Si tu as été banni parce que tu t'opposais à Abou, alors pas de problème je me barrerai avec toi de ce forum de barges et on ira se boire une pinte ensemble. Par contre d'après ce que j'entends tu as été banni parce que tu as triple-posté en faisant de surcroit du hors-sujet (ou quadruple-posté, je ne suis plus sûr ?), ce qui est directement en contradiction avec les règles du forum (rapport à la bdd, et puis aussi à l'aisance de lecture pour les gens, c'est une question de bienséance). Je dois admettre que le ban me semble un peu précipité s'il n'y a pas eu d'avertissement avant, la faute n'étant pas non plus si grave, mais je ne connais pas non plus tout le détail et tu as peut-être été prévenu de ce que ces choses étaient interdites ici ? Je ne sais pas.
Mais je suis prêt à entendre ton plaidoyer.

Fils de charretier. Que veux-tu. On ne se refait pas. Mais pour être tout à fait juste, toi tu n'as pas l'air de savoir admettre quand tu as tort.
Un petit indice parce que je suis gentil : ignorer l'existence de son ennemi ne l'a jamais fait disparaître.

Ouais non, moi non plus j'aime pas le terrorisme mais par contre je n'ai pas l'impression qu'en banissant Abou d'un forum je vais régler le problème.

Bisous.

Ouais c'est vrai qu'il est un peu chiant, en fait, ce type. Je t'aimais mieux quand tu t'étais ramené avec ton avatar "we fuck goats". Là au moins t'étais drôle.

There's that video where a guy walks in N-Y's streets with a suit made of money but I can say that I've ever heard about a women wearing bitcoin.

patrickus, ce forum ne va visiblement pas t'aider dans ta quète pour éradiquer le malheur du monde mais avec un peu de connaissances en informatique, tu peux obtenir beaucoup de données au sujet d'Abou si tu veux. Sinon tu peux aussi créer un parti politique qui aurait pour but de partir en guerre contre Daesh (remarque que c'est déjà fait et que ća a pas l'air de marcher des masses). Je suis sûr que beaucoup de monde votera pour toi, cela dit.

I'm wondering if you people who think that the future of bitcoin lies in Europe are European or not?
As a European I can tell you I seriously doubt that Western Europe (and especially France) is going to play a leading role in allowing bitcoin to get broadly recognized. The people in these countries will only accept bitcoin when it is already widely recognized... or when Euro krashes if it does (and even then, I think they'd even be afraid to buy gold, no need to talk about bitcoins).

Reasons are that the EU already has fast and cheap bank-related payment methods. Mentalities play a big role too. Old Europe is traditionalist and afraid of change. Look at Greece. Even now, with their present disastrous situation. Is there even a single Greek on this board, interested in bitcoin, in the first place?

Here is what I could gather from my own thoughs and other comments in this topic :
In blue: what is inherent to bitcoin.
In green: what has to do with the present situation and can (will) change in the future.

Pros:
- decentralization allows people to free themselves from the traditional banking system as well as governments.
- price fluctuation makes traders happy.
- cheap transactions make everyone happy (at least outside of EU, because inside it's already cheap with traditional banks).
- bitcoin can provide acceptable degrees of anonymity (from 0 to almost complete, depending on how you use it).
- enormous potential with limited risks for investment.
- after bitcoin gets broadly accepted by the people and it's price stabilizes, it will offer high levels of reliability in case of economic krash.

Cons:
- price fluctuation frightens average merchants (this will get better as bitcoin gets more and more broadly accepted).
- requires some learning time.
- implies stress, as you are your own bank, which can be very stressful if you're not tech-savvy
- slow confirmations.
- the anonymity is a double-edged sword that makes life easy for black markets (as well as terrorist groups).
- we are still in bitcoin's early days and no one could tell for sure that's it's not going to krash if people lose faith in it.
- the economic model of bitcoin is a deflationary one and can't ever be modified but there's no consensus amidst econmists as to whether this system is practicable in the long run.

Cons seem to be more numerous then pros but they are, for the most part, of lesser importance too (slow transactions and learning time are no big deal), at least as the situation is now (let our descendants worry about what future economic models will be).

Que l'on pense que Satoshi puisse faire ça ou non n'est pas la questions. La question c'est de savoir ce qu'il se passerait s'il le faisait.
Je pense aussi, comme toi, que Satoshi ne fera normalement pas une chose pareille (mais excuse-moi, je suis un agnostique, je ne dis jamais "jamais").

En fait je dois dire que personnellement, dépendant de la situation, je pourrais bien me lever au moment de ce gros krash pour venir racheter un peu de ce sang dans la rue. En fait si Satoshi revendait tout ses bitcoins et que Bitcoin y survivait, ça augmenterait l'égalité des chances vu que ça provoquerait une deuxième vague de prix extrêmement bas. Si tout le monde achète malgré le départ de Satoshi, alors bitcoin sera encore une fois de plus devenu plus fort, et il remontera vite à des niveaux normaux, voire plus élevés.

C'est une épée de Damoclès à double-tranchant en fait : soit ça tue bitcoin soit ça le rend plus fort.

Des acheteurs oui, mais à quel prix ? Et quid des gros titres dans les journaux "Satoshi perd confiance en bitcoin et revend toutes ses économies pour des dollars US" ? D'un coup le bitcoin tombe à 10$ (et je suis gentil) parce que le mec aura dumpé d'un coup pas loin de 10% du stock total de bitcoins existants et puis les journaux publient ce genre de papiers ? C'est le krash mec. Tout le monde se barre. Il ne reste plus que du sang dans la rue.

Being in the 1% club doesn't mean that you own 1% of all the bitcoins that are out there. It's about being in the 1% people in the world who own the most bitcoins.
In the most extreme case it can even be done by just having 1 satoshi if the rest of the bitcoins belong to only one person. In that case you would even be in a much more restricted club since only two people own bitcoins: you and an extremely wealthy guy. You'd be in the 2/7000000000 club (7000000000 being an estimation of the world's population as of now). That's the 2.857142857142857*10e-8% club. Very restricted indeed.

I don't know what sources calkob used to claim that having 21BTC would make you a member of the 1% club, though. As far as I know it could be less, or it could be more. But it definitely doesn't share that close a connection with what share you actually own.

As for the subject of the topic, calkob already answered the question: bitcoin confirmation time will never get faster.

S"il vend tout en même temps et que la nouvelle se sait, ça va créer du remous. Et pas du bon.

Il y a cette quote de Gandhi qui apparaissait partout sur le forum chaque fois qu'on parlait de Forbes, Wallstreet etc : "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win". Se pourrait-il qu'ils décident de ne pas combattre ?

Ça me semble très positif, en tout cas, ça. Ça pourrait booster la reconnaissance du bitcoin (et son prix) à des niveaux et des vitesses assez importantes.

My thoughts exactly. Historically speaking innovations usually happened after one or a few pioneers designed something new. Then a latency phase happened and then it was the boom that made it broadly accepted and used.
If we are in the latency phase before the boom, then yes we are still early adopters and early miners should be called pioneers. But if we aren't early adopters anymore, then it means that the boom has already happened (and failed) and that bitcoin is a failure too, which I hope is not your expectation, people. Of course there was the big krash at the beginning of 2014 but bitcoin survived it, and it even helped bitcoin become stronger. Only thing it did was to delay its success (provided it is indeed destined to succeed).

As for me I'm very optimistic as to the future of bitcoin but one shouldn't be in too much of a hurry: if the boom is to happen quickly when it happens, it doesn't mean that it has to happen tomorrow or even in the next ten years. Not being in a hurry is the key.

Satoshi is not an early adopter btw, but an inventor, or at least a creator. I just wanted to say it right now before we get pages and pages of people claiming that Satoshi is "the only early adopter" (which is bound to happen anyway but yeah, anyway...).

Well like I said before I've only discovered about bitcoin last month during the last peak but I always try to talk about it whenever I get an occasion. Most people are sceptical though.

Écoute surtout Abou Talha, en tout cas. Il a tellement toujours raison que même quand il a tort il retourne sa veste histoire d'avoir raison à nouveau.

Tu peux revendre un peu maintenant et attendre de voir ce qu'il va se passer par la suite ?

@quentincole32: It never was really clear but anyway the news was largely broadcasted all over the most prominent media in Taiwan. That's what matters, imo.

But anyway, the guy (Zeng Mingzong) allegedly merely repetead what was already known and was already law in Taiwan, i.e. bitcoin doesn't have any legal status (so what): http://www.cbc.gov.tw/ct.asp?xItem=43531&ctNode=302 (I'll let you copy paste it in any internet translation service). And yes, this is the Central Bank of The ROC website so this is official stuff there. It was posted on 2013/12/30. Anyway, bitcoin not being legal stricto sensu in any country shouldn't surprise anyone, should it? Then you add the traditional traditionalism of Taiwanese politics on top and you have it: they apparently couldn't make it illegal (?) but they emphasize that it's not backed off by the government either (and yes, "so what", but you lot reacted didn't you? So did Taiwanese people, and that, my good sirs, is the bad news).

Thanks but I'm not Senior yet, only Junior.

That said I wouldn't mind being paid a Senior's rate, really 

Taiwanese government is already failing bigtime at successfully taxing the people right now. But yeah who knows.

I call traditionalism as the reason why the government (and the people) are sceptical about bitcoin and sensationalism as the reason why media circles made the news about it becoming illegal that big.

This decision  is already history, people. The government has already backed off. It was all absurd news relayed by absurd media.
That was Thailand. But thank you for spreading false rumors about Taiwan anyway :-/