I really like your work. I hope that you will be find a way to raise enough funds for your machine. If you want to try your luck, you could potentially win 0,00155 BTC here, but it's totally random, and not a big amount.

Keep us updated and good luck!

Ouais c'est très logique ce que tu dis, mais ça reste vraiment du cas par cas.

Si ton électricité est super abordable ça peut en valoir la peine. La maintenance est pas folle une fois le tout bien mis en place, j'ai des Antminer que ont un uptime de 7 mois sans aucune interruption, donc si l'équipement est potable ça va.

Pour le risque d'incendie par contre tu as raison. Dans de mauvaises conditions ça devient rapidement dangereux. Le risque est quasi inexistant si tu as un réseau électrique propre et pas trop vieux, que tu en connais ses capacités, et que tu comprends ce que tu fais. Personne ne devrait acheter de PSU premier prix Aliexpress en connaissance de cause par exemple. De même, si le volume de ta pièce et la circulation de l'air sont appropriés au refroidissement de ta PSU et de ton ASIC, normalement le risque est inexistant.

Pour les histoire d'assurance, ça se gère, c'est après tout que des serveurs. Ils sont pas obligés de savoir que tu te chauffes avec non au pire des cas ?  Par contre ça devrait pas durer, j'imagine que si MICA passe et que le POW est plus autorisé, ça va devenir un poil plus difficile niveau assurance ?

Là où je veux en venir, c'est qu'acheter exprès des ASICs pour se chauffer, c'est peut être que de la perte, surtout si tu n'en as jamais eu avant. Par contre, si tu en as qui trainent, et que tu sais déjà comment les utiliser dans de bonnes conditions, ça serait d'après moi presque dommage de pas le faire. (D'ailleurs même si tu t'en fous de récupérer des satoshis en échange de l'électricité, tu mines en solo et tu as un ticket de loterie toutes les 10 minutes. )

Nope it appears when you submit your first share

Is your BTC address right ?
What do you have in cgminer or in your ASIC logs ? Pool is up and connected ?

Oh j'ai delete mon message comme un idiot.

Je me demandais juste, pourquoi payer des ETH testnet ? Qu'ont-ils de si magiques ? Je comprends pas parce que les fees sont chères certes, mais les faucets devraient largement couvrir de quoi faire des transactions test non ?

En tout cas merci pour le lien, je vais voir si je retrouve mes Goerli

Bah comme tu le dis, tu produis de la chaleur, et dans tous les cas, même avec BTC à 1k tu gagneras toujours plus que rien. Hors électricité, le coût le plus violent serait l'usure hardware. (dans la mesure où en achetant des ASICs tu n'as pas déjà d'autre solution de chauffage déjà payée chez toi)
Les S9 sont d'excellents choix pour se chauffer, si tu prends des S9i ou S9j (surtout n'achète jamais de S9k!), tu peux très facilement changer de firmware et les rendre un peu plus silencieux sans trop baisser le hashrate, et donc la consommation (et forcément la chaleur). Actuellement ils ne coûtent rien, les hashboards de remplacement non plus, et les alim de type APW3++ sont faciles à trouver et vraiment pas chères depuis quelques temps. En général c'est dans la famille des S9 que le rapport USD /  Th/s est le plus intéressant.
L'ASIC ultime pour se chauffer c'est le Antminer R4. Il est silencieux, et a été conçu pour du home mining. Il a un ventilo particulier et je confirme, les miens sont vraiment super silencieux. Le seul bruit réellement chiant c'est celui de l'alim mais ça se gère. Je consomme 900watt heure pour 10.3 Th/s en ayant mis Braiinos comme FW. Je mine uniquement BTC solo maintenant, j'ai quelques centaines de Th/s donc peu de probabilités que ça solve un block mais ça chauffe la casa, les machines sont payées et je suis en solaire depuis peu.

Les S19 sont géniaux mais très chers, et très très très bruyant... Une hashboard qui lache et c'est la dépre$$ion... Hors de question d'en avoir dans la maison, le bruit me rendrait fou

Pour la comparaison gaz / pompe à chaleur en effet ça dépend de l'endroit ou tu habites je pense, dur à faire comme ça malheureusement..

Quand j'étais vers Sofia, je me chauffais partiellement avec des S9 et des L3+. Le kw/h était à 0,012 euros (nuit) après conversion / 0.033 euros (jour)
Je payais plus ou moins la même chose que si j'allumais mon chauffage au gaz à la fin du mois.
Mais quitte à payer, je préférais miner en solo et avoir des tickets de lotterie avec les L3+ et miner en PPLNS avec les ASICs sha256.

Si tu veux rechercher un avis particulièrement efficace et cartésien sur le sujet du chauffage par ASICs, je sais que Philipma1957 en parle généralement avec beaucoup de justesse. Il a vraiment essayé plein de combos alim / ASIC pour trouver les solutions qui chauffent de manière stable et avec moins de bruit

I think Op is scammed by : https://centralmargins.com/

We can find dozen of reviews looking like this :



They are not licensed or regulated :


Sorry Op but it doesn't smell good..

Yeah that's not surprising. They have the perfect capabilities to organize very large scale mining. The climate is quite cooperative compared to the need for ASICs in terms of temperature, and above all, the electricity is really cheap.
I had wondered during the mining problems in Kazakhstan if iall the ASICs were going to end mining in Russia or not at this time.

I am really curious to see what consequences the changes in American law will have on the taxation of mining etc.. I wonder where all these ASICs are going to be hosted if things are not going well in the USA, Russia seems pretty good bet, but in some North Africa nations it's starting to open up on the mining issue and they have unbeatable power rates. I think that when the infrastructure will allows it, they will emerge

I agree with a lot of the messages that have been written in this topic.
Any form of investment involves risk. Risk/reward projections when investing in a project are vital.

I think BTC is risky, but the risk inherent in holding Bitcoin is proportional to the chance that you can get in early enough.
I believe it is likely that in 20 or 30 years buying and holding Bitcoin will become less risky than it is today. However, if this is the case, you can bet that the value of BTC will be higher.
After all, this is just my point of view, we all agree that no one can predict the future of BTC or its future value...

From a personal point of view, I prefer to risk my money by buying BTC, than to go and try my luck too often at the casino. I have much more faith in BTC's ability to be profitable on a long term basis. So I consider myself a moderate risk taker

Je t'avoue que je ne sais pas d'un point de vue commercial quoi te suggérer. Perso, je pense que le fait d'avoir BTC et ETH va donner confiance aux premiers utilisateurs, ils ne risquent pas de se dire qu'ils vont accumuler un coin qui risque de se faire dump par le créateur. À partir du moment où les users ont le choix, je ne vois pas le problème de proposer du cashback avec un token Ctravel ou autre, je pense que la seule vraie erreur serait de l'imposer comme unique possibilité.


Ouais, je suis pas spécialement anti régulation en général, je pense que ça apportera du bon sur le long terme, mais c'est sur que selon la fiscalité de ton pays, les CEX peuvent vite devenir source d'angoisse si tu ne veux pas payer des taxes dans les règles de l'art.. 

I find the article from Binance Academy pretty efficient to give a good definition of dusting attacks :


They are not inherently dangerous regarding your funds, but can lead to losses if used as a subset of a long-prepared attack.

Dusting attacks make it easy to track your activity, and can be used as a "tracking device" to then attempt to infect your equipment with more dangerous attacks such as ransomware, cryptojacking etc.

I have the feeling that the BTC network has become too expensive for dusting attacks, but it is very common on BEP20 for example.

The best thing to do is to ignore them IMO

Yes, BTC seems to be inclunded, I just went on the website to check it :



Otherwise, @OP, your site is clean and goes straight to the point. It was not unpleasant to browse it. Pretty efficient interface, nice

I haven't taken the time to test it, but the fees seem honest for the ETH/BTC pair at least.
0.57 %

I just have two questions for you:

- do you have any sort of proof of reserve? I mean, why should we trust you ? the site is fresh and wouldn't be the first scam
- do you plan to offer a .onion url? This would allow to reach a much larger clientele, would be a real service to the community, and is not particularly difficult to set up

Je ne savais pas que tu étais francophone, j'avais répondu à ton topic dans "Project Development" au sujet de locations long-terme et de l'utilisation de LN !
Super cool que tu aies considéré et intégré ces points aussi !

Je claque une fortune en logement temporaire pour les voyages, le travail etc.. Je serais bien heureux d'avoir du cashback en BTC ou ETH sur ces dépenses. Les cashbacks des cartes cryptos type Binance me chauffent pas du tout, je tente de pas trop utiliser de CEX au quotidien.

Quand tu seras prêt, je serai chaud de tester ton appli/site, que ça soit en tant que loueur ou locataire!

List updated !

40 participants for now 

When it comes to real estate and Bitcoin, I'm always interested in discovering new projects and ideas.

Can you tell us a little bit more about the way people will finance themselves their projects ?

Do you already have an online website that we could see?
I would be interesed to check it and to read your whitepaper if it is already done.

Will followup your topic, have a great day!

Yeah exactly, I was going to write the same thing. When will there be an article mentioning a noisy trial about it? That's a godsend for him!  

I had no idea that the whitepaper was hidden in Macos. If I understand correctly, it was an employee who did this a few years ago, and it was never corrected?
If so, we shouldn't jump to conclusions about Apple's hypothetical possession of Bitcoin, this may just be an Easteregg of an employee close to resignation. (Although personally I am convinced that every personality who own large amounts of money and a minimal knowledge of Bitcoin, has at least a little bit of it )

In any case it's really nice, that makes a huge number of copies of the paper in circulation, even offline.
I'm not an Apple user personally, but I wonder if there is also this in IOS ?  Who knows, maybe some tablets and phones also include the whitepaper

Yes, I also had a little trouble understanding that you were talking about the big CEX.

But the logic remains the same, you couldn't prevent anyone from holding Bitcoin in a wallet, whether it's your wallet, mine, or Binance's hot wallet, the very nature of Bitcoin leaves everyone free to dispose of their funds and coins as they wish.
If you have a problem with the volatility of Bitcoin, then it's best not to use it as cash. Personally, I see Bitcoin as a storage asset, and I would be outraged to know that a new protocol would allow wallets to be locked, funds to be frozen, funds to be redistributed. The same goes for FIAT / BTC exchanges, anyone is supposed to do what they want, when they want, and at the scale (volume) they want

I can't understand how you don't see the abuse of centralization in the solutions you propose regarding what you wrote in your first post.


Who cares ? How did they buy food with USD / EUR or any other currency in this case ?
How can you be 100% that the notes in your wallet were never used to buy "dirty" things ?
Who knows ? Maybe my 100 usd note was previously used to pay for some drugs before I own it. To be honest, I wouldn't care about it, but I am still interested to know how FIAT can be considered safer than BTC regarding the sentences I quoted.

Yeah hopefully the bank won't win for this first round !

I hope that we will find others members who like to gamble a little bit soon !

If in some weeks we are not full, I will probably take a second ticket but I think it's better to wait a little bit

Have a nice day!

0.746282560 G of work done already.

So with the current difficulty of 46.84T (which will probably increase during the next diff adjustment in around 10 hours):

46.84T = 46840G

So you have an idea of how much work you have to do if you want to mine a BTC block with an average 100% luck.

I'm glad to read your story OP, it's always very nice to see some Bitcoin users which are handling transactions on a daily basis.

It could be very interesting to have more details, I mean, to know in which area of the world you are located. I am always very curious to know more about places which accept BTC for daily transactions (if it is your situation of course).

But I'm surprised that you did mention the fees : it is pretty rare to have bank transfer fees more expensive than BTC network ones, especially since Ordinals.
Could you explain what you mean ? Are you talking of the cost of a credit card or transfer fees when you talk about bank fees ?



I agree with your point but with bitcoin : no chargeback/double-spend possible (once transaction has at least 1 confirmation on the blockchain), no possible way to pretend you didn't received the transaction and the fact to see the wallet's balance of some companies could act as a guarantee of creditworthiness from a customer perspective and could help to take better decisions when doing a business with an unknown company.
It depends of cases, but it is really possible to find useful applications of a public ledger regarding security and trustness.

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Glad to start this new week with Mixero !