There can be only one

bitbay

the project basically has all you need to have a trustless decentralised market place with a smoothing pegging system.

most other pegs are not comparable in the true spirit of this arena

I have scoured bitcointalk for years. There is no other developer like David Zimbeck that i have located. His communication with the community and his work ethic combined are at least 2x or even greater than  the next best developers of other projects that I have tested.
Also if you ask him any technical questions regarding most things in this entire arena he will know quite a bit about it.

Anyway you will discover this is true if you stick around and investigate things further over time.

Of course keep your eye on many projects to see which will fit your needs the best.

I have said exactly this time and time again.

So many have seen the error of their ways now regarding supporting such an insane distributional method knowing full well huge swathes were going to the ico managers of competing projects.

Also not following through with the full moons after many investors bought on that premise.

Not listening to the community many times on many different issues.

I am still collecting this project even now because I do not think all is lost but tonych must react quickly and show willing to at least engage the community rather than just ignoring posts he does not agree with.

The project should be 100M or even 500M  now with a few tweaks and some community cohesion and belief.

Still all of this has been good for accumulating lots of byteball at a very low rate. Small risk now in terms of loss but lots of possible upside.

We will see. Hopefully lots of incoming progress that will turn things around.

Thing is Tonych works very hard compared to most devs and is of course smarter than 99% of other devs too.

Needs to  be more of a team player than lone wolf. Community and trust is important to gain the network effect that is lacking here.

At its current cap though it has to be one of the top 5 bets available out there.

Anyway we will see. Hope for the best for byteball anyway.

If you really don't believe long term and are not desperate I would say wait for 6months after the next halving.

Perhaps a year after.

No prediction on price but I would certainly guess it would be far higher than 20k by then............. or zero.

there is a community but of late due to some unfortunate circumstances there has been little news on the thread so I guess the community is not visiting as often as they should.

keep voting everyone I am confident that we will be listed on coinbook

be good to get some news on the bullion nodes and also i guess the op has to be adapted due to a slight delay.

I have looked into this deeply.

The process didn't work well apparently for titanium dioxide.

Although it did produce small amounts of hydrogen, carbon dioxide,plus methane  plus h sulfide plus ammonia. The investors are welcome to collect on that when they feel the need.

anyone heard from elambert or vonspass of late?

how's things going with the bullion nodes testing?

This is interesting news. I wonder how much weight such a ruling carries for real.

Although if it is true citizens are free to hold and transact in bitcoin that is actually great news for the future.

Banning icos is not that big of an issue.

another place to be very glad you do not live unless you are in the rich tiny minority that is in control.

edit --- david already posted whilst i was writing this reply....

I've read through your post but I do not believe it to be 100% correct. Imho.
I think you are trying to say far more (let's say the threshold the decentralised vote had to reach 85% for ban or delist) than the vast majority will spend time worrying about a bit of drugs or guns being sold. I expect most will not care enough about that at all. Most people these days are kind of okay about other people choosing to take some substances or if they want to own items for self protection. Then again I think there is far greater than 85% consensus for somethings to be voted off.

This of course is still not even taking into account the fact private markets (invisible to all except those you send the link).

Bitbay i think can find a sweet spot on this I believe without using centralised moderation keys.

I think you underestimate the younger generation that will likely use such software to respect peoples rights to self governance in many areas they would not dare to respect face to face, but over a decentralised anon software they will not bother with anything much.

People sadly can not have the right to do anything and still get the benefits to transact at the same level as others that do whom will abide with what the vast vast vast majority REALLY want. Not what they have to say they want but what they REALLY want when answering behind the wall of decentralised anonymity. Actually it is better than that for the fringe people because they only have to abide by what the vast vast vast majority REALLY REALLY do not want to see to a level that will inspire them to take time to vote it off.

That gives them more than enough scope on bitbay along with private markets.

I mean one could argue why should we vote off cheats and scammers and not infringe upon their personal choice to cheat and scam others. If they want to act like that then why should anyone be able to impose our will upon them. The problem is for any cooperative arrangement to work you do need to keep the vast vast majority happy or else they will find ways to cooperate else where.

I just think your argument is over stating the link between what most people REALLY believe is terrible to what they just don't really care about enough to take their time over voting on if it is not directly effecting them.

However, I have read a lot of your posts on the Byteball thread and for sure you make a lot of very good points and seem like a very smart person. So I'm glad to hear your views on bitbay too. I hope David will be back soon to answer your other points and  debate the best ways to develop a decentralised marketplace.

I am not saying you are wrong but I am saying I can not see that your argument follows as you say it will. I could be wrong.

bitbay is the best solution to date that I have found. I think you will too if you look into it.

How secure is this coin right now?

Don't want to see this and hal be the next victims of the cryptopia purge of older projects for newer shitty icos

They gave phs the boot and that network looked quite solid

Number of deleted posts really means very little without review of each and every one of them.
Some of the previous mods on the alt board were not at all to be trusted to form conclusive and final opinion on the value of a post.

I have seen some people just get things deleted for no reason that could be justified at all other than to someone who is completely unreasonable. Some mods here have previously favoured some real  shady projects and pointing this out will have previously caused you an issue if they could see to it.

Also, back before posting to claim rewards from new projects was banned and was standard practice on airdrops you could have a history riddled with deletes for those.

To ban a legend member there needs to be a real case for it. Especially for a perm ban.

to be honest the OP posted this before the biggest wave of cryto investment and interest ever happen yet.

so let's not be too worried.

however constant scams will eventually get crypto a bad rep with those who are not able to do their own DD.

I think that could be the  reason nobody ripped off NXT.

 Blackcoins POS3 was ripped off with no benefit to blackcoin at all and the clones sucked away the value over time from what could have made blackcoin shine. I think it is a great idea to force an airdrop to the original investors into the work conducted by the developer. I would say it is a vital part of the reason I have invested into blacknet.

There is simply no reason to allow "compliments" that subtract value and dilute adoption to the original project.
Of all the POS3 based projects I see very few even credit blackcoin on their threads (the only thing most investors and enthusiasts look at since I doubt they pull open the code )

Now we know there will be a never ending proliferation of alts it makes no sense to spend months years developing for someone else to press copy and paste.

There is no real way you can change the terms now anyway, that would be a terrible blow for confidence. Changing things after people decide to burn or invest in other ways is not something I would consider a positive. Byteball started doing this and it was pretty catastrophic for their community and caused huge divisions.

The burning is a good plan. I would expect many will buy more black to burn and retain some blackcoins too. Win win.

Well perhaps bay can use openbazaar's model.
However, if a small fringe for example wants to sell CP  then that small fringe should not be allowed to spoil things for the greater majority.
It's a case of getting a balanced and enjoyable user experience without any central point of moderation.
People may not want to  load up the marketplace and have to go through the process of blocking things they didn't wish to be confronted with in the first place. This could slow or damage the adoption more than over zealous moderation even.
This is just my opinion of course.

These moderation keys have been one area that has been discussed before and a few people have said it does not seem the best way to go. I think there could be a decentralised approach to sensible moderation possible for extreme instances.


This aspect is not a deal breaker for most I would suspect in light of the other significant advantages for trustless decentralised trading. I do think though that having moderator keys is something that must be phased out eventually.

How can you be sure double deposit escrow will not make a breakthrough?

If you want a private market then just make it private in the listing and it will be invisible to all but those you give the link to.

I agree that the centralised censorship should be totally removed, I don't think there should be any single point of accountability with a trustless decentralised solution i think it makes it dangerous for the persons with moderation powers.

The entire point of a DDE marketplace is really to make it 100% trustless and automated with no central points of accountability.

However it could be that flagged seriously messed up adverts can be removed via a decentralised voting process since we already have decentralised voting built into bitbay. I think they would have to be seriously illegal and undesirable to most for them to bother voting them off though. Most people are not going to bother voting off things that are grey areas or things that are not universally recognised as offensive. It would take a bit of planning.

Give David time to answer your questions. He usually answers very quickly he must currently be very busy working on something.

still excited about blocknet I just hope we can get it all polished and pushed out there working and getting some decent traction/volume before the big players who are already exchanges push out their versions of a dex

every project seems to be working on a dex of some sort right now

Isn't china banning all cryptos other than their own one?

Why would anyone select xrp ? why not eth? why not ltc?

Not sure about that website either

Japan

That's all great news. Can't wait to start pushing bay out there as the number 1 stable coin in that is actually trustless and decentralised.