18671) | 19536 | 15 | 9307.75 | 9543.48 | 14.50 | -235.72 | 102.533 1dice7fUk 16000 0.24414 | 106542 | 26002 (0.24411) | 80516 | 24 | 63404.88 | 61525.72 | 347.79 | 1879.16 | 97.036 1dice7W2A 24000 0.36621 | 75103 | 27590 (0.36760) | 47464 | 49 | 47468.31 | 47601.60 | 212.64 | -133.29 | 100.281 1dice8EMZ 32000 0.48828 | 636425 | 310803 (0.48870) | 325173 | 449 | 365729.78 | 362874.93 | 2173.41 | 2854.85 | 99.219 1dice97EC 32768 0.50000 | 222478 | 110992 (0.49931) | 111297 | 189 | 211918.76 | 208826.68 | 1295.22 | 3092.08 | 98.541 1dice9wcM 48000 0.73242 | 167279 | 123048 (0.73594) | 44151 | 80 | 164991.96 | 163049.13 | 467.98 | 1942.82 | 98.822 1dicec9k7 52000 0.79346 | 16565 | 13187 (0.79651) | 3369 | 9 | 26007.99 | 25954.76 | 400.00 | 53.23 | 99.795 1dicegEAr 56000 0.85449 | 15411 | 13200 (0.85781) | 2188 | 23 | 22595.12 | 22294.41 | 400.00 | 300.71 | 98.669 1diceDCd2 60000 0.91553 | 7597 | 6952 (0.91594) | 638 | 7 | 17038.84 | 17097.43 | 0.00 | -58.58 | 100.344 1dice9wVt 64000 0.97656 | 8148 | 7839 (0.97988) | 161 | 148 | 16714.77 | 16434.06 | 239.21 | 280.71 | 98.321 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- small (bets < 4 BTC) | 1565553 | 636142 | 927847 | 1564 | 388385.79 | 380708.95 | 153.08 | 7676.83 | 98.023 big (bets >= 4 BTC) | 51379 | 25865 | 25305 | 209 | 624047.04 | 619778.09 | 5673.35 | 4268.94 | 99.316 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 1616932 | 662007 | 953152 | 1773 | 1012432.83 | 1000487.05 | 5826.44 | 11945.77 | 98.820 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SD Profit before fees: 11945.77943375 BTC (1.180%) Cumulative Fees Paid: 814.67770000 BTC SD Profit after fees: 11131.10173375 BTC (1.099%) ---- Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been: Blockchain Tx: 5425056 : SatoshiDice Tx: 3002091 (55.3%) Blockchain MB: 2278.5 : SatoshiDice Tx: 1225.8 (53.8%) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fd4qsI.png&t=665&c=17kNeaBS92ThEQ)
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October 25, 2012, 03:01:37 PM |
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I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed, but SD seems to have lowered their maximum bets for almost all of the games. For example, the "less then 16000" game used to have a max of 219.xxx coins. The other day, it was down to 191.xxx and now it's sitting at 123.4062.
I'm wondering though, by doing this, do they also limit their earning ability for whales who come in and lose on large bets? Is this move to lower maximum bets a recognition that their "house edge" is not wide enough to handle large bets?
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October 25, 2012, 03:02:44 PM |
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Tim hortons.. You must be from Canada land ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) or in the USA close to Canada land.... ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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October 25, 2012, 03:17:13 PM |
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Tim hortons.. You must be from Canada land ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) or in the USA close to Canada land.... ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I'm from England. But I'm in snowy BC, Canada. Here's today's report, hot off the presses: Results: 2012-Oct-25 08:07am (up to block 204907)
Address Target Should Win | #Bets | Win | Lose | Refunds | BTC In | BTC Out | Refund | Profit | RTP -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1dice1e6p 1 0.00002 | 30407 | 0 (0.00000) | 30013 | 394 | 221.80 | 0.01 | 34.40 | 221.78 | 0.009 1dice1Qf4 2 0.00003 | 2043 | 0 (0.00000) | 1961 | 82 | 28.80 | 0.00 | 9.64 | 28.80 | 0.006 1dice2pxm 4 0.00006 | 3150 | 0 (0.00000) | 3110 | 40 | 40.53 | 0.03 | 5.34 | 40.50 | 0.078 1dice2vQo 8 0.00012 | 3867 | 2 (0.00052) | 3821 | 44 | 71.52 | 16.06 | 5.65 | 55.45 | 22.465 1dice2WmR 16 0.00024 | 5367 | 1 (0.00019) | 5328 | 38 | 158.48 | 4.28 | 8.40 | 154.20 | 2.705 1dice2xkj 32 0.00049 | 6987 | 3 (0.00043) | 6972 | 12 | 458.85 | 303.34 | 1.29 | 155.50 | 66.110 1dice2zdo 64 0.00098 | 8715 | 8 (0.00092) | 8685 | 22 | 720.80 | 124.55 | 55.64 | 596.24 | 17.280 1dice37Ee 128 0.00195 | 10806 | 19 (0.00177) | 10731 | 56 | 1637.48 | 1274.70 | 44.25 | 362.77 | 77.845 1dice3jkp 256 0.00391 | 12029 | 55 (0.00458) | 11960 | 14 | 1835.16 | 2621.89 | 13.11 | -786.72 | 142.870 1dice4J1m 512 0.00781 | 18654 | 143 (0.00767) | 18500 | 11 | 3537.83 | 3432.81 | 9.35 | 105.02 | 97.031 1dice5wwE 1000 0.01526 | 38954 | 593 (0.01523) | 38348 | 13 | 9912.58 | 9609.05 | 1.80 | 303.53 | 96.938 1dice61SN 1500 0.02289 | 17452 | 414 (0.02373) | 17030 | 8 | 5645.60 | 5966.98 | 15.00 | -321.38 | 105.693 1dice6DPt 2000 0.03052 | 25137 | 797 (0.03171) | 24336 | 4 | 6394.55 | 6111.50 | 9.24 | 283.04 | 95.574 1dice6gJg 3000 0.04578 | 17904 | 833 (0.04655) | 17063 | 8 | 7741.29 | 9105.91 | 24.99 | -1364.61 | 117.628 1dice6GV5 4000 0.06104 | 17728 | 1109 (0.06257) | 16615 | 4 | 5107.31 | 4718.50 | 31.20 | 388.81 | 92.387 1dice6wBx 6000 0.09155 | 23769 | 2227 (0.09377) | 21523 | 19 | 10964.54 | 11041.92 | 7.01 | -77.37 | 100.706 1dice6YgE 8000 0.12207 | 95944 | 11795 (0.12297) | 84126 | 23 | 12996.25 | 11412.47 | 0.00 | 1583.78 | 87.814 1dice7EYz 12000 0.18311 | 24079 | 4492 (0.18667) | 19572 | 15 | 9338.76 | 9585.24 | 14.50 | -246.48 | 102.639 1dice7fUk 16000 0.24414 | 107253 | 26142 (0.24380) | 81086 | 25 | 64363.71 | 62923.15 | 566.79 | 1440.55 | 97.762 1dice7W2A 24000 0.36621 | 75807 | 27864 (0.36780) | 47894 | 49 | 49800.51 | 50733.51 | 212.64 | -933.00 | 101.873 1dice8EMZ 32000 0.48828 | 639140 | 312142 (0.48872) | 326548 | 450 | 368789.90 | 364762.19 | 2423.41 | 4027.70 | 98.908 1dice97EC 32768 0.50000 | 222820 | 111164 (0.49932) | 111467 | 189 | 212720.70 | 209462.22 | 1295.22 | 3258.47 | 98.468 1dice9wcM 48000 0.73242 | 167874 | 123496 (0.73600) | 44298 | 80 | 165666.38 | 163897.43 | 467.98 | 1768.94 | 98.932 1dicec9k7 52000 0.79346 | 16771 | 13339 (0.79579) | 3423 | 9 | 26094.94 | 26031.18 | 400.00 | 63.76 | 99.756 1dicegEAr 56000 0.85449 | 15469 | 13246 (0.85757) | 2200 | 23 | 22686.88 | 22384.61 | 400.00 | 302.26 | 98.668 1diceDCd2 60000 0.91553 | 7616 | 6971 (0.91615) | 638 | 7 | 17132.01 | 17197.20 | 0.00 | -65.19 | 100.381 1dice9wVt 64000 0.97656 | 8174 | 7865 (0.97994) | 161 | 148 | 16743.40 | 16462.80 | 239.21 | 280.59 | 98.324 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- small (bets < 4 BTC) | 1572264 | 638730 | 931958 | 1576 | 390360.03 | 382937.36 | 153.82 | 7422.67 | 98.099 big (bets >= 4 BTC) | 51652 | 25990 | 25451 | 211 | 630450.67 | 626246.34 | 6142.35 | 4204.33 | 99.333 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | 1623916 | 664720 | 957409 | 1787 | 1020810.71 | 1009183.70 | 6296.18 | 11627.00 | 98.861 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SD Profit before fees: 11627.00933201 BTC (1.139%) Cumulative Fees Paid: 818.23452500 BTC SD Profit after fees: 10808.77480701 BTC (1.059%) ---- Since Satoshi Dice started, there have been: Blockchain Tx: 5451309 : SatoshiDice Tx: 3014897 (55.3%) Blockchain MB: 2290.9 : SatoshiDice Tx: 1231.2 (53.7%) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fjm3ji.png&t=665&c=rIMKh4ZULLlxTA)
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