I always say and suggest to anyone especially some of my friends who are quite active gamblers to apply firmness to self-control along with some boundaries that they have implemented, the reason? obviously because humans are creatures of perception in the sense that they are very likely to be in a situation of "forgetting" and this can make a responsible gambler eventually fall into the wrong approach to gambling due to the lack of boundaries and self-control that they have made before and because in gambling there is always something that looks tempting so this is also what makes gamblers addicted unconsciously.

So the conclusion is that no matter how much you have or have created boundaries and self-control on your gambling activities I think it is not enough to keep you in a safe situation, and that means as I suggested above that you really need "firmness" in the application of the boundaries you have created, because this indirectly you will be able to maintain a level of awareness in yourself that will make you tend to prefer / remember precautions when in a situation that is quite tempting like winning.

The things that make it difficult for an addict to get out of their addiction phase is firstly because their main focus is always on winning so it makes it difficult for them to ignore any time not to gamble, simply put they put their hopes on winning so all they want is to keep trying to gamble, and the other thing is that there are some ways that they consider as an alternative if they run out of money and obviously you already said that it is "loans" and this obviously makes it even more difficult for gamblers to stop, Actually, loans are a good alternative that most people use when they are in urgent need, but "loans" will be a dangerous option and trap yourself if you use them for the wrong things like gambling, because this will cause new problems in addition to your addiction problems such as getting into debt.

As I said above, addicted gamblers all they want to do is gamble and that means when they have money they will prioritize gambling over paying back the loans they have taken out and this is the reason why gamblers are very likely to end up in debt. Diverting one's mind to other activities is very useful as a cure for an addicted person, it's a good alternative but to do this requires first realizing that "gambling is making me more and more ruined" and with this realization it will be easy for them to divert their mind to other activities as you suggested.

Well that's the point I was making in the above statement that whoever is involved in gambling then that means they can lose, and the other possibility is that they can also win, so for the issue of emotions I think it's just something that has the possibility to increase the number of losses and does not mean that if you don't have emotions or a responsible gambler will not lose.

Yes that's right, being a responsible gambler always comes from a straight awareness and understanding of gambling, meaning that you have also said that responsible gamblers are those who have the right understanding of gambling by being able to accept the fact that risk is an inseparable part of gambling, And this is what responsible gamblers refer to or mean that the risks involved in gambling are taken into consideration for them not to overdo it, especially in terms of winning and they prefer to minimize the possibility of risk rather than focusing too much on winning, which is basically like the topic we discussed above that by overdoing it, it will make it easier for someone to get emotional when the results lose and obviously it will make the number of losses even greater. Another thing is of course what you said is always recommended which is to always view gambling as a fun place along with applying limits because of the possible risks that will continue to lurk.

Of course that is the point, as you said that gambling must be done with full awareness because this activity has a lot of temptations that can stimulate the human brain and mind, as I said above and you have repeated it here that in gambling a healthy person can become stressed if gambling with the wrong approach and let alone a person who has a mental disorder that is certain he will gamble in the wrong way or approach, and I say that this is not a solution but rather leads to increasing the problems that a person has in a worse direction and absolutely nothing that leads to a change for the better.

We repeat that however gambling is an activity that can stimulate a person's mind because of the object of money as a win which basically everyone needs money, and this is the reason why most people overdo it and not infrequently we also find people who have the wrong perspective on this activity where they have the point of view that gambling is a place to earn, These are typical gamblers who will soon enter the addiction phase where there is no time limit for them to gamble, they are normal people who eventually have the possibility of becoming stressed as a result of the wrong approach to gambling, and this is why caution and vigilance must really be applied and emphasized to minimize any bad possibilities. If the situation is that the person does have a mental disorder then obviously give something according to what is needed, I mean give medicine for recovery and not invite to a worse path.

Gambling should be fun and not be the root to cause a lot of new problems in one's life, but the fact is that the chances of winning really make a person forget about other aspects of his life which in fact are much more important than anything else, one of the reasons is because there is a level of expectation that they put on winning so that they act aggressively and excessively, as we know that the situation of addiction makes a person unable to use his common sense properly as experienced by a father there and in conclusion this is why we are always advised to be gamblers who have a good and proper approach to this activity and even if you already have a pretty good approach, This is why we are always advised to be gamblers who have a good and proper approach to this activity and even if you already have a pretty good approach, you still need very good assertiveness because gambling is an activity that can stimulate your brain and mind to do something because of the things that look tempting which of course can be your perspective on gambling activities, the fact is that people who come with the aim of entertainment can very likely eventually change their minds and consider gambling as a generating activity because they are carried away without realizing it, and this is the use of intelligence in applying self-control, boundaries along with assertiveness as a rescue step.

Income is always the main thing in life because with this then you will be able to finance all the needs that cannot be tolerated so that you can continue living, someone who does not have a job is those who certainly have finances that are far below average which makes it difficult for them to finance their needs unless they are one of the children of the rich, and this is a real problem that I think most people have experienced before finding a good job that can provide him with income.

I think only for someone who has a good mind along with having a mindset that can limit the allocation of his money on anything especially on his gambling activities, and only a few people like this, even if you previously have good financial management but sometimes there is a considerable possibility for you to destroy everything when you are familiar with gambling, this kind of situation usually happens to gamblers who are too focused on winning.

Sure, because it's something that makes all gamblers interested in getting in and getting involved, we and they can't lie to ourselves that if there were no monetary winnings in gambling then obviously the number of people interested would be very small or even nonexistent, the point is that what makes gambling interesting is because there is an object that everyone really needs which is money and because gambling provides an opportunity for anyone to win, but we must remember that it is nothing more than a "chance" which means there is no certainty and no guarantee that it can become a reality. I think we already know about the concept of gambling where you bring something to bet on and the casino will give the possibility of odds to everyone involved and bet there, it's quite simple.

And the word "gamble" which makes anyone who gambles anything of value will be in a situation of "the possibility of losing or gaining more" and that means there is a possibility for those involved to lose something and one of them may be the valuables you mentioned, it could be a car, house, land or anything that has a selling value, and of course this means that gambling has the risk of "losing" something you have, especially something you bet on.

Therefore, I really disagree if there is someone who thinks that gambling can be used as a place to make a living, one of the other reasons is because there is absolutely no certainty whatsoever for the results at the end of the session because this activity is nothing more than a game of "chance or possibility". So you will find the real facts in gambling if you can see from various sides and think rationally, I think with this then most likely you will not dare to do some actions that are beyond your ability such as putting too large amounts because of the possible risks that continue to lurk.

True, gamblers will only be able to quit gambling if they have completely run out of money at a certain time, but on the other hand this is not always the last point for addicted gamblers because basically they always have a way or even justify all means to get money to fund their gambling activities, Borrowing is one of the alternatives they always use when they run out of money at certain times, and there are even worse than that where there are some of the addicted gamblers where they are desperate and brave enough to commit criminal acts such as stealing, robbing and other actions that can make them get money.

Yes that's right, every gambler has a difference in terms of addressing and treating their gambling activities, some are still within reasonable limits and conversely many are always excessive like addicts. I think all of this is a choice whether you want to end up in a slump or vice versa by being in a safe and comfortable situation by always applying good boundaries and self-control, unless indeed you never know about what bad effects there are in gambling.

Exactly, gambling addiction does have its own level, there are those who are still in the low stage where they are still not too excessive whether in terms of allocating time or money, and there are also those who are already at the chronic stage where all they have in mind is gambling, they can't miss a moment not to gamble and also if they have money then usually they will focus the money only to fund their gambling by hoping for a win. But on the other hand if they do not feel any impact at all from being involved in gambling such as not experiencing any problems with their finances then maybe I would say that they are not addicted.

We must understand that the name of addiction always has a bad impact even with low levels, and whoever it is cannot say that addiction is not a problem, clearly this is a problem and a disease that exists in the mind of a gambler. One of the questions is, if addiction is not a problem in gambling then why would anyone even stress about running out of all their money? Either way addiction is a problem and it can continue to escalate if there is no improvement made by the gambler themselves, as you said that if one day they start to go over the limit then it is an opening door for worse repercussions.

Yes, I understand that and there is no difference, you said that the possibility of losing in gambling is what makes gamblers emotional, but on the contrary it means that gamblers who come without emotions and have responsibility for whatever happens will not lose? No, in fact, whether you are emotional or not, you can still lose, and maybe the difference between emotions can make your losses bigger, this idea seems the same, even though if we examine it there are differences. causing you to lose once or lose several times due to uncontrolled actions.

So the point is that defeat will still be tied to all gamblers no matter how responsible you are, especially if you are someone who cannot control emotions, which is clear that this will make you experience more successive defeats due to decisions made without consideration, and the difference between those who are responsible and those who always apply emotions is in terms of the number of defeats, in conclusion, emotions can make your number of defeats even greater.

You can't conclude things too early and you can't rule out the unemployment situation which is not always avoidable, in fact these days the unemployment rate is increasing and doesn't that mean they don't have a steady income, right? Of course, but for gambling problems not everyone who does not have a steady income cannot gamble especially if he is already addicted, as we know that addiction is always synonymous with something excessive in the sense that they always want to gamble and that means there will always be other ways they can use, such as making loans as an alternative, I understand that they will not easily replace the borrowed money if they do not have a steady income, but the problem is that an addicted person besides they are always excessive they also often make decisions without consideration and this means that it is very possible for them to use other things such as loans or even stealing money as a way to fund their gambling activities.

On the other hand for your statement about income in gambling I agree with you that gambling really cannot be used as a place to earn, one of the reasons is because there is absolutely no element of consistency in the final result of gambling and there is no certainty whatsoever, it means that you will always find one of the two answers at the end of the session between winning and losing. Of course, casinos don't care who you are, whether you're rich or poor it doesn't affect your chances of winning, all you can do is apply risk management to minimize the impact of losing.

Honestly I also don't really understand what he means, someone who has a mental disorder clearly needs help from experts such as doctors maybe, and it is absolutely not recommended for them to get involved in gambling, because as you said that gambling requires mental health and therefore it will be very useful to make considerations for making decisions such as in terms of budget amounts, and if the person turns out to have a mental disorder then it is clearly a ridiculous idea/suggestion if you or anyone else tells them to get involved in gambling activities which basically healthy people can end up stressed because of this activity especially if they gamble with the wrong approach.

On the other hand doctors usually always give the best to their patients whether it's in terms of service, prescription drugs or even in terms of advice given, and honestly I don't believe if there are doctors who recommend their patients who have mental disorders to get involved in gambling, I understand that gambling can be fun and maybe the doctor only sees one side of the fun in gambling, I understand that gambling can be fun and maybe the doctor only sees one side of the fun that is in gambling, and the problem is that he doesn't see the negative side of gambling at all which in the end as I said above that this activity can even make normal people stressed, this kind of recommendation really doesn't make sense and I never thought about it before.

I really can't understand the actions taken by the father in this case, gambling really makes a person crazy and can't use his brain and mind properly, how could he leave his two young children just to go to the casino to gamble, like exchanging human lives for the interest in gambling. Of course this is a very bad act. But maybe we can conclude a little and take lessons from this incident that gambling addiction really has a bad impact and will not only harm yourself but also the people around you. On the other hand I think there is no reason for a defense for a father because what they are betting is not money or anything but the life of a child who is their own flesh and blood, on the other hand I think it seems that he not only has a gambling addiction but also seems to have other problems such as stress that combine to cause unexpected decisions. In any case, I think it's worth pointing out that this is the worst case of addiction.

Yes gambling is always about the game of chance and the possibility of risk, these two things will continue to go hand in hand and can never be separated in gambling, meaning that you can win and you can lose, all of this depends on how lucky you are at the time of running the session. Therefore I think there should be nothing wrong with us being responsible gamblers such as by putting the smallest amount we can afford to lose because with this then we will not be too disappointed if in the end it turns out that we lost because the allocation of money is not too large which will not make us too upset at the end of the session. But on the other hand, I understand that it is too difficult to implement things if basically what they want is to win, because with such a goal, it is certain that they will use the amount of money that they cannot afford, and this is the reason why someone more often acts out of control when the final result loses, because there is something they put on victory, namely hope.

That's the thing, not all gamblers can apply the things that are suggested as a whole such as responsibility, as I said above that it is difficult to apply responsibility if their goal is basically to win, it is clear that with such a goal, the amount of budget that is carried must be a large amount.

of course it's true, because money is the main thing you have to have to gamble, if you really have a goal of doubling your money you shouldn't get your hopes up, because gambling can't fully produce profits (money), what you say is true if you don't have a stable income , then gambling will not be interesting, and that is if they think about the bad impacts,  because there are people who don't have a clear income, but they still insist on gambling with the assumption that they can get a big win.

The first thing to pay attention to is, we have to gamble with money that we can afford to lose,  because that is a sure thing.  There are people who cannot accept the money they lose in gambling, so they end up chasing after winnings which is not recommended. The good thing is to gamble by leaving with one pocket and then coming home with two pockets,  but this is only done by wise gamblers, because most gamblers have won and still decide to continue gambling.

Haha yes it seems that he doesn't really know what gambling addiction means especially what impacts will befall someone if they experience addiction, but it doesn't matter because our goal here is to share discussions and share experiences to add insight. On the other hand as you said that we can conclude that someone is addicted to gambling if they really experience the bad effects and the most common is in terms of losing balance in terms of finances and other things may be in terms of loss of time, but if gamblers do not experience or feel anything like this of course that makes them feel bad then obviously they are not addicts but they are quite active gamblers who can control their gambling activities well so that it does not have a bad impact on them.

Of course, gambling addiction is a problem that really has a bad impact on people's lives whether in terms of finances along with mental and psychological disorders, this is the furthest point a person is involved in gambling that is wrong or means not recommended which has many bad effects, not everyone can pass this phase and we can see that there is enough evidence of addicted gamblers ending up experiencing many problems such as falling poor or even going crazy. The point is that addiction is something that is synonymous with excessive actions that make gamblers experience a lot of problems, and if you don't feel or experience at least financial problems then obviously you are not addicted.

Yes, this is a situation that Bayern Munich fans are waiting for, where with a decrease in productivity from Leverkusen, at least Bayern Munich's chances of catching up and maintaining title dominance are getting bigger. As we know that Leverkusen are always able to perform outstandingly in every match they have passed by dominating many wins and this time it is different where they must be willing to share points with Gladbach, which is basically a medium-sized team, although they did not lose and were still able to bring home 1 point but still this situation could accelerate Bayern Munich in catching up, which in the end now Bayern Munich are only 2 points behind. And well that's right, this situation also reminds me of last season's events as you said that Dortmund were ultimately far from lucky because they failed to secure the championship match at the end of the season which ultimately made Bayern Munich successfully defend the title again. I'm sure that many are reminded of this incident when we see the decline of Leverkusen who are usually always able to secure full points, but on the other hand I can't be too optimistic about this possibility and we'll see in the next match whether Leverkusen will be able to win the match against Damstadt or slip up again.

Someone who is already addicted usually they always spin on the cycle of "greedy when winning and getting curious when losing" but it seems that what OP is experiencing is that he is too curious when he loses which makes the number of losses even greater but on the other hand he has no problem cashing out when he is in a winning situation, this is quite worrying because in gambling the percentage of wins is much lower than losses, and that means that if you cannot limit the time for gambling activities that you do then the possibility of losing will be even greater because of your inability to accept reality at the end of the session.

One of the things that can be a solution is as we know that "responsibility" is an important thing that every gambler must have, with this means that you understand and are able to accept the risks and consequences that exist in gambling, especially when at the end of the session, responsibility is very important in gambling because with this, your mind will be more directed towards prevention and prioritize yourself not to overdo it, if you can apply it then that means you will only dare to put an amount that will not make you disappointed if in the end you lose, this will be able to make you feel calmer or less disappointed even though you lose.

What I understand from what you're saying is that you seem to think that a gambler who loses will be able to recover, or restore what they've lost through future winnings, which seems to be the point, but on the other hand  aren't we always encouraged to be responsible gamblers, which means accepting whatever happens at the end of the session without thinking about recovery.

I think what I'm saying is not out of line with some of the suggested gambling actions that lead to a precautionary measure, another thing is that maybe you also know that in gambling there is absolutely no certainty that can guarantee victory at the end of the session, and isn't it possible that initially you only lose a laptop and then you can lose a vehicle? On the other hand you can calculate how much money is sacrificed  as gambling capital to pursue victory and restore what has been lost, I'm sure that the amount of defeat is still greater even if you can restore your laptop that has been victimized. On the other hand, I understand that you advise gamblers to set limits and stick  to them rather than quit, but what you are suggesting is only to prevent something that hasn't happened yet and not at all as a dedication to restore something that has been lost.