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1661  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sympathetic gamblers looses itself on: December 24, 2023, 12:07:52 AM
Giving into emotions can be dangerous, but successful is very subjective term. I would take it as being successful when we don't lose everything by playing everything we got, or even more then we budgeted. That's a win in my book. I don't necessary wait for huge profits in order to be successful. Just minimized losses. As long i am losing what i am affording to lose, i consider myself a successful gambler. That might be a low bar for someone but it keeps me straight and far from the trouble and deep end. And i consider myself greedy, not so desperately greedy i would play with a loan or anything like that. But i gamble with winnings sometimes, maybe with too greedy attitude, but that what gives me big wins sometimes. But only sometimes.


The gambler should control their emotions in the gambling,So he play the gambling without any expectation in the gambling.The biggest money making gamblers are the people who play the game without any expectations from the gambling site.Only the gamblers who doesn’t have any expectation will use their own strategies without any hesitation.Because the gambler had many options to take risk by playing without any expectation.The risk was the important one for the gamblers to make the money from the gambling site,greedy also should be avoided by the gamblers to make more money in the gambling sites in long run.

I think they will only be able to control everything, especially their emotions when they experience defeat, if they come without having a goal to produce, or what we usually call coming only to look for fun and entertainment, because if someone is more focused on winning than Concerned  about the possibility of greater risks, it will clearly be very difficult to be able to take such preventive measures, expectations and hope are one of the main problems.

I think you can't just say that "they can make money if they can control themselves or without putting expectations" you have to understand that self-control and avoiding greed is only something that is useful for minimizing risk and does not mean increasing the winning percentage  to bigger or more frequent, however, victory is always impossible to know when it will come because only luck can bring you results like that.
1662  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What I've learned so far as a gambler on: December 23, 2023, 11:35:39 PM
Take the money and go away and that's going to make you happy already.  Most of the gamblers are not satisfied with just a few bucks to hundreds of profits.

And that's why that instead of taking out money from the casino and be satisfied with it, many are not.

That's the reason why they keep on going on and they will have their own reasonable lessons when they've experienced these times.

Yes, that's what they should do if they manage to get a win or that means being in a situation of pretty good luck, but unfortunately most of the gamblers can't do that, the urge out of hope for something bigger always appears when gamblers are in a winning situation, instead of withdrawing or cashing out to enjoy but what they choose is to apply greed by making previous wins as capital for a much bigger win, but the question is not that it is still uncertain? Or does that mean you don't know what the next session will be like? Obviously, it's nothing more than a hallucination that comes out of the excitement of being in a winning situation.

Usually in any case if you apply greed then usually the final result will always be disappointing, it's a fact that often happens if you choose to act greedy instead of cashing out and going to enjoy it. Therefore, if you have already won then I think the best option is to cash out rather than losing all your previous winnings because of applying greed and regretting it.
1663  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: do you lose on slots? on: December 23, 2023, 10:25:47 PM

Not sure if those tips would actually help slots are a bit of luck.  Some of the worst odds in the casino but it's meant to be "fun".  If you don't have fun playing than slots is not for you.  I'd play a table game or a game like roulette with much better odds.

The slot game was based on the luck,but some gamblers play with the probability.The luck or tactics was based on the individual gamblers,because the gamblers using their own money to play the game.So the choice of luck or math was based on the gambler.

In my opinion, slot games are purely about luck, or I mean whoever it is, they will only be able to win when luck comes at the same time when you are in the session, that's why many people experience losses more often than wins in that type of game, and Also in my opinion overall, this slot game is more addictive than some other types of gambling, winning looks like it's easy even though in fact it is very difficult, therefore this type of gambling really should be used as a place of entertainment only when you really have free time, not only that but I think what is better is that you put the right mindset and understanding on all types of gambling.

Nothing more because all final results always depend on how lucky you are at that time, so of course you have to understand that gambling is nothing more than a game of probability which always cannot be predicted, especially for the final result, therefore I think gamblers cannot force their choices. , because it is clear that all gamblers definitely want to win no matter what, even though they come for the purpose of enjoyment, so you cannot say that gamblers can choose or force their choices because all expectations will not always match the facts.
1664  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do not gamble with Loan Money~otherwise you will be in danger like me on: December 23, 2023, 09:34:03 PM

Taking out a loan to gamble is highly discouraged. People who do this will only regret it because after they lose from gambling, they realize that it was a mistake and they cannot recover their losses even if they take out more loans. Taking a loan from a loan shark is even less advisable because interest must be paid in addition to the loan money. Never be tempted by offers made by other people who want to lend you money because they want something from you. And when you lose, you will be charged an even larger amount of money. They won't care about what you're going through and even if you don't have the money to pay back the loan, they will look for valuables you have as a substitute.

And this usually happens to people who are addicted to gambling, where they are bound by gambling and cannot get out of gambling. They want to gamble, and if they don't have money, they borrow money from other people. These people will experience greater difficulties or problems than those who gamble using their own money.
Taking a loan to gamble is already a very bad sign, but to do so from a loan shark is probably the worst thing a person could do in almost any situation, as not only the interest rates you will have to pay will be huge, they are not above using illegal methods to try to get their money, including physical violence, so regardless of how desperate a person may be they need to avoid those people, as even if you were to pay the loan on time they will keep asking you for money with the threats of violence.

Of course from the actual choice alone we can already conclude that they have a very bad approach and it is not recommended when making loans as an alternative when they run out of money, honestly I never thought why there are gamblers who are desperate to make loans just to gamble, as we know that gambling is recommended only for entertainment when you have free time, and if they are willing to borrow just to gamble then I think it's gone too far which means that their goal is not for entertainment but seems to be looking for victory or income.

That's right, it's not only the risk of paying interest on the loan that they're taking that they're going to get if they use borrowed money to gamble but also the very high level of mental and psychological stress if you do end up losing. Honestly, even though they basically have the money to pay all the loans, I think this is a dangerous action because obviously I think if you have tried to gamble with borrowed money then obviously in the future you will also do the same thing when you run out of money, on the other hand this is the point from which many new problems will come, so anyway this should be avoided.
1665  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamble Responsibly on: December 23, 2023, 08:49:02 PM
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Gambling is lucked and players need to be careful about the actions they take because of gambling. Looking at Op's thread beginner gamblers must glance through it, because of the substantial words contained in it. Low self-esteem also affects gamblers to gamble with the money which they can't afford to lose and it's a quick ticket to getting indebted. Curious gamblers don't mind losing it all, provided they've seen other gamblers losing money. Problem gamblers can be pathetic and fail due to other's failure. A player with good self-esteem knows exactly when to stop gambling regardless of the results he gets. Enjoying gambling is like a slogan in the gambling niche, but our losses can't be celebrated all the time. Whenever it goes too high, the right bet is stopping the gambling session. Trying next time also helps in reducing the impulses following the previous losses. Racing at a high speed to meet up with the amount we've lost in gambling destroys the initial fun of gambling; win or loss.
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I don't know, I think it's good sometimes to have low self-esteem when you are gambling. Like rolling in your head things like "I'm a loser!", "I can never win!", "Luck is always not on my side!", things like that, don't you think it's a good help for stopping your gambling session? I think it's people who are too confident in themselves who can end up as irresponsible gamblers.

I think it's quite rare for people to have an understanding like yours. Grin
But on the other hand it's a good idea mate, humbling yourself in gambling does have the possibility or potential to eventually enter into a more logical consideration to choose something better. This idea of "I'm a loser, I never win and luck is so far away from me" is a good one, because usually people will continue to gamble because they seem to have a motivation that can encourage themselves to continue gambling and achieve all these great things that are basically nothing more than their hallucinations as a result of having too high expectations. I think that some of them, especially those who find it difficult to win, should try this idea of yours, my friend.
1666  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you take time to read the terms and conditions of casinos before registering? on: December 23, 2023, 06:52:05 PM
To be frank, I personally rarely read the agreements when registering on a casino site as they are usually standard. I pay more attention to the tariffs, the list of banned countries, the list of accepted cryptocurrencies, as well as the conditions for withdrawal of funds

True, to be honest I think most people including me also do the same thing as you do but maybe it is done only by people who are familiar with some of the sites they have tried, because after all usually the ToS that is displayed is not much different, a list of accepted cryptocurrencies and also with a minimum/maximum amount of withdrawal as you mentioned, of course they only read a few things they need which of course can facilitate them during their involvement. But on the other hand I think for new people who have certainly never been involved in any kind of online gambling before I should advise them to read all the ToS that are displayed, after all an understanding of some knowledge related to the casino they just entered is important for the initial stages of involvement.

1667  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does casino streamers have influence in your gambling life? on: December 23, 2023, 06:30:28 PM
I'm not really influenced by influencers and streamers, let alone just playing gambling, maybe because I've been familiar with gambling since I was little, so I adapted to online gambling and I found a lot of it in online casinos, that's why I started gambling online, I'm not too interested in watching people gamble through streamers and influencers because usually they are only used to promote casinos, so that's what they are paid to attract users to the casinos they are promoting and not to play real games.

I think only young people often watch influencers and streamers gambling because they really enjoy seeing someone win big and get a lot of money from gambling games easily, that's why many young people get caught up in gambling and even easily get addicted to gambling just because they see and watching their influencers and streamers gamble.

But unfortunately most of them are influenced by influencers or YouTubers who broadcast something that looks like very tempting and since the number of shows like that clearly makes people more interested in gambling because they see the winnings of the stremer as very easy, even though on the other hand as you said that their role is nothing more than a partner who helps casinos to promote gambling sites with the aim of finding more audience. On the other hand, in my opinion if they (who have never known about gambling) in common sense they should be able to put suspicions about what exactly is behind everything they see, logically if indeed the stremers or influencers can really make large amounts of money very easily then why do they have to broadcast or show it in the public eye? of course in my opinion from that alone we can already put suspicion, unfortunately most people do not think that way, especially for those ordinary people who are finally tempted and involved for the sake of a big win that they think is really easy to get.

I think most people today spend more time playing social media, not recognizing the age factor, and what is worried is that those who are still underage, of course, this activity can threaten their future.

1668  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts? on: December 23, 2023, 04:47:30 PM
Yes, that could also be one reason why people easily become addicted because of not having a job and also not having other hobbies so they are more focused on gambling. Personally, luckily I have lots of activities or hobbies that I can do, for example going fishing with my family or just play football with my family or close friends, so that it doesn't remind me of gambling.

On average, people who are very closed to the outside world tend to be addicted to gambling because they don't have other activities outside the home so they are more likely to gamble on a computer or cell phone at home to look for activities in online gambling, but for people who are very busy like me it might be difficult because every day you have to work, you don't have much time to gamble on weekdays except on weekends, that's why people who are addicted tend to be under the age of 25 compared to over that age, just my guess, the point is to often do activities that keep yourself busy because it can avoid gambling addiction.

But I gotta disagree that that's the whole picture.  Sure, staying busy might make it less likely for some folks to end up with a gambling problem.  However there's usually more to it than that. 

Gambling addiction is complicated, with lots of things playing into it.  Plus, people struggled with getting addicted to gambling even before everything went online and  so while keeping occupied helps for some, it doesnt fix the underlying problem or rule out addiction.

But on the other hand to be honest I personally quite agree with the idea that the attraction to engage in gambling activities usually likes to come when we are in a boring situation, I have experienced something like that even though basically as you said that there are still other possibilities, yes I agree because there is something out of control that always cannot be predicted regarding several possibilities.

But I think having a lot of busyness is one of the effective ways to avoid addiction, because as we know that the desire to gamble always comes from our minds so that when we have free time, our brains and minds will look for some activities that are quite interesting and one of them allows gambling to be an activity to fill time when the situation is like that. Although you think this method cannot fully minimize unwanted things such as addiction, for me this is one of the most effective ways because honestly I was able to recover from gambling addiction by adding several other activities in my life which certainly made my mind distracted from the attraction to gambling and slowly out of the addiction zone.

1669  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can Gambling affect your relationship? on: December 23, 2023, 03:25:56 PM
Was this a question or a statement of fact?! )
You are one hundred percent right. After all, relationships are built on trust and broken by its absence. If a person cannot control himself and starts gambling with money that he cannot afford to lose, then sooner or later this will lead to a break in relations with his partner and to problems with friends and problems at work, as well as with loved ones and relatives. This is probably not a complete list of problems that a person can get when starting to gamble with money that cannot be put at risk.

Of course, I think this is more of a question that is looking for a more factual statement. I think gambling would really be a problem in a relationship if you are using the budget for the benefit of both of you, like for example you use money for wedding expenses and then you use the money for your gambling habit then obviously it would be a problem in your relationship with your loved one.

The important point is of course as you said that all the problems started from them putting an amount of budget that they could not afford, if only they initially understood about the risks involved in gambling I think they would not be desperate to put money that they could not afford which certainly has the potential for problems. I think you have mentioned a list that is quite appropriate to the facts and possibilities that can occur. Therefore, understanding the risks in any case must be prioritized, do not take it all lightly.
1670  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gamblers trickily claims they wins the bet while they never did. on: December 23, 2023, 02:27:12 PM
Honestly, I've never thought about the reasons why they make claims that don't match reality, but it seems like something drives them to do things like that, whether it's to brag to others including some of their friends that they are able to excel in terms of luck compared to others or other reasons.
Gamblers claim to have been cheated by the casino for different reasons. The one you mentioned is a pretty common one and it's directly associated with ego and self-affirmation necessity towards a group they are inserted. But there are another reasons as well. Vengeance against the casino is also a common one, as they can't win, they will sabotage the casino somehow in retribution, so they directly attack on where it's more important for the house: their reputation on the gambling community.

Another possible reason is self-defense mechanism of denial. They just can't accept the fact they lost, because all the probabilities pointed the other way round. They might have faced an unlikely loss and that is too much to be grasped at first impression. So the first reaction is to claim they have won and the casino is cheating. In my opinion this is the minor evil among every reasons why someone could claim to have won a bet they never did, because it doesn't characterize maliciousness in first degree, rather it's an automatic emotional response to a sudden and improbable event.

Honestly for the issue of whether they have been cheated or not by the casino I think it is beyond our control and on the other hand for me personally honestly I have never found or even just heard about some casinos that cheat gamblers which certainly makes it difficult for them to be able to win so I think if there is indeed one of them who has difficulty getting a win then I would call that they are very far from luck, I just think it's as simple as that for this issue.

Yes, the inability to accept reality is the main problem that ultimately makes them act out of control usually, which is why we should prioritize understanding the field especially at the beginning of our involvement, I think it's very common that gambling is always about winning and losing. With the right level of understanding especially regarding the possible risks then I think it is less likely for them to make unreal claims of winning, they will be more aware that there is no point in doing so, after all I think winning in gambling is not something that should be bragged about because after all it is natural to lose even if it happens often, you have to go back to the initial understanding that this activity is only about winning and losing.
1671  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Beginner needs your advices in gambling. on: December 23, 2023, 12:54:24 PM
It is frustrating when members of the forum allways talk about being addicted to gambling as a crime or offence to nature. In life no one is perfect, regardless of the level of discipline anyone have there is something that unconsciously they are addicted to. It could be drugs, sex, money, and smoking e.t.c. There are lot to mention, i just mentioned the ones that are popular and much in the society.

You should understand why a lot of members on the forum here buttress the point about excessive gambling and how it could slowly lead to addiction. Addiction to gambling or the other vices you mentioned is extremely dangerous and not to be taken lightly. It destroys lives and relationships.
People here always and rightfully talk about it cause they understand just how important it is to spread word and awareness on how addiction wrecks people.
It may not be against the law to get addicted to gambling or other things but society frowns and generally shuns addicts.

It may not be against the law to be addicted, but we must consider that being addicted to something that does not bring good always results in the destruction of personal personality, destruction in the family, and also destruction in relationships with those close to us friend.

That's why if you are new to a casino in the crypto gambling industry, you should know what you are getting into, or if you have no idea about this, you should, as much as possible, listen to the advice of those who have been around for a long time in this industry so that we don't have problems in the end.

Absolutely not, in my opinion there is no addiction that is against the law because it is not harming the country but harming ourselves, one of the reasons why countries do not legalize gambling for their people because what they focus on is the dangers of addiction which of course can make people experience many problems in their lives. Anything can happen if you  have entered the addiction phase, things out of control are very possible when your common sense has begun to not work due to the addiction you suffer. On the other hand, it will not only result in the destruction of family relationships but will also harm others when you think of committing crimes such as theft or robbery.

That's right, I think the right understanding is something that every gambler especially those  who just want to get involved, no matter where you gamble because of course the name of the bet always has a level of risk that is usually much higher than the chances of winning. So with that I hope you always listen to some advice from others, especially as you said from those who are experienced, don't close yourself because there will always be regrets when you understand it too late.
1672  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Quit gamble! Easy or Hard? Let's talk. on: December 22, 2023, 06:35:04 PM
We should start to realize that gambling is entertainment. We don't need to try to chase wins and use more money. We must try to be a responsible gambler so that we can stop gambling whenever we want.
Usually people will realize this after experiencing a series of defeats so that they no longer chase after winnings which makes them irresponsible gamblers. It is normal for people to realize it too late because human nature is like that and we cannot refuse it. It is true that people should have realized it from the start that gambling is Actually, it's just entertainment, not to find a permanent source of income like a job.

Gambling is actually not a job that can make steady money, that's why novice gamblers must be aware that it is just a game that provides fun, not a place to make money, so the hope of making money at gambling always ends tragically as an irresponsible gambler. The point is that when playing gambling you have to be able to control it well so you can stop at any time.

Yes, it will be realize when there's already a huge damage from both finances and mental concerns, a person who got really attach to gambling and fall to addiction will waste both time and money inside this activity, along the way they will keep pushing and keep aiming to earn from what they are doing, with the  misconception of just aiming for enjoyment or a place to quickly earn decently.

Gambling is not a place if you are looking for stable income, but a place where you can find entertainment, with good amount of time and limited money to spend, you can acheived it.

But if you failed to control yourself there are many risk that you will experienced, better to understand everything before involving yourself into gambling.

Therefore, it is quite difficult to overcome the problem of addiction, especially if it is at a high level, which means that there are no precautions and restrictions on what they do in their gambling involvement, I have also often said in previous posts that those who are already addicted will be able to stop or at least reach a realization when they have experienced the worst thing they feel as a result of their gambling activities that have gone too far in the sense that it is too excessive as you said whether it is losing a very large amount of money or mental damage or also the destruction of the family, of course things that are likely to traumatize them then I believe they will be able to realize and really have the intention to change.

Exactly and of course your idea is correct that gambling is not a place to earn, it is nothing more than a place of entertainment to fill the empty time when you are bored during work holidays, but strangely they always override this fact by saying various reasons that refer to gambling as a place to earn, such as exchanging the pleasure of the thrill you get for a sum of money that you are able to account for. You really have to have a logical point of view and understanding if you don't want to end up like the suffering people who are already addicted.
1673  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What are some things you should always avoid while gambling ? on: December 22, 2023, 06:08:19 PM
I will never get tired of saying and suggesting that you should never get your hopes up, especially not with excessive levels of victory, something that you see as tempting is basically nothing more than a temptation that will trap you to be carried away further. You need to be strict in applying some self-control and boundaries as well as being fully aware when the session is already underway, because sometimes even though you have prepared in advance it is always inevitable that you will forget all your precautions when something that looks tempting you find there so you try to take advantage of the situation and end up regretting that it turned out to be a trap.

Awareness and understanding of the possible risks plays a very important role in safety because it prevents you from taking some out-of-control actions that can certainly make you disappointed at the end of the session such as greed for something much bigger.
1674  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How do casino owners benefit from creating multiple casinos? on: December 22, 2023, 05:48:03 PM
The gambler after get bored with one game,he will look for the other game.So to keep the gamblers to their gambling site,the gambling owner should keep more game available in the gambling site.This help the gambler to keep engaged in the same gambling site because of more available of games.If the gamblers win,it help to get some money.But the gambling sites will get more fee from every game played by the gambler.If the gambler win or loss doesn’t affect the gambling site.The diversification of funds with various games in the gambling site was the common behaviour of the gamblers who were gamblers from the longer period.
Base on your explanation, it means there's no point to have more than one casino lol. If someone want to play other game, it doesn't need to have other casino since one casino can include gambling providers as many as possible.

It's wrong if you say win or lose doesn't affect the casino, if many gamblers are win, the casino will going to bankrupt. I don't think many gamblers are use many casinos to diversify their portfolio.

Yes that makes sense buddy, to be honest I really don't think that the purpose of the city to make more than one casino so that they can increase the number of games that can provide new interest to every gambler who comes, because the logic is of course as you say that with just one casino they  can actually provide as many games as possible, after all, from several casinos that I have visited they already have thousands or even tens of thousands of games while usually gamblers will only enter a few favorite games, and simply I don't think it's possible for them to feel a lack of games with the many games that have been provided from just one casino.

So in my opinion, what makes more sense is the purpose of the bookie to make more casinos, which is obviously one of them that looks striking is that they want  to reach more audiences which of course can increase their income, no more than ordinary business when we have many branches then obviously our profits will also multiply at the same time. The other thing of course is that it makes sense that if a lot of gamblers get a win then indirectly the casino's income will decrease or even go bankrupt, but I think it is unlikely that the casino  will go bankrupt if there are a lot of visitors who come because after all all their algorithm system is regulating  and that is why there are still more losers than winners because the system makes the percentage of winning much smaller than the chances of winning..
1675  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread on: December 22, 2023, 05:16:08 PM

Leverkusen has certainly proven to be one of the best teams this season and are currently at the top of the table in the German league. Last season we saw that this team was not in that good form, but in the current season they have come in great form, and they have won every match in a remarkable way. Leverkusen is the only team to have not lost a match against the opposition so far this season. Coach Xabi has come to Leverkusen this season and has been providing great mentorship to the players, which has led them to an unbeaten side so far. However, with the excellent performance this team has started this season, we think they have the potential to win the Bundesliga and they can.

It is like day and night if you compare Leverkusen after 16 gamedays from last season to this season. They are better this season in every regard. It's a totally different team and I like how Alonso discovered some new names that are now among the best players in the Bundesliga. In my opinion this is one of the best qualities a coach can have. Build a team with reasonable financial scope and disvover players that can rise within no time and compete with the best of the best.

Of course, I think you are not the only one who is so surprised by the speed of change experienced by Leverkusen that you say that this difference is like night and day if we compare them now and last season, I agree with that  idea because clearly I think it is the same There was absolutely no previous indication shown by Leverkusen at the end of last season about changes this season.

Truly unexpectedly, Leverkusen management was not wrong in choosing a new coach to replace Gerardo Seoane, since the arrival of Their competitors are top  class teams and are always favored by most people. On the other hand, to be honest, I just hope they can maintain their  consistency until the end of the season because it will definitely be very interesting when we see a new, very strong team involved in hot competition to break Bayern Munich's dominance.
1676  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you think that this is aperfect analogy of how gambling addiction starts? on: December 22, 2023, 04:32:26 PM

If the winnings at gambling were not money then I think very few people would be addicted to it or even none. Grin
But the fact is that casinos make money as the object of winnings or meaning winnings in the form of money which in fact all humans on earth need money, and when they get money from gambling intentionally or not then obviously they will think that it seems like a good place to earn, so of course as you said that it all starts with a cycle of winnings that are usually not too big for the initial stage which then they want such results to be repeated again with a larger amount of winnings.

The excitement and pleasure reaction resulting from earning almost makes them forget the real facts in gambling about probability that eventually some controls and limits over time are forgotten, but when they try it again it turns out that the results do not match the previous ones which means that in the next session they lose. The question is will they stop? No, curiosity and the inability to accept the harsh reality will play a role because they were able to get a win before. They will think that "the same old win will definitely be repeated", strangely they are so sure about it that they are unconsciously addicted and their money is eroded.

Most times these gamblers think ",hey it's high time I stopped gambling,  I'm losing lots of money " but greed won't let them think straight and stop gambling,  it keeps telling them "keep pushing,  today might be your winning day, don't stop, don't be a coward..."   This is enough motivation to work even harder gambling.  The very moment they record one win,  they forget about all their losses in the past. This one win becomes a great push for them to invest even more. This they do until they get drowned in gambling,  then family and friends begin to get worried over his change of behaviour,  his finances becomes affected,  he pays little attention to other hobbies and activities.  His life just got ruined and he's not even aware of it. Many people who got addicted don't even know they are addicted until they begin to experience one problem or the other as a result of gambling.

The problem is that awareness will not be easy to achieve when basically in their little hearts they still hope for a victory, maybe you also know that in every session there will always be things that look like tempting when it is nothing but a trap to keep them there, and if basically they still have hope then it is obviously very difficult to think realistically to encourage awareness even though they already know that losing situations always occur at the end of the session or that means disappointing results always dominate.

It is obvious that all gamblers will say "this time I will definitely be able to be one of the lucky ones among the 10 playing on the table" but the fact that happens at the end of the session always slaps them, and I say it is a cycle because of course the next time they will also motivate themselves by putting new confidence in the next session, as I said above that the problem is that they are too excessive in hope and come with the wrong understanding. Exactly, for the situation of people who are already addicted they will recover from dozens of defeats when they manage to get one victory, when in reality the number is not balanced and the number of losses is still far greater. So it is right to say that this is a cycle that will continue to repeat itself based on excessive expectations that of course make them always curious.
1677  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can Gambling affect your relationship? on: December 22, 2023, 04:13:21 PM
I think gambling will really benefit when people come with the right goals and point of view, so I think it's less likely for them to overdo it which can certainly cause them a lot of problems especially with their finances. Obviously if someone wants to enter a serious phase and commit with their partner to become a family then inevitably I think it's best that they stop, I understand it's difficult but maybe you can do it slowly starting with reducing gambling activities and the amount of budget allocated because of course there will be many needs that must be fulfilled.

Honestly I think that even if they have pretty good control and boundaries and also have fairly stable finances in my opinion there will always be concerns that are likely to occur. The worry is when you unconsciously enter the addiction phase which can eventually affect the finances of your family, so I still think stopping is better and you can do it slowly.

Dealing up with something isnt really that bad as long everything should really be in moderation. You cant really just that make yourself that ending up on a disaster if you are really just that responsible and mindful on the things that you are really that doing. It isnt really just that limited to finances but also into relationships as well on which we know that once you have compromised something which it isnt really just that limited money but also with time and treatment into your loved ones or other people then this do really signifies that there's  something wrong into the things that you've been doing.
Actions would be made would really be just that depending entirely on you on how you would gonna act into this one.

Can gambling affect your relationship? Of course on which on the time that you have kept a secret into your loved ones, compromise time spent and other related things then
it is better to stop and get rid of gambling immediately before you would be losing your loved ones and pretty much sure we dont all liking for it to happen.
This is why it would be best that you should be wary on the actions that you are taking.

Right, and the point is that whatever impact you will experience someday will always depend on how you treat the activity, if indeed you do it in the wrong way and approach then obviously don't be strange if someday you will experience bad impacts as a result, but sometimes it's like there are people who don't realize their mistakes and don't evaluate that the way they do it is really not recommended so they have to experience bad impacts like that. So of course everything really depends on how they treat and address gambling itself, if indeed they come with the right understanding and also with a good level of awareness then I think actually this activity will not really affect the finances in your relationship later, but however overall obviously I would prefer anyone to stop if possible.

Basically the risk of gambling is not only going to have a financial impact but obviously you also agree that this activity has an impact on a relationship which can certainly make them lose trust with their partner, because after all gambling activities are always synonymous with a very negative point of view in the eyes of society, so of course there is nothing better than stopping, there is no other reason because they can do it slowly.
1678  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Beginner needs your advices in gambling. on: December 22, 2023, 03:53:26 PM
It is frustrating when members of the forum allways talk about being addicted to gambling as a crime or offence to nature. In life no one is perfect, regardless of the level of discipline anyone have there is something that unconsciously they are addicted to. It could be drugs, sex, money, and smoking e.t.c. There are lot to mention, i just mentioned the ones that are popular and much in the society.

You should understand why a lot of members on the forum here buttress the point about excessive gambling and how it could slowly lead to addiction. Addiction to gambling or the other vices you mentioned is extremely dangerous and not to be taken lightly. It destroys lives and relationships.
People here always and rightfully talk about it cause they understand just how important it is to spread word and awareness on how addiction wrecks people.
It may not be against the law to get addicted to gambling or other things but society frowns and generally shuns addicts.
That's why it's important to remind users, especially if they're beginners, they will definitely play recklessly and go beyond their limits, so it's easy to become addicted to gambling, forcing them to continue playing to recover their losses. I think we all talked about the dangers of this addiction which really damages anyone, there are many cases of people committing suicide. because of gambling addiction, many family relationships are destroyed because of gambling addiction.

There are so many negative impacts that will be felt by people who are addicted to gambling, which is why it is important to remind anyone on this forum, whether they are beginners or active gamblers, that no matter who they are, everyone has the right to get advice from other gambling players who may have lots of experience on how to avoid gambling addiction. Don't take this matter lightly because it is very serious

Our goal, especially those in this forum, is nothing more than to remind each other and be able to get a lot of valuable knowledge from the events that have been experienced by others which also certainly has the potential to change ourselves for the better, especially in terms of gambling activities that are very vulnerable to being done excessively, especially by those newbies who have just been involved who of course usually come without the right understanding. Reckless actions or approaches are usually done by beginners due to ignorance of the dangers that are lurking, so of course I am happy to be here at least to share and look for some good references from other people's experiences.

So anyway we should be able to prevent some of the potential bad things like you mentioned from happening to us by always applying the right understanding and the right perspective on gambling, because only then can we encourage awareness to stay in our minds when we are in a gambling session which can certainly prevent some out of control things from happening. On the other hand, this forum is very helpful for me because I as I said above that we can exchange ideas with others and learn from other people's experiences so that the bad things they experience do not happen to us, isn't that beneficial? Wink
1679  Economy / Economics / Re: Setting up financial structures before going into the family way on: December 22, 2023, 03:33:50 PM
The thing is ..... most men are thinking with their little head.. when the hormones are raging. They go blindly into a marriage without any thought of the financial consequences. They even start with a family, before they are able to support it.

Those kinds of marriages are doomed to fail, because the foundation are flawed from the start. The financial aspect of the marriage are just ONE of the several challenges that new couples have to face.... so they are starting with a marriage where there are many issues from the start and that might be too much for many young people.

Of course, such people do not take into consideration from various sides from the start, I think they are too focused on their lusts so desperate to carry out a marriage that is not based on careful preparation in any case, especially financially.

Honestly, I see that it is not uncommon for some young people to get married at an age that is too early and below the average in general, seeing from that alone we can actually see and judge that in terms of personal and mental readiness, it is actually still not qualified for people who are still around 20 years old because their mindset is still fairly immature, And also clearly in terms of finance if they are born from ordinary people (not one of the rich families) then I think it is unlikely for them to have enough finances to support their small family later, so it is not uncommon and even very often some couples who end up failing or divorcing at the age of marriage that is not too long due to finances that do not meet all needs. Love is important for a strong bond but money is equally important for a decent life.
1680  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you regret also for ever knowing about gambling? on: December 22, 2023, 03:07:03 PM
I have never met anyone who blames other people for their gambling unless that person regrets not being as lucky as other people who can win large bets because basically gambling is a game that has a high appeal for someone who even knows it themselves, not from other people, maybe that What they regret is that they have experienced more losses than profits so far.
A gambler who blames other people for his involvement in gambling may have lost his mind or it could be a form of frustration because he experienced a big loss even though he initially jumped in because he saw the person who invited him managed to win quite a fantastic amount. Players must know that what happens to other gamblers is not a guarantee that it will also happen to us even if we follow what they do, for example the type of game, such as slots, dice card games or lottery, unless we bet on sports we will get the same result, win or lose if we follow other people's bets, but the results of games based on luck will not be the same from one gambler to another.

Yes, your statement is very possible and makes sense to be used as a reason why there are some gamblers who blame others for their gambling involvement, losing is one of the factors that makes them feel frustrated and upset, of course something out of control is very likely to be done when gamblers are in such situations, one of which is of course blaming others is one of the things that can happen.

Yes in gambling it should be the risk that should be more understood than the chances of winning, because after all if we are lucky then we will also be able to get the same winnings as others get, but unfortunately they don't think about this, in my opinion it's because they are too ambitious for a win, like you said that they think they will be able to get the number of wins like others they see, when in fact such results will not always happen for you. So basically I think it's the misunderstanding of the concept of gambling and how luck works that's at the heart of the problem if you're involved in a purely luck type of gambling. I think that's good advice, if you or they are more focused on winning then it's better to be involved in sports betting only because the percentage of losses will not be too high and you can get closer to winning if you have good enough skills.
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