[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Introducing Dash Nation Team Slack Channel

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/introducing-dash-nation-team-slack-channel.10954/

#DASH #DashNation

[ddink7]

I think we're doing really well when the Coinfirm thing is the only thing that trolls have to complain about. Consider:

1) Any company is free to conduct blockchain analytics on any blockchain, including Moneros;

2) There are many companies besides Coinfirm that are conducting blockchain analytics. My guess is that somebody somewhere was already doing blockchain analysis on our blockchain and probably everybody else's too;

3) Neither Coinfirm nor any other company needs our "permission" to do blockchain analysis on Dash;

4) Most important, those who use PrivateSend have nothing to worry about, because the financial privacy it offers is pretty much ironclad. ICEBREAKER has been trying to crack a 4-round PrivateSend transaction that I posted nearly a year ago and still can't do it.

tl;dr Use PrivateSend, and we can't control what private companies do in any event.

[arielbit]

4) Most important, those who use PrivateSend have nothing to worry about, because the financial privacy it offers is pretty much ironclad. ICEBREAKER has been trying to crack a 4-round PrivateSend transaction that I posted nearly a year ago and still can't do it.

tl;dr Use PrivateSend, and we can't control what private companies do in any event.

- they will know you are mixing because prior to mixing they can watch your coins, and say "oh it became obfuscated therefore it was mixed"..

- and they also know that your coins came from wallet mixing because it wasn't generated by mining pools and POS masternodes...

that's a huge security hole for your privacy  

[Lukas_Jackson]

What? Where those people come from?
My gawd. What an idiots. They can't understand PrivateSend after freaking two looong years. Funny idiots.
Please, come again.

[kointrend]

What? Where those people come from?
My gawd. What an idiots. They can't understand PrivateSend after freaking two looong years. Funny idiots.
Please, come again.

“He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot.”

Groucho Marx

[ddink7]

4) Most important, those who use PrivateSend have nothing to worry about, because the financial privacy it offers is pretty much ironclad. ICEBREAKER has been trying to crack a 4-round PrivateSend transaction that I posted nearly a year ago and still can't do it.

tl;dr Use PrivateSend, and we can't control what private companies do in any event.

- they will know you are mixing because prior to mixing they can watch your coins, and say "oh it became obfuscated therefore it was mixed"..

- and they also know that your coins came from wallet mixing because it wasn't generated by mining pools and POS masternodes...

that's a huge security hole for your privacy  

So I know that normally we aren't supposed to quote trolls, but I think these are two relatively valid points that can be easily addressed for any non-trolls that might be interested.

1) Yes, anybody who watches the blockchain will know that coins have been mixed. That's one of the core design elements of Dash--the ability to mix coins. That's like saying "They will know that a Monero user is trying to obfuscate their spending because they're using Monero." That's not really a secret. PrivateSend makes it so that they can't trace a transaction back to its source address. Nobody cares if you've mixed your coins. We all mix our coins. So what?

2) Yes, that one is also self-evident. It's right there in the blockchain. So what that those funds came from mixing? You can't trace a tx back to its source wallet, and there's your financial privacy.

It's sort of like saying "Ohhhhh...his phone is locked! He is trying to protect his privacy!"...granted...but everybody locks their phones. Unless you can bypass the lock, you don't know what's on the phone.

[Melnik]

New Dash slack chat. Here you can meet developers and ask any kind of questions. Also deep technical support is possible in separate chat.

https://digitalcash24.herokuapp.com/

Welcome!
***
P.S.: this slack chat is open parallel to "Dash Nation" chat and we are not fighting - collaborating.

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

New Dash slack chat. Here you can meet developers and ask any kind of questions. Also deep technical support is possible in separate chat.

https://digitalcash24.herokuapp.com/

Welcome!
***
P.S.: this slack chat is open parallel to "Dash Nation" chat and we are not fighting - collaborating.

True. Dash Nation Slack is getting off to a great start with good conversation and a great mod team. Dashbot integration will be coming soon. Make your way there when you have a minute:

http://dash-nation-invite.herokuapp.com/

Good luck with yours as well, Melnik.

Cheers,

Tao.

[qwizzie]

What? Where those people come from?
My gawd. What an idiots. They can't understand PrivateSend after freaking two looong years. Funny idiots.
Please, come again.

“He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot.”

Groucho Marx

that made me laugh ... outloud.

[MasterMined710]

New Dash slack chat. Here you can meet developers and ask any kind of questions. Also deep technical support is possible in separate chat.

https://digitalcash24.herokuapp.com/

Welcome!
***
P.S.: this slack chat is open parallel to "Dash Nation" chat and we are not fighting - collaborating.

True. Dash Nation Slack is getting off to a great start with good conversation and a great mod team. Dashbot integration will be coming soon. Make your way there when you have a minute:

http://dash-nation-invite.herokuapp.com/

Good luck with yours as well, Melnik.

Cheers,

Tao.

Thanks guys! DASH slack is so addictive. It only took me like 3 days to get fully hooked.

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

New Dash slack chat. Here you can meet developers and ask any kind of questions. Also deep technical support is possible in separate chat.

https://digitalcash24.herokuapp.com/

Welcome!
***
P.S.: this slack chat is open parallel to "Dash Nation" chat and we are not fighting - collaborating.

True. Dash Nation Slack is getting off to a great start with good conversation and a great mod team. Dashbot integration will be coming soon. Make your way there when you have a minute:

http://dash-nation-invite.herokuapp.com/

Good luck with yours as well, Melnik.

Cheers,

Tao.

Thanks guys! DASH slack is so addictive. It only took me like 3 days to get fully hooked.

It IS great isn't it? Thanks for joining.

[tungfa]

Due to recent incidents on the public slack channel and a migration from there,
the community started 2 new Slack Channel - open to all !

https://digitalcash24.herokuapp.com/

http://dash-nation-invite.herokuapp.com/

See you there ; )

[iCEBREAKER]

I think we're doing really well when the Coinfirm thing is the only thing that trolls have to complain about. Consider:

1) Any company is free to conduct blockchain analytics on any blockchain, including Moneros;

2) There are many companies besides Coinfirm that are conducting blockchain analytics. My guess is that somebody somewhere was already doing blockchain analysis on our blockchain and probably everybody else's too;

3) Neither Coinfirm nor any other company needs our "permission" to do blockchain analysis on Dash;

4) Most important, those who use PrivateSend have nothing to worry about, because the financial privacy it offers is pretty much ironclad. ICEBREAKER has been trying to crack a 4-round PrivateSend transaction that I posted nearly a year ago and still can't do it.

tl;dr Use PrivateSend, and we can't control what private companies do in any event.

"Can't control" is a cop out.

Blockstream can't control what Chainalysis does, but they don't partner with them either.  Instead, they work against them by increasing Bitcoin's fungibility.

If you want people to find bugs in PrivateSend, you'll need to offer a bug bounty.

That's how it works.

Expecting talented hax0rz to work for free is ridiculous, so I must conclude you actually don't want anyone breaking Dash's cheap cargo cult knockoff version of Coinjoin.

[tungfa]

Exploring Compliance On The Dash Blockchain

http://thedashtimes.com/2016/10/04/exploring-compliance-dash-blockchain/
 

[toknormal]

Instead, (bitcoin) work against them by increasing Bitcoin's fungibility

Thats because bitcoin has no choice. It is a non-articulated, mono-layer protocol, so, as you correctly point out, cherry picking which market services to support has become part of their "fungibility" solution.

Pretty disappointing for something which is parading itself as a "cash" medium who's whole basis of existence is to be user-agnostic isn't it.

People who say that Dash should be appealing to one market to the exclusion of another are confusing markets for "Money " with markets for "Products". The two are distinct and the fact is that Dark markets do not want their own money because it would be next to worthless if it didn't have counterparty acceptance in the mainstream to give it value through spendability.

Why do you think the $USD is the currency of choice for dark markets universally ?

For a product vendor, appealing exclusively to a given market is a choice. For a monetary medium it isn't because it won't have value in one market without seeing adoption in another.

Thats why full-fungibility, Bitcoin compatible, transparent blockchains will always reach far higher monetary premiums than their obscured counterparts - because they are far more adoptable and create a complimentary relationship between "light" and dark markets instead of an exclusive one.

At the same time, Dash supports the privacy priorities of both through an articulated protocol which means it can afford to be "market agnostic" where bitcoin and obscurity-based coins cannot.

[dnaleor]

the claims of fungibility are just BS:
DASH uses an active form of mixing, so there will always be a difference between unmixed and mixed coins
Even if the DASH privacy is rock solid (which is not the case) then DASH is still not fungible.

For your privacy claims, I will link you my article: https://steemit.com/bitcoin/@dnaleor/warning-dash-privacy-is-worse-than-bitcoin
Summary: DASH has a lot of privacy theater: it tells everybody it's private, but there are a lot of attack vectors. This can be a dangerous situation if people rely on DASH being private. Maybe in some cases it's possible to slip through the cracks, but certainly not all DASH transactions have a good privacy protection.

[ShapeShift.io]

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Download Exodus: https://www.exodus.io/

Watch the video: https://youtu.be/QO1hs90_eMY

[qwizzie]

One could almost feel sorry for these trolls ....



almost....

[noobtrader]

One could almost feel sorry for these trolls ....



almost....

im not impressed until DASH got 3x marketcap as of today

[qwizzie]

One could almost feel sorry for these trolls ....



almost....

im not impressed until DASH got 3x marketcap as of today

i bet you get impressed somewhere within the next 3 years...