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1881  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 11, 2017, 05:24:07 AM

oh it's you son, it's you all right.

Did Fluffy refund you?

This is the 12th time you've needed to get this information removed by the mod from memory?

anyways...run along now and get some instructions on what to post.  Cool

Bad Ceti!  Bad!  I've had the mermaid on ignore for years now, and you made me see something I must respond to.  It (the mermaid thing) claims that the reduction in total supply of coins effected how hard it was to mine back in March 2014.  This is not true.  The first time it had and effect was in January 2015, where there was a reduction of ~7% of rewards.  Ultimately, the reduction in rewards mirrors Bitcoin, only on a smoother scale.  It reduces 1/14 of payouts roughly each year and Bitcoin reduces by half every 4 years.  The calculations are basically the same after 4 years with Dash.  But regarding mining in March, 2 months after launch, there was no change caused by the vote to reduce mining rewards ~7% each year.

wow! after all this time and you become a legendary, legendary loudmouth, legendary shill, legendary liar...

topic: "Darkcoin reward schedule vote" 
author: Evan Duffield
thread:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=525093.0

note: don't go in the water with the mermaid, you'll just get drowned with facts bitch Tongue

now...after all this shills appearing around, did anyone of these bitches answered if Evan did really hide the "masternode concept" before launching and after 1 month since this shitcoin is launched?
1882  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 11, 2017, 01:50:34 AM
snip...
Evan knows and hides his masternodes plan before launching the coin and for a month after the instamine, and i can say that it is done deceptively so he and his cohorts can accumulate more

It was Evan and one other person (his former business partner) who started Dash AKA Xcoin/Darkcoin back then.
The other person dumped all his coins early on thinking they would never be worth much, kinda like the guy who paid 10k BTC for a pizza. So much for your grand conspiracy theory, LOL.


the question still stands... did he deceptively hides his masternode plans or not in the period i mentioned?
I just read a Darkcoin whitepaper from march 2014 that talks about masternodes and Darksend/privatesend, supposedly there is another white paper before that but i don't have it. Either way, I bought my first Darkcoins in march 2014 for .55 cents because of the privacy focus not masternodes. You or anyone else could have bought cheap dash back then too, hell you could have bought around a year ago for ~$2. Sorry you missed out and are now butthurt. Stop complaining and Buy now before you have to pay $100 a year from now. Dump your monero, buy Dash, thank me later. Grin


march 2014, i think that's the time where i tried to mine darkcoins, and for just 2 months i've seen that it is already too late to grab some, why? because Evan forked darkcoin from 84M to 21M, i haven't research then the Xcoin beginnings..but when i've seen some info about it..its over. no more darkcoins for me bye bye.

so you are saying there is a whitepaper that says he is masternoding darkcoins since or before launch? i like to see them here.

EDIT: sorry ceti, its a good tactic to attack me and it would really hurt losing that amount of money...the only problem is..he's not me  Cheesy
1883  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 11, 2017, 01:44:46 AM
Did mermaid-turd say something? Could've sworn I just saw his sewage mug here somewhere.

Anyway: Dash is proving its epic resilience as usual in this flash crash meltdown bloodbath



Let us not forget how much our little troll friend lost on monero dice

http://monerodice.pd.to/user.php?username=Ariel

This user has legendary status   which means 5000 XMR or more has been betted at once. Ariel has made 1 bets with avarage size of 11136.000000000000 XMR

-11626 (Total Profit/Loss)

lets 11,626 XMR = $139,000 USD

interesting stats for the site. Hope the seed isn't rigged.

i wish i have that amount of money...let alone just gambling it haha..

so you guys resorted to smear campaign, instead of answering my "masternode deception inquiry" ?..

remember guys you have to answer my inquiry with convincing logic and reason..if not, this topic will go to "altcoin discussion section" for reference and wider public exposure  Wink
1884  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 11, 2017, 01:28:13 AM
snip...
Evan knows and hides his masternodes plan before launching the coin and for a month after the instamine, and i can say that it is done deceptively so he and his cohorts can accumulate more

It was Evan and one other person (his former business partner) who started Dash AKA Xcoin/Darkcoin back then.
The other person dumped all his coins early on thinking they would never be worth much, kinda like the guy who paid 10k BTC for a pizza. So much for your grand conspiracy theory, LOL.


the question still stands (we wil inject the actors later--we'll have time for that)... did he deceptively hides his masternode plans or not in the period i mentioned?
1885  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 11, 2017, 12:55:22 AM
*facepalm*

Dear little arielshit!

You really are retarded beyond redemption.

I now realize you're so butthurt over Dash because you only invest in coins in which the creator does not have a fucking clue what he wants to do with it after launch.

This is why you're so infuriated by a quote like this

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Great, now that everything is stable, I'll be posting later about the vision of this project and milestones! Time to move on to actually implementing what I set out to do.

It's too hard for you to grasp the concept of having a concept and a vision. You're such an angry sad little turd who missed out on the greatness and success of Dash that you're trying to portray the very idea of planning for success as something evil.

You really have a mental insanity that can never be cured.

I recommend brain-extraction therapy as the only viable solution.

All the best, Kiss

The sane part of mankind

its either you missed the point or you are dodging the point...and the point is Evan knows and hides his masternodes plan before launching the coin and for a month after the instamine, and i can say that it is done deceptively so he and his cohorts can accumulate more as if the instamine wasn't enough.

c'mon i know you know what i'm talking about. stop beating around the bush buddy  Wink

and where is TaoOfSaatoshi? i want you to produce an explanation to this....and a video too  Grin

great! the shills are appearing ang burying my post haha (a well known DASH shill tactic, specially with large pics) ... debunk this dipshits
1886  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 10, 2017, 11:15:43 PM
I concur. The disgusting and vicious lie that Evan supposedly "lied" about not launching the coin and then launched it without announcement anyway is especially pathetic when all you have to do is scroll down to see him clearly announce the launch beforehand to anyone interested. Argument from butthurt: Confirmed!

I've seen the same Manuro hater lie-tactic perpetuated in another instance where they said the client didn't compile "intentionally" so that Evan had an unfair advantage when just 2 posts later the person complaining admitted he made a mistake and it was his own fault. Of course this was misleadingly and fraudulently omitted by our failing detractors.
Just like they omitted the fact that their shitcoin was cripplemined -provably intentionally- and was therefore launched as a criminal scam defrauding naive investors.

Great job, Tao!

i have a better angle (and topic) at looking at the instamine stuff..

how about..."masternodes concept/idea/plan" was secretly hidden from the public's eye for 1 month by Evan and co . before launching the coin and a month after the instamine.

that's right, the one you guys are non-stop posting like on every page on this thread "MASTERNODES"  Grin

check the dates Wink

this will give you folks a different angle on the instamine (crosspost from why dash instamine matters thread)

dash's first month


Ok I get it now. So it is no good. But can anyone explain why the price is rising?

It's rising because it's one of the most coherent monetary assets on coinmarketcap, being that it retains bitcoin's blokchain transparency while improving massively on its fungibility to the point that distinguishing characteristics between addresses are effectively eliminated.

Further, Dash has established a balanced approach between reserve and currency markets thats almost unmatched by any other cryptocurrency asset. That's to say that while some proportion of the coin supply is made available by holders on exchanges for trading, a significant proportion of the rest of it is deployed on the network and earns a return for its holders.

This is in fact not really true.  The coins held in Master nodes are not production investment that earns interest as in a normal currency reserve system, where "saving" is in fact (delegated) investment in production capital.  In other words, "saved" money in a normal monetary economy are not "put in a box" but are again actively used by entrepreneurs to buy production capital.  That money keeps flowing, in other words, it is not locked up in a box as is the case in a Master node.

The "interest earning" in Master nodes is nothing else but a re-distribution of seigniorage by mining ; in other words, a tax on every currency holder, that goes in the pockets of Master node holders: a transfer of wealth from active users to "passive possessors".

In a normal economy, the interest earned comes from the risk taken.  A master node locked up doesn't take the slightest bit of risk but earns 45% of the seigniorage.

You can say that in bitcoin too, there is inflation because of mining.  However, because in bitcoin, the full seigniorage goes to the miner, that miner will also be pushed by competition to BURN most of the seigniorage in PoW.  In DASH, because the miner will only receive 45% of the seigniorage, competition will only make him burn 45% of the seigniorage in PoW, and the rest goes in the pockets of Master nodes and the "gouvernors".  Now, that is EXTREMELY SIMILAR to central banking and their interest rates on issued currency feeding a whole bunch of elite with free money, taxed by inflation on all the others.

In bitcoin, at least, this "tax" is entirely (or almost entirely) burned by PoW, so there is not really a self-accumulation of wealth without risk by the "richies of the first hour(s)".

Also because of this lucrative locking up of a large part of the money supply in master nodes, the ACTUAL available market cap of DASH is way lower than is calculated, because the available coin supply is seriously lower than the total number of coins existing.  

But all this is not to point out that DASH is a kind of rip off.  There is simply no other way to do some form of automated secured coinjoin mixing with bitcoin technology: you need "trusted parties", and so you need to provide them with sufficient incentive to do so (the master nodes).  This implies re-centralisation, governance, and hence, taxes and lucrative happenings for the elite which get richer.

The remaining question is how many master nodes are under independent control.  If that number is too small, then the anonymity of the mixing becomes compromised too.




masternodes are already in plan even before they launched dash....hence the importance of the instamine to grab an astounding amount of dash

This is another lie (a lie you like to repeat again and again). I know because I was there.

Anyone can read the Dash thread from day one to check.


here goes... get ready for some ass whoopin! and check the dates


Great, now that everything is stable, I'll be posting later about the vision of this project and milestones! Time to move on to actually implementing what I set out to do.

this is posted after the 48hr instamine

ka ching! Evan and his friends pocketed a lot of coins.... great indeed very great Evan *clap* *clap*

aaaaannd before he posted this (quote below)

Evan already forked DASH from 84 Million supply to about 21 Million

and you can see him posting, WTB 20,000 and WTB 10,000 DASH  <------ the greed of this guy knows no boundary  Grin

and then this! (the vision of this project and milestones)

In reply to: http://www.reddit.com/r/DRKCoin/comments/1yit1a/using_coinjoin_for_anonymity_is_errorprone/

I'm posting this here, for everyone's benefit. Thanks!

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Hi, I am Gnosis, the Anoncoin developer working on implementing Zerocoin. First of all, I think it is excellent that there is so much interest in developing a fully anonymous currency. I am not just a developer but also a user, or I will be when an anonymous currency exists! When coin creators compete, the coin users win!
However, CoinJoin has been around for a while, and it has not seen much use for anonymity. There's a good reason for that: it's not very anonymous.
Quoting my bitcointalk post:
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CoinJoin has questionable anonymity compared to Zerocoin. The reason is that with CoinJoin, two or more users must somehow partner up and forge a transaction together. They communicate over a secure channel to do this. The coins are only mixed among these "partners." Picking partners you can trust is a significant obstacle: how can you know that your partners will "forget" the mixing that happened? One may try to repeat this 10 times with randomly chosen partners, but how can you know that your partners are not all just sock puppets of one malicious entity (on an anonymous network, it is trivial to create as many fake users as you want )? If that is the case, then your efforts are in vain.
Compare this with Zerocoin, where you put your coins in an accumulator, and they are mixed with the coins of all users who have put coins into that accumulator, since the beginning of Zerocoin. There would be a different accumulator for different denominations of Anoncoins (1, 5, 10, 50 ANC, etc.).
To put it simply, the more users' coins your coins are mixed with, the more anonymity you have.
I cannot speak to Darkcoin's implementation (or planned implementation) of CoinJoin since I cannot seem to find any specs or code on their Github or their site. If anyone knows, please point me to them.
I look forward to a practical and secure solution for anonymity from the DarkCoin devs! Smiley

First off, these are fantastic questions. The answer to implementing this in such a way where it is very difficulty to exploit is by adding cost and verification.

Here’s the gist of how I envision DarkSend to work in the long run. Some of what I’m going to mention is done, some of it I’m working on currently. I’d love some ideas on possible attack vectors on my implementation, so we can make it as bulletproof as possible.

Pools

DarkSend adds various extensions to the Bitcoin protocol for implementing transaction pooling. Like normal Coinjoin the pools take transactions in stages. The stages currently are:

POOL_STATUS_IDLE
POOL_STATUS_ACCEPTING_INPUTS
POOL_STATUS_ACCEPTING_OUTPUTS
POOL_STATUS_SIGNING
POOL_STATUS_TRANSMISSION

So the users relay these items throughout the network as the stages happen. After all items are gathered into the pool, the transactions are merged together into one, remotely signed and then broadcasted.

Masters

To defeat propagation problems, master nodes are elected each new block. They are responsible for being the authority of what goes into the joined transaction each session. This is done in a tamperproof way, but I think it’s not important to the discussion.


So what is the cost?

There must be a cost to using this anonymous network, otherwise like you say there will be issues with millions of accounts popping up. I’m not dead set on which solution(s) to implement, but here’s a couple ideas:

Burnt Identities

Higher difficulty shares to the current block would be mined and then stored in the blockchain permanently. Multiple of these would be used for each transaction and would be “burnt” when misused, causing the attacker to have to mine them again.  

Verification?

To use the pools it will require unique unspend outputs, someone that wants to mess with the system would have to have a large pool of funds in many addresses. So to attack a pool with 100 slots, you would require funds dispersed to 99 addresses, on 99 nodes working in common.

Other possible fee-less solutions?

There is interesting research on protecting against sybil attacks that lends itself really well to a decentralized ledger, such as this paper:

http://dimacs.rutgers.edu/Workshops/InformationSecurity/slides/gamesandreputation.pdf

The idea is to build a social graph of the inputs and outputs of each entry and they should all know different people. If 99 of them all have the same “friends” that they associate with, then they’ll have to enter a different pool. Which will ensure the pool is not full of the nodes belonging to the attacker.

An application for machine learning?

I’m been making models for trading equities for over 7 years now. I ran a financial firm that sold the signals for a few years and I have experience with natural language processing using classifiers. So, I could make a classifier and actually embed it into Darkcoin to determine which pool a node should use, to separate out nodes that seem to be in common.

Other ideas?

I’m open to ideas on how to provide the best security to the network. I would love to hear what people have in mind.

I’ve been working on DarkSend about a month and we’ve already fixed the decentralization and propagation issues, this is just another bridge to cross in the future.

Thanks!

BOOM! a month after the launch date (instamine), accumulation and forking the coin...GREAT indeed Evan *clap* *clap*


postlude...


it is not about just bugs in the code, its about how sneaky and untrustworthy dash beginnings is.
1887  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: My new ZEC + XMR+ ETH thread builds info links thoughts and photos. on: February 10, 2017, 04:12:20 AM
speaking of a failing riser...i have one that i fixed last night (it was from 2013-2014 mining days)..

the symptom was, the card is detected (windows 7 64bit), but when it started mining the driver crashed, and that specific card will not mine like the others..

in troubleshooting:
    usb 3.0 wire - good
    power connections of riser to PSU and GPU to PSU - good
    plug a good card - failed too
    plug the card with issue directly to motherboard - it runs fine.

solution:
    i removed the cover underneath the riser, there was no burn..it was the white stuff solidified along the soldered parts of the riser, i think it was from the soldering paste used in manufacturing those risers (must be creating shorts)...i just used a fine steel brush and brushed those white stuff away and everything is fine again.

That stuff is most likely soldering flux.

http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/170941/why-do-we-need-to-remove-flux-from-circuit-boards

i made a typo error btw, i mean "and that specific card will not mine unlike the others.."

anyway...just pointing out a place where we can look for troubles
1888  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: My new ZEC + XMR+ ETH thread builds info links thoughts and photos. on: February 10, 2017, 02:26:26 AM
Corsair 750w (for 3 RX470)

I have the same problem even if I disable the 2 good working cards.

I have no idea left .. no big deal, just one GPU, but I like to have everything perfect !

So 1 card stand alone on the rig.

And it still does this?

Is it one of the ones I sold you?

Is it running on the evga  mobo I sold you?

Basically sounds like a failing card.

Or a failing mobo.

Or a falling psu.

or a failing riser.

Risers have caps. And caps are like a rechargeable battery if they are failing they can cause your symptom.

I lose track of the inventory I sell.  I know I sold 5 xfx 1 fan short 470s.  They were flawless.

I also sold quite a few blower style cards to you. Sapphire if I recall.   They were weird at times.  Is it one of them?

speaking of a failing riser...i have one that i fixed last night (it was from 2013-2014 mining days)..

the symptom was, the card is detected (windows 7 64bit), but when it started mining the driver crashed, and that specific card will not mine like the others..

in troubleshooting:
    usb 3.0 wire - good
    power connections of riser to PSU and GPU to PSU - good
    plug a good card - failed too
    plug the card with issue directly to motherboard - it runs fine.

solution:
    i removed the cover underneath the riser, there was no burn..it was the white stuff solidified along the soldered parts of the riser, i think it was from the soldering paste used in manufacturing those risers (must be creating shorts)...i just used a fine steel brush and brushed those white stuff away and everything is fine again.
1889  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 09, 2017, 07:49:28 PM
Did Evan lose his account on bitcointalk?   He hasn't posted in almost 3 months.  Last post was Nov 16th to be exact.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg16897023#msg16897023

maybe he has better things to do that post here? I'm just thinking aloud



or maybe he has a few bitcointalk puppet accounts.

you might want to take a look at this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1282836.0 he might have one or two in there.

hmmm i'm thinking i might add you wackyD(uffield) and dafdaf(field) in the list...both of you are quite getting active here  Grin

man, you are proper dumb..
why don't you stop and think - why would a busy dev get onto a troll forum to pick fights with stupid randoms such as yourself? xD

anyway, all this provides me lots of entertainment on quiet days



he hires people to do the hard work...he knows things, but for sure he have time for some bitcointalking, just like in the past..

he didn't get to legendary status with "Activity: 1162" for nothing  Wink (registered in April 2013 )


.....unlike Vitalik Buterin who started a project from scratch with new ideas who registered here in 2011 but still only at sr. member here at bitcointalk  Wink

you get what i'm saying?? wacky Duffield?  Grin

people who will know the reality of this great project are keen to hard work and ambitious too.

no. this is the reality...can't blame you newb..


So yes there is ideology behind this coin : privacy, liberty, freedom, try to make the world less directed by "power" and more with the heart...

I hope that changing the name will not make the ideology behind it change too, otherwhise it will failed.

There's no ideology in something that nobody uses. The ideology's in the design, not the name. Vertoe is justified in leaving over not being consulted but less so over 'ideology'.

It's not a rock song that's being built here it's electronic money.

The name can easily be compromised without any loss of principle but the functionality can't. So Evan has got his priorities right in that regard.

no.

i left because i disagree darkcoin or however it will be called next year is not a decentralized entity. it never was but i ignored it as long as darkcoin was following the same path i was following. the path to total financial privacy. and thats why i am so upset about how this currency is lead by a single person. darkcoin is like an old conservative company with strong hierarchical comamnd structures and a single person on the top of the pyramid. evan duffield. the rebranding using a detergent name was just a step forward in creating something like apple or paypal. fuck this i tell you. what we need is a trustless, decentralized and anonymous currency. darkcoin is not decentralized as it still relies on a single person. and this reaches deep into the code base.

the core devs were just a bunch of volunteers exploited for the big thing. the extended darkcoin team was the same with even a lower place to sit on that pyramid. and what was the darkcoin foundation again? right, something to reserve some rights on some names and collect money. who nominated and voted for the foundation board? who does even know who are these guys? how did we learn about the foundation? from local news papers! the team listings kept counting names of people nobody ever noticed before. and they never committed anything visible to the community or the repository. and i was spending 25 hours a day monitory everything that happened in the darkcoin community for more than a year. the things going on here are fishy, intransparent and rely on a single entity.

i will get out and and will contribute to something decentralized and anonymous. i always hoped darkcoin could fill that void. i cant blame anyone to stay with this project. you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space. whatever. you are not here because darkcoin is something it claims to be.

if you disagree with my statement above, i dont care, but answer that simple question: what if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?

good luck


EDIT: who knows? maybe one of this loudmouth idiots below my post is Evan himself..  Grin
1890  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Starting up a Cryptonote Coin for our micronation. on: February 09, 2017, 07:42:22 PM
what's stopping you to use an existing coin? with the help of outside network, the coin of your micro nation will be more decentralized and more healthy in a way that there are more users of a said coin, unless your micro nation wanted to own majority of the coins and sees that it would be better in general.
1891  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 09, 2017, 06:48:37 AM
Did Evan lose his account on bitcointalk?   He hasn't posted in almost 3 months.  Last post was Nov 16th to be exact.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg16897023#msg16897023

maybe he has better things to do that post here? I'm just thinking aloud



or maybe he has a few bitcointalk puppet accounts.

you might want to take a look at this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1282836.0 he might have one or two in there.

hmmm i'm thinking i might add you wackyD(uffield) and dafdaf(field) in the list...both of you are quite getting active here  Grin

man, you are proper dumb..
why don't you stop and think - why would a busy dev get onto a troll forum to pick fights with stupid randoms such as yourself? xD

anyway, all this provides me lots of entertainment on quiet days



he hires people to do the hard work...he knows things, but for sure he have time for some bitcointalking, just like in the past..

he didn't get to legendary status with "Activity: 1162" for nothing  Wink (registered in April 2013 )


.....unlike Vitalik Buterin who started a project from scratch with new ideas who registered here in 2011 but still only at sr. member here at bitcointalk  Wink

you get what i'm saying?? wacky Duffield?  Grin
1892  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 09, 2017, 03:28:38 AM
Did Evan lose his account on bitcointalk?   He hasn't posted in almost 3 months.  Last post was Nov 16th to be exact.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg16897023#msg16897023

maybe he has better things to do that post here? I'm just thinking aloud



or maybe he has a few bitcointalk puppet accounts.

you might want to take a look at this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1282836.0 he might have one or two in there.

hmmm i'm thinking i might add you wackyD(uffield) and dafdaf(field) in the list...both of you are quite getting active here  Grin
1893  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 08, 2017, 07:05:32 AM
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i believe there is a way to know that the process you mentioned can be identified as "mixing" by blockchain analysis..therefore it can be safely assumed that John received coins from mixing..

Bob's original coins were spread among participants of the mixing..therefore it can also be known how many of Bob original coins were obfuscated/lost to mixing (were split/participated in the mixing).
...

Yes, it's probably possible. So what? Mixing coins is not illegal by itself. It is still impossible to know and to prove that it was Bob who sent coins to John. That is why you should mix coins in advance and better not the exact amount you are going to spend privately.

Coinfirm will not be able to deanonymize transactions. Nobody was able to still.

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Mixing coins is not illegal by itself.

we are not talking about legality of stuff around here....it is about privacy.

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It is still impossible to know and to prove that it was Bob who sent coins to John

blockchain analysis and deduction...the secret sauce in blockchain analysis will come and its gonna hit you hard..listen how this prosecutor talk about "mixers", and she mentioned "other coins".
http://www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2016/11/01/federal-prosecutor-kathryn-haun-on-how-criminals-use-bitcoin-and-how-she-catches-them/

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That is why you should mix coins in advance and better not the exact amount you are going to spend privately.

i like you to make a manual on that for the newbs and for the next generation of crypto users heheh...like, mix a 100 coins when you are going to spend 80 coins...and oh, mix your coins on thursday before spending them in saturday LOOOOL  Grin

1894  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 08, 2017, 04:22:05 AM
...

As far as I understand how this works, you won't be able to know Bob's source address after he had mixed his coins because the coins will be scattered around numerous newly generated addresses. So the attack vector displayed in your picture is invalid.

but the source address lost let's say a 100 DASH (scattered around numerous newly generated addresses) ... the question is who lost and receives a 100 DASH..the question still stands
...
https://www.dash.org/news/dash-adds-full-support-for-amlkyc-compliance-with-coinfirm/
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The Coinfirm platform will allow for ongoing AML monitoring once fully synchronized with Dash’s blockchain. The platform will provide Dash’s corporate clients, including those who require AML/KYC compliance, with an array of solutions that fulfill and streamline processes. Verification of counterparties, automatic risk assessments, and fraud management tools will be managed and fully scalable by way of Coinfirm’s powerful solutions.

Beyond its use for commercial adoption,Coinfirm’s unique “Wealth Reports” will provide Dash users with the ability to build their verifiable Dash credit history and rating. With an accurate and trusted algorithmic scoring mechanic, entrepreneurs working with Dash will have the incentive and the infrastructure necessary to deploy new financial products and services that will meet consumer demands and grow the economy.

John received coins from a number of unknown addresses not connected with Bob in any way. The coins also came from other users (i.e., mixed) and have no connection to Bob. Bob's original coins were spread among other participants of the mixing process.

I think it should be clear that AML and "verifiable Dash credit history and rating" will be possible only for non-private transactions using unmixed coins, and Dash lets its user choose whether to use them or not. So this whole Coinfirm thing seems to be optional.

Dash people, correct me if I'm wrong Smiley

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John received coins from a number of unknown addresses not connected with Bob in any way. The coins also came from other users (i.e., mixed) and have no connection to Bob. Bob's original coins were spread among other participants of the mixing process.

yes, John received coins from a number of unknown addresses (and coins from other users-mixed coins)...i believe there is a way to know that the process you mentioned can be identified as "mixing" by blockchain analysis..therefore it can be safely assumed that John received coins from mixing..

Bob's original coins were spread among participants of the mixing..therefore it can also be known how many of Bob original coins were obfuscated/lost to mixing (were split/participated in the mixing).

back to  "AML" and "verifiable Dash credit history and rating"... i'm pointing out that these clients, even if they choose to use private send (as an option for privacy) are in danger... specially their names, address,profile etc. are already in "the record"
1895  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 08, 2017, 02:56:46 AM
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As far as I understand how this works, you won't be able to know Bob's source address after he had mixed his coins because the coins will be scattered around numerous newly generated addresses. So the attack vector displayed in your picture is invalid.

but the source address lost let's say a 100 DASH (scattered around numerous newly generated addresses) ... the question is who lost and receives a 100 DASH..the question still stands

so this is your analogy..

Bob's source address: 100 DASH ...(Bob mixes)

new gen address 2: 10
new gen address 3: 20
new gen address 4: 30
new gen address 5: 40

Blockchain analytics: fuck address 2 to 5, who received/who has/who lost a 100 DASH?

i wonder how this works  Grin

https://www.dash.org/news/dash-adds-full-support-for-amlkyc-compliance-with-coinfirm/
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The Coinfirm platform will allow for ongoing AML monitoring once fully synchronized with Dash’s blockchain. The platform will provide Dash’s corporate clients, including those who require AML/KYC compliance, with an array of solutions that fulfill and streamline processes. Verification of counterparties, automatic risk assessments, and fraud management tools will be managed and fully scalable by way of Coinfirm’s powerful solutions.

Beyond its use for commercial adoption, Coinfirm’s unique “Wealth Reports” will provide Dash users with the ability to build their verifiable Dash credit history and rating. With an accurate and trusted algorithmic scoring mechanic, entrepreneurs working with Dash will have the incentive and the infrastructure necessary to deploy new financial products and services that will meet consumer demands and grow the economy.
1896  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Found this coin on cryptocointalk (STRESS) on: February 08, 2017, 01:20:29 AM
now i really feel the STRESS at looking at this ANN section.
1897  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 08, 2017, 01:14:09 AM
some bipolar random shit

ok. you're right. sorry Smiley bye


Edit: try to grasp the concept of: ahead of time, decentralized denominated mixing  Kiss

how about...time is continuous, even if you do it ahead of time..you will still send at a given time? the question remains, who send and receive an X amount of DASH? ...

decentralized denominated mixing? ... mix whatever, whenever you want the "input and output" is what matters  Grin

.... Brain-Shutdown...what an irony  Cheesy ...see you soon
1898  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 08, 2017, 12:44:53 AM


So timing/value analisys work to backtrace dash private send?  Grin

Wow you're dumber than I thought

ahahhaahahahahahhaha

Go back to your cave and stop embarassing yourself  Grin



okay, then...let's continue this discussion ..

and oh.. don't shutdown on me like your buddies  Grin



its only pseudo claim to fame, anonymity, does not exist.

Feel free to demonstrate this claim at your convenience  Wink

Meanwhile, if you include the one design priority you deliberately left out then you'll in fact discover that Dash is as yet unsurpassed as a privacy coin  Grin


nobody answered my inquiry about blockchain analysis unmasking DASH privacy, back then...i guess it's time to show this again....DASH peddlers cmon!  Grin

BTW it was really fun watching the video, the DASH person got grilled but he is technically inclined (supposed to give good answers)...he tried to white wash the "instamine" word, suggested a better word, got lost and cannot find a better word to substitute the "instamine" LOL .... he was a fanatic and i guess that two got out of control because it will really become fun to troll that "fanatic" hehe



4) Most important, those who use PrivateSend have nothing to worry about, because the financial privacy it offers is pretty much ironclad. ICEBREAKER has been trying to crack a 4-round PrivateSend transaction that I posted nearly a year ago and still can't do it.

tl;dr Use PrivateSend, and we can't control what private companies do in any event.

- they will know you are mixing because prior to mixing they can watch your coins, and say "oh it became obfuscated therefore it was mixed"..

- and they also know that your coins came from wallet mixing because it wasn't generated by mining pools and POS masternodes...

that's a huge security hole for your privacy  Tongue



So I know that normally we aren't supposed to quote trolls, but I think these are two relatively valid points that can be easily addressed for any non-trolls that might be interested.

1) Yes, anybody who watches the blockchain will know that coins have been mixed. That's one of the core design elements of Dash--the ability to mix coins. That's like saying "They will know that a Monero user is trying to obfuscate their spending because they're using Monero." That's not really a secret. PrivateSend makes it so that they can't trace a transaction back to its source address. Nobody cares if you've mixed your coins. We all mix our coins. So what?

2) Yes, that one is also self-evident. It's right there in the blockchain. So what that those funds came from mixing? You can't trace a tx back to its source wallet, and there's your financial privacy.

It's sort of like saying "Ohhhhh...his phone is locked! He is trying to protect his privacy!"...granted...but everybody locks their phones. Unless you can bypass the lock, you don't know what's on the phone.

okay..lets expand a little

so the remaining privacy for dash is "tracing proof" but not block chain analysis


your analogy:
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It's sort of like saying "Ohhhhh...his phone is locked! He is trying to protect his privacy!"...granted...but everybody locks their phones. Unless you can bypass the lock, you don't know what's on the phone

they know what's on your phone (call logs and dates), they just can't trace whose your calling to.

1899  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 08, 2017, 12:30:48 AM
And speaking of which: Where's your down-syndrome sidekick Arielshit, anyway? I found the perfect avatar for him. It's in the center of this picture:

you summon me? boy? you want me to beat your sorry ass again? ...be careful what you wish for  Grin



you twerps get cocky every time your shitcoin pumps

remember it is not your tech that attracts money to your shitcoin...it is HYIP..

and it doesn't need some high level de anonymizing shit to bypass your privacy features..it only gets to a simple blockchain analysis, like this..



..and say goodbye to your privacy  Tongue

1900  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency on: February 05, 2017, 09:41:00 AM




that dude who was banned from reddit for trolling needs to break it or STFU  Kiss

also, he forgets BTC is governed by like 5 chinese dudes/miners.  Shocked



Dang it guys, who CARES!  Seriously!  These people are negative losers and nobody will remember them 5 years from now.  Nobody who matters listens to them.  They just pat each other on the back and reassure themselves that they're just as smart as Evan et al, and could have been successful too, if only they "cared" to do so.

Seriously, again, nobody who is anybody in business, who wants to do business with Dash, CARES!  If they did listen to such losers, they'd be fools and wouldn't be someone who mattered to us either.  Do you remember how everyone hated Bill Gates?  How evil windows is (OK, it's evil, LOL) but did that slow him down?  No!  Because he was the mover and shaker.  Same with Steve Jobs, Same with Thomas Edison.  Sure they all had their faults (personal) and we have our faults (crappy launch) but we have a fantastic team and great people with great vision.  THAT is all that matters.  These little snipers only win if they get under your skin, and you're letting them!  Don't watch the stupid show, don't give them the time of day.  Just put our heads to the grind stone, keep moving forward and staying positive, and Dash will do fantastic!

i know there is still something more out there hehe  Grin
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