When will I get my 12 Batch 1 Baby Jets?
When will i get my 12x0.4x4 TH as per MPP? |
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When will HF start shipping batch one.
Should be around the 15th of Dec. How does the mpp work for me, as batch one customer?
You should get 4x the initial hashrate the first of Feb. However, there is no delivery deadline. It could be Feb 2015, and then we are screwed. Even a few weeks late would kill every chance of having a relative return. |
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I swear they posted a picture of the wafers arriving but now I do not see it anywhere. The marketing department is at work. Pretty pictures with pretty text incoming soon on their blog. |
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What a depressing silence.
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Hi,
You are mostly correct. However, your assumption that we can only ship a 400 ghash card is not necessarily correct. The golden nonce chip is able to broken into 4 pieces - so its possible we could ship less than 400 Ghash. That said, we expect that the MPP will most likely be fully triggered.
-HashFast Team
And when will you deliver the MPP for the first batch? You are incredibly careful in forgetting to define that point on every time you talk about the MPP. |
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More and more I am regretting the purchase of 236.73 BTC on purchasing 5 Hashfast units batch 1. Now that's worth $76,227.06  +1 Damned bitcoins! Why don't you lose your value? me too.... 4 @ 210btc...... my current projection with the mpp is I will get about 160btc back by may if they ship me 4 units dec15 and give me 400% after feb1st It all depends on when/if we receive our units (expecially the mpp) in time. Anyway my initial projection when they announced the delay was 10-20% of the btc back. Now, if they ship the mpp in time, it could be as "good" as 50%+. |
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Ora cortesemente smetti di parlare di cose che non capisci e muovere sciocche accuse di conseguenza. Ero intenzionato a rispondere ma questa frase mi ha fatto cambiare idea. Hai già detto tutto quello che doveva essere detto. |
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and I feel bad that I haven't been able to provide the community with better responses. You don't have you. You were honest, it all what we care about. |
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LOL? If you want to trow away your money, BFL at least has a better website buying experience. P. S. Bitcoin price is starting to drop a lot.. Let's hope the trend to continue. |
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That you are better off buying BFL.
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So the even the current TOS is a mess. It says "Buyer must cancel the order before such unit(s) are delivered by Hashfast" but then it says "cancellation and refund is Buyer’s sole and exclusive remedy for Hashfast failing to deliver" but that's only after the delivery date. So it appears that there is no way to cancel before delivery at all which has been pointed out before is not a 100% legal way to sell things.
This one is actually funny. The first one, "Buyer must cancel the order before such unit(s) are delivered by Hashfast", is a standard point made on every sell contract. The second one, instead, is the one HF tough to have the right to add. It's a mistake, in other words. |
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cedivad, you still havent found a lawyer to take up your case?
That's correct, but that was before the last updates. The fact that i'm from oversea and that i can only send emails doesn't help. Now that we have proofs (or rather, a self admission) that they would have never have shipped by their promised shipping date, everything could change. |
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[...]So you can forget BTC refunds. Again, i completely agree with you, but that doesn't change anything. From my point of view, promising BTC refunds is just another way to prove how fake they are. |
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The game is rigged in their favor. This is how all these asic developers operate. They have openly lied about their first promised shipping date, so yes, they might hold the whip hand, but i'm confident that a legal route against them is possible. For how much? I don't know, it depends on how much BTC grows. |
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Also, please not with how much attention they fail to give a deadline for shipping the MPP, and they only talk about the "benefits", and how they are calculated. We all know that regardless of when you ship us the BJ, we would have to receive 4 times the hashrate anyway, at this point they are useless. For those of you covered under the Miner Protection Program™ ( https://hashfast.com/miner-protection-program/), this delay will not affect the starting point from which benefits are calculated. For First Batch Baby Jets, the start date of the program will be retroactive to October 30th. We want to make sure a delayed ship date does not reduce the value of the program. |
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Indeed, you are right. The product was priced in USD and so, we should only get an USD refund. However, they always promised, several times here in the forum, that if refunds where to happen, they would have been of the original BTC amount. Also, when an user of this forum went to visit them one week ago, they repeated that point. If refunds where to happen, they would have been for the original BTC amount. So, while i completely agree with you that we are not gonna see BTC refunds, i'm awaiting for when they will issue USD refunds and they will have lied another time. Now since the only payment option is in BTC Will I get the same ammount of BTC back should you fail to deliver by December 31st?
Orders are taken in BTC, in the unlikely event we get to refunds they will be given in BTC. HashFast has completed logical and physical design, paid their NRE, taped-out a very complex chip in record-breaking time (over a month ago), and expects their TMSC wafers to be done next week.
Cointerra might have done some of those things, but we don't know. In any case, Cointerra's chips won't be here for another two months, at best.
To summarize for the TL;DR crowd:
HashFast - chips done next week
Dear HF, Cointerra didn't ask 15$/GH for an October delivery. They are asking 3$/GH. Can you spot the difference? You lied knowing what you where doing, they are simply late. |
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As projected, the mid november delivery dateline was only the last lie and as per last announcement, we are now looking at a mid december timeline. That's 15 days before the refund timeline, that was promised to be of the same btc amount of our purchases. We will probably see how much they lied to us on that point too, if they fail to deliver by the end of the year and we will ask for a refund. (and btc will be at 500$).
They will start refunding in fiat sometime in December. Regardless, if they have the miners of not. It makes a perfect business sense to do the refunds and mine or auction this production run in January. They are protected by the contract you guys agreed to when you placed your orders. They will be nothing you can do legally. They lied. The whole time. There is a lot we can do legally. And they cannot issue USD refunds, since that they always promised BTC refunds. |
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Just to clarify, it's "lied" to "laid". Thanks, i even tried to look it up before. Makes sense. |
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As projected, the mid november delivery dateline was only the last lie and as per last announcement, we are now looking at a mid december timeline. That's 15 days before the refund timeline, that was promised to be of the same btc amount of our purchases. We will probably see how much they lied to us on that point too, if they fail to deliver by the end of the year and we will ask for a refund. (and btc will be at 500$).
However, the reason i'm writing this post, is that they openly admitted that they are reciving the silicon from TSMC only on those days. See their last blogpost for more info.
They are, in other words, openly admitting that they lied to us from the beginning, it would have been impossible to ship the first batch of orders at the end of October, if they are receiving the silicon at the firsts days of november (additional time is required to have the chips ready, at least 10 days, 30 in this case).
What i wanted to be able to prove with a court order to show the contract, was openly admitted by them.
They don't even care anymore, they know to be guilty and that we have all the proof needed, but yet, they don't care.
PS: HASHF.AT is a lovely domain name, isn't it?
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Every early august customer should demand HF a full refund. They have no reason not to. They keep promising that the refund will be BTC, right? We will see how fake that was.
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