GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[bitpop]

This is the time, all gawtards must file complaints with the sec if they want any chance to get some money back.

[adipurnama]

looking
lol
https://hashtalk.org/topic/31065/small-update/209

bigeerrr false promise
 uuhhh
http://postimg.org/image/ghomaskp9/

[NarC]

The chamber also seems to support ziftr, scum are everywhere

Ziftr gives users a guaranteed $1 value up to $5 when buying a item from their marketplace. nothing like paycoins $20 promise.

[Paul Revere]

The extreme lack of any sort of knowledge about how markets work in the HT camp is completely startling. Josh has apparently found the magic formula to suck in people who have ZERO Effing common sense yet are somehow able to have money to "invest" put directly into his pocket.

https://hashtalk.org/topic/31106/why-im-not-bothered-about-the-buy-back-and-why-you-shouldn-t-be-bothered-either/14


I thought for sure the "Let's Create a Sell Wall to hold the XPY price up" morons had all figured it out by now, but these guys are a special breed over there. Is it possible that this guy's brains were in his hair and they got shaved off? I have to bring back the Hammer Head GIF from retirement especially for this idiot.

[bananafana]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YLW2MeZCks

More appropriate than you realize.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE

Dorothy: If you were really great and powerful, you'd keep your promises!

Josh: Pay no attention to that scam behind the curtain!

[suchmoon]

jimmothy got flagged on GH  


Edited 2020-11-28 to fix a broken image

[dave01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YLW2MeZCks

More appropriate than you realize.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE

Dorothy: If you were really great and powerful, you'd keep your promises!

Josh: Pay no attention to that scam behind the curtain!

You just dont get it do you look at that chamber list

[truckinusa]

What is he confirming here?  This keeps going round and round if I am reading this right.

https://hashtalk.org/topic/30694/coin-fire-allegations-about-paybase-are-false/154

[adipurnama]

thank to humero
you do not bother to forbid me
and there stupid accomplice
because the forum there like garbage and donkeys all


 

http://postimg.org/image/ng9s78m3f/

[bananafana]

The chamber also seems to support ziftr, scum are everywhere

Ziftr gives users a guaranteed $1 value up to $5 when buying a item from their marketplace. nothing like paycoins $20 promise.

It's not nearly so blatant, true. Some of the red flags with ziftr are outlined here: 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=894605.80

Looking at their page (http://www.ziftr.com/) makes me even more wary.

Over $348,705,036 saved, and we're just getting started.

Ziftr users save an average of $24.57 per order. Per order!

If the savings average $24.57 per order, and total $348,705,036, then we can calculate that there were just over fourteen million orders. But they launched less than two months ago. Their Chrome browser plug-in has 4,237 users and a total of 63 reviews.

It could be legit. Even if it is, to me it just doesn't make sense. I don't see consumers being sufficiently attracted by the small discounts to make it a success.

[bitcoinnoisseur]

jimmothy got flagged on GH 

I've been reading what's going on over there. Most are still the lying scumbags they were on HT and do not have the balls to admit their faults and certainly not any participation in the scam. They claim to be so intelligent and wise yet not a single one of them could see what any idiot could see reading this thread and the previous one for the past 6 months. Fuck every last one of them and especially cyberLIzARd. Every other word out of his mouth is a lie. How the hell can he not remember what he said and lie about it a day later AND think someone wouldn't cath it? He is without a doubt the most pathetic habitual liar I've ever come across besides Josh. I think his head is still stuck in a poker game where he thinks all his bluffs will work and no one will call him. I really like that he constantly says, "You don't know me or know what I do" or "It's none of your business" as defenses. Obviously none of those scumbags want to admit they knew anything was amiss until very recently becuase they know for damn sure that they quieted anyone that raised concerns and pumped GAW hardcore. If they did they would implicate themselves in the scam. But the best part is they are still fucking stuck in that HT mentality of quieting anyone that truly questions them on morals and culpability. I'm quite sure you will be banned alongside Jimmothy very soon and they will have their new ex-accomplice refugee forum back to themselves.

[volodia]

Xuy Team XPY plan revolution:

http://pastebin.com/4AZkkJWA

Code:

[13:03] * Now talking on #savexpy
[13:03] * morgan.freenode.net sets mode +n on #savexpy
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[13:13] <savexpy> hi huey
[13:13] <savexpy> how are you good sir
[13:16] <huey> hello
[13:16] <huey> so whats up
[13:17] <savexpy> so before we begin any kind of detailed information, i need to know what your affiliation is with gaw/homero
[13:18] <savexpy> obviously youre a trusted community member, an admin on the hashtalk forum
[13:19] <huey> detailed information?
[13:19] <huey> i dont work for GAW
[13:19] <huey> GAW doesnt tell me what to do
[13:19] <savexpy> are you related to anyone at gaw
[13:19] <huey> no
[13:19] <huey> not a single person
[13:19] <huey> look
[13:20] <huey> i came here because you asked me to
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[13:21] <92AAAHTIH> hmm
[13:21] <92AAAHTIH> ok
[13:21] <92AAAHTIH> is this thing working?
[13:21] <savexpy> yes
[13:21] <savexpy> i have no idea what happened, but youve got a few connections open
[13:22] <92AAAHTIH> i do?
[13:22] <savexpy> yeah youre connected to his chat twice
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[13:33] * huey (~huey@c-98-201-214-223.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) has joined
[13:33] <huey> hello
[13:35] <savexpy> hey
[13:35] <huey> whats up
[13:35] <savexpy> so youre in josh's church group though, right?
[13:36] <huey> nope
[13:36] <savexpy> i thought i saw something on bitcointalk a while ago about that
[13:36] <huey> we have never attended church or the same church together
[13:36] <huey> so is this you just trying to get info ?
[13:36] <huey> cuz if so
[13:36] <savexpy> no, it's me finding out if you can be trusted
[13:37] <huey> why not just ask these question on HT
[13:37] <savexpy> because if i ask questions on ht, i get shadow banned
[13:37] <huey> me answering questions on here does not prove my trust worthyness 
[13:37] <huey> just saying
[13:39] <savexpy> anyway, lets get right down to it
[13:39] <savexpy> are you in a leading role at teampaycoin?
[13:39] <huey> yes
[13:40] <savexpy> do you run the website as well? or is that someone else
[13:40] <huey> another team member
[13:40] <huey> why?
[13:41] <savexpy> how much of the community would support a decision to break away from affiliation with gaw/homero completely
[13:41] <savexpy> in your honest opinion
[13:41] <savexpy> i see the future of this coin
[13:41] <huey> break away how?
[13:41] <savexpy> but not with homero involved at all
[13:41] <huey> most of the community has already left
[13:41] <savexpy> so either we wait for him to go to prison, or we fix the problem by removing him from the equation
[13:42] <huey> ok i see what your saying
[13:42] <huey> well
[13:42] <savexpy> what are you thoughts on it, thats most important to me
[13:43] <huey> I think i would like to say more
[13:43] <huey> but 
[13:43] <huey> i dont opperate this way
[13:44] <savexpy> what do you mean?
[13:44] <savexpy> irc?
[13:44] <savexpy> i am not asking you to give me any insider information about anyone or anything
[13:44] <savexpy> i could care less about the drama and shit with gaw and the current status of paycoin
[13:45] <savexpy> i do care about the future of it
[13:45] <huey> if you want to have a disscussion about this im willing to have a google hangout disscussion
[13:45] <huey> I care too
[13:45] <huey> thats why im talking to you
[13:45] <huey> cuz clearly you care
[13:46] <huey> but i need you to understand
[13:46] <huey> you know exactly who iam
[13:46] <huey> and my public intentions
[13:46] <huey> i on the other hand
[13:46] <huey> have no idea who you are
[13:46] <huey> thats why i dont opperate like this
[13:47] <savexpy> google hangout is what, a video chat?
[13:47] <huey> yes
[13:48] <huey> do i seem unreasonable?
[13:48] <huey> im willing to dissucss this with you
[13:49] <savexpy> as am I, but I can't say that i'm eager to video chat with you just yet
[13:49] <huey> thats fine
[13:49] <savexpy> what would the video chat prove to you
[13:50] <huey> I opperate very differently then most people on the internet and in crypto
[13:50] <huey> i use my real name when i can
[13:50] <savexpy> once I reveal to you who I am, you'll understand why I am acting this way
[13:50] <huey> i try to be consisitant and honest at all times
[13:50] <savexpy> I have a successfull business and reputation to worry about
[13:51] <huey> i understand that
[13:51] <huey> well trust is one of those things
[13:51] <huey> what about just audio
[13:51] <savexpy> if just the initial conversation of a community takeover is making you nervous
[13:51] <savexpy> then you may not be the right guy for the job
[13:51] <savexpy> i'm the guy with the tools to make it happen, youre the guy with the community
[13:51] <huey> listen
[13:52] <huey> paycoin isnt GAWS
[13:52] <huey> its not mine
[13:52] <huey> or yours
[13:52] <huey> its the worlds
[13:52] <savexpy> thats where you are wrong
[13:52] <savexpy> right now gaw owns paycoin
[13:52] <huey> as of today i am
[13:52] <savexpy> they have majority stake
[13:52] <huey> but soon ill be right
[13:53] <huey> im not nervous talking about this... because its always been my intention to give this to the world
[13:53] <huey> so like i said
[13:53] <huey> if you want to start with just audio
[13:53] <huey> im fine with that
[13:53] <huey> but honestly its hard to have a converstion through texting
[13:55] <huey> you there?
[13:55] <huey> im about to go make some lunch
[13:56] <huey> hello?
[13:56] <savexpy> im here
[13:56] <huey> ok
[13:57] <huey> so should i go get lunch?
[13:57] <huey> you dont seem to have much more to say?
[13:58] <savexpy> im perplexed that you keep demanding for video/audio chat
[13:58] <huey> well
[13:58] <huey> i thought i explained myself
[13:58] <savexpy> right, and i explained to you my need for anonymity
[13:58] <huey> but if you absolutely dont want to reveal anything about yourself then thats just as perplexing to me
[13:58] <savexpy> in the intitial stages of this, you're going to need to have faith that what I'm telling you is the truth
[13:59] <savexpy> think about this
[13:59] <huey> faith in what
[13:59] <savexpy> im not asking you to do anything
[13:59] <savexpy> im telling you my entire plan
[13:59] <huey> ok
[13:59] <savexpy> and you bring in the community at the end
[13:59] <savexpy> this entire thing has to happen stealthily or we will lose the coin to gaw permanently
[13:59] <savexpy> so if you are on board with this, you need to start thinking differently
[14:00] <savexpy> you will be making yourself a target prematurely
[14:00] <huey> in what way?
[14:00] <huey> im already a target
[14:00] <savexpy> youre not a target if youre an admin on the guys forum
[14:00] <savexpy> and leading his community
[14:00] <huey> people called my cell phone complianing... 
[14:00] <huey> people emailed my church calling me a liar
[14:00] <savexpy> im sure you get all kinds of complaints
[14:00] <huey> all i did was invest in a company
[14:00] <huey> lol
[14:01] <huey> so im already a target
[14:01] <savexpy> yeah but youre not targeted by gaw
[14:01] <huey> from people who dont share there real name
[14:01] <huey> I have admin status so i can assign teamxpy badges
[14:02] <huey> I dont mod
[14:02] <huey> or ban anyone
[14:02] <huey> but yes obviously im not fighting GAW
[14:02] <huey> or they would ban me
[14:02] <huey> lol
[14:03] <huey> And team xpy isnt gaws community
[14:03] <huey> so this whole thinking differently thing is simple to me
[14:03] <huey> you claim you can somehow take control of the coin
[14:03] <huey> ok
[14:04] <huey> if thats the case why do you need me?
[14:04] <huey> wont everyone have no choice to follow you then?
[14:04] <huey> whomever you are
[14:07] <savexpy> the reason that you are necessary is simple
[14:07] <huey> hello?
[14:07] <savexpy> without the community, the coins doesnt matter
[14:07] <savexpy> you have direct control of the community who is now bleeding out, thanks to homero
[14:08] <huey> ok
[14:08] <huey> so what do you need from me
[14:08] <huey> because there are detials that might interest you very much so
[14:08] <savexpy> you need identify who in your group you can trust, who else will be on board with this...
[14:09] <savexpy> for your protection
[14:09] <savexpy> the last thing we need is info getting leaked
[14:09] <huey> i have a core that i would trust with my life
[14:09] <huey> plan and simple
[14:10] <savexpy> i told you before, im not interested in any of the terrible things happening with gaw/xpy
[14:10] <savexpy> he's already got whats coming
[14:10] <savexpy> hes going to finish himself off
[14:10] <savexpy> we need to be focused on helping the people who's lives he ruined
[14:11] <savexpy> and the people who are once had a physical miner they bought, they were deceived in to buying vaporware miners and giving up their hardware, and then had their vaporware taken away from them with nothing in return
[14:11] <savexpy> people who converted thousands of dollars in hardware to a web page that shows its mining paycoin
[14:11] <huey> look bud... i fully understand what has transpired over the past 8 months
[14:12] <huey> if you want to talk about that im not interested in this conversation
[14:12] <savexpy> i don't want to talk about it, but you implied you had details i would be interested in
[14:12] <savexpy> so i felt the need to stress my point and intentions
[14:13] <huey> see that right there shows me a lot
[14:13] <savexpy> I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing
[14:14] <savexpy> but I am eager to rally the troops, we need to kickstart this PRIVATE discussion
[14:14] <huey> well seems to me like you're more interested in GAW then th coin
[14:14] <savexpy> i could care less about GAW
[14:14] <savexpy> i dont know how many different ways I am not interested in GAW.
[14:14] <huey> ok
[14:15] <savexpy> I can say*
[14:15] <huey> so what do i need to do to start this Private discussion
[14:15] <savexpy> I need you to find out if others in the team are on board with this idea
[14:16] <savexpy> weed out the people you can't trust
[14:16] <huey> you think we are idiots? we have disscussed it
[14:16] <savexpy> listen, i know nothing about how you guys operate or at what level of self governance
[14:16] <huey> honestly we have already weeeded out those people
[14:16] <savexpy> but its admirable that you've already brought it up
[14:17] <huey> of course you dont... you never asked
[14:17] <huey> lol
[14:17] <huey> ive personally interviewed and chatted and questioned every person on the team
[14:17] <huey> 3 rounds of interviews before anyone is extended an invite
[14:18] <huey> they are all good people
[14:18] <huey> who want to help the coin
[14:19] <savexpy> some will be intimidated by this task im sure
[14:19] <savexpy> or buckle in fear of lawsuits and threats from attorneys
[14:19] <huey> not if its the right thing to do
[14:19] <savexpy> this is a mutiny
[14:20] <savexpy> it's not going to be easy or pretty
[14:20] <savexpy> but we are doing the greater good
[14:20] <savexpy> i know many people, personal friends, that have lost a significant amount of money because of xpy
[14:20] <savexpy> i even have family members invested
[14:20] <huey> are you kidding me?
[14:20] <huey> i have family that has
[14:20] <huey> friends
[14:21] <huey> hundreds of thousands
[14:21] <huey> of there money
[14:21] <huey> gone
[14:21] <savexpy> great. so lets rally the team here
[14:21] <savexpy> do you have development staff that you can trust?
[14:21] <huey> rally around what?
[14:21] <savexpy> or is that all gaw controlled
[14:22] <huey> we have a team of 17 core devs
[14:22] <huey> none of them are controlled by GAW
[14:22] <huey> period
[14:22] <huey> i dont know how many times i have to explain that to you
[14:22] <savexpy> who controls the github
[14:23] <huey> for what 
[14:23] <huey> the coin?
[14:23] <huey> look
[14:23] <huey> this is your plan
[14:23] <huey> seriously
[14:23] <savexpy> no
[14:23] <huey> gain access.. fork it and be done?
[14:23] <savexpy> i was asking a question
[14:23] <huey> i mean you think we havnt thought of this?
[14:24] <savexpy> huey, i wasn't pitching that as a solution, i just asking the question
[14:24] <savexpy> relax a bit
[14:24] <huey> fair enough
[14:24] <savexpy> no single deed will fix this coin
[14:24] <huey> the github for the coin or what?
[14:24] <huey> the .com?
[14:24] <savexpy> the github for paycoin
[14:24] <huey> they control that
[14:25] <huey> however
[14:25] <huey> yeah.. lets just leave it at that for now
[14:25] <savexpy> i expected that, so its not a big deal
[14:26] <huey> ok
[14:26] <huey> ...
[14:27] <savexpy> my concern is we cant salvage any of the coins
[14:27] <savexpy> look at this for example
[14:27] <savexpy> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg10146342#msg10146342
[14:27] <savexpy> the post by vancefox
[14:28] <savexpy> the coins look to be spread out really well, we cant identify who is who
[14:28] <huey> those numbesr are way out of date now
[14:28] <huey> fyi
[14:29] <huey> that number has shrunk
[14:30] <savexpy> is there a posting of more accurate numbers
[14:30] <huey> no i dont keep up with that crap
[14:30] <huey> its a waste of time
[14:30] <huey> most of them have not even read the source code
[14:31] <huey> our dev team already has fork ready that would apply major change to the coin.... but wouldnt kill it
[14:31] <huey> but we dont control that yet
[14:31] <savexpy> can you tell me more about the changes?
[14:32] <huey> i thought this was a disscussion about how you have the means and i have the community?
[14:32] <huey> honestly i could but at what gaim
[14:32] <huey> once again i dont really work with people i dont know
[14:32] <savexpy> right, but obviously changing the functionality of the coin to free it from the grasp of one organization is an important thing to discuss
[14:33] <savexpy> so if you've already laid the ground work for that, id be curious to hear more
[14:33] <huey> actually let me clearify ... i straight up dont work with people dont know
[14:33] <huey> ive not only laid the ground work for it
[14:33] <huey> we have plans in place to make it happen
[14:34] <savexpy> so what youre saying is i should just sit back and let you guys do it?
[14:34] <savexpy> or would you prefer some help
[14:35] <huey> well
[14:35] <huey> that depends 
[14:36] <huey> i have no idea with what you would help with
[14:36] <huey> cuz i have no idea who you are
[14:39] <huey> hello?
[14:40] <savexpy> if you cant deal with the fact that you dont know who i am right now, then so be it. but my intentions are true...
[14:40] <huey> ok
[14:41] <huey> so what at this point are you asking of me?
[14:49] <huey> ok then
[14:50] <huey> this was productive
[14:50] <huey> lol
[14:50] <savexpy> sorry, i was taking care of something
[14:51] <savexpy> i wasnt expecting you and the team to have this stuff already planned out
[14:52] <savexpy> so i need some time to think about strategy
[14:52] <huey> ok
[14:52] <huey> options 
[14:52] <huey> are the name of the game
[14:52] <savexpy> most important being making sure none of gaw's coins get forked
[14:52] <savexpy> the premine needs to go away
[14:53] <huey> and with it take away all the customers coins too?
[14:53] <huey> that will indeed kill the coin
[14:54] <savexpy> no
[14:54] <savexpy> we need to differentiate from the two somehow
[14:54] <huey> incredibly difficult
[14:55] <savexpy> it can be done, i just need to think about it for a bit
[14:55] <huey> over 4.5 million in coins
[14:57] <huey> plus you need to consider what this would do to all the Hashstaker customers
[14:58] <huey> and prime holders 
[14:58] <huey> seems your plain would only benefit coin holders
[15:25] <huey> ok then 
[15:25] <huey> seems like youre too busy
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[bitpop]

Hurry up Homero and go to jail. We got the next scam ziftrcoin to fight.

[suchmoon]

I'm quite sure you will be banned alongside Jimmothy very soon

Maybe not, I think I only had one run-in there so far but I should probably take a break anyway.

[dave01]

jimmothy got flagged on GH 

I've been reading what's going on over there. Most are still the lying scumbags they were on HT and do not have the balls to admit their faults and certainly not any participation in the scam. They claim to be so intelligent and wise yet not a single one of them could see what any idiot could see reading this thread and the previous one for the past 6 months. Fuck every last one of them and especially cyberLIzARd. Every other word out of his mouth is a lie. How the hell can he not remember what he said and lie about it a day later AND think someone wouldn't cath it? He is without a doubt the most pathetic habitual liar I've ever come across besides Josh. I think his head is still stuck in a poker game where he thinks all his bluffs will work and no one will call him. I really like that he constantly says, "You don't know me or know what I do" or "It's none of your business" as defenses. Obviously none of those scumbags want to admit they knew anything was amiss until very recently becuase they know for damn sure that they quieted anyone that raised concerns and pumped GAW hardcore. If they did they would implicate themselves in the scam. But the best part is they are still fucking stuck in that HT mentality of quieting anyone that truly questions them on morals and culpability. I'm quite sure you will be banned alongside Jimmothy very soon and they will have their new ex-accomplice refugee forum back to themselves.

Are you sayin scam or spam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_eYSuPKP3Y

[NarC]

The chamber also seems to support ziftr, scum are everywhere

Ziftr gives users a guaranteed $1 value up to $5 when buying a item from their marketplace. nothing like paycoins $20 promise.

It's not nearly so blatant, true. Some of the red flags with ziftr are outlined here:  
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=894605.80

Looking at their page (http://www.ziftr.com/) makes me even more wary.

Over $348,705,036 saved, and we're just getting started.

Ziftr users save an average of $24.57 per order. Per order!

If the savings average $24.57 per order, and total $348,705,036, then we can calculate that there were just over fourteen million orders. But they launched less than two months ago. Their Chrome browser plug-in has 4,237 users and a total of 63 reviews.

It could be legit. Even if it is, to me it just doesn't make sense. I don't see consumers being sufficiently attracted by the small discounts to make it a success.

I see your confusion is derived from ignorance which is fine.

Ziftr is not 2 months old but 7 years old, and actually has some big names that work for them: https://www.linkedin.com/company/ziftr

I don't think it will be a money maker in terms of price. But I can see how their idea will be great for crypto as every new wallet gets free coins. Al ot of new users will make their first wallet for that alone.

[bitcoinnoisseur]

I'm quite sure you will be banned alongside Jimmothy very soon

Maybe not, I think I only had one run-in there so far but I should probably take a break anyway.

Never underestimate the power of the flag. It used to be the downvote but there really is no difference. They are still a cult, albeit a new one, and they still behave as such.

[jimmothy]

But I can see how their idea will be great for crypto as every new wallet gets free coins. Al ot of new users will make their first wallet for that alone.

You do realize that there are dozens of sites that will give you free satoshis right?

To me ziftr looks like another Garza scheme. Same shit different toilet.

[not.you]

How exactly do you "step down" from a company you started, run, and own?  Doesn't even make sense.

[NarC]

But I can see how their idea will be great for crypto as every new wallet gets free coins. Al ot of new users will make their first wallet for that alone.

You do realize that there are dozens of sites that will give you free satoshis right?

To me ziftr looks like another Garza scheme. Same shit different toilet.

I realize that. I also realize that the 100 satoshis you can get from a faucet is nothing compared to the $100 worth they give each new user with ziftrcoin.

I don't care either way, I don't invest in anything than btc now a days. Was just making a point, ziftr has been a company for years, and has real successfull people working for them. not a kid who started out a year ago selling minders on ebay, 2 forum mods, and a shity developer.