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1001  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] US/North American Bitfury sales now open ***full prototype pics*** on: November 13, 2013, 02:37:28 AM
Guys how much would it cost per board to manufacture and assemble the H-boards in quantity of 100? I am thinking of getting it done in the USA, since H-boards are not available and only chips are available Sad


+1

The PCB layout is simple enough, someone here made an 8-chip h-board and shared the design. They had it manufactured by oshpark.com Easy enough to hand solder.
Hey do you have the link to the layout files? Thanks
1002  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Bitfury ASIC sales in EU and Europe on: November 13, 2013, 02:30:01 AM
Guys I have a question about the H-board.

Where can I download the H-board layout file? I am trying to get one manufactured.

Thanks
1003  Bitcoin / Mining support / Re: [GUIDE] BitFury Miner Support/Tuning on: November 13, 2013, 02:29:46 AM
Guys I have a question about the H-board.

Where can I download the H-board layout file? I am trying to get one manufactured.

Thanks

 
1004  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] US/North American Bitfury sales now open ***full prototype pics*** on: November 12, 2013, 08:57:51 AM
I also had problems with my BFSB old style M-board/H-boards, maybe this will help: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=250249.msg3454967#msg3454967

It could be that your M-board has issues.
I bought an extra M-board and am now using it too.
None of my M-boards is filled with 16 H-boards.

H-boards that didn't went over 25GH/s got the pencil mod applied and are now doing better.
I have fans laying on top of the H-boards, blowing down. The fans keep the boards from wiggling.

Good luck.
It was impossible for me to run more than 13 H-boards on a old style v1 M-board. The 14th board will always report zero hash rates.
 I think it's an issue with the SPI clock signal. That is why new H-boards have 4 SPI channels.
 
check line 121 of spidevc.cpp
Code:
121                 chipspis[i]=int(1000000.0/(100.0+31.0*(i+1)))*1000;}

1005  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] US/North American Bitfury sales now open ***full prototype pics*** on: November 12, 2013, 03:51:07 AM
Ah ha!  Now I know why random cards have dropped out.  It's always happened when I've moved a fan or slightly adjusted the position of the M board, etc.

Yeah.  I couldn't figure out why my rig did worse in the garage with a loud box fan blasting on it with near-freezing air temperatures (as opposed to inside the house with a less obnoxious fan setting).  I finally narrowed it down to the boards wiggling around slightly.  Sometimes I could get them in the right position and they'd run for hours and then randomly crap out.  Here was my fix (just cut slits with a miter saw):




Look ma, no heatsinks:

speed:13670 noncerate[GH/s]:620.895 (2.425/chip) hashrate[GH/s]:629.412 good:43369 errors:455 spi-err:10 miso-err:0 duplicates:0 jobs:291 cores:78% good:254 bad:0 off:2 (best[GH/s]:626.034) Sun Nov 10 08:36:21 2013
Code:
board-2 speed   nrate   hrate   good    errors  spi-err miso-er duplic  good    bad     off     per chip        good cores
0:      863     38.426  39.309  2684    88      2       0       0       16      0       0       (2.402/chip)    77%
1:      862     39.399  39.456  2752    9       0       0       0       16      0       0       (2.462/chip)    80%
2:      809     34.388  36.444  2402    67      0       0       0       15      0       1       (2.149/chip)    71%
3:      863     38.898  39.752  2717    12      1       0       0       16      0       0       (2.431/chip)    80%
4:      859     39.313  39.900  2746    14      1       0       0       16      0       0       (2.457/chip)    79%
5:      863     41.905  40.482  2927    22      2       0       0       16      0       0       (2.619/chip)    81%
6:      861     38.640  40.831  2699    15      0       0       0       16      0       0       (2.415/chip)    80%
7:      862     40.487  39.932  2828    5       0       0       0       16      0       0       (2.530/chip)    80%
8:      863     39.786  39.425  2779    19      0       0       0       16      0       0       (2.487/chip)    79%
9:      859     40.659  39.805  2840    9       1       0       0       16      0       0       (2.541/chip)    80%
A:      863     40.630  40.101  2838    8       0       0       0       16      0       0       (2.539/chip)    80%
B:      861     39.256  39.594  2742    7       0       0       0       16      0       0       (2.454/chip)    80%
C:      855     38.469  39.161  2687    22      1       0       0       16      0       0       (2.404/chip)    79%
D:      809     34.775  37.438  2429    132     0       0       0       15      0       1       (2.173/chip)    69%
E:      858     37.209  38.717  2599    9       0       0       0       16      0       0       (2.326/chip)    79%
F:      860     38.655  39.065  2700    17      2       0       0       16      0       0       (2.416/chip)    78%


Keep in mind that this was manually tuned and I have access to unlimited amounts of very cold air.

Awesome man, cannot beat the cfm of a box fan. Just installed one for my setup. Smiley
1006  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] US/North American Bitfury sales now open ***full prototype pics*** on: November 12, 2013, 03:21:25 AM
Okay I want to brainstorm my ideas a little bit.
Here's what I am going to do. I am thinking of decoupling the voltage regulator from the PCB since it causes so much overheating issues. It will reduce board BOM and hopefully faster turnaround by PCB manufacturer.

I am planning to use multiples of this regulator since the output can be paralleled (~$55 e.a.)

http://www.intersil.com/en/tools/reference-designs/isl8225meval3z.html


a) Order chips ($25 ea on megabigpower.com)
b) Order decoupling capacitors for ASICs
c) Get PCB made and assembled by the PCB company (only solder ASIC + decoupling caps. No need to solder voltage regulator section)
d) Order Voltage regulators
e) Test assembled cards
f) Mine
g) If successful, sell to interested parties Wink


You'll have no margins for profit if chips are $25 ea.  That's $400 for the ASICs alone.

And I think it's generally expected when MGP and BFSB started selling H boards again they're going to have to price them at less than $300 per board or they'll generate very little interest.

Lets say I do it without any profit margins, just for the community at first.

BTW can I use this to hand solder the ASICs without much problems? http://www.cmlsupply.com/model-850-esd-safe-hot-air-rework-station.html?gclid=COTelKSe3roCFa1AMgod8VMAaw

Looks pretty similar to the one I have, I use it regularly to solder 0402s


So do you think it will be fine for soldering the Bitfury chips? Thanks
1007  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Bitfury ASIC sales in EU and Europe on: November 12, 2013, 02:48:45 AM
Okay I want to brainstorm my ideas a little bit.
Here's what I am going to do. I am thinking of decoupling the voltage regulator from the PCB since it causes so much overheating issues. It will reduce board BOM and hopefully faster turnaround by PCB manufacturer.

I am planning to use multiples of this regulator since the output can be paralleled (~$55 e.a.)

http://www.intersil.com/en/tools/reference-designs/isl8225meval3z.html


a) Order chips ($25 ea on megabigpower.com)
b) Order decoupling capacitors for ASICs
c) Get PCB made and assembled by the PCB company (only solder ASIC + decoupling caps. No need to solder voltage regulator section)
d) Order Voltage regulators
e) Test assembled cards
f) Mine
g) If successful, sell to interested parties
1008  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] US/North American Bitfury sales now open ***full prototype pics*** on: November 12, 2013, 02:47:42 AM
Okay I want to brainstorm my ideas a little bit.
Here's what I am going to do. I am thinking of decoupling the voltage regulator from the PCB since it causes so much overheating issues. It will reduce board BOM and hopefully faster turnaround by PCB manufacturer.

I am planning to use multiples of this regulator since the output can be paralleled (~$55 e.a.)

http://www.intersil.com/en/tools/reference-designs/isl8225meval3z.html


a) Order chips ($25 ea on megabigpower.com)
b) Order decoupling capacitors for ASICs
c) Get PCB made and assembled by the PCB company (only solder ASIC + decoupling caps. No need to solder voltage regulator section)
d) Order Voltage regulators
e) Test assembled cards
f) Mine
g) If successful, sell to interested parties Wink


You'll have no margins for profit if chips are $25 ea.  That's $400 for the ASICs alone.

And I think it's generally expected when MGP and BFSB started selling H boards again they're going to have to price them at less than $300 per board or they'll generate very little interest.

Lets say I do it without any profit margins, just for the community at first.

BTW can I use this to hand solder the ASICs without much problems? http://www.cmlsupply.com/model-850-esd-safe-hot-air-rework-station.html?gclid=COTelKSe3roCFa1AMgod8VMAaw
1009  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin today is like what FB was in 2006 on: November 12, 2013, 02:43:42 AM
Facebook has women. Bitcoin hasn't.  Cry

Bitcoin has money.
If you have money, you will have women.
First comes money, then honey Wink
1010  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Bitfury ASIC sales in EU and Europe on: November 12, 2013, 01:01:19 AM
Guys how much would it cost per board to manufacture and assemble the H-boards in quantity of 100? I am thinking of getting it done in the USA, since H-boards are not available and only chips are available Sad
We looked into it. I think we got quoted somewhere around $130 per board. Not including the chips... But If you can find a cheap manufacturer go for it.
Aah okay, I will try to get some quotes and see where it stands. Thanks.
1011  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] US/North American Bitfury sales now open ***full prototype pics*** on: November 12, 2013, 12:34:26 AM
Guys how much would it cost per board to manufacture and assemble the H-boards in quantity of 100? I am thinking of getting it done in the USA, since H-boards are not available and only chips are available Sad


+1

The PCB layout is simple enough, someone here made an 8-chip h-board and shared the design. They had it manufactured by oshpark.com Easy enough to hand solder.
Okay I want to brainstorm my ideas a little bit.
Here's what I am going to do. I am thinking of decoupling the voltage regulator from the PCB since it causes so much overheating issues. It will reduce board BOM and hopefully faster turnaround by PCB manufacturer.

I am planning to use multiples of this regulator since the output can be paralleled (~$55 e.a.)

http://www.intersil.com/en/tools/reference-designs/isl8225meval3z.html


a) Order chips ($25 ea on megabigpower.com)
b) Order decoupling capacitors for ASICs
c) Get PCB made and assembled by the PCB company (only solder ASIC + decoupling caps. No need to solder voltage regulator section)
d) Order Voltage regulators
e) Test assembled cards
f) Mine
g) If successful, sell to interested parties Wink
1012  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] US/North American Bitfury sales now open ***full prototype pics*** on: November 12, 2013, 12:15:51 AM
Guys how much would it cost per board to manufacture and assemble the H-boards in quantity of 100? I am thinking of getting it done in the USA, since H-boards are not available and only chips are available Sad
1013  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] Bitfury ASIC sales in EU and Europe on: November 12, 2013, 12:15:08 AM
Guys how much would it cost per board to manufacture and assemble the H-boards in quantity of 100? I am thinking of getting it done in the USA, since H-boards are not available and only chips are available Sad
1014  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] US/North American Bitfury sales now open ***full prototype pics*** on: November 12, 2013, 12:00:34 AM
If you donot add heatsinks to the regulator area, cards will cycle. The real point of adding heatsinks to the ASIC is to keep the regulator cool. Add sinks to the regulator and atleast the bottom 2 rows of ASICS and reduce STRESS in your life Wink.
BTW, I also did another mod, but I will not advise anyone to do that unless they know what they are doing. It's obvious to the astute user if you look at my H-card very carefully.




1015  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] US/North American Bitfury sales now open ***full prototype pics*** on: November 11, 2013, 11:59:39 PM
guys please heatsink regulator, and at least the last 2 rows of chips.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/8pcs-14x12x5-5mm-Copper-Chipset-Cooler-Heat-Sink-For-IC-SD-DDR-SDRAM-VGA-Memory-/350876577198?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51b1dfadae
1016  Economy / Speculation / Bitcoin today is like what FB was in 2006 on: November 11, 2013, 09:27:31 PM
If you buy BTC now you are participating in your own private placement plan. Each BTC is like one share in a strict 21Million float.
Usually only accredited investors get to participate, but with BTC, anyone around the world can invest in this technology.

There are many social media copies like Orkut, myspace, google +, etc. etc. but we already know which one got to be the most popular and why. We also know of atleast 3 VCs common between FB and BTC
1017  Economy / Speculation / Re: how many BTC is enough? on: November 11, 2013, 06:25:00 AM
200BTC is a good goal IMO.
1018  Other / Off-topic / Re: I'm hungover on: November 10, 2013, 06:44:14 PM
All part of the experience Wink
1019  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-11-09 SlashGear: Bitcoin on fire as proponents prognosticate stratospheric on: November 10, 2013, 12:59:37 PM

This rise is beyond suspect. There is no real justification for this. I fear a major "pop" is in the works.
Do you think pop back to 2011 winter levels?
1020  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Picture of the New BFL Monarch Prototype 2 on: November 10, 2013, 12:50:23 PM
Those are not the Monarch chips. Those are resistors for electrical testing.
They don't actually have the silicon for these boards they are building.

Can you please point me to a datasheet of these test resistors?
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