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In the Qur'an, Allah claims to be perfectly clear in his commands (see 6:114; 11:1; 12:1; 15:1; 16:89; 22:72; 24:1, 34, 46; 26:2; 27:1; 28:2; 36:69; 41:3; 57:9; 65:11; etc.). Yet when critics quote the Qur'an, many Muslims insist that Allah means something very different from what he says. This should cause us to wonder: Is Allah's speech clear, or is it horribly unclear? Could Allah be the the worst communicator ever? Good video. It brings up many questions that Muslims always seem to talk around. We all know Islamic women are oppressed, yet their cleric denies it. They perform marriage ceremonies between little girls and old muslim men. They beat their wives. If a woman exposes any skin, in public, allah says she should be stoned to death. ISIS is going around killing off their own people. About age difference as I told you forced marriage is not allowed in Islam so what if a woman (child) marries an older man by her own willingness or a man marries an older woman. It rarely happens but there is nothing wrong in it... There is something very wrong with it. IT IS RAPE! A child does not have the developed mental capacity to consent. It doesn't justify marriage with impubes. Those who have attained puberty could be married with their consent. Now you'll bring up the marriage of Prophet with Aisha(Muslims' mother) when she were very young. Let me tell you that it is a scientific fact that women reach puberty earlier than men. Also women of hot climate (Arab was a desert) reach puberty earlier than women of colder climates. That marriage could be said as political offered by her fathet(who later became 1st Caliph) with her daughter's will as Aisha was happily married and devoted to Prophet. She was very capable and intelligent person. She devoted her life to Islam being one of the most prominent scholar. She was also politically active most of her life. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Camel is one such example should be enough to answer all feminist critics of Islam. I think what you attempt to do in your writing on this forum is 1. Ascribe bad practices by Muslims to their local or regional culture, not the religion 2. Ascribe bad practices by Muslims who are shouting Allah Akbar as they do stuff to a wrong interpretation of the religious documents. Then, Islam is left with the "good", because all "bad" has been pushed to the side. Reminds me of and does appear to be the logical error "The True Scotsman."
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Islamic calls to violence in the Quran and Hadith, don't really look like self-defense or out-of-context translating to me. And the website http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm explains this clearly. This leaves only two possibilities. Muslims who say that Islam is a religion of peace either... 1. Don't know or care what their religious writings say, or... 2. Are part of some kind of jihad, even if it is only a jihad of deception. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Islamic calls to violence in the Quran and Hadith, don't really look like self-defense or out-of-context translating to me. And the website http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm explains this clearly. This leaves only two possibilities. Muslims who say that Islam is a religion of peace either... 1. Don't know or care what their religious writings say, or... 2. Are part of some kind of jihad, even if it is only a jihad of deception. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Or (3) which is in my opinion much more likely. They are honestly and sincerely reporting on their personal experience of Islam and their personal and cultural understanding of what jihad means. But (1) is likely also, because for sure most people in Islam just like Christianity or anything else go along with the flow, but don't really care or believe much about it. It would be a logical error of over generalization to take a large and diverse group such as "muslims" and attempt to ascribe a single cause to one behavior pattern.
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Islamic calls to violence in the Quran and Hadith, don't really look like self-defense or out-of-context translating to me. And the website http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm explains this clearly. This leaves only two possibilities. Muslims who say that Islam is a religion of peace either... 1. Don't know or care what their religious writings say, or... 2. Are part of some kind of jihad, even if it is only a jihad of deception. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Or (3) which is in my opinion much more likely. They are honestly and sincerely reporting on their personal experience of Islam and their personal and cultural understanding of what jihad means. But (1) is likely also, because for sure most people in Islam just like Christianity or anything else go along with the flow, but don't really care or believe much about it. It would be a logical error of over generalization to take a large and diverse group such as "muslims" and attempt to ascribe a single cause to one behavior pattern. I can agree with that. Many of them don't know about the basic writings of their religion, and don't even realize that they don't know, wouldn't know how to find out if they realized it, because so many of them are illiterate. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Sunni Islam’s Top Cleric Blames Israel And America For Islamic Terrorism Sweeping Middle East…The leading “moderate” authority in Sunni Islam has blamed Zionism and the “new colonialism” for the collapse of the Middle East, further undermining western efforts to secure the region’s stability. Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University, the premier source of religious authority in Islam, was speaking at a counter-terrorism conference in Saudi Arabia, as part of efforts to encourage the Muslim world to join forces against terrorism. However, he seemed to blame Israel and by implication the United States for the chaos in the Arab world. “We face major international plots targeting Arabs and Muslims,” he said. The plots wanted to break up society “in a way that agrees with the dreams of the new world colonialism that is allied with world Zionism, hand in hand and shoulder to shoulder. “We must not forget that the only method used by new colonialism now, is the same that was used by colonialism in the past century, and its deadly slogan is ‘divide and conquer’.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11430829/Moderate-Sunni-Islam-leader-blames-Zionism-and-new-colonialism-for-Middle-East-collapse.html-------------------------
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Sunni Islam’s Top Cleric Blames Israel And America For Islamic Terrorism Sweeping Middle East…The leading “moderate” authority in Sunni Islam has blamed Zionism and the “new colonialism” for the collapse of the Middle East, further undermining western efforts to secure the region’s stability. Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University, the premier source of religious authority in Islam, was speaking at a counter-terrorism conference in Saudi Arabia, as part of efforts to encourage the Muslim world to join forces against terrorism. However, he seemed to blame Israel and by implication the United States for the chaos in the Arab world. “We face major international plots targeting Arabs and Muslims,” he said. The plots wanted to break up society “in a way that agrees with the dreams of the new world colonialism that is allied with world Zionism, hand in hand and shoulder to shoulder. “We must not forget that the only method used by new colonialism now, is the same that was used by colonialism in the past century, and its deadly slogan is ‘divide and conquer’.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11430829/Moderate-Sunni-Islam-leader-blames-Zionism-and-new-colonialism-for-Middle-East-collapse.html------------------------- Blaming the Evil Jeeeewwws and the Great Satin for ISIS?
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Sunni Islam’s Top Cleric Blames Israel And America For Islamic Terrorism Sweeping Middle East…The leading “moderate” authority in Sunni Islam has blamed Zionism and the “new colonialism” for the collapse of the Middle East, further undermining western efforts to secure the region’s stability. Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University, the premier source of religious authority in Islam, was speaking at a counter-terrorism conference in Saudi Arabia, as part of efforts to encourage the Muslim world to join forces against terrorism. However, he seemed to blame Israel and by implication the United States for the chaos in the Arab world. “We face major international plots targeting Arabs and Muslims,” he said. The plots wanted to break up society “in a way that agrees with the dreams of the new world colonialism that is allied with world Zionism, hand in hand and shoulder to shoulder. “We must not forget that the only method used by new colonialism now, is the same that was used by colonialism in the past century, and its deadly slogan is ‘divide and conquer’.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11430829/Moderate-Sunni-Islam-leader-blames-Zionism-and-new-colonialism-for-Middle-East-collapse.html------------------------- Yea sunnis are the real muslims true ! But wanted to clear something here no one hates anyone without any reason ? Or do ? Islam loves everyone islam is the most polite religion . Where everyone gets equal rights .
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Sunni Islam’s Top Cleric Blames Israel And America For Islamic Terrorism Sweeping Middle East…The leading “moderate” authority in Sunni Islam has blamed Zionism and the “new colonialism” for the collapse of the Middle East, further undermining western efforts to secure the region’s stability. Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University, the premier source of religious authority in Islam, was speaking at a counter-terrorism conference in Saudi Arabia, as part of efforts to encourage the Muslim world to join forces against terrorism. However, he seemed to blame Israel and by implication the United States for the chaos in the Arab world. “We face major international plots targeting Arabs and Muslims,” he said. The plots wanted to break up society “in a way that agrees with the dreams of the new world colonialism that is allied with world Zionism, hand in hand and shoulder to shoulder. “We must not forget that the only method used by new colonialism now, is the same that was used by colonialism in the past century, and its deadly slogan is ‘divide and conquer’.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11430829/Moderate-Sunni-Islam-leader-blames-Zionism-and-new-colonialism-for-Middle-East-collapse.html------------------------- Yea sunnis are the real muslims true ! But wanted to clear something here no one hates anyone without any reason ? Or do ? Islam loves everyone islam is the most polite religion . Where everyone gets equal rights . Could islam be alternatively the most rude and the most polite religion?
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Sunni Islam’s Top Cleric Blames Israel And America For Islamic Terrorism Sweeping Middle East…The leading “moderate” authority in Sunni Islam has blamed Zionism and the “new colonialism” for the collapse of the Middle East, further undermining western efforts to secure the region’s stability. Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University, the premier source of religious authority in Islam, was speaking at a counter-terrorism conference in Saudi Arabia, as part of efforts to encourage the Muslim world to join forces against terrorism. However, he seemed to blame Israel and by implication the United States for the chaos in the Arab world. “We face major international plots targeting Arabs and Muslims,” he said. The plots wanted to break up society “in a way that agrees with the dreams of the new world colonialism that is allied with world Zionism, hand in hand and shoulder to shoulder. “We must not forget that the only method used by new colonialism now, is the same that was used by colonialism in the past century, and its deadly slogan is ‘divide and conquer’.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11430829/Moderate-Sunni-Islam-leader-blames-Zionism-and-new-colonialism-for-Middle-East-collapse.html------------------------- Yea sunnis are the real muslims true ! But wanted to clear something here no one hates anyone without any reason ? Or do ? Islam loves everyone islam is the most polite religion . Where everyone gets equal rights . Quran and Hadith are Islam base. Quran tells Muslims to do much violence. Hadith tells Muslims to do some violence. Sunni Muslims hate violence. Why are Sunni Muslims still Muslims? Sunni people should become something else, some religion that tells them to be peaceful. Christian Bible tells all people to be peaceful. Maybe Sunni Muslims should become Sunni Christians. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Sunni Islam’s Top Cleric Blames Israel And America For Islamic Terrorism Sweeping Middle East…The leading “moderate” authority in Sunni Islam has blamed Zionism and the “new colonialism” for the collapse of the Middle East, further undermining western efforts to secure the region’s stability. Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University, the premier source of religious authority in Islam, was speaking at a counter-terrorism conference in Saudi Arabia, as part of efforts to encourage the Muslim world to join forces against terrorism. However, he seemed to blame Israel and by implication the United States for the chaos in the Arab world. “We face major international plots targeting Arabs and Muslims,” he said. The plots wanted to break up society “in a way that agrees with the dreams of the new world colonialism that is allied with world Zionism, hand in hand and shoulder to shoulder. “We must not forget that the only method used by new colonialism now, is the same that was used by colonialism in the past century, and its deadly slogan is ‘divide and conquer’.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11430829/Moderate-Sunni-Islam-leader-blames-Zionism-and-new-colonialism-for-Middle-East-collapse.html------------------------- Yea sunnis are the real muslims true ! But wanted to clear something here no one hates anyone without any reason ? Or do ? Islam loves everyone islam is the most polite religion . Where everyone gets equal rights . Could islam be alternatively the most rude and the most polite religion?Not temporairly . Permanent (polite)
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1. Ascribe bad practices by Muslims to their local or regional culture, not the religion 2. Ascribe bad practices by Muslims who are shouting Allah Akbar as they do stuff to a wrong interpretation of the religious documents.
Then, Islam is left with the "good", because all "bad" has been pushed to the side.
Reminds me of and does appear to be the logical error "The True Scotsman."
To add to that, even interpretation of religious docs by clerics can be misguided. Totally absolves everyone. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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1. Ascribe bad practices by Muslims to their local or regional culture, not the religion 2. Ascribe bad practices by Muslims who are shouting Allah Akbar as they do stuff to a wrong interpretation of the religious documents.
Then, Islam is left with the "good", because all "bad" has been pushed to the side.
Reminds me of and does appear to be the logical error "The True Scotsman."
To add to that, even interpretation of religious docs by clerics can be misguided. Totally absolves everyone. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Thanks, I missed that one. I do wonder if people should be taught to think, instead of being told what to do. But maybe I shouldn't have thought that. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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American blogger hacked to death in Bangladesh for 'crime against Islam'...Bangladeshi policemen investigate at the site of attack on Avijit Roy, in Dhaka, Bangladesh. Roy, a prominent Bangladeshi-American blogger, known for speaking out against religious fundamentalism was hacked to death. DHAKA, Bangladesh (AP) — A prominent Bangladeshi-American blogger known for speaking out against religious extremism was hacked to death as he walked through Bangladesh's capital with his wife, police said Friday. The attack Thursday night on Avijit Roy, a Bangladesh-born U.S. citizen, occurred on a crowded sidewalk as he and his wife, Rafida Ahmed, were returning from a book fair at Dhaka University. Ahmed, who is also a blogger, was seriously injured. It was the latest in a series of attacks on secular writers in Bangladesh in recent years. A previously unknown militant group, Ansar Bangla 7, claimed responsibility for the attack, Assistant Police Commissioner S.M. Shibly Noman told the Prothom Alo newspaper.
Roy "was the target because of his crime against Islam," the group said on Twitter.Roy was a prominent voice against religious intolerance, and his family and friends say he had been threatened for his writings. About 8:45 p.m. Thursday, a group of men ambushed the couple as they walked toward a roadside tea stall, with at least two of the attackers hitting them with meat cleavers, police Chief Sirajul Islam said. The attackers then ran away, disappearing into the crowds. Two blood-stained cleavers were found after the attack, he said. Islamic extremism has made few inroads in Bangladesh, a Muslim-majority nation of 160 million people, but there have been a series of similar attacks in recent years blamed on militants. A divide has become increasingly visible between secular bloggers and conservative Islamic groups, often covertly connected with Islamist parties, with the secularists urging authorities to ban religion-based politics while the Islamists press for blasphemy laws to protect their faith. Islam is Bangladesh's state religion but the country is governed by secular laws based on British common law, and Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina has repeatedly said she will not give in to religious extremism. Roy had founded a popular Bengali-language blog, Mukto-mona, or Free Mind, which featured articles on scientific reasoning and religion. The website has apparently been shut down since the attack, but Roy defended atheism in a January posting on Facebook, calling it "a rational concept to oppose any unscientific and irrational belief." Anujit Roy, his younger brother, said Roy had returned to the country earlier this month from the U.S. and was planning to go back in March. In 2013, another blogger, Ahmed Rajib Haider, who also spoke out against religious extremism, was killed by still-unidentified assailants near his Dhaka home. In 2004, Humayun Azad, a prominent writer and teacher at Dhaka University, was seriously injured in an attack when he was returning from the same book fair. Baki Billah, a friend of Roy and a blogger, told Independent TV that Roy had been threatened earlier by people upset at his writing. "He was a free thinker. He was a Hindu but he was not only a strong voice against Islamic fanatics but also equally against other religious fanatics," Billah said. "We are saddened. We don't know what the government will do to find the killers. We want justice," he said. http://www.myfoxny.com/story/28219608/attackers-in-bangladesh-hack-to-death-american-blogger
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Mullah In Norway: Those Who Do Not Respect 30% Of The World’s Population “Have No Right To Live”The words offer chilling insight into the mind of a radical Islamist: “We will defend our religion with our blood.” Najmuddin Faraj Ahmad, known commonly as Mullah Krekar, was arrested on Thursday because of what he said in an interview with Norwegian TV station NRK. The words offer chilling insight into the mind of a radical Islamist: “We will defend our religion with our blood.” Najmuddin Faraj Ahmad, known commonly as Mullah Krekar, was arrested on Thursday because of what he said in an interview with Norwegian TV station NRK. Norwegian authorities have wanted to expel Krekar to his native Iraq since 2003, but have declined to do so because the Islamist would face the death penalty if he were to be extradited, Newsweek noted. Krekar has long been in the sights of the international security community for his incendiary speech, and his latest arrest came just one month after he was released from a three-year prison stint — which he served because of death threats he’d made against a politician. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/03/01/we-will-defend-our-religion-with-our-blood-this-interview-was-so-abhorrent-it-forced-norway-to-arrest-the-mullah-who-gave-it/
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Islamic people do not hate everyone else. Islamic extremists...maybe. lol
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Sunni Islam’s Top Cleric Blames Israel And America For Islamic Terrorism Sweeping Middle East…The leading “moderate” authority in Sunni Islam has blamed Zionism and the “new colonialism” for the collapse of the Middle East, further undermining western efforts to secure the region’s stability. Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University, the premier source of religious authority in Islam, was speaking at a counter-terrorism conference in Saudi Arabia, as part of efforts to encourage the Muslim world to join forces against terrorism. However, he seemed to blame Israel and by implication the United States for the chaos in the Arab world. “We face major international plots targeting Arabs and Muslims,” he said. The plots wanted to break up society “in a way that agrees with the dreams of the new world colonialism that is allied with world Zionism, hand in hand and shoulder to shoulder. “We must not forget that the only method used by new colonialism now, is the same that was used by colonialism in the past century, and its deadly slogan is ‘divide and conquer’.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11430829/Moderate-Sunni-Islam-leader-blames-Zionism-and-new-colonialism-for-Middle-East-collapse.html------------------------- Yea sunnis are the real muslims true ! But wanted to clear something here no one hates anyone without any reason ? Or do ? Islam loves everyone islam is the most polite religion . Where everyone gets equal rights . Quran and Hadith are Islam base. Quran tells Muslims to do much violence. Hadith tells Muslims to do some violence. Sunni Muslims hate violence. Why are Sunni Muslims still Muslims? Sunni people should become something else, some religion that tells them to be peaceful. Christian Bible tells all people to be peaceful. Maybe Sunni Muslims should become Sunni Christians. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Islam is the religion of peace and its the only religion will save you but not all muslim have the chance to go to heaven. (it depends on your doing on earth)
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Sunni Islam’s Top Cleric Blames Israel And America For Islamic Terrorism Sweeping Middle East…The leading “moderate” authority in Sunni Islam has blamed Zionism and the “new colonialism” for the collapse of the Middle East, further undermining western efforts to secure the region’s stability. Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, the Grand Imam of Al-Azhar University, the premier source of religious authority in Islam, was speaking at a counter-terrorism conference in Saudi Arabia, as part of efforts to encourage the Muslim world to join forces against terrorism. However, he seemed to blame Israel and by implication the United States for the chaos in the Arab world. “We face major international plots targeting Arabs and Muslims,” he said. The plots wanted to break up society “in a way that agrees with the dreams of the new world colonialism that is allied with world Zionism, hand in hand and shoulder to shoulder. “We must not forget that the only method used by new colonialism now, is the same that was used by colonialism in the past century, and its deadly slogan is ‘divide and conquer’.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/11430829/Moderate-Sunni-Islam-leader-blames-Zionism-and-new-colonialism-for-Middle-East-collapse.html------------------------- Yea sunnis are the real muslims true ! But wanted to clear something here no one hates anyone without any reason ? Or do ? Islam loves everyone islam is the most polite religion . Where everyone gets equal rights . Quran and Hadith are Islam base. Quran tells Muslims to do much violence. Hadith tells Muslims to do some violence. Sunni Muslims hate violence. Why are Sunni Muslims still Muslims? Sunni people should become something else, some religion that tells them to be peaceful. Christian Bible tells all people to be peaceful. Maybe Sunni Muslims should become Sunni Christians. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Islam is the religion of peace and its the only religion will save you but not all muslim have the chance to go to heaven. (it depends on your doing on earth) Your doings on earth only decide the position you will hold in Heaven. The only way to get to Heaven is to do the work of God. This work is to believe on the one He sent, that is Jesus, for the forgiveness of sins. Your good works need to equal perfection to be enough for God to let you into Heaven. Since nobody except Jesus is perfect, nobody will get into Heaven, except Jesus Who is already there, and those He accepts into Heaven because they believe in Him. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Islam is the religion of peace and its the only religion will save you but not all muslim have the chance to go to heaven. (it depends on your doing on earth)
I don't particularly care about your Islamic beliefs, any more than I care about Christian beliefs. I do know that people who think their own religious beliefs are the only right ones and must be imposed on others are the problem, not the solution. I don't care what you think will save anyone.
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I was out at the lake the other day, on a picnic with my girl. There was a boat out on the lake. For some reason the boat started sinking. Soon it was under water. The guy in the boat started hollering, "I don't know how to swim. I don't know how to swim... " I left my girl and the picnic, and took off at a dead run towards the lake, shedding shoes and clothes every which way as I ran. I splashed into the water, and swam out to the drowning man. I grabbed his hand, and pulled him up from under the water. I said, "Grab hold of me and I will swim us to shore." The joker said, "Let me go. I was simply making a statement about not being able to swim. I didn't really want any help." Stop misunderstanding those Islamic Fundamentalists. All they are trying to do is save you even if you have to die in the process! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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March 05, 2015, 06:35:18 PM |
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British Islamic Group’s Billboard Warns Non-Muslims To “Be Careful With Mohammed”…The Muslim Action Forum (MAF), which staged a protest outside Downing Street against Charlie Hebdo in February, has launched a "legal strategy" to stop insults against Mohammed. The organisation is also asking supporters to "lobby your MP" to make "Islamophobia" a criminal offence. They state that they intend "to launch a series of legal challenges in the English Court system" because "depictions of our Holy Prophet peace be upon Him is the worst kind of 'Hate Crime' that can be perpetrated on the 3 million Muslims in the UK and 1.7 billion Muslims worldwide." The group says that they have "devised a legal strategy to prevent the continuous insulting and derogatory publications depicting and abusing the personality of our Holy Prophet Muhammad peace be upon Him." In a press release published shortly after the demonstration in February 2015, the MAF set out details of their plan to outlaw depicting Mohammed in the UK, through "amendment of some existing legislation and the presentation of a Private Members Bill that promotes the idea of Global Civility." They describe "Global Civility" as a "new direction" and argue that the "desecration" of "collective human dignity", through "insult, denigration or humiliation is morally and ethically wrong". Their website rails against "reckless and malicious expressions". They urge the 100,000 Muslims who they claim signed their petition to lobby their MPs and all candidates standing in the General Election. The MAF makes a number of suggestions including three specific questions which they ask supporters to direct to their MPs. The MAF suggests that petitioners ask their MPs if they think the "the Public Order Act 1986 should be amended to include under 'hate crime' any malicious depiction of images and use of malevolent language against revered personalities of all religions?" They also suggest asking if "Islamophobia should be a culpable offence?" The suggestions include a point inquiring if MPs would support a "Bill of Rights" that promotes "Global Civility", a concept which would prevent insulting religion. The appeal says that if the MP answers no to any of the points above, their answer "will clarify to the local Muslim community where their political representatives stand on the single most important issue to every Muslim in this country and worldwide." Stephen Evans, National Secular Society campaigns manager, said: "We trust all prospective MPs will appreciate that there is no homogeneous 'Muslim community' and reject such unreasonable demands to undermine everybody's fundamental rights and freedoms. Free speech is the bedrock of liberty and a free society – and integral to combating the spectre of Islamism. Now more than ever we need to preserve and strengthen freedom of expression, not capitulate to extremist demands." The Muslim Action Forum (MAF) explain that their campaign against satirical depictions of Mohammed, and what they call "uncivilised expressionists", took its "first historical step by presenting a petition supported by over 100,000 signatures of Muslims promoting the concept of Global Civility and condemning the continuous publication of these insulting cartoons in France and other parts of the world." The MAF website has a section devoted to the concept of "uncivilised expressionists", and they cite examples including the Satanic Verses, Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten and the burning of the Quran. They define uncivilised expressions as a "a psychological disposition of the human mind which insults and maligns others without care or consideration of consequences." They call this "behaviour against Muslims". http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2015/03/be-careful-with-mohammed--muslim-action-forum-launches-legal-strategy-to-stop-publication-of-insults-to-mohammed
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